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B&N Pulls Linux Format Magazine Over Feature On 'Hacking'

New accepted submitter super_rancid writes that issue 154 of the "UK-based Linux Format magazine was pulled from Barnes and Noble bookstores in the U.S. after featuring an article called 'Learn to Hack'. They used 'hack' in the populist security sense, rather than the traditional sense, and the feature — which they put online — was used to illustrate how poor your server's security is likely to be by breaking into it."

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  1. Good for them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's because Linux is an OS used predominately by criminals to hack machines. I appluad Barnes and Noble for this responsible reaction.

    1. Re:Good for them! by phrostie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      since they still sell 2600 it'smore likely it has something do do with this:

      http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/04/30/1359214/microsoft-invests-300-million-in-nook-e-readers

      big surprise

    2. Re:Good for them! by Theophany · · Score: 5, Funny

      Using Apple is kind of like being one of the kids whose parents didn't tell them Santa or the Tooth Fairy wasn't real until they were 16.

      Using Linux is kind of like being one of the kids whose parents were alcoholics but did their best, in between drunken rants about the futility of life.

      I would finish this by saying using Windows is like being one of the kids whose uncle used to have special sleep over parties, but I'd definitely get modded flamebait. And I use Windows on my personal machines. And my uncle didn't touch me.

    3. Re:Good for them! by TheGoodNamesWereGone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      TFA states it was pulled "after a complaint" (note singular). I have trouble believing this is the only reason. They pulled all of them from all of their stores in America? I have trouble believing that a single complaint was the only reason. "Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity," goes the quote, and I think it applies here. If M$ were the reason then they'd pull *all* Linux stuff. Likewise if they wanted to pull every example of "how to do bad things" off their shelves they'd have to take a LOT of books down.

    4. Re:Good for them! by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 3, Funny

      Using Linux is kind of like being one of the kids whose parents were alcoholics but did their best, in between drunken rants about the futility of life.

      Well, MY distro has the parents on methadone. It's clearly superior.

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    5. Re:Good for them! by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      WIndows is like being raised in Stepford.

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    6. Re:Good for them! by tqk · · Score: 3, Funny

      Using Linux is kind of like being one of the kids whose parents were alcoholics but did their best, in between drunken rants about the futility of life.

      Well, MY distro has the parents on methadone. It's clearly superior.

      Ah, OpenBSD. Did you notice they just released their latest the other day?

      Using Linux is like being a one eyed telepath in a world full of blind people, and you smell funny, so they grimace at you when you pass them but they don't have any clue why they need to.

      [/.: "26 6 * * * /usr/local/bin/varnish_the_damned_cache_when_users_are_asleep"]

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    7. Re:Good for them! by DrgnDancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have trouble believing either the reason B&N gave, or your more sinister reason. My counter to both of them is contained in this link:

      http://www.barnesandnoble.com/s/linux-hacking?keyword=linux+hacking&store=allproducts

      Which shows the result of typing "linux hacking" into the barnesandnoble.com search box. They sell literally dozens of titles on the subject of hacking and Linux, Some of which use the "tinkering with" definition of hacking, and others of which use the "breaking into" definition. I've seen many of these books in the physical stores too. This sounds like some management weenie over reacting to a complaint and little else.

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    8. Re:Good for them! by element-o.p. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was about to mention 2600, as well. WTF? They drop Linux Format because they published an article that tells you how to test your web server's security, but they still sell 2600?

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    9. Re:Good for them! by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have trouble believing either the reason B&N gave, or your more sinister reason.

      From the Linux Format website (issue 154):

      Learn to Hack
      Attack Servers, crack passwords, exploit services, beat encryption - everything you need to be evil. (Ben Everard)

      That sounds a little more nefarious than the summary implies.

  2. Streisand effect in 3, 2, 1! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Odds are that Linux Format magazine is about to see an increase in circulation.

  3. But... but... by klocwerk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Say what?
    I used to pick up my copies of 2600 at a local B&N years ago...
    Sad.

