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BlackBerry 10 Unveiled

arcite writes "Research in Motion Ltd's new CEO, Thorsten Heins, unveiled BlackBerry 10 in Florida today. Will new features such as a virtual keyboard that learns from typing behavior and a camera that easily focuses on faces be enough to scrape back precious market share (which could possibly fall to 5%) from the likes of Apple and Android? With no physical device yet revealed and a release date ranging anywhere from August to October, it will be an uphill battle." Engadget had some brief hands-on time with a dev Alpha. It seems RIM is trying to jumpstart app development through its App Generator and financial incentives.

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  1. in other news, Philco has a new audio tube. by swschrad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and the all-new 2013 Tucker will run on air.

    RIM is out in the garden at this point with all the other vegetables, and you can write your investment off.

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    1. Re:in other news, Philco has a new audio tube. by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm thinking of cashing out my bitcoins to buy RIM stock, RIM seems like a good bet.

  2. Shouldn't shareholders demand an asset auction... by swb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...and wind down of the company while it is still somewhat profitable? i.e., before management does all those desperate things they like to do at the end, like pay themselves huge retention bonuses and blow metric assloads of money on hail-mary projects metaphysically certain to fail, all of which buries the company in debt that will cause shareholders to receive nothing from the bankruptcy certain to result.

  3. BB is a business phone by Alworx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    BB is a business phone, I think any attempt to make it more of a toy can only make matters worse.

    Apple and Android are very tough competitors, no point aiming at ousting them.

    Business people (if they exist, of course) need a phone which performs the usual basic office tasks, can be used a whole day without the battery dying and easily ties in to the corporate communications suite.

    1. Re:BB is a business phone by BagOBones · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You must have missed all the news about users opting out of outdated business devices to purchase their own devices and how business is are going nuts over bring your own device initiatives thinking it saves them money.

      Also the latest RIM devices are no-longer monochrome devices that last days on a charge, their touch screen units are barely on part with others in the market for battery life.

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    2. Re:BB is a business phone by CharmElCheikh · · Score: 2

      Amen to that. I don't care whether or not my smartphone has Angry Birds, but I care that I can quickly browse my inbox and answer a few emails, reply to meeting invites and proof read documents without having to wonder when the heck will I have one hour near a power socket to charge it.

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    3. Re:BB is a business phone by jimicus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Both the iPhone and Android can just as easily be integrated into an existing business environment.

      Both can be forced to follow corporate policies.

      Both can be remotely wiped if lost or stolen.

      Both can connect to Exchange - and I mean a full connection, syncing email, calendar and contacts - without having to buy extra software or hardware (which for years was a pre-requisite to get the best out of Blackberries; I don't know if it still is).

      Essentially, RIM's unique selling points were on borrowed time the day ActiveSync was made available for licensing. The only amazing thing is the length of time it took for any handset developer to actually integrate it properly.

    4. Re:BB is a business phone by Foolhardly · · Score: 2

      Having supported BB business users before and during a transition to iPhones, I can say that in most cases a user's satisfaction with BB was inversely proportional to their exposure to Android/iOS. In short, BB users may simply not know any better.

    5. Re:BB is a business phone by war4peace · · Score: 2

      but what kind of idiot wants to carry around two phones?

      Me, for example.
      I don't mix business life with personal life, and when I'm off duty, I shut down my business phone but am still available to family through my personal phone. It helps.

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    6. Re:BB is a business phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      but what kind of idiot wants to carry around two phones?

      The kind of idiot who thinks that his cell phone that he pays for is none of his employer's business. The kind of idiot who doesn't want his phone ringing every 5 minutes while on vacation. Or, and here's one the BYOD freaks probably haven't thought of: the kind of idiot who, when he leaves an employer doesn't want calls from people who don't know he left or salespeople doing their surveys or cold calls or whatever they think helps that never does.

      Besides, iPhones are useless for typing large messages without an external keyboard and even most Androids that have physical keyboards are just not as easy to deal with for business messaging as a Blackberry.

      So sayeth somebody who loves his Android and would never personally own a Blackberry in the current form, but who would miss it greatly when it comes to getting work done.

    7. Re:BB is a business phone by initialE · · Score: 2

      You know, remote wipe isn't really a working solution. I've never had a remote wipe that worked successfully.
      Why? because remote wipe requires connectivity, whereas a stolen device is guaranteed to be switched off and the sim card removed immediately. Then you would have to count on connecting to a wireless network. Without user intervention.

