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British Prime Minister To Announce Porn Blocking Plans

Overly Critical Guy writes "British Prime Minister David Cameron will announce network-filtering plans targeted at porn websites, possibly requiring users to 'opt-in' with their ISP to access such content. The idea has support from MP Claire Perry, who said, 'There is a "hands off our internet" movement that sees any change in how access is delivered as censorship.'"

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  1. First they came.. by Bongoots · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What next? The Internet and web should be free. There should never be any large-scale blocking of this sort, otherwise they'll add more categories in the future until we're left with a heavily restricted Internet/web, or worse: whitelisted categories.

  2. Suddenly, Tor usage spikes by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would not be surprised if the use of Tor, and proxies/VPNs in other countries spiked as a result of this law.

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    1. Re:Suddenly, Tor usage spikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What will happen is there will be a list compiled of the "weirdos" who choose to opt in. That list will be used to deny employment, raise insurance rates, and all manner of discrimination.

      Salem witch trials/Spanish Inquisition all over again except this time it's digital.

    2. Re:Suddenly, Tor usage spikes by mhajicek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Next you'll have to opt in for any site associated with political dissent, thereby labeling yourself as a dissenter.

    3. Re:Suddenly, Tor usage spikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, opt in to VIEW it.
      If parents are too retarded to setup web censorship, or, you know, TALK to their kids, they shouldn't be allowed to have any damn kids.
      I'm sick of lazy parents forcing their stupidity and laze on others.

      Porn first, adult content in general after it.
      Hell, the idiots even have age group restrictions in general!

      The web filters in their entirety should be banned.
      It costs the entire country money and I am pretty sure I don't give a damn about lazy parents or their already warped childrens minds.

  3. Um, yeah, actually ... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The idea has support from MP Claire Perry, who said, 'There is a "hands off our internet" movement that sees any change in how access is delivered as censorship.'

    Yes. And?

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    1. Re:Um, yeah, actually ... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, yes. Clearly.

      A couple of days ago, I told an English friend of mine, who was claiming that the UK would never tolerate anything like America's level of right-wing crazy, that I strongly suspected their Tories would be just as bad as our Republicans given the chance. I think this is all the proof I need that it's already happened. Not just the proposal itself, but the smug, smarmy, iron-fist-in-the-velvet-glove way Perry is defending it.

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  4. Excellent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    British porn is terrible.

    1. Re:Excellent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Almost. Almost. Almost. There we are.

  5. What about books, newspapers? by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do I have to "opt in" if I want to read Huckleberry Finn or Anne Frank's uncensored diary? No. Free speech/press/expression means exactly that..... no censorship by the government of any book, paper, or website.

    Dumbass PM.

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  6. Re:Hang on a second... by Spad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because you can opt out. Of course, you won't opt out because you don't want to have to call your ISP and say "Please can you let me look at porn", or explain to your boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife why you've had the filth-filter turned off.

    It's really just another moronic step in the funeral parade of personal responsibility; this idea that people shouldn't have to think about requesting adult material be blocked on their connection, let alone actually look after their children and keep an eye on what they're doing online because, you know, that's *hard*.

    Stupid lazy fuckers would happily give away all their rights and freedoms if it meant they didn't have to think about anything too hard.

  7. Please no... by BootysnapChristAlive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please don't make it a hassle for people who want to view the content. Not for the children, and not for anyone else. This isn't necessary. We've lived without this, and somehow the world hasn't collapsed due to it yet.

    This anti-sexuality nonsense has got to go. Even if a child does see the content, it will most likely not hurt them, anyway. I'd say ignorance is far more damaging.

    1. Re:Please no... by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Early exposure to porn as serious detrimental effect latter in life. It's well documented.

      [citation needed]

  8. What is the internet but opt in access? by dittbub · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everything on the internet is "opt in" access!!!

  9. Re:Hang on a second... by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just use email. I suspect special feature will emerge to allow you to email a time it's on, or have it turned on for a set amount of minutes.

    BTW, anyone reading this who has to hide porn from the So, should sit down and talk to there So about it, right now.
    Make a decision, either get comfortable watching it, or decide not to watch it.