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    1. Re:But... but... by Yobgod+Ababua · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, but they cleverly named them "Reference you don't understand or care about" rather than "Pop culture meme that doesn't mean what you think it should mean.

      Name better, Try again.

  4. Pulled for false advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    With a title like "Learn to Hack" you're expecting instructions about chopping up things like bodies, not about poor server security.

    1. Re:Pulled for false advertising by idontgno · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought it was a golfing tutorial. That's why I passed it by.

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  5. And yet by Alranor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They'll happily stock martial arts magazines, full of special features about new and exciting ways to hurt people.

  6. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Remember what happened last time, Redcoat.

  7. Read the 1st amendment first. by ElmoGonzo · · Score: 5, Informative

    No it's not. If a government agency had tried to force them to take it down, that would have been a case of infringement. But as a private entity, B&N can decide what to carry in their product line.

  8. Example why brick and mortar bookstores dying by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In an age where brick and mortar bookstores are no longer the most economic method to deliver printed matter, and where the needs and desires of consumers can be far more fully met online, needlessly exposing yourself to ridicule and consumer anger is not a good business strategy.

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  9. They prefer that customers buy by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 3, Interesting

    less dangerous reading material that has hurt no one.

    1. Re:They prefer that customers buy by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 4, Funny

      Crap. I just violated Godwin's Law, didn't I?

    2. Re:They prefer that customers buy by saveferrousoxide · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, no. Quite the opposite. You lent further proof to it. :)

  10. Dear Barnes and Noble by SecurityGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stop being stupid.

    I cut my teeth on articles about "hacking". I've used "hacking" tools going back to the one that got Dan Farmer fired, and before. My interest in security was sparked by downloading an exploit for the Solaris eject command. Download, compile, omg! Root prompt!

    The catch? I did all those things on boxes I was paid to secure. I've never broken into anyone's systems but my own, and I have legitimate rights to do that. Information is information. It's not "good" or "bad". I have a bookshelf full of books, mostly bought in your stores, that could teach you how to "hack" or how to secure systems and networks. Guess what I've been paid to do for going on 20 years?

  11. Populist security sense? by sycodon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They used 'hack' in the populist security sense

    WTF is that?

    To 99% of the world, a hacker is someone who steals your password, your money, puts kiddie porn on your computer and publishes all your email.

    Like it or not, folks doing legitimate security assessments or building custom gadgets, etc. would do well to come up with term other than "Hacker".

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    1. Re:Populist security sense? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      they screwed up the meaning not us, why should we come up with a new term because they are computer illiterate.

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    2. Re:Populist security sense? by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exactly!

      I'm a CRACKER not a hacker. Get it right. (No just kidding..... but I should post that on news sites just to see what reaction I get.)

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    3. Re:Populist security sense? by sycodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can't argue with market realities. You can be smart. rebrand yourselves and build that brand in a respectable manner, or you can be a stupid 10 year old and throw a tantrum and still be associated with spammers and thieves.

      Your choice.

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    4. Re:Populist security sense? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ah, I see you're a Linux Kernel Developer. "I am technically correct, so I don't have to listen about usability."

      Here's an example: swastika. Immediately, you're thinking of 40s era Europe, right?

      The Germans used the swastika for 6 years. It's been around for THOUSANDS of years as a Sanskrit symbol, but you put up one little flag and point at it with your arm and suddenly YOU'RE the bad guy.

      Sycodon is right, a new term has to be coined, and not hat colours.

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    5. Re:Populist security sense? by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      AP Styleguide? One set of idiot reporters telling another set of reporters how to speak about technology the 1st set does not understand. Talk about the blind leading the blind.

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    6. Re:Populist security sense? by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 4, Informative

      The new rebrand is "Security Researcher". I haven't seen that get culture-broken yet.

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    7. Re:Populist security sense? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, and interestingly enough, this is a tangetial example of names being used incorrectly.