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    8. Re:BB is a business phone by jimicus · · Score: 2

      Not sure about Android, but for the iPhone Configuration Utility lets you:

        - Disable installing apps.
        - Disable the use of the camera.
        - Disable FaceTime.
        - Disable screen capture.
        - Disable automatic sync while roaming.
        - Disable Siri.
        - Disable in-app purchasing.
        - Force the user to enter an iTunes store password for all purchases.
        - Disable multiplayer gaming.
        - Disable adding Game Centre friends.
        - Disable YouTube.
        - Disable the iTunes Store.
        - Disable Safari.
        - Leave Safari enabled but disable autofill/fraud warning/javascript/popups/cookies
        - Disable iCloud backup, sync and photo screen.
        - Disable letting diagnostic data being sent to Apple.
        - Prevent the user from accepting untrusted TLS certificates.
        - Force encrypted backups.
        - Disallow explicit music & podcasts.
        - Set the maximum allowed rating for movies, TV shows and apps.
        - Preconfigure Wifi
        - Preconfigure VPN
        - Preconfigure email (IMAP, POP or Exchange)
        - Preconfigure CalDAV, CardDAV, subscribed calendars.
        - Preconfigure X.509 certificates.

  4. RIM is local to me. by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 2

    As such, I'd /really/ like to see them succeed. I watched them grow from a little company on Shoemaker Dr in Kitchener to the conglomerate they are now. They employ many of my friends.

    That said, I don't think they can. They've been waaaay behind the curve and resting on their laurels for a really long time now. And it's bit them in the ass.

    The Playbook is still a disaster. Their current phone offerings suck. And this device has ditched hardware keyboard, which was one of the things RIM really did right.

    Pass.

    1. Re:RIM is local to me. by narcc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Playbook is still a disaster.

      Have you used one? It blows everyone else out of the water. I've yet to see an Android or iOS user that wasn't completely shocked and amazed when they get a few minutes hands-on with the PlayBook.

    2. Re:RIM is local to me. by Lucky75 · · Score: 2

      The playbook CONCEPT is phenominal. The OS is outstanding and rock solid. The hardware really is sufficient, especially for a tablet that's over a year old. It was just as good as the ipad2 was in terms of specs.

      RIM's problem is that their SDK doesn't allow enough control over things yet. The native SDK essentially allows you to use openGL, and that's about it. There isn't any form of background processes yet or interaction amongst apps, and that's what is killing them. It's not just that app developers don't want to write apps, but that many of the apps that one wants to write (or port) cannot be done currently without rooting.

      I hope that they fix it for BB10, because the OS and interface actually is really nice. I don't need many apps, but I do need powerful apps, not just games or things that run in a card (i.e. a gtalk app would be nice). If they can accomplish this then IMO they'll have a solid device and will start to attract developers and then customers.

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    3. Re:RIM is local to me. by quacking+duck · · Score: 2

      Meet me.

      I won't rehash it, so here's my original review, with the disclaimer that the at time of evaluation the Playbook had only been out for a month, and I know it's improved greatly since then... but it took a YEAR for email, contacts and calendars to be added, not a few months like they said at first.

      But, you're talking about first impressions, and that was mine.

  5. Encouraging tourists who've tired of travel? by wanderfowl · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not unreasonable to say that at this point, most people who want smartphones and would be in their market have purchased one, and many are one or two years away from being able to by a Blackberry 10 device anyways.

    Many people have already become involved in a non-RIM ecosystem (iOS, WM, or Android), and ecosystem inertia is a huge factor. The sunk cost in buying the compliment of apps one wants or needs is huge, and makes people very reluctant to "try something new" for a phone. At best, I think RIM is competing to keep the people who use Blackberries now, and haven't yet moved to another system. Which is good, but not ultimately sustainable, and is aiming for reduced shrinkage rather than actual growth.

    They can lure developers, but all that that does it make it hurt less for users to switch to Blackberry (because they'll still never compete with Apple or Android in app variety). They could lure consumers with pricing, but for most people, any ecosystem switch has a $100+ app re-purchase penalty, not to mention the apps that simply can't be purchased at all and the time it would take to move over.

    Simply put, the only thing (I think) that can save RIM would be something revolutionary. Some feature, certification, approach, or situation that makes people say "You know what, screw the apps, screw the extra time and money, I want THAT, and I'll do what it takes to get it."

    I don't see that having happened here, sorry, RIM, but the writing's on the wall.

