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1Gbps Wireless Network Made With Red and Green Laser Pointers

MrSeb writes "Back in the olden days, when WiFi and Bluetooth were just a glimmer in the eye of IEEE, another short-range wireless communications technology ruled supreme: Infrared Data Association, or IrDA for short. IrDA was awful; early versions were only capable of kilobit-per-second speeds, and only over a distance of a few feet. Trying to get my laptop and mobile phone to link up via IrDA was, to date, one of the worst tech experiences I've ever had. There's a lot to be said for light-based communications, though. For a start, visible (and invisible) light has a frequency of between 400 and 800THz (800 and 375nm), which is unlicensed spectrum worldwide. Second, in cases where you really don't want radio interference, such as hospitals, airplanes, and other sensitive environments, visible light communication (VLC), or free-space optical communication, is really rather desirable. Now researchers at the National Taipei University of Technology in Taiwan have transmitted data using lasers — not high-powered, laboratory-dwelling lasers; handheld, AAA-battery laser pointers. A red and green laser pointer were used, each transmitting a stream of data at 500Mbps, which is then multiplexed at the receiver for a grand total of 1Gbps."

157 comments

  1. O RLY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    > visible (and invisible) light has a frequency of between 400 and 800THz (800 and 375nm), which is unlicensed spectrum worldwide.

    Well, that's good.

    1. Re:O RLY? by jamesh · · Score: 2

      > visible (and invisible) light has a frequency of between 400 and 800THz (800 and 375nm), which is unlicensed spectrum worldwide.

      Well, that's good.

      Cadbury has attempted an interesting approach to try and license some of that spectrum.

    2. Re:O RLY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do in New Zealand. I've seen purple signage around with a footnote (in white text) that reads something about a trademark and the colour purple.

  2. Is IrDA Korean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought IrDA was a famous Starcraft player...

    1. Re:Is IrDA Korean? by Anaerin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I believe you're thinking of IdrA

    2. Re:Is IrDA Korean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You must be a blast at parties.

    3. Re:Is IrDA Korean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, that's AriD

    4. Re:Is IrDA Korean? by Alioth · · Score: 1

      Well, a famous Starcraft ragequitter at least....

    5. Re:Is IrDA Korean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's right though, joke would've been as good if he spelled it right.

  3. Not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is old hat:
    http://www.airlinx.com/products.cfm/product/19-0-0.htm

    It's stuff you can just go buy in a shop, we've used it here for around 15 years to connect across a street to the other office. We have a laser interlink.

    1. Re:Not new by symbolset · · Score: 4, Informative

      And a screaming deal at only $28,000 for a pair.

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    2. Re:Not new by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Yup. The first time I saw a laser link across a highway between two buildings was in the 1980s. So this is 30 year old technology already.

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    3. Re:Not new by dark12222000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're missing the point. The summary clearly states that the interesting point here is that it was done with cheap 10$ laser pointers that you can buy from Amazon. Yes, this was old tech - if you were willing to shell out 15k for high end gear. The fact that it can be reproduced for a much lower price (maybe a few hundred at most by the time you get integrated units and pay for research?) and therefore more likely to see more widespread usage, is the point.

    4. Re:Not new by Ihmhi · · Score: 2

      1) Go to a rave with a laser light show.
      2) Run a bootleg wireless.
      3) ????
      4) PROFIT

    5. Re:Not new by julesh · · Score: 2

      The reason the available commercial equipment for this stuff is expensive has nothing to do with the quality of the laser, though (the site GP linked to specifies the laser in their entry level device as being a 7mW laser diode, so probably about 50% more powerful than the lasers used in the OP's article). The point is that it's expensive because the only application it's viable for is inter-building linkage, which *almost nobody wants to do*. You can't use it to replace ordinary wireless networks, because it's literally point-to-point: you have to stay stationary in a single pre-determined spot to receive a signal. The only real application is for large companies who have multiple buildings within line of sight of each other. This is a rather unusual situation. Thinking about organisations in my city, there are a couple of universities that could use it, and a hospital. Maybe a few schools. But then these guys can mostly just dig up the land between their buildings and lay cables, which will give higher capacity and more reliability (one of the universities has an issue because one of their buildings is separated from the rest by a public road... they might benefit from this).

    6. Re:Not new by khipu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure that if you got the price down to about $50, people would find a lot more uses for this, including sharing network connections with friends (in particular in rural areas), secure communications, and distributing access points. Not everybody lives in cities with otherwise excellent coverage.

    7. Re:Not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can think of more adhoc uses which are now impossible. Ever heard of QR codes? QR codes are basically a patch for connecting and redirecting a device to obtain information. You go to a museum and see a QR code, point your smartphone at it, that redirects you to a wikipedia page or maybe a website of the museum with information on what you are looking at. If instead you had high bandwidth optical transfer you would be able to directly upload to the device the text, images or videos you could think of. Ever been to a museum where you have hearing tour aids? Again, take out your smartphone, put it in front of the area which emits mp3 files and select your language. Now go around the museum hearing high quality mp3 file rather than the crappy/broken/dirty hardware they offer at museums. Oh, and of course, if that's HTML5 you could have the whole museum guide directly downloaded not only with hearing aid but also pictures and text references.

      There is just so many uses for people being able to download stuff directly on their portable devices, especially tourism. Like, you go to a foreign country and can download from outside the police buildings guides/helps in your language for what to do if you are robbed, seek help, etc. Again, if you think of "techology X" and you can only think of "application X", you deserve to die and leave space for more creative people.

    8. Re:Not new by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 4, Informative

      While the technology is old, the implementation seems to be new. Also, the form it has taken means that we are likely to see cheaper commercial solutions coming out or a whole bunch of hobbyists implementing this themselves - or both. $100 vs $4000+. I can just imagine mesh networks based on this.

      If these can be coupled with solar power and are of low energy use, then I can imagine these being alternative solutions to laying cables in remote areas.

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    9. Re:Not new by julesh · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that if you got the price down to about $50, people would find a lot more uses for this, including sharing network connections with friends (in particular in rural areas), secure communications, and distributing access points. Not everybody lives in cities with otherwise excellent coverage.

      I don't think it'd be useful for those applications. Reading TFA, this device has a useful range of approximately 10m, which is somewhat limiting. Even without this limit, houses in rural areas are unlikely to have undisturbed line of site. Birds will be a problem (current commercial systems solve this by using redundancy to allow routing around birds, I believe, which makes your $50 an unrealistic target price). To make these things work properly, they really need to be on top of tall buildings to ensure nothing comes between them. Security would be difficult to guarantee because (at least theoretically) you can intercept data that's refracted out of atmospheric moisture. Sure, you'd need a very sensitive receiver, but such things are possible. Again the line-of-sight thing is going to be a problem for distributed access points. And in the end, even if they are $50, you can achieve the same thing with a $20 802.11n access point and a $20 unidrectional antenna.

    10. Re:Not new by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2

      Even at $100 it may still be cheaper than digging up the ground and laying fibre optics in certain cases. I think what would really change things is if these were easily installable by someone who isn't a specialist.

