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British Broadband Needs £1bn More Funding

judgecorp writes "A report from the London School of Economics says that funding for superfast broadband in Britain faces a £1.1 billion shortfall. It's a government priority, but rural areas are uneconomic to cable up. From the article: 'Britain is in danger of missing out on the economic and social benefits of superfast broadband due to a lack of government funding and e-skills, according to a new report. Research by the London School of Economics (LSE) and Convergys claims a funding gap of £1.1 billion could cause the government to miss its target of having the “best superfast broadband network” in Europe by 2015.'"

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  1. Re:wireless by kestasjk · · Score: 3, Funny

    How dare you call our little island cold!

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  2. Why? by damienl451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At a time when austerity is the word of the day and cuts are being made all over the place, I wonder whether "superfast broadband" in rural areas is the best way to use limited resources. Presumably, people choose to live in rural areas because they derive benefits from that (clear air, outdoors, less crime, community, etc.). Good for them! But why should city dwellers subsidize their rural lifestyle? If you choose to live in a rural area with low population density, you have to accept that perhaps your internet connexion will not be as fast as if you lived in bustling city.

    1. Re:Why? by Chrisq · · Score: 2

      At a time when austerity is the word of the day and cuts are being made all over the place, I wonder whether "superfast broadband" in rural areas is the best way to use limited resources. Presumably, people choose to live in rural areas because they derive benefits from that (clear air, outdoors, less crime, community, etc.). Good for them! But why should city dwellers subsidize their rural lifestyle? If you choose to live in a rural area with low population density, you have to accept that perhaps your internet connexion will not be as fast as if you lived in bustling city.

      Ah ... but a lot of the people buying big houses in the country are Conservative MPs, the ones who decide what your money should be spent on.

    2. Re:Why? by zennyboy · · Score: 2

      Or we came out here as we could not afford family-sized city-based accommodation...

      Not in my case, but for many, rural is the cheapest way to live...

    3. Re:Why? by water-and-sewer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This drives me crazy as it stinks of "un-researched." Yes, broadband internet is probably useful and may lead to economic benefits of some sort. But I think in practice the way that broadband is going to be put to use is streaming TV over Internet, so, basically entertainment. Meanwhile, web pages bloat and you can enjoy Flash goodness in new craptacular ways.

      To address the recession in the US the Obama administration prioritized the same. One of the sob stories was a rural farm owner complaining "with dial up it can take me 45 minutes to upload a picture of the horse I'm selling." FFS, you know she's uploading a 4+MB picture her camera took, with enough pixels to print the damn thing out at life-size. If she reduced it to, say, 900x600 she'd have a picture she could upload in a few seconds over a plain old dial up line.

      My point is: it's easy to claim on the basis of no research at all that lack of access to broadband is a killer that will cause the economy to implode. But I don't think it's true, and suspect the big ISPs and cable companies are whispering this falsehood in the ears of gullible politicians. If the point of Internet is to access information I think you do a lot of what you need to do with very little bandwidth at all. You need more bandwidth to offer new services (like, ahem, a service that tints your digital photos and allows you to share them for free, cough). But you don't host a server like that in the woods, you host it at a hosting facility in the capital.

      So, what is the need again? Does anybody know?

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    4. Re:Why? by coastwalker · · Score: 2

      There is no economic value in super-fast broadband to rural areas. The only value is to super-fast broadband infrastructure companies who would like to have the taxpayers money to give us a boost during the recession. Where is the need for fat pipes to empty rural landscapes. We could have a much better economy if we first got rid of all these self serving think tanks sponging off the small proportion of us who actually create wealth. I despair.

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    5. Re:Why? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 2

      And even if he GOT super-fast broadband speeds, his upload would still suck donkey balls. I can get 20Mb down, but can barely push 460Kb up. That's about 2.25% of my download speed! Shaw Cable in Lower Mainland BC btw.

  3. Money money money by Wowsers · · Score: 2

    Just before the 2010 general election, the now ex-Labour government shoved through (mostly) to BT, the main backbone company in the UK £10bn to upgrade switches etc. to enable spying on all phone calls and internet traffic in real time. Imagine what you could do for an economy instead of spying on people, you built a phone / data network that is faster than your competitors for businesses.