  6. Re:Shouldn't shareholders demand an asset auction. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You could have said the same thing to the Apple shareholder when Mr. Pepsi ran it to the ground.

  7. Really? by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I spent all day in a meeting in which I did all my necessary stuff with a BB phone and a bridged PlayBook. I am not a corporate drone; I'm a small company person who has to stay in contact with a number of people, watch my servers, and attempt to capture a load of customer requirements before I get back to the office and start redesigning the architecture and doling out the jobs. With a phone and an unobtrusive tablet I can do all of that without having the wall of a laptop screen in front of me. without needing a power socket. Since Nokia abandoned Maemo/Meego, BB is the only company that meets my needs in a well integrated way.

    The PB is not a disaster; it is the most business-friendly tablet out. That might change if Samsung does a really good job on ICS for the Note, but at this point they are behind RIM, even though they are ahead on consumer tablets.

    One key thing for Blackberry is that, if they go for a touchscreen keyboard, they must do it better than anybody else (or I will stay on my 9810 till it dies...) My belief, having seen the report, is that they get this. Six months ago I too had written them off. Now, I'm not nearly so sure.

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    1. Re:Really? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2

      The Playbook was a huge flop especially after their arrogant 'amateur hour is over' campaign. RIM had to take a $485 million write off due to the deep price cuts just to move units. And even with those price cuts it took nearly a year to supposedly sell 1 million.

  8. Re:Shouldn't shareholders demand an asset auction. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, no debt. Billions of cash on the books. A rapidly growing equity position. $500 milion in free cash flow each quarter. Prem Watsa on the board of directors (a very famous value investor the likes of Warren Buffett).

    So, you say that management is hoarding the cash to themselves. OK, show us hte SEC statments to prove this comment. Otherwise it is all misleading garbage.

  9. I'm a fan but they are STILL missing the boat. by XB-70 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    To regain market share, RIM needs a product that will:

    1. Be the BEST and most integrated social networking tool.

    2. Be a WALLET by leveraging their existing encryption infrastructure.

    Humans are social creatures. Making a product directly targeted at these two areas will be a winner. Humans are fed up with carrying around a ton of credit cards, bank card, coins and bills.

    RIM needs to get away from feature-itis and gimmicks. There are no legs to this approach. Leveraging the existing social and commercial ecosystem is the way to go.

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  10. Re:And nobody cares.... by Lehk228 · · Score: 2

    that was BIS traffic, BES goes through your corporate server, even RIM can't read it because they don't have the keys.

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  11. Re:Shouldn't shareholders demand an asset auction. by JMZero · · Score: 2

    The only reason they're selling a few million is because they used to be selling many millions. On their current course (which they seem to be accelerating on), they soon won't be a small player, they'll be non-existent. As the parent poster suggests, at that point the random shareholders lose everything and anything of value they've made will be lost. If they sell now, it means the random investors get something out, and the things of value they've created will be more likely to be preserved. It also means some executives have to swallow some pride and find a new job, so it won't happen.

    If products were made, marketed and sold locally, the distribution of wealth wouldn't be so skewed.

    For most of history, this was the case. Almost everything people used was made within a few mile radius (often by themselves). I don't think you want to live in "most of history". Tremendous specialization of labor and mass production are what created modern civilization, and neither of those ideas work without large distribution networks.

    Distribution of wealth is a growing problem because individual humans are worth less and less to the economy. The economy used to need more people for all sorts of things. Now it needs less. Eventually it will need very few. People will cling to capitalism long after it has ceased to be an effective way to distribute wealth.

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  12. Re:Shouldn't shareholders demand an asset auction. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    That is nice when you are talking about produce at the grocery store, but the "gotta have it" gizmos everyone is enamored with wouldn't exist in such a system. What did exist would offer significantly reduced utility at a much higher price.

    Exactly; the reason these electronic gizmos are so affordable is because they're made by a few players in enormous quantities for a global market. Smartphones made in small quantities and only sold in a certain region would cost millions, and simply wouldn't be made. The economies of scale that apply to hardware and software development don't apply to vegetables grown on a farm, so there's natural limits as to how cheaply you can grow and sell a cucumber, and larger agriculture companies end up cutting corners to get their prices down and yield up, by doing things like picking fruit way too early or spraying it with toxic chemicals so there's room for local growers to compete on quality (by accepting a lower yield and not spraying pesticides, or by leaving fruit on the plant longer since they don't have to ship it to another continent but only 100 miles).