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    11. Re:Not new by julesh · · Score: 1

      Using a laser transmitter would require the receiver to stand in exactly the right place, only one receiver could use the system at a time, and transfers would be interrupted by accidental movements. It would be too hard to use for anyone to actually want to use it.

      Either 802.11g/n or bluetooth could be used for the purposes you describe and would be much more convenient for everyone involved.

    12. Re:Not new by arth1 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that if you got the price down to about $50, people would find a lot more uses for this, including sharing network connections with friends (in particular in rural areas)

      People do that? I know they share wives and sisters with friends (in particular in rural areas), but bandwidth? C'mon. Pull the other one.

    13. Re:Not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Radio hams have been experimenting with point to point communication by light. It's been mountain-top to mountain-top so needs quite precise alignment. Also the data rates have been quite low - more voice. But the technique is quite old. We've known about modulating laser diodes for some time.

      A quick search reveals this site reporting a 104 mile link using LEDs. http://www.bluehaze.com.au/modlight/

    14. Re:Not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's cheaper than my speaker cables!

    15. Re:Not new by skids · · Score: 1

      For enterprise purposes, the equipment costs these days are lower than they used to be and still falling. Eventually, though, an "industrial quality" system of this type will hit a pointy where the hardware cost is inconsequential, because the actual cost of operating such a unit is really in the support contracts, unless you are big enough to have a trained FSO/RF specialist on staff and stock backup units. (Many of these FSO units these days are hybrid units that use microwave and FSO to provide technology redundancy, so when the rain takes out the microwave, the FSO picks up the load, and when the fog takes out the FSO, the microwave does the work.)

      As far as putting one in, depending on the situation the install cost will dwarf the actual equipment costs. It involves a lot of calculations like how much your building sways in the wind and where on the structure you can get away with mounting it, and then the aiming procedure.

    16. Re:Not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I looked at doing this with HeNe gas lasers a looong time ago. Data rates would have been miserable. Laser diodes improve the switching speed immensely over 2KV driven gas lasers (really need some kind of electronic (LCD) shutter to switch gas laser signals fast), but then laser diodes are more difficult to collimate for long distance (miles) transmission.

      To all the people who say "old tech, been done before..." the Indians did long distance optical communication before Columbus arrived, using smoke signals.

    17. Re:Not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What we really want to know is, "can it be mounted on a shark"?

    18. Re:Not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are already these cool, cheap things called "radios" that those people can use. They can be acquired in the sub $100 range, don't require precise tuning to make them work, and they don't get knocked offline by the first storm that turns them half a degree. Sure, they don't give you 1 Gbps, but if you're just looking to share your rural broadband, 30 Mbps is probably plenty.

    19. Re:Not new by skids · · Score: 1

      What you want will be provided by 802.11ad, which will essentially offer little WiFi bubbles with bluetooth-like range. The only thing lacking, in fact, to doing it over existing WiFi frequencies is some sort of widely-implemented standard for putting the SSID to join for these info blurts into the QR code.

    20. Re:Not new by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      But then these guys can mostly just dig up the land between their buildings and lay cables, which will give higher capacity and more reliability (one of the universities has an issue because one of their buildings is separated from the rest by a public road... they might benefit from this).

      You could spend $50 a lot of times vs digging up land between buildings and laying cables, so if capacity and reliability is a problem, just buy 10x for greater capacity and reliability, or even 100x would probably still be cheaper than digging and laying cables.

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    21. Re:Not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is old hat:
      http://www.airlinx.com/products.cfm/product/19-0-0.htm

      It's stuff you can just go buy in a shop, we've used it here for around 15 years to connect across a street to the other office. We have a laser interlink.

      Well, other than the fact that what you're using is like $20k or more, and what they used in the article will cost you about $50. Ok, maybe $60 when you figure in the cost of the AAA batteries.

    22. Re:Not new by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      If these can be coupled with solar power and are of low energy use, then I can imagine these being alternative solutions to laying cables in remote areas.

      Interesting idea. However, I don't think it would work well for that. You need line of sight and nothing between the transmitter and reciever.

      You mentioned mesh networks, I don't see why we couldn't make mesh networks with wi-fi.

      TFS said "Trying to get my laptop and mobile phone to link up via IrDA was, to date, one of the worst tech experiences I've ever had."

      That's the worst tech experience he had? Lucky bastard...

    23. Re:Not new by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      For mesh networks, we really need one of the former TV channels. Fat chance they let us do it; we could subvert the entire system they've built on the dark backend which they use to monitor everyone. A true Little Brother TV channel mesh network wouldn't need the internet backbones, not if it were cheap, easy, and used its own protocols. So it will be illegal. But, as I said elsewhere on the talkback, don't let that stop you.

    24. Re:Not new by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      If these can be coupled with solar power and are of low energy use, then I can imagine these being alternative solutions to laying cables in remote areas.

      The range is only 25 meters. it is much cheaper to lay 25 meters of cable and a repeater every few kilometers than a laser repeater every 25 meters. If a single repeater goes out the whole line is down. Basically one would have 40 failure points every kilometer. Say one is 10km from the nearest hard line that means 400 repeaters and 400 possible points of failure.

    25. Re:Not new by tkohler · · Score: 2
      30 Mbps in ~1970

      from the very entertaining: Birth of the Laser Printer

      "The problem is, the bits are all coming out a kilometer away, and the printer’s down here at the other end, so how do we get the data to this thing?

      So, we sat down one time and said, "So why don’t we make an optical link?" Because we looked at doing microwave, but those were only three megahertz, and you’ve got to get enough FCC permission to do that, even then. So the interesting thing is there are no communications regulations on through-the-air optical communications. As long as the beam power doesn’t destroy things. [Laughter] We built something called a SLOT POLOS , which is the PARC On-Line Office System, Jeanie certainly would probably remember that, so SLOT POLOS On-Line Optical Link. And how do you do this?

      Well, I went to my friends Edmund again -- I’ll get free catalogs for the rest of my life [laughter] -- and basically bought four astronomical telescopes. These are just simple Newtonian reflectors. And put two in a box at the 3180 building, on the roof, and two on the roof of Building 34. I put a photomultiplier at the focus of one, and a laser at the focus of the other, and we had a full-duplex optical link running at 30 megabits a second. We used helium-neon for two reasons. First of all, relatively inexpensive -- accousto-optic modulators to turn it on and off. And by using visible light, there was only one risk: fog was a bad thing, because you couldn’t see through fog. On the other hand, if you used infrared, you couldn’t go through rain but you could go through fog. So, made a back-of-the-envelope judgment that rain was probably going to be more prevalent than fog, and went with the visible. It was a good choice, because I think we were only down one day due to fog, in the one year that this system was up."

    26. Re:Not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's 25 meters with relatively low-powered lasers. Lasers with a visible range of a mile or more are available, and the cost is decreasing steadily.

    27. Re:Not new by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 2

      I can think of another use:
      Temporary in-room networking where security or bandwidth conjestion are a concern. I could envision a server room issue where you needed to understand what was happening at multiple points in your network that aren't normally tapped. You use something like a vampire tap and a raspberry pi to get copy off the data, analyze, and send back to something like splunk. However, rather than running temporary wires all over, instead send them by laser to the central monitor. Then when you're done, you can easily back out your taps.