    Oh well, you can dream on with politicians having common sense. They are more worried about themselves and what people are saying about them, than worrying about the economy.

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  4. "Could cause"? Understatement of the century... by Retron · · Score: 3

    How amusing - our dear little con-dem Government reckons Britian will have the best superfast broadband by 2015, do they? Well, they might like to "encourage" BT to pull its finger out and upgrade all the exchanges to ADSL2 for a start. There are thousands of small exchanges stuck about 5 years in the past and no plans whatsoever to upgrade them.

    Meanwhile all the effort seems to be going to towns and cities, the places that already have the choice of cable or ADSL2 or fibre to the cabinet. They really ought to splunk that cash on bringing everyone up to speed instead, but no, as it's all about money it's far more efficient for them just to push ahead where there's already fast broadband.

    I think there's more chance of the Sun suddenly exploding than there is of the UK having the best superfast broadband by 2015.

  5. and the benefits are? by travellerjohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Superfast broadband is great, but are there really economic and social benefits?

    Fast broadband makes a difference to entertainment but hardly necessary for employment, communication or accessing public services. Unless the government has plan to put high end tech jobs out in the depths of the Scottish highlands I would have thought that 4 MBps would do just fine. I struggle to see why I should subsidise some farmers access to NetFlix.

    Who commissioned this report again? Any danger of the LSE coming to the conclusions the client wanted?

    1. Re:and the benefits are? by Viol8 · · Score: 2

      The sort of people who witter on about social benefits are the sort who spend their entire waking life on twitter or facebook. Most normal people treat the internet as an amusing distraction or somewhere they occasionally do online banking or book a holiday, nothing more.

  6. Re:wireless by Theophany · · Score: 2

    We're not the power we once were, sun never setting on the British Empire and all that. But in terms of a ratio of political/economic power to geographical size, we pack a decent amount of power per sq. mile.

    Also, biggest financial centre in the world, so suck it.

  7. Rural areas by MrAngryForNoReason · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but rural areas are uneconomic to cable up

    Then don't. Seriously, so much noise is made in the UK about universal access to broadband and the majority of it is people complaining that the speeds they get are terrible. Or that BT has told them they need to pay thousands if they want connecting. What do all of these people have in common? They live in rural areas often right in the middle of nowhere.

    The papers love this kind of thing as it allows then to print headlines like "Rural Pensioner charged £90,000 for broadband setup". Ignoring what should be obvious to anyone which is if you choose to live in a remote location then you have to accept that there may be downsides to that decision. One of those downsides will inevitably be poorer access to services. Expecting any company (or government) to run miles of cable and install switching equipment for the sake of one house is ludicrous.

    In the same way I can't move to the middle of nowhere and then complain that I have to walk miles to buy a paper in the morning, complaining about not having access to the best broadband speeds is hardly reasonable.

  8. Re:Simple economics by MrAngryForNoReason · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That person may genuinely want the service, but it's just not economically viable to run it out there to him and him alone.

    In that case the person needs to sit down and think hard about his choice to live where he does. The government subsidising roll out of broadband to every remote cottage in order to be able to claim 100% availability is a tremendous waste of money.

    When you choose where to live you take into account a lot of different factors, nearby schools, sports facilities, local restaurants or amenities. Why is broadband any different from anything else? Last time I moved I checked likely ADSL speeds and availability of cable online when I was making a short list of properties.

    I can't move to a remote location and then demand someone comes and builds a pub next door so I don't have to walk so far for a pint. Why should I expect someone to run miles of expensive cable to my door.

  9. laughable by gr8_phk · · Score: 2

    That works out to 16 pounds per person. That's less than one months revenue for the network operators.

  10. Only a billion more pounds? by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Funny

    We can raise that for them. C'mon slashdotters, start eating those hotpockets!

  11. Re:wireless by neokushan · · Score: 2

    The problem isn't the places that have cables near them already, it's the ones that don't. Most major cities these days are fine and by 2015 probably will have some form of cable, FTTC or both, but it's the small towns and villiages (of which there are many) that are miles away and only have a few residents. If there's only 30 people there and the nearest telephone exchange is 5 miles away, then how much is it going to cost to lay that much cable and blanket the area in wireless? Now split that cost up by 30 and suddenly it's quite expensive.

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