  13. Re:And nobody cares.... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    "BIS", the service likely shoving email for consumer blackberries, is RIM-hosted, authenticated through a carrier-branded RIM system, and can be compromised with RIM's cooperation, since they run it. This is the one that various governments(India, UAE, probably a whole lot of others who are quieter about it) are leaning on RIM to have hosted domestically, so they can keep an eye on their little consumers and ensure that they aren't getting up to mischief.

    "BES", the historically pricey and complex enterprise offering, is hosted by the customer and wraps its tentacles around the customer's mailserver. Communications between the BES and the company blackberries do rely on RIM's network(which is how their mistakes can cause outages); but are encrypted at the BES with a secret that is generated at the customer site and not known to RIM.

    Newer blackberries, at least, can also manage at least rudimentary email connectivity on their own(POP/IMAP) which is yet a third distinct situation in security terms.

    The people who emphasize blackberry security usually mean 'in a BES context', along with the relative absence of trojans and bugged apps and whatnot, rather than the consumer version, which is about as secure from RIM as your webmail is from whoever is providing it...

  14. Rimm should pull a Nokia by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    RIMM needs to decide it can compete as a hardware maker against samsung and HTC. If they can, then they should switch to android (for the apps and open platform) and implement their own enterprise technoogy over it. They should further do like the Amazon Fire and pre-process web fetches not just for speed but also for security (e.g. maintain ssl, filter out phishing attacks and viruses, restrict access to corporate approved functions, disable features like cameras or recoring in restricted corprorate areas). They will thus become the premier value added corprorate android phone.

    If they can't compete against Samsung and HTC on hardware then they need to stay away from android. Windows 8 would be the logical choice and it is aligned with bussinesses. Their best route there would be to be the premier Intel based smart phone. Windows 8 is going to run better on intel and arm. Corporations will be able to port their proprietary windows platform codes to win8 on intel. And windows RT (arm) appears to be a disaster. So they could beat Nokia in the corporate smart phone area. Let nokia have the developing nations market. High margins for their enterprise system and a high barrier to entry for everyine else in that sector.

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    1. Re:Rimm should pull a Nokia by shmlco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Problem is, RIM thinks they're in the mobile phone business. They're not. They think they're in the handset business. They're not.

      They're in the communications business.

      The value behind the BlackBerry phone system is BlackBerry Messenger, not yet another new handset that in itself offers little over its competition. BBM, and the backend services, are what make the platform valuable. Without it, a BlackBerry is just a so-so phone with a decent keyboard.

      To survive, RIM needs to roll out a secure, cross-platform messaging system for use on existing smartphones and tablets. That's iOS. That's Android. And that's Window's Phone.

      See http://www.isights.org/2012/04/rim-would-prefer-to-license-blackberry-os-wrong.html

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    2. Re:Rimm should pull a Nokia by xaosflux · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The value behind RIM isn't BBM, it is BES. RIM does exchange integration very well, and that is from BES.

    3. Re:Rimm should pull a Nokia by Thunderbuck_YT · · Score: 2

      The QNX core should, in theory, provide better security and performance than Android. Android developers can port their apps over either as BB10 native code or as converted apk's, and have exposure to two different markets. Yesterday, a game developer demonstrated that they could recompile one of their iOS apps with minimal re-coding and had it running on BB10 in minutes. I know of at least one Android dev who claims to be getting much better sales with his Playbook app than he got with the original Android app he ported it from.

    4. Re:Rimm should pull a Nokia by davester666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly how is this an advantage to the end-user? It's hard to make a UI for a phone that enables the user to run lots of apps in a useful way, and RIM doesn't seem to have done so yet, even for their tablet.

      Just having something unique isn't particularly useful.

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  15. BlackBerry 10 by chinton · · Score: 3

    Is that the nickname for their user base?

  16. Re:Shouldn't shareholders demand an asset auction. by LordLucless · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People will cling to capitalism long after it has ceased to be an effective way to distribute wealth.

    Thing is, capitalism wasn't "designed" to distribute wealth. It was designed to promote productivity. The basic deal of capitalism is: produce more, get more wealth. It's a decent concept. Where it falls down, though, is when you're at the upper end of the capital curve. Then you get more wealth, not by producing more, but by already owning lots of wealth. The trait of capital to self-perpetuating in large amounts, and the capacity for capital to be passed down to people who haven't had to work for it are two properties that (IMO) undermine the system.

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