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    28. Re:Not new by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      because everyone wants to go through the hassle of joining 150 different wifi networks while they are at a museum. That is where the laser idea makes sense. So you make a cradle 'touch your phone here to download this display's audio clip' You sandbox all the data that comes in from that port, and do away with cumbersome 'join this network?' notifications.

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    29. Re:Not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can just imagine mesh networks based on this.

      A mesh of lasers in a residential neighborhood.... what could possibly go wrong?

    30. Re:Not new by skids · · Score: 1

      A properly developed standard would set limits on what the wifi network could do, and thus allow the host OS to dispense with the "join this network" prompts.

  4. Great... Just Great... by TWX · · Score: 2

    Now I have another thing to implement for Bring Your Own Device...

    This does make me wonder, however, if we could see fiber optic gbics that don't cost thousands of dollars each if the technology that makes this free-air communication possible can be adapted to fiber optic applications.

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  5. Re:frist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Welcome to Slashdot

  6. Efficiency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    How does the Mbit/mW compare to a 802.11b/g/n pringles cantenna?
    Which can achieve further distance assuming LOS?

    1. Re:Efficiency? by julesh · · Score: 1

      802.11n uses 250mW transmit power to achieve 600Mbits = about 2.4mW/Mb
      A laser pointer typically uses about 5mW, so 2 of them will be about 10 mW, for 1Gbit = about 0.01mW/Mb.

      But then 802.11n is omnidirectional, whereas a laser is unidirectional, so this is really an apples to htcs comparison.

    2. Re:Efficiency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      802.11n is only omnidirectional if you use an omnidirectional antenna, it is directional if you use a directional antenna.

    3. Re:Efficiency? by jamesh · · Score: 1

      802.11n is only omnidirectional if you use an omnidirectional antenna, it is directional if you use a directional antenna.

      Do you have an omnidirectional antenna for your laser diode?

    4. Re:Efficiency? by MrAngryForNoReason · · Score: 3, Funny

      You mean like a disco ball?

    5. Re:Efficiency? by c0lo · · Score: 1

      But then 802.11n is omnidirectional, whereas a laser is unidirectional, so this is really an apples to htcs comparison.

      I think you're missing something from the GP post

      How does the Mbit/mW compare to a 802.11b/g/n pringles cantenna?

      A cantenna is essentially a wave-guide, making the transmission highly directional.

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  7. They did not demonstrate a "network" by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    They demonstrated one way data transmission over a very short distance, not a network.

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    1. Re:They did not demonstrate a "network" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, way to be pedantic. Seriously all they need to demo a network is more than 1 node operating like this.

      captcha: picayune
      wtf is that a pokeyman?

    2. Re:They did not demonstrate a "network" by million_monkeys · · Score: 0

      A picayune was a Spanish coin, worth half a real. Its name derives from the French picaillon, which is itself from the Provençal picaioun, meaning "small coin." By extension, picayune can mean "trivial" or "of little value." (from wikipedia)

    3. Re:They did not demonstrate a "network" by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1
  8. Wheres the "news" part? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Laser based FSO isn't exactly a new field.
    1Gbps data rate with a diode laser isn't that hard to achieve even with pretty simple drivers and 1-bit amplitude modulation.
    Neither is using wavelength multiplexing some revolutionary new idea.
    So... huh?

    1. Re:Wheres the "news" part? by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 2

      Cost?

    2. Re:Wheres the "news" part? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they did it with a $1 red toy from a checkout stand and a $10 green.

      $1 + $10 10* X * $1000

    3. Re:Wheres the "news" part? by julesh · · Score: 1

      OK, you try turning this into a viable commercial product at a lower cost than the competition. The problem is, this is a niche market because these things are really hard to find a suitable application for. You'll be setting up a manufacturing base and then selling maybe 1000 units per year, so you need to offset the cost of manufacturing, support staff, sales staff, development.... hence you'll be selling each unit for $1000 or more. Probably much more, because to make it useful you'll need precision manufacturing (alignment of multiple output beams so they don't diverge over a range of... well, current commercial systems vary between about 500m and 5km, so it won't be trivial). So, no, this isn't a significantly cheaper tech. It's the same tech using similar components that cost about the same (A typical currently available commercial system will use a diode like this one, which might cost 3 times as much as the ones in laser pointers, but it is also capable of 5 times the bandwidth). But it's optical frequency rather than IR, so the range per unit power will be lower, it'll be more disturbed by fog, and it needs multiplexing to reach reasonable data rates, so that will mean more expensive optics at the receiving end. Put this design in a commercial system and you'll see pretty quickly that it's as expensive as existing designs, if not more so.

    4. Re:Wheres the "news" part? by sveinb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, that's what I thought until I tried. Connected a laser pointer to a signal generator and measured its light output. As the frequency increased above about 1 MHz, the modulation level decreased to a non-usable level.

    5. Re:Wheres the "news" part? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's either the drive electronics or the lack of pre-bias affecting things. Laser diodes are pretty much as slow as LEDs in the subthreshold region, so you always want to keep them at at least 5-10% optical power.
      On a lab bench... use a bare diode, prebias to ~50% operating current via a simple series resistor from a 12VDC supply or thereabouts. inject output from sig gen via a coupling cap and a series resistor. adjust sig gen output swing so diode current is about 20-80% of operating current. With your average 2-3mW laser diode that should get you well < 5ns rise and fall times.
      Now the fun starts... building a optical receiver that's fast enough to measure the diode ;)

    6. Re:Wheres the "news" part? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm replying to the AC as I do work for an FSO (free space optics) company, in R&D, and as it happens to be, my project right now is to deliver a low-cost product.

      Firstly, you're right that FSO is a niche product. However, the markets that it hits, it's important because there are sometimes no other viable options. Fiber between two plants which a railroad separates; good luck getting permitting to do such a trench within a year or two. Our systems can be setup in hours. Crossing an interstate; no problem with fiber if you have crossings already to piggyback on or bridges. A definite problem if you don't.

      FSO is an expensive option compared to the WiFi based RF gear that's on the market, which for 9 out of 10 problems, is just fine for. However, when comparing FSO to higher end radio, millimeter wave products and such, FSO isn't all that much more expensive (and hopefully in the case of my product, cheaper). Millimeter wave radio has distances in the 2km range for high speeds, has rain attenuation problems, and can't go full speed much beyond that. Our current market FSO product is gigabit, can go about 1.6-2km, does full gigabit full duplex, and works fine in all but torrential rain, but has fog attenuation issues.

      There are a few differences I'd put to what you've posted above.

      1) You can use a multiple beam output method, but let me tell you, your problems are more than mechanical and optical alignment of the beams. That's the easy part. Signal replication with accuracy that's 1.25gbit or better is problematic. Going speeds beyond that is exponentially worse (our labs are running 2.5gbit/sec free space and we're working on 10gbit). The other method is to use a higher power, single laser directly modulated. You do lose some aspects dealing with single-mode lasers (which are pretty much it when it comes to high-power modulation-capable lasers) but there are ways I can't get into around that.

