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UK Home Secretary Bans US Martial Arts Expert
Big Hairy Ian writes "An American expert in violent self-defense has been excluded from entering the UK by the Home Office. From the article: 'Tim Larkin tried to board a plane from his home in Las Vegas on Tuesday, but was given a UK Border Agency letter saying "his presence here was not conducive to the public good." Mr Larkin, who was due to host seminars, told the BBC the move was a "gross over-reaction." The Home Office said he was subject to an exclusion order. A spokeswoman said: "The home secretary will seek to exclude an individual if she considers that his or her presence in the UK is not conducive to the public good." Mr Larkin — who trained as a US Navy Seal — runs a company teaching combat to military and law enforcement clients in the United States.'"
Remember, this is the country where being "anti-social" is a crime. Yes, for real.
This is not the first time someone has been prevented from entering a country. While the US refuses people all the time, we're supposed to get indignant that this person is refused entry to GB?
I'm sure the mental train wreck in some peoples' minds regarding this is epic.
However, this is not news.
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BMO
The UK has a different connotation for anti-social than does the US, and in UK law, the term has very specific meanings.
This monster came and gave his hate-fest speech to a happy audience.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126914/Sheikh-Raed-Salah-wins-appeal-UK-Governments-attempts-deport-him.html
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2012/04/party-in-london-to-celebrate-anti.html
The UK is going to hell.
This is the same woman who, upon learning that border control was overloaded and relaxing passport checks for low risk cases at peak time, decided to solve the problem by firing the guy in charge and forcing checks to never be relaxed. Result: planes stacking up in the sky because the queues at border control were too long. Prime Minister summons her and gives her a right ass-kicking and now risk-based enforcement is back on the table.
It will be tempting for Slashdot posters to over-generalize from this case to try and make sweeping statements about the entire UK or British people (just as it's tempting to do the same about Americans when the US Govt does something retarded). But the core problem in this case really boils down to one woman and her arbitrary and inconsistent management of the borders.
They've been excluding a lot of people recently for very silly reasons. Apparently someone have been given more power then they have wit to manage and they're basically going power mad. It's one thing if you're excluding people that present a public risk. It's another if the reasons are totally arbitrary.
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Special Ops training for cops?
I think the reason may have more to do with this (from TFA):
A visit in 2009 to Slough, in Berkshire, where Mr Larkin held a class intended to teach how to "maim and kill in self-defence", provoked widespread condemnation from the community.
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He is speaking in two areas that were affected by riots in 2011. In these riots, almost half of the rioters were Black (see wikipedia). Therefore in the twisted minds of the UK authorities, teaching people in areas affected by riots to defend themselves is equivalent to racism and extremism.
from TFA:
The section of TFA that you quoted shows not the slightest hint of a mention of racism or extremism.
Did you copy the wrong sentence, or are you just making shit up?
Who's he kidding? The UK Border Agency would be irrelevant to Chuck Norris.
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"making shit up" is not very smart.
Since thats exactly what you did...
Does your understanding include the fact that Labour got booted out over a year ago?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
He advocated using force against the British police and he asks people to use lethal force despite it being illegal in the UK.
Maiming and killing in self defence is sometimes necessary. Unprovoked violent attacks to happen. On the rare chance that such a situation were to occur, I would like to be able to defend myself or my friends and family. Yes, you can study many martial arts and sports in the UK already, but they are of limited use in an actual street fight. There are no tap outs, there's no "soft" canvas mat, no ref to tell the guy he can't use that broken bottle to gut you.
Ultimately, however, this is not the point. This man will teach a civilian how to cause serious injuries to a person, but we let these same people point 2 tonnes of motorised steel around our roads on a daily basis, operate plant machinery which can destroy whole buildings, run our healthcare infrastructure. Learning how to do something dangerous doesn't mean they will employ that knowledge improperly. These people are still culpable for their actions.
Ultimately all the government is done is prevent the spread of knowledge.
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First, the word SEAL is an abbreviation and is therefore capitalized. Also, Tim Larkin was never a Navy SEAL according to real US Navy SEAL authenticators. He dropped out of BUD/S and therefore never qualified as a SEAL. He's been lying about his service for years.
Proof: http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=47063
And the USA bans people from entering because they send tweets about partying. So what ?
Sovereign nations decide who gets to come in. Nothing new here.
Only an American would call the current UK Government "left-wing".
The last time the UK had an actual left-wing Government was sometime back in the '70s. Like most of the Anglosphere, it's been moving further and further to the right for decades.
Amen. This is why cases of intentional homicide per capita are four times higher in the UK than the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Oh no, wait a second. It's the US where more people are intentionally murdered. Guess all that self-defence didn't really pay off...
++ Say to Elrond "Hello.".
Elrond says "No.". Elrond gives you some lunch.
Wait, what? "It's the law, so shut your mouth, citizen"? If you're British, your country has more issues than I thought...
Great Intellect...
I've been mugged twice. Once at college, once while walking to a friend's house. He wants money; Give it to him. You have more. You don't have any more eyes or livers; Don't risk them for trinkets.
What you can do to prevent this is to make yourself look less of a target; Walk with your head up and your shoulders back, don't walk too fast, don't play with your iPhone walking down a dark alley. Hell, roll up your jumper sleeves under your jacket to make it look like you have jock's biceps. With any luck it'll be enough.
New situation; You are confronted with a drunk man waving a knife. He thinks you stole his wallet. He's not listening to reason, and he's blocking your escape. Do you get stabbed? I don't, I employ one of those life-threatening-situation-only techniques this guy taught me. The drunk gets a hospital trip and I get a day in court, but at least I'm alive.
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Self-defence courses are entirely legal in the UK. What this man is advocating is a form of self-defence that involves disproportionate, extreme violence. Under British law, defence has to be proportionate to the threat - you can kill a person who is attempting to kill you, but you don't have the right to kill a person who only slaps you. The British police have warned that these "self-defence" courses are teaching non-legal self-defence, and that the people who use these methods will be prosecuted and likely land up in jail.
Would the U.S. authorities actually allow a "celebrity" foreigner who advocates and teaches illegal violence to enter the country? It seems U.S. authorities routinely reject people for much lesser reasons, like a Twitter post, being friends with some bikers, minor drugs use etc. Heck, until Obama overturned it, even HIV sufferers couldn't enter the U.S.