      Godwin's Law is not _any_ mention of Hitler or the Nazis. It requires an unfavorable comparison to Nazi Germany or Hitler. Since nothing we've done is as bad as massacring 12+ million civilians, the comparison is ridiculous. Further, the rule is "any flame war shall eventually result in somone comparing someone else or their actions to Nazi Germany. That person loses."

      Examples are: "The Nazis had really strict rules about this too!", "You imagine yourself a little Hitler with parades and... and... people saluting you", and, "You know who else liked to invade Poland?"

      In other words, you can talk about The Luftwaffe, Swastikas, Panzer design, WW2 re-enactments, etc. without invoking Godwin's Law.

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  12. B&N could have destroyed Apple by tekrat · · Score: 4, Informative

    If, in the 70's they pulled Esquire Magazine for carrying the article "Secrets of the Little Blue Box", an article that described phone phreaking.

    This inspired Steve Jobs to convince friend Woz to design and build Blue boxes, which eventually lead to the founding of Apple... now the biggest company in the world...

    Apple started from hacker/phreaker roots, and inspired by an article published in a magazine. Just imagine the damage they've done to the future by pulling this Magazine.

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    1. Re:B&N could have destroyed Apple by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This inspired Steve Jobs to convince friend Woz to design and build Blue boxes, which eventually lead to the founding of Apple... now the biggest company in the world...

      Apple started from hacker/phreaker roots, and inspired by an article published in a magazine. Just imagine the damage they've done to the future by pulling this Magazine.

      Actually, Woz built the blue box on his own. Jobs convinced him he could sell it for like $125 or so (it cost $25 to build). But those were really just the prankish college days. To found Apple, Woz had to hock his beloved HP calculator in order to buy the parts necessary to build the Apple 1.

      Jobs and Woz were friends very early on (started in childhood).

      Anyhow, I think the damage caused these days would be far less than in the 70s. Firstly, it seems deadtree is dying in favor of electronic media, and I'm sure anyone who can't find the deadtree can find billions of similar articles online, if not going to the official website and reading it there. In the 70s, magazines were timely and important sources of information. These days, not so much since the Internet is far faster at it.

  13. But they seel this book? by hduff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Scarne on Cards
    http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/scarne-on-cards-john-scarn/1104279175?ean=9780451167651

    Teaches you how to cheat at card games.

    Originally produced for the US Army during WW2, it was designed to reveal methods of cheating so a soldier could tell when he was being cheated, just like the Linux Format article.

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  14. Re:US$300M effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    There was no buyout.

    B&N spun off a subsidiary (which doesn't handle this sort of thing) and Microsoft took a minority stake in that subsidiary (so even the subsidiary was not bought out).

  15. is your son a computer "hacker"? by jsh1972 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"? BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone. Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional. If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.

  16. Re:Calling B.S. on this one... by Joiseybill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Echo: Bravo - Sierra
    Publicity / maybe a local story "with legs"

    BN sells books on Metaspolit, wardriving, and even "Steal magazines.

        Idea: maybe if one or two complaints causes this kind of reaction, imagine if their phones were to experience the /. phenomenon and just 0.05% of us complained, say about the sadism and child abuse in "The Hunger Games", or the mediocrity of the last Moby album?

    Can we use the power of /. for the good of society? !

    Nah.. nevermind.. no profit involved. Bask to work.

  17. Adjective Building by Venner · · Score: 4, Informative

    Merriam-Webster:
    First known use of PREDOMINATELY: 1594

    Even if its used predominantly in America, it's a good bet predominately didn't originate here.
    "To predominate" is a verb, "predominant" is an adjective. At some point in time, someone built an adjective off of the verb.

    My favorite bit of vestigial English preserved in the colonies -- especially in the midwest -- is "gotten."
    And it's not a colloquialism; it's used in formal American English.
    "What have you gotten?" (obtained) vs. "What have you got?" (possession)

    (There's actually another Americanism in a sentence above. We typically say "off of" while the British say simply "off.")

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