      2) The diode listed really isn't useful. It's 1.5mw of output. We work with multiple-beam systems at 5mw each, and my preferred system is a single-laser 42mw system, and these are at gigabit. I've worked with 300mw lasers at 125mbit that work fine. And, depending on which laser we're talking about, some of the lasers used are about 5 times the cost of the one listed.

      3) It's not only laser power but beam divergence that gets you. The above mentioned 802.11n based RF links work with a beam width of 15 degrees in a point-to-point manner. FSO systems I've worked with have varied between 0.8 to 14 milliradians (0.045 - 0.8 deg) beam divergence. Mount movement, scintillation, etc. all directly affect laser performance. Active alignment, tracking and power adjustment systems all can help this. Active tracking systems are even present in many millimeter wave RF gear too. Fog is the FSO killer much as Rain is the millimeter wave RF gear.

      4) Multiplexing can and does help. However, it's not required. The good part is that the optics to split the wavelengths is fairly well known and used and inexpensive. The data multiplexing is the big concern electronically; doable but kind of custom and there are some concerns. The other big help in higher speeds is Forward Error Correction. FEC is pretty common at 10gbit+, but it really helps at 1gbit as well.

      Commercial design of FSO system is expensive, and time consuming and complex. Trust me on this one. But it does have it's uses and when used/setup/installed properly can run for many years without interruption.

  9. 1Gbps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much is that in sharks per second?

    1. Re:1Gbps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      It's 1 megashark per giant octopus.

    2. Re:1Gbps by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      That's the default, aint it?
      Truth to be told: that's about half a shark and half an octopus. And, so it seems, one bad movie.

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  10. Re:Great... Just Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    if your short range fiber gbics cost thousands of dollars each, you're buying from the wrong vendor.
    Try $50

  11. I am still waiting for the day.. by davydagger · · Score: 1
    I am still waiting for the day we see QAM and QPSK and its variants with lightwaves like we do now for electrical and wireless connections.

    imagine 4 bits per cycle, then imagine 16 or 32 or some other power of 2. Then we can apply a sort of Frequency Division multiplexing with diffrent colored lights, so for a single strand of fiber times that by 4.

    Last year there was an article about thumb sized atomic clocks with the ACCURACY to potentially make this feasaible.

    Petabyte+ class single cable link anyone?

    Oh, and I remember how famously obnoxious IrDa was to use. a few feet? sheeeeeet, the devices had to be virtually touching and you needed software that supported the link. Might as well use a null modem, and cary the cable. Before the age of USB sticks, readily available residential grade ethernet products, etc, but AFTER the age where the 1.44mb floppy disk was relatively useful, transfering files between computers was a royal pain in the ass to begin with.

    1. Re:I am still waiting for the day.. by Amouth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the one thing IrDa worked great for was using my HP Jornada with my HP 2100 printer .. was also nice to use the Jornada to print on campus because while they had the pay per page on lpr prints all the printers had an exposed IR port that would just blindly print what was sent. It was also useful to use my iPaq as an A/V Remote control.

      what i never did understand is why it was a standard BUT placement and usable angle was never part of the standard.. I've got a 8525 that has it.. on the damn bottom of the phone... where it is completely useless.. and i remember a lot of laptops that put it on the side of the device and had no usable angle other than head on..

      it wasn't a bad spec for the time and the proposed use (a wireless serial connection) but the implementations left a good bit to be desired..

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    2. Re:I am still waiting for the day.. by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      I remember some of the guys in highschool had an application on their IrDA-enabled PDA's that let them use them as a TV remote. No TV in the school was safe :)

    3. Re:I am still waiting for the day.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We used to use the old casio watches that had a built-in remote - it was a bit more inconspicuous.

    4. Re:I am still waiting for the day.. by DavidD_CA · · Score: 2

      Your comment reminded me of my old laptop and cell phone, both which had IrDA.

      I never even thought about it, of course, until one day I set my cell phone down exactly line-of-sight to the laptop and both of the devices lit up and started talking to each other. The laptop even made a funny zap noise. Freaked me out.

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    5. Re:I am still waiting for the day.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what i never did understand is why it was a standard BUT placement and usable angle was never part of the standard.. I've got a 8525 that has it.. on the damn bottom of the phone... where it is completely useless.. and i remember a lot of laptops that put it on the side of the device and had no usable angle other than head on.

      You don't understand it? Look at how PCs are sold: As a set of specs. So, if you buy a PC, you buy a set of specs, not usability. PC vendors don't compete on usability. It is not unlike buying fruit: It looks good but doesn't taste great because people buy what looks good and taste at home. But you spent the money, so you eat it.

      Bert

    6. Re:I am still waiting for the day.. by rdebath · · Score: 1

      Except QAM and QPSK require a medium with a practically pure wave nature, pulse modulation of light is more a particle nature effect with the pluses of light consisting of numbers of individual photons each with their own specific frequency. The higher the data rate the fewer photons in each pulse.

      Optical frequency division multiplexing is even more a particulate effect where the prism or grating effectively sorts the photons into individual streams. Though or course the fact that it works at all is actually a wave effect which will go away if you try to measure which slit an individual photon goes through.

      I still think we'll get petabyte streams, but it won't be with QAM/QPSK.

      .

      IrDA! I don't think I've ever used that for real; I always had a laplink cable available. It's main problem IMO was that it was one of those 'bastardised by committee' standards (like the ISO seven layer cake) where they tried to make it fit with every special interest they could. This meant that unless your software was made by a member that specific group it probably wouldn't work because the standard was what they thought they would implement, not what they eventually did. Bluetooth is very much the same. OTOH WiFi, which is technically very similar to BlueTool interoperates very well, presumably because the standards people limited themselves to one task ... moving ethernet packets ... no packets moving == no WiFi logo.

    7. Re:I am still waiting for the day.. by james_van · · Score: 4, Funny

      Im reminded of my high school days- I had a laptop with irda (1998'ish) and the printer in our tech lab had irda as well. The printer had a print server attached that would queue up all the print jobs, but the irda port would take priority over anything in the queue. Our teacher had a vendetta against trees and would insist that we print everything, so about 5 minutes before class would end, everyone would start lining up at the printer. About 4 minutes before class would end, I would hit print on a 50-60 page Word doc and gloat to myself as everyone started freaking out. Yeah, i was a techno-douche.

    8. Re:I am still waiting for the day.. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      I had a laptop where it as on the front edge.. even worse than the side.

      I will say that irDa extended the life of an old HP printer i had, as the parallel port went belly up right after the warranty ran out , with the cost of a new formatter board being more than a new printer.

      But only had 1 laptop with ir, so it was a pita when i wanted to print.. And had to do it on the kitchen table so it would get aligned properly...

      But it was a great thing, before bluetooth came around.

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    9. Re:I am still waiting for the day.. by Amouth · · Score: 1

      Bluetooth is far more usable, except the lack of standard stacks.. the fact that they leave it to each manufacturer to implement each device profile in their stack as they see fit (ore more commonly not too) drives me nuts, It has gotten better as it has matured, but is something that should have never been allowed to happen.

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    10. Re:I am still waiting for the day.. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      AFTER the age where the 1.44mb floppy disk was relatively useful, transfering files between computers was a royal pain in the ass to begin with.

