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FDA Cracking Down On X-ray Exposure For Kids

ericjones12398 writes "The Food and Drug Administration is proposing that manufacturers of X-ray machines and CT scanners do more to protect children from radiation exposure. If companies don't take steps to limit X-ray doses, the agency may require a label on their new equipment recommending it not be used on children. X-rays and CT scans can provide doctors with lots of useful information. But the radiation that creates the helpful images also increases a person's risk for cancer. There's been an explosion in the use of imaging tests. And rising radiation doses, particularly from CT scans, have drawn concern. The cancer risk increases with the dose of X-rays received during a person's lifetime, so kids' exposure is particularly important. It's also the case that children are more sensitive to X-ray damage. The FDA is also telling parents to speak up. If a doctor orders a test or procedure that uses X-rays, parents shouldn't be afraid to ask if it's really necessary. Also, it doesn't hurt to ask if there's an acceptable alternative, such as ultrasound or MRI, that doesn't rely on X-rays."

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  1. Growth by Hatta · · Score: 4, Informative

    Radiation will be especially bad for children, since any mutation their cells acquire will be passed on to all daughter cells. For a growing child that will be a lot more cells than for adults who are only replacing their cells.

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  2. Can we please... by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...insist on these rules also applying to the TSA?

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    1. Re:Can we please... by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

      I'm at odds on this acknowledgement. Irradiating childtren; or Adults, at will, groping them. Which is the lessor of the 2 evils?

    2. Re:Can we please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Perhaps the fact that the TSA scanners are NOT regulated by the FDA, not certified by them, nor do they license their operators, might change your mind.

    3. Re:Can we please... by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm not conflicted at all. Forcing kids to experience pat-downs just might anger the public enough to force our government to eliminate the bulls**t.

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    4. Re:Can we please... by jimmy_dean · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not conflicted at all. Forcing kids to experience pat-downs just might anger the public enough to force our government to eliminate the bulls**t.

      I couldn't agree more. The TSA costs way too much money, violates far too many freedoms, and produces nothing more than FUD. I would seriously like to see the TSA removed and each airport and airline worry about their own security.

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    5. Re:Can we please... by miknix · · Score: 2

      What can possibly go wrong? I hang my balls everyday in front of a CRT monitor connected to a megavolt power supply, in fact its a pretty good contraceptive :P

    6. Re:Can we please... by Keith111 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure that suicide or other maligned conditions affect people who have been exposed to molestation as a child more often than it does those who have not. In the future it's probably going to be easier to cure cancer than it is to repair a totally screwed childhood.

    7. Re:Can we please... by KhabaLox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure that suicide or other maligned conditions affect people who have been exposed to molestation as a child more often than it does those who have not.
      In the future it's probably going to be easier to cure cancer than it is to repair a totally screwed childhood.

      Are you seriously comparing full-on, bare genital contact, sexual molestation with over the clothes pat-downs performed in public spaces within sight of a parent?

      I'm no fan of the TSA or their security procedures, but this kind of hyperbole doesn't help your argument. I'd much rather my children get the pat down, though each time they've flown through LAX they get sent to the old style metal detectors, while I got sent through the backscatter* (or mm-wave or whatever it is).

      *Next time, I'm asking for the pat-down.

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    8. Re:Can we please... by Xenkar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually sir, I have two genetic disorders, Hemophilia and Osteochondroma.

      The Hemophilia basically means my blood clotting proteins are ineffective and thus it takes me longer to stop bleeding and then to heal.

      The Osteochrondoma causes a variety of non-cancerous bone tumors to grow near joints during the bone growth phase. They can be in many different shapes and sizes.

      The groping/padding down can cause a bone tumor to break, which can cause me to bleed to death if it manages to puncture an artery. Chances are I'll be dead before they get me to a hospital.

      The radiation from the scanners can cause my bone tumors to become cancerous. If this happens, I'm pretty much sentenced to a long and painful death.

    9. Re:Can we please... by Obfuscant · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would seriously like to see the TSA removed and each airport and airline worry about their own security.

      If it wasn't trivial to move about after passing the security screening, I might agree. Since someone who flys airline X can freely mingle with someone who flies on Y, if X has lax security then so do, effectively, Y. Same for the issue of mixing people between airports. If airport X has no security and Y does, the first plane to land at Y that came from X means Y also has no security.

      Much worse was the kind of issue created when England temporarily enacted really draconian security policy. If you weren't aware of the nutiness, you could get on an airplane going there and then not be able to carry your stuff back out. My boss was stuck like that. He carried his laptop in but couldn't leave with it. If airlines were each responsible for their own, you could start a trip with a really nice laptop and expensive electronic gadgets, only to have them confiscated when you were trying to make your connection on a different airline. Trying to make a 45 minute connection at a distant airport is the worst time to find out that you can neither carry on that electronic device nor check it.

      Not saying that TSA is not a problem, just that the solution is not a mishmash of mix and match systems. There needs to be national standards and a national implementation.

    10. Re:Can we please... by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Funny

      What can possibly go wrong? I hang my balls everyday in front of a CRT monitor connected to a megavolt power supply, in fact its a pretty good contraceptive :P

      And it works even better on the days you forget to retrieve them and take them home with you, right? I can hear it now, in the car on the way home, "Damn, I've got an itch and no place to scratch."

    11. Re:Can we please... by