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Last Bastion For Climate Dissenters Crumbling

Layzej writes "The New York Times reports: 'For decades, a small group of scientific dissenters has been trying to shoot holes in the prevailing science of climate change, offering one reason after another why the outlook simply must be wrong.' Initially they claimed that weather stations exaggerated the warming trend. This was disproven by satellite data which shows a similar warming trend. Next, solar activity was blamed for much of the warming. This looked like a promising theory until the '80s, when solar output started to diverge from global temperatures. Now, climate contrarians are convinced that changes in cloud cover will largely mitigate the warming caused by increased CO2. The New York Times examines how even this last bastion for dissenters is crumbling. Over the past few years, Several papers have shown that rather than being a mitigating factor, changes in cloud cover due to warming may actually enhance further warming."

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  1. When I make Taco breathe hard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    It contributes to global warming.

    1. Re:When I make Taco breathe hard... by gottspeed · · Score: 0, Troll

      The planet has been heating up since the ice age. Other planets in the system are heating up too. If you want to think the sky is falling to play into some global scarcity tactic that's cool, but I'm going to keep driving my truck to work.

    2. Re:When I make Taco breathe hard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      There will never be a "Real fix" because the AGW movement is not about fixing anything. It is about group think and control. Scientists who can't see past their next grant from the feds and the activist who want to control everything from your back yard bbq to the car you drive and the size and location of your house (assuming the deign to allow us to live in a single family dwelling).

      The peer review process for Climate is broken. Views other than the prevailing views are censored and relegated to blogs. If Climate gate told us anything, it's that the fix is in when it comes to publishing anything in the realm of climate. Closed minds doesn't begin to describe the state of the Climate studies community.

      And seriously? The New York Times? The Warmist relay on some hack journalist from the most liberal paper in the nation? The fact that they are a journalist shows they are exceedingly stupid to start with (admit it, you remember those people who ended up in the Journalism or Communication program when you went to college). Throw in some leftist ideological slant and you have a situation not unlike Soviet Union Science which as a matter of doctrine denied plate tectonics.

      Yeah...last bastion my ass. People aren't stupid and the people are recognizing that this whole thing is nothing but a power grab.

    3. Re:When I make Taco breathe hard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      So everything you read in the NY times is true and not on FOX news? This site is full of idiots and kids. This global warming is a new religion and no different than the idea of creationism.

      If most people believe this is real then stop using electricity and posting, put up or shut up and let the rest of us live in civilization. You pay your carbon tax (taxing the air you idiots breath) and leave the rest of us a lone.

      If you disagree it always comes down to name calling on here, yep that's science. All you have to do is read ALL of the literature to know GW is a fraud and a money grab. Go back to the 70's and read it, not just the NY times. Like Penn and Teller say about reading the bible to know its fake, same idea.

      This is more anti-corporation garbage that this site just loves.

    4. Re:When I make Taco breathe hard... by Higgins_Boson · · Score: -1, Troll

      Nothing of what I believe is based in religion, as I am Atheist. You can toss all of the data at me that you wish to toss. It won't change the fact that I believe the changes are natural and have happened previously and will happen again (as they are now). The planet warmed, cooled, warmed and then cooled again WELL before people even existed in the way they exist now; industrialized.

      Unless, of course, you think ancient aliens came down and polluted our skies to further their anti-gravitational-gyrotomoton-imploding-geekazoid-magento-speherical-CO2 generators. We all know those tend to get like 40 rods to the hogshead and run on nothing but a mixture of coal and unicorn farts, so they must have contributed to the smog clouds over Los Angeles. Right?

      As for geekoid:
      It's because I am able to realize the fact that people aren't as big and bad as they think they are. People have done nothing but convince themselves of their greatness over the centuries, and now that feeling of greatness is leading them to believe that they can change the entire planet by spewing out a bit more CO2 than is normally put out naturally.

      So other than believing what you are being told to believe, what causes people like you to accept these "facts" with discarded data? Religion? Stupidity? Ego? I am betting on a good combination of the last two in that line of suggestions. Your ego makes you think you can change an entire planet when you are but a small part of the whole, and stupidity allows you to continue believing that you are greater than that whole and, thus, can break the whole damn thing.

      See? I can sound civil AND insult you at the same time... just as you did to me.

      In any case, you can be sheep and follow your dear leaders. I will take my chances with this climate change having natural causes. My opinion, which I stated as not meaning much already, does not break the system or the study of it. Just as you believing in it doesn't make it any more true.

  2. Alternatives by salparadyse · · Score: -1, Troll

    Get yourselves over to www.weatheraction.com and learn.

    They have an 80% accuracy record for long term forecasts. They understand what drives the climate on earth and it ain't CO2.

  3. Re:The Republican 9 Step Global Warming Denial Pla by geekmux · · Score: 1, Troll

    1) There's no such thing as global warming. 2) There's global warming, but the scientists are exaggerating. It's not significant. 3) There's significant global warming, but man doesn't cause it. 4) Man does cause it, but it's not a net negative. 5) It is a net negative, but it's not economically possible to tackle it. 6) We need to tackle global warming, so make the poor pay for it. 7) Global warming is bad for business. Why did the Democrats not tackle it earlier? 8) ???? 9) Profit.

    When you finally realize that step #9 is the only one that matters here, you'll quickly realize that any and all steps taken before that is nothing more than FUD for a money grab, regardless of who is doing it or their political affiliation.

    And if you wish to see a master in action, look up "Al Gore". After all, he's the one who created this "market".

  4. Re:Last bastion by jellomizer · · Score: 0, Troll

    The real rubbing point now is that the extent of damage of Global Warming, had been over exaggerated by scientists. In order to scare people to abstain from using their cars, they showed their research and pushed 4 or 5 sigmas out in their statistics, and implied it as fact.

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  5. Re:Last bastion by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: -1, Troll

    You put way too much emphasis on Science and scientific discoveries for The West's cancer like attitude towards growth. Yes, Science, it's discoveries and technological applications have enabled the unchecked growth at an unsustainable rate, but Science, like a gun, is merely the tool.

    Western civilizations attitude towards Nature, natural resources and it's "Manifest Destiny" to conquer and control the natural world can be traced back to one very important book,

    The Bible.

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  6. Re:Last bastion by operagost · · Score: 0, Troll

    The problem is that while this may be the last scientific reason to think global climate change isn't happening or won't be a problem, what's really the last bastion is "la la la la I'm not listening! It's all a conspiracy!"

    No, it's not. That's just your straw man. And you wonder why people don't listen... AGW skeptics are being called names like "deniers".

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  7. Re:Last bastion by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: -1, Troll

    "The IPCC report includes references to serious research that explain what they would expect to see happen between now and 2100 if CO2 emissions were dropped to 0 today."

    The IPCC -- which, I should point out, after some revelations about its "science" and internal politics now has a credibility of near zero -- is not discussing the cost.

    What would the cost be of dropping emissions to 0 today? Or even to 20% of current levels? Go ahead, look it up. I'll wait.

    By proposing solutions without taking costs into account, you are doing nothing but pointless handwaving. You cannot be taken seriously.