      Huh? I had two PCs running DOS networked with a pair of paralell cables and a crossover plug. It was slow, but not as slow as floppies.

      Ethernet was a wonderous joy when I finally got a couple of cards and a crossover cable.

    11. Re:I am still waiting for the day.. by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Meh, we used what we had. The cool thing about using the PDA's though was that they also had IrDA *in* so we only needed about 3 minutes with a teacher's remote to program an entire new set of codes into it.

    12. Re:I am still waiting for the day.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No girl wants to shove a disco ball in there.

  12. The REAL question... by emag · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok, the real question is... how does this apply to /.'s new BI focus? Can I use this instead of spreadsheets or specialized software to properly align my Business Intelligence with the synergies of the corporation for maximization of profitability?

    Ouch, that hurt...

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    1. Re:The REAL question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It uses two different types of laser at the same time, which is a metaphor for the new Slash-Bi.

      (Seriously, who the hell came up with that name.)

  13. Old news...they wear out by drwho · · Score: 3, Informative

    This was done years ago. I remember seeing the story, I think it was on gbppr. The problem is, these laser pointers aren't designed to be used constantly and they wear out.

    1. Re:Old news...they wear out by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Got a source on that? Laser diodes don't "wear out" as far as I am aware. They may be damaged by thermal runaway in the short term or long term by poor design but the only critical factors here is the stability of the current source, choice of bias point, and thermal design. They certainly don't get tired over time.

    2. Re:Old news...they wear out by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2

      The manual for my green laser pointer cautions you against using it constantly - I'm guessing the heatsink arrangements are not what they could be in there.

      The researchers probably took them apart and made sure they were properly cooled though.

    3. Re:Old news...they wear out by dbIII · · Score: 1

      The "done years ago" could apply to anything.
      I was using a homemade microwave data link in 1988 but the wireless and laser stuff now is still interesting.

    4. Re:Old news...they wear out by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I assume that laser diodes are no more fundamentally resistant to degradation over time than ordinary LEDs are. Not a huge problem(LEDs are usually specced to be something like 80% of original output after 100,000 hours); but solid state devices only look immortal compared to their mechanical counterparts.

    5. Re:Old news...they wear out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on laser type. Fabry-Perot lasers most certainly do "wear out" depending on use time and thermal characteristics of the enclosure. They'll slowly reduce power output. VCSELs will pretty much be bright as can be until they die, usually also thermally related.

      Modulating a laser at high data rates can and does stress the laser as well.

    6. Re:Old news...they wear out by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Indeed but you need to take take into consideration that 100000 hours is 11 years of continuous use. That will exceed the typical useful life of product such as this.

  14. radio lasers by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 1

    "A red and green laser pointer were used, each transmitting a stream of data at 500Mbps, which is then multiplexed at the receiver for a grand total of 1Gbps"

    That made me think of blue lasers, which would have even better rates.

    But, how about longer waves, such as infrared or even radio? Are there any radio lasers around? THAT would do for long distance calls, and proabably be enough for E.T. to phone home.

    1. Re:radio lasers by mpoulton · · Score: 3, Informative

      Are there any radio lasers around?

      That would be a MASER (microwave, not light), and they predate lasers. However, a maser holds no advantage over a regular microwave transmitter for terrestrial communications. The distance of point to point microwave links with standard radio technology is limited by the curvature of the earth, not power or beam divergence. Even with tall towers, it's very hard to obtain a line of sight path between two points on earth more than about 50 miles apart.

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    2. Re:radio lasers by symbolset · · Score: 1

      It may, however, be handy in space. Like Planetary Resources is planning to do. Because for high data rate communications over long distances in space with low power it's pretty awesome.

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    3. Re:radio lasers by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

      Yeah, using laser pointers is a good idea, but what do you do when the cats jump on your data?

    4. Re:radio lasers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, using laser pointers is a good idea, but what do you do when the cats jump on your data?

      Beat the crap out of them?

    5. Re:radio lasers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      put a feedback circuit in the laser output, from the receiver end. If the receiver is not receiving anymore, raise the power level just a little bit until it does, then back
      off.

      that pesky little cat will be no more trouble.

    6. Re:radio lasers by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 2

      Beam divergence is a bitch at low frequencies. EM signals don't travel in a straight line, a ray of them tends to get wider over distance. This effect is stronger at low frequencies. For space you need the highest frequencies you can get if you want to have some usable distance. Gamma lasers would be preferable, if it were possible to make those.
      Or you'd need a very wide beam and thus a very large laser/maser.

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    7. Re:radio lasers by catmistake · · Score: 1

      The distance of point to point microwave links with standard radio technology is limited by the curvature of the earth, not power or beam divergence.

      Perhaps there is a way to mitigate this limitation with strategically spaced Hot Pockets®.

    8. Re:radio lasers by julesh · · Score: 2

      That made me think of blue lasers, which would have even better rates.

      But, how about longer waves, such as infrared or even radio?

      A typical 1.5mW near-IR laser diode can emit at 2.5Gb/s and costs only about 3 times as much as a laser pointer, so is more economical.

    9. Re:radio lasers by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      Even with tall towers, it's very hard to obtain a line of sight path between two points on earth more than about 50 miles apart

      That was a big disadvantage with MASERs. However, what I propose, is data transfer using high-powered LASERs. Initial handshaking will be done by "creating" a line of sight path before communications can start in lower-power mode :D

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  15. Re:Great... Just Great... by TWX · · Score: 1

    if your short range fiber gbics cost thousands of dollars each, you're buying from the wrong vendor.

    I had assumed an LX range with mode conditioning, and on top of that I had assumed that something that could work through a medium as imperfect as ambient air with ambient light and still achieve speeds of half a gigabit could achieve much faster speeds over the controlled conditions of cable, like say, 10gb over laser-optimized OM3... Which are currently thousands of dollars.

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  16. Enjoy It While It Lasts by guttentag · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's only a matter of time before the MPAA/RIAA gets this outlawed because pirates could be using it to broadcast entire ripped DVDs to each other in mere seconds using sharks with frickin' multiplexin' red and green lasers attached to their heads! You laugh, but it will happen.

  17. A similar project by ard · · Score: 4, Informative

    A proof of concept on laser pointer networking was done two years ago, if you are interested see
    http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?searchId=4&pid=diva2:325270 - Fulltext at
    http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:325270/FULLTEXT01

  18. The toughest part...... by Grayhand · · Score: 4, Funny

    is getting the sharks to hold still.

    1. Re:The toughest part...... by Ed_1024 · · Score: 1
  19. Cell Towers? by aaronb1138 · · Score: 2

    I'm surprised the cell phone companies haven't implemented something similar on their towers to reduce backhaul. Have dozens of towers in a given area relay optically to a super node tower with amazing backhaul. Have them relay to a few others in a standard mesh network layout for redundancy. Might even reduce their spectrum need if they are using channels to talk tower to tower. May have some issues with rain I suppose though, but that could be mitigated if laser wavelengths for which water is not refractive exist. Or just use laser arrays with heavy multiplexing and parallel signal reinforcement.

    1. Re:Cell Towers? by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure they do this already using microwave

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    2. Re:Cell Towers? by adolf · · Score: 5, Informative

      Visible line-of-sight issues ruin the possibility in many applications. Rain is murderous to low-power visible light connections, as is fog and snow. Even wind will affect a laser-based length over any substantial distance as the end-points sway (and yes, all towers sway in the breeze).

      Meanwhile, cell towers quite commonly already link with microwave: The big parabolic reflectors covered with fiberglass radomes that you see on many (perhaps most, or nearly all) cellular towers are not for subscriber usage, but to link neighboring towers together. This is often done using licensed frequencies, though unlicensed bands are also used.

      There are generally also redundant backhauls using copper or fiber or both, but I guess the point I'm trying to make is that cell towers -already- use wireless RF backhauls...and that the tech described in the article isn't likely to change that.

      As it stands, resistance to rain-fade and other weather seems to be excellent, at least anecdotally: I've never experienced it, and I've carried a cell phone for at least 1.5 decades.

      (Disclaimer: I work with RF and wide-area long-range wireless networking as part of my day job, though not necessarily with back-end cellular systems in particular. Just because optical networking seems like a general non-starter to me doesn't mean that it's unsuitable for the uses that you suggest.)

    3. Re:Cell Towers? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      But the new cell towers seem to be bad a building fade. 100% signal in my yard from the cell tower 5 blocks away. 20% signal inside the house near a window.

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    4. Re:Cell Towers? by qubezz · · Score: 1

      This must be why air-laser consumer tech never came out of Silicon Valley or the UK; instead we have fiber optics. They knew about fog, so they pointed their lasers through glass tubes.

      This seems just another "maker fair" type story, the type of which gets old and annoying - (undereducated person) discovers (old technology) made from (cheap new technology) thanks to (smarter people who understand new technology). It's a step above my research paper on popsicle-stick bridges though.

      Now do some high school science!

    5. Re:Cell Towers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Commercial FSO rigs counteract tower sway the same way that the microwave links do. They expand the diameter of the beam to be large enough that the sway on both ends still leaves the beam overlapping the sensor. The really fancy ones will automatically track the beam and adjust themselves to stay in the sweet spot. Of course, all the optics and electronics involved in doing that are a big part of why FSO equipment is so very expensive...

    6. Re:Cell Towers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting AC; but yes. We do FSO systems for cellular backhaul. The towers tend to need to be quite close (2km or less) and many legacy towers are 4km or more, but in certain areas FSO is deployed as an additional bandwidth capacity.

    7. Re:Cell Towers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, it has. FSO has been around and commercially available for at least 16 years now, and likely some before. Fog does attenuate, but rain also attenuates microwave the same way. Combine the two, and you can have a very robust and reliable, high bandwidth solution for areas where the "glass tubes" haven't been deployed or it's uneconomical to deploy them to.

  20. Unlicensed Spectrum? Unbelievably Reckless!! by burnttoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For a start, visible (and invisible) light has a frequency of between 400 and 800THz (800 and 375nm), which is unlicensed spectrum worldwide.

    My God! They're broadcasting my movies over an unlicensed, unregulated carrier! This MUST be stopped! This "visible" light will aid paedophiles, piracy, terrorists, drug dealers and all manner of criminality!

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    1. Re:Unlicensed Spectrum? Unbelievably Reckless!! by artor3 · · Score: 1

      No worries, the visible light spectrum is already being regulated. If you don't believe me, feel free to set up a 1500 watt spotlight pointing towards oncoming traffic on your street tonight. Let us know how it turns out.

  21. lower bit rate for me by pbjones · · Score: 2

    not good for 20% of males that have red/green defective colour vision, you desensitised clod...

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  22. 300 Euros by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They already use laser diodes in these things, so using a laser diode won't bring the price down. It's really nothing new here. Just somebody has decided to play with lasers.
    http://www.laser2000.de/index.php?id=370844&L=1

    This 600m kit is typical of short range systems, notice the prices? 300 euros.
    http://www.laser2000.de/index.php?id=374687&L=1

    The bigger ones, e.g. 1.5km is only 900 euros
    http://www.laser2000.de/index.php?id=370040&L=1

    1. Re:300 Euros by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Where do you get those prices? The German distributor wants more like 8000 Euros for the 600m kit.

      http://www.gepanet.com/geodesy.htm

  23. Also of interest to the low-cost DIY crowd by subreality · · Score: 5, Informative

    10Mbit, 1200-1400 meter range, GFDL-licensed open designs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RONJA

    Instead of lasers they use LEDs with relatively inexpensive lenses.

    1. Re:Also of interest to the low-cost DIY crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Simply put a hole in a 10cm diameter tin can, 5cm above the bottom which remains after consumption. Then stick the can over the antenna. That will give you a WLAN link with a plain laptop for more than 1km, as opposed to just 100m without cantenna. Line of sight is essential though.
      My estimate for a cantenna-cantenna system is easily 10kms without fog and at least 3km in the fog. Also, no dangerous lasers and nothing expensive required. Just two USB WLAN sticks or two WLAN routers.
      Some guys even did 70km with WLAN and a 1.5m parabolic dish. Search for it on youtube.

  24. Hobby hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So it shouldn't be too difficult to just use one laser for each side of a full-duplex link at 10-100 Mbits and just send standard Ethernet frames back and forth. Not for any serous applications, just to prove it would work.

    1. Re:Hobby hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See post above. You can drop a 10mW laser diode into a RONJA TX head instead of the LED and ... it works. Quite a bit better than the LED. Only one tiny issue - LASER SAFETY REGULATIONS.

    2. Re:Hobby hacking by jelle · · Score: 1

      DANGER
      *Big Scary Laser*
      Do not look Into beam with remaining eye!

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  25. Re:Great... Just Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think ambient air with ambient light is a particularly imperfect medium at those speeds. Nothing in the ambient blinks that fast.

  26. Re:Firefox security bug in current Tor BB's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    apk, you're a tard

  27. Been done by silentcoder · · Score: 2

    A group of students at The University of Pretoria in South Africa did exactly this while I was still studying there, this was circa 2001.
    A large part of their motivation was to help build a technology for high-speed networks that were not subject to the state protected telecoms monopoly.

    They used almost exactly the same technology, lazer-pointers for sending streams, but I believe they used solar-cells for receivers.

    I remember they boasted speeds of over 1mbs which (back then) was incredibly fast (in fact faster than the internal buffers of the P2 computers they used - so that the data actually slowed DOWN after being received) but I don't believe they ever went beyond a single point-to-point connection.

    Maybe one of the students who were involved is on slashdot and can give more details ?

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    1. Re:Been done by amorsen · · Score: 1

      1Mbps in 2001 was dead slow, sorry. 100Mbps ethernet was everywhere and 1Gbps ethernet available. Computers could easily fill a 100Mbps connection while 1Gbps was more of a challenge.

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    2. Re:Been done by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Did you miss the location ? It was NOT slow if you were in South Africa. At that stage it still tended to take a while for US technology to reach the bottom of Africa. Hell, in some cases, it still does.

      Hell most corporates here were still running on 10Mbps ethernet at the time.

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    3. Re:Been done by amorsen · · Score: 1

      The Pentium II should have no trouble filling 100Mbps ethernet, even at 233MHz.

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  28. Beowulf! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to see a beowulf cluster of these! Wouldn't you?

  29. Um, hello? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The paper describes phase measurements. Phase of what? They don't use any modulation scheme that involves phase -- they have dumb on/off "modulation", their carrier is light itself, and their detector is a photodiode, it can't measure phase of light without an interferometer that they don't have.

    As light passes through the air, random (but low-frequency) "noise" modulates its amplitude and introduces varying delay. If we are really unlucky (fog, dust, very long distances), there will be multiple paths, "smearing" impulse response. However light itself has frequency in Terahertz, single-bit signal with all its harmonics is up to Gigahertz, so this is nowhere close to what happens in RF data transmission. This kind of distortion just works like a simple low-pass filter, limiting the data rate. No filtering or amplification can affect that, so we have a data rate hard limit for this kind of "modulation" there, and it's much higher than what they are trying to do.

    On top of this, receiver is very much nonlinear -- all those harmonics are introduced not by medium (air is almost perfectly linear as far as light transmission is concerned) but by the receiver photodiode. THAT can be compensated by "adaptive filter" that at the same time tracks shift in amplitude -- levels slowly drift (clouds of dust and fog may appear and disappear), but no one really cares how linear or nonlinear anything is, because "amplitude modulation" was by unpredictable noise anyway, and all we need is to discern levels for 0 and 1. Now, look at the eye diagram in the article. It's clear as day that one on the left is smeared because of amplitude drift (so traces start at slightly different points) and one on the right has "filter" adjusting to the changing amplitude (so all traces start at the same point relative to the "true" moment of level transition). It's level adjustment, plain and simple.

    Oh, but what about phase?? There is no "phase". Phase of the carrier is gone after the photodiode. There is no frequency to apply "phase" to, pulses' frequency is arbitrarily chosen by the user, and nothing at all depends on that frequency as long as it doesn't reach Terahertz range. What happens is simple delay, that also may drift when changing air pressure changes refraction coefficient or, to put it plain, speed of light in the air, or when transmitter and receiver move, or when un-compensated amplitude changes shift the time when waveform (electric, not light) crosses given levels. The only "phase adjustment" is synchronization with those pulses' leading and trailing edges -- if this is "adaptive filter", then RS-232 is also "adaptive filter" because receiver constantly adjusts its time when it receives start pulses.

    So here it is, the transmitter does nothing but turn laser on and off forming pulses. The receiver receives the signal with amplitude and delay drifting, mutilates it further by introducing its own nonlinearity and immediately loses everything related to phase (and frequency) of the carrier because carrier is just light falling on a photodiode. Everything past that point is just level adjustment (what they call adaptive filtering for amplitude), Schmitt trigger (that paper omitted, so maybe they forgot to put it there) and synchronization (what they call adaptive filtering for phase).

    Oh, and both their drawings are wrong. And their amplifier doesn't do anything for "compensation of nonlinearity" that simple level adjustment wouldn't do better because -- surpise -- it already contains an amplifier with gain adjustment, and all we care about is two levels.

  30. Re:Great... Just Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which are currently thousands of dollars.

    I'm not normally one for commercial props (and I am not affiliated, but am an occasional customer) but 10G optics cost $1k these days:

    https://www.fluxlight.com/

  31. IrDA worked fine by MrMickS · · Score: 1

    I don't agree with the original poster about the deficiencies in IrDA.

    This was in a time when dial-up access was the norm, if you were lucky you had ISDN, and your cellphone gave you patch 9600 baud connectivity. IrDA was fine in this situation.

    I used my Nokia 6320 phone and Palm V to restart servers whilst on call from the comfort of restaurants, and even to make changes to Perl scripts from a different country. The range was poor, but fine, the performance was limited by the cellphone not IrDA.

    Kids of today, they've no idea

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    1. Re:IrDA worked fine by deroby · · Score: 2

      I remember copying files from one laptop to another via the IR ports. There was an option in the BIOS (Dell) to chose between 'Normal IR' and 'Fast IR' and the latter gave something like 6Mbit I seem to remember, not sure, but it surely was fast enough to copy setups and iso's etc. Sure we were not allowed to move the laptops around in the meanwhile, but copying things was much faster over that link than using the 10Mbit network that was shared with the entire floor.
      Eventually we found out about using a direct FireWire connection whenever we need to transfer large stuff and didn't want to hog the network; used to be the fastest link one could think of between 2 computers until 1Gbps Ethernet came out... In fact, I still use it [FireWire] for that very purpose from time to time as it doesn't require me to modify the Ethernet adapter settings (fixed IP etc) when I want to do poin-to-point

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  32. Anyone thinking about sharks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now the sharks with friggin' laser beams attached to their heads will be able to enjoy, not just a warm meal, but also high-speed digital electronic data communications!

  33. So they copied existing designs... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Sorry but this has existed as a communications system in the middle east and india for well over a decade now. People over there have been doing this with laser pointers and LED's for a very long time.

    Granted it was only 100bt as it used existing transciver chips, but the jump to 1Gps is not that hard.

    and why red and green? The existing designs all use RED for alignment and then IR for data comms so that it's not visible from acute angles.

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  34. Ronja anybody ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fully opensource 100mbps version right here http://ronja.twibright.com/
    Rather old too.

  35. AFSK over lightwave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The ham radio experiments have modulated the light wave with a low frequency radio signal - say 25kHz. This would imply a more linear output stage than a pulsed light output stage - or a modulation technique such as FM which doesn't care so much.

    Maybe this is the way we'd use QAM - in the modulated signal. I wonder if the maths applies as it does for normal radio waves - if the spectrum of the output will be the normal AM or FM spectrum so even a very pure light source once modulated will contain other colours. Thinking of the maths I'd expect so, though it's light and colour so it would seem counter-intuitive and I wonder what other effects may come into play.

    1. Re:AFSK over lightwave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course the math would apply... it's all EM radiation. The problem is that we don't know how to make an antenna for the visible light spectrum, nor the drive electronics to do frequency modulation and demodulation at those wavelengths.

      We've only figured out how to do the simplest amplitude modulation and demodulation of a light source with an essential emission frequency. We're at the same state where we were with crude crystal radios doing AM transmission of audio frequency signals over radio frequencies a hundred years ago.

    2. Re:AFSK over lightwave by rdebath · · Score: 1

      Well, of course they can, each wavelength of your signal there are billions of cycles of the carrier frequency and untold numbers of photons. Of course classical mechanics works perfectly fine in this state.

      What the OP is talking about is trying to push the bit rate beyond the baud rate of the carrier by switching frequencies and phases mid cycle, this works wonderfully in the kHz range and is probably workable upto somewhere in the GHz range but if you try to do this to a signal of half an petahertz you're well into the regime where quantum mechanics reigns and the maths of classical wave theories are just plain wrong.

      You wouldn't be able to get enough photons in your signal to get anywhere near classical mechanics, if I've done the maths right a laser of 2mW would have about one photon per bit when modulated at a petabit rate. We already have single photon sensors so I don't doubt that it's possible but it's not gonna be wave mechanics.

    3. Re:AFSK over lightwave by m0rjc · · Score: 1

      Never-the-less - a very high bandwidth AFSK signal - or just a pulsed signal - would be quite effective. But then that's what we're doing down optic fibres at the moment. We use pulses with the fibres (or did back in the 90s anyway). Some issues with splurging due to different path lengths even in a graduated fibre, but generally good bandwidth.

  36. IrDA by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Worked great for me. For extended range or in 'noisy' environments id stick an optical fiber between the 2 devices.

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  37. The Heliograph by dtmos · · Score: 1

    Those with a (or even an) historical bent may be interested in the first outdoor optical communication system, the heliograph, which used reflected sunlight for long-distance communication via Morse code. The record distance covered was 183 miles (295 km), between Mount Ellen, Utah, and Uncompahgre Peak, Colorado on 17 September 1894.

    To my knowledge, this record for terrestrial (i.e., non-moonbounce) optical communication has never been broken, even by modern laser and LED systems. The closest attempt of which I am aware is 179 miles (288 km), between Mount Horror, Tasmania and Mount Liptrap in South Gippsland, Victoria, Australia on 27 October 2009, using non-line-of-sight techniques (they bounced Luxeon LED light off of high cirrus clouds, and used very-weak-signal digital coding and modulation techniques).

  38. Warning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do not look into router with remaining eye.

  39. First Sharks, now this?! by sureshot007 · · Score: 1

    Oh wait...I get it now - they put lasers on sharks so that they can have a network across the ocean! (http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/05/02/1744223/finally-a-shark-with-a-laser-attached-to-its-head)

  40. Does this let you ... by Skapare · · Score: 1

    ... move around? Or do you have to stay in the same spot where the lasers were aligned?

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  41. IrDA did NOT suck! by syncrotic · · Score: 1

    My experience, on windows: enable IrDA on phone. Put phone next to laptop. Phone recognized, systray icon pops up. Send files.

    IrDA was the closest we ever came to solving the still-unsolved problem of how to transfer files wirelessly between two machines sitting next to each other. It's telling that the de-facto standard now is to carry around USB flash drives: god help you if you've lost whatever cereal-box prize you were using.

    Compared to the dicking around we have to do with bluetooth - which, incidentally, is still brutally slow - IrDA was awesome. It wasn't fast, but files weren't big ten years ago.

    1. Re:IrDA did NOT suck! by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      I had a BJC-55 for a while when I was using a laptop in my later high school years (back when - I presume - laptops were rare). Although it wasn't particularly practical, the fault had nothing to do with IrDA - which connected and setup on Windows pretty flawlessly.

      I do remember it being quick enough that if I slid a device past the port, they'd link up and promptly delink when out of range pretty commonly.

      So yeah - I'm in full agreement. It would be awesome if we could have a light-based gigabit data protocol for arbitrary devices. It wouldn't be a terrible way to replace RS-232 as a universal, user-accessible interconnect, either.

  42. LPLs by WTFmonkey · · Score: 1

    employing red and green laser pointer lasers (LPLs).

    Well that's fucking clever of them.

  43. I don't get to say this often: I AM OPTIMISTIC! by Catbeller · · Score: 1

    Man, after ten years of watching the internet slide into being something resembling a privately-run prison system, a light glimmers.

    Damn it, yes. Use da lasers. We need alternative cheapnets that go around the massively centralized and monitored leylines that the commercial and government spooks have utterly co-opted.

    Lasers on the roofs, encrypted comm, backbones sneakily flashed around the countryside. Move the switches and bridges into software on commodity hardware, so they can't be controlled by manufacturers working with spooks. Move DNS into decentralized networks. Build an alternative to the US-controlled internet. Goodness defined.

    Illegal in 3... 2... 1... but don't let that stop you all. Sex outside of marriage was felonious once. So is betting on cards and ladies showing their ankles. What is illegal today is a joke tomorrow.

    Now, pity we can't use the former TV channels.

    1. Re:I don't get to say this often: I AM OPTIMISTIC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google has been pushing very very hard to be sure they (and we) can use the existing TV frequencies. Whitespace devices have been approved in principle. Now they're just fighting over the details. I don't think the former TV channels are available: Verizon owns those. But what's left of the old channels, now DBTV space, can be used anywhere a licensed station isn't broadcasting.

  44. Homebrew by squidflakes · · Score: 1

    Me and a buddy of mine cobbled together a Super Sekret Spi Laser Telephone System in highschool. It was a couple of cheap laser pointers and photovoltaic cells wired to the transistors in radio kits with microphones. They only worked well at night, over shortish distances, and were a complete bitch to aim. Still.. SUPER SEKRET SPI LASER PHONE!

  45. You mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean a glimmer in the REMAINING eye.

  46. Costs by jklovanc · · Score: 1

    Hardware is just a small part of the cost. There is installation and maintenance. The cost of going more than 25M includes installing a pole ever 25m, getting power to the poles and maintaining the repeater on top of the poles. Even solar panels need to be cleaned regularly. Would you rather maintain 2 switches inside buildings and 100M of cable or 16 laser nodes( for redundancy) of which 12 are on top of poles with attached solar panels? All it takes to bring this network down is for a birds with long tails to perch in in the nodes.They may not even work in high fog conditions. LOS lasers too fragile for important networks.

  47. Comcrap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Currently our internet connections are very bursty. Most of our network seems to have been built with the assumption that most people will not use all of the pipe. Maybe the ISPs can split traffic into two portions: fixed rate guaranteed wired bandwidth, and a much, much higher "you're lucky its sunny out" blazing fast variable bandwidth.

  48. They Are Indeed Pointers by pgn674 · · Score: 1

    I went to the paper, expecting to find a fairly high powered laser that is not a pointer, and expecting to call someone out on calling them pointers. However, they're only 5 mW, which is indeed a pointer. Cool that they can use such low powered lasers for this.

    The FDA has regulations in the U.S. saying that no laser products over 5 mW may be marketed as "pointers":

    Class IIIb lasers cannot legally be promoted as laser pointers or demonstration laser products.

  49. Overhyped!! by Laser+Dan · · Score: 1

    I don't know why this is being hyped so much... from my brief look it seems pretty dodgy.
    I'm not an expert in data transmission, but I have reviewed quite a few papers.

    Two main points stand out:

    1. They have two lasers of different wavelengths just so they can use the phrase "wavelength division multiplexing", but the lasers point at separate photodiodes! The lasers could be the same wavelength and it would make no difference.
    Doing this adds nothing to their paper and lowers my impression of the research quality.

    2. Their adaptive filter seems to require that the receivers already know the correct data in order to measure the amplitude/phase error and adapt.
    Why would you need to transmit the data if it is already known at the receiver???

    I would reject this paper.

    1. Re:Overhyped!! by sudonymous · · Score: 1

      1. The beams will diffuse and overlap. Two separate wavelengths are easy to separate at the remote end of the link with a couple of cheap optical filters.

      2. To repair the connection if the signal drops below a certain acceptable error rate. Once the receiver adjusts you can resume transmitting useful data.