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  10. This is stupid. by Tei · · Score: 4, Informative

    Porn is not illegal, so what is the base to discriminate it over other stuff? Its much less damaging to everyone than religion, and religion is not bloqued. Is less damaging than sport, and sport is not blockqued. WHY THE HELL.

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  11. Dear Prime Minister David Cameron by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fuck You.

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  12. Filtering doesn't work! by kheldan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's been proven time and time again that filtering isn't effective, and often it's abused by people with access and the power to affect what is and is not filtered!

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    1. Re:Filtering doesn't work! by avajcovec · · Score: 5, Funny

      When you put it that way, it sure sounds an awful lot like prohibition.

    2. Re:Filtering doesn't work! by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's been proven time and time again that filtering isn't effective,

      Nonsense. Filtering has been proven effective in many countries, including China and Iran. I daresay it's been proven cost effective in such countries as well. In fact, you will find that all this software was originally developed, tested, improved and optimised in such regimes, by western companies, and is now being sold back to the home country.

      and often it's abused by people with access and the power to affect what is and is not filtered!

      You are assuming that this is a side effect, and not the entire purpose of the system from the start. Filtering is designed to block things which those in power dislike.

      In this regard, there is no difference between porn, the pirate bay, islamist websites, or even the likes of zerohedge.com when it comes to the running of a successful filtering system. Once the system is in place, those in charge will block what they please.

      There will be no oversight or appeal to the courts, as a successful censorship/filtering system requires these options to be removed. This is the single biggest problem with such filters: they are above the rule of law.

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    3. Re:Filtering doesn't work! by robot256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It would be a service if the "inoffensive net" was opt-in, which I understand they already have. Put the other way around, it definitely is a restriction and/or a ridiculous political gimmick. Even if you can "opt-in" to the "unfiltered" net, who's to stop them from filtering that version too? Once the filter is up, the difference between "on" and "off" becomes a really blurry line. With an "optional" filter, you can still abuse it to shape public opinion if the majority of households have the filter enabled.

    4. Re:Filtering doesn't work! by EdIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was being completely sarcastic..... a filter/censorship/oppression system like this has nothing to do with porn. That's just the left hand going "look at me! look at me!" why the right hand is delivering the knife to your balls.

    5. Re:Filtering doesn't work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you're like me, about 7 and a half minutes.

  13. Re:The right wing here wants to leave you alone by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The right wing in the U.S. these days mostly wants to reduce the power of federal government and leave you the hell alone.

    What a bald face lie. They want to reduce the power of federal government to enable corporations to rampage freely across the country, extracting profits and leaving negative externalities for everyone else to deal with.

    Personal liberty doesn't enter into it with the right wing. You won't find John Boener advocating for marijuana legalization any time soon.

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  14. Re:The right wing here wants to leave you alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    unless you own a vagina. In which case they know whats best for you.

  15. Re:Should be opt-in.. by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You do realize that the parents ALREADY can filter out the naughtiness from the internet connection? It's called putting the computer in the living room, and using a password on it. By the time the kids are old enough to defeat those security measures, they're old enough to browse for boobies. By the time they can defeat anything more serious, as well as the threat of "I'm logging everything at the router", they're old enough to have sex.

    In other words, this is a solution to a non-existent problem.

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  16. Re:How do you think this quote will work in this c by Sebastopol · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think the emphasis is on the word "came".

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  17. Re:Hang on a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I personally don't see how this is any different from filtering adult TV channels

    The internet is not a fucking cable service. It's designed to be free and open by default. The majority of people are ignoramuses when it comes to technology, so they wouldn't understand that.

    they can still see porn

    Yeah, and if the government censored speech for everyone, those people could just move out of the country!

    How would you react if they said they were censoring certain political opinions by default? You could still see it if you asked, after all!

    Also, blocking porn is *not* easy for most people

    I don't give a shit. They can figure it out by themselves.

  18. now no one else can by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Clearly the thing to do would be to start a porn site where the talent make political speeches against David Cameron. Then he'll be repressing political speech.

    1. Re:now no one else can by jeremymiles · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is the UK we're talking about, there's no constitutional amendment that says you can't repress political speech and people can be sent to prison for what they write on twitter: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17515992

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  19. Terrible implementation by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why doesn't the british government just have an option at sign up for child protection and use a simple DNS blocking service like NortonDNS? That would not disrupte free speech nor would it require expensive procedures and upgrades for ISPs.

    I am an advocate of OpenDNS, and NortonDNS for phishing and crossite protection in case my anti virus package misses something. NortonDNS has porn filtering as well if you enter the IP addresses here. Basically the last subnet .50 filters unfamily friendly sites, .40 just porn and malware, and .20 for the rest of us with just security protection.

    I have my router with .20 filter at home. If I had a child I would put his/her own computer with a subnet of .40 for the DNS IP Address. Problem solved. No expensive tax dollars or expensive hardware or software.

    If you run Windows you can turn on family safety too for a childs account. I imagine most users are not this savy or smart to know this or set this up and you can do custom filtering as well. However DNS filtering is the best and an easy way.

    I am for free speech and this is outragous! I think an option with those who pick family safety just run a script which configures their new shiny routers to the NortonDNS that protects agaisnt porn and viola! Easy

  20. Re:The right wing here wants to leave you alone by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The right wing in the U.S. these days mostly wants to reduce the power of federal government and leave you the hell alone."

    Haha. Get real. You are confusing "right wing" with Libertarians.

    The "small government" policies that the political Right have tried to pretend they believe in have NEVER materialized in the real world.

    When the Republicans have been in power they have NEVER reduced the power of the Federal government, NEVER reduced the actual size of government, NEVER reduced overall spending (except to reduce military spending after wars were over, and not even that, most of the time). Not once, at least since the year 1900, have they EVER actually made the government smaller.

    And they have NEVER left us alone. For the most part, and until very recently, they have a far worse record when it comes to Constitutional rights than the Democrats.

    So you can talk about what the Right pretends its platform to be all you want, but history very clearly shows it to be nothing but rhetoric. Actually that's too polite. Bullshit is the more accurate term.

    If they wanted anybody to actually believe them, they should have started putting their money where their mouths were over 50 years ago.

  21. blocking the internet porn is just the beginning.. by shop+S+Mart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Start by blocking the internet porn, for the kids of course. A few years pass. Then block anything that could be deemed hate speech or offensive. Again for the kids. Govt bonus: have FBI/CIA/NSA secretly setup proxies and track people who use them to bypass the block. A few years pass. Next block anything from countries that might be unfriendly towards us, national security, nothing to see here move along. Govt bonus: have FBI/CIA/NSA secretly setup proxies and track people who use them to bypass the block. A few years pass. Start making it harder to opt in for porn, maybe even make users pay for access or a data plan that allows porn. Govt bonus: big list of people who want porn.

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  22. Re:How do you think this quote will work in this c by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not a problem...

    First they came for the porn but I didn't watch porn so I didn't care, next they came for those extremist websites but I wasn't an extremist so I didn't care, next they went after the hate speech, but I wasn't hateful so I didn't care, next they came for the unpopular but I wasn't unpopular so I didn't care, then when i realized I was in a jack booted fascist state I had no way to protest or organize because they turned the internet into the fucking home shopping club and when i complained they hauled my ass away.

    I admit not nearly as poetic but the sentiment is there. NEVER FORGET that there are those out there that honestly believe nothing should exist that an 8 year old can't watch and scarily enough these douchebags often end up in power.

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  23. Re:How do you think this quote will work in this c by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They start by making you have to opt-in for porn, then the filter is expanded for child porn, terrorism, hate speech, extremism, copyright infringement, and whatever. It's foot in the door technique.

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  24. Re:How do you think this quote will work in this c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You forgot to opt-in for child porn

  25. Weird by bryan1945 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The British can show boobs on TV, but they want to actively block porn. In the US, you can't show boobs on TV, but everyone says porn in fine. And don't get me started on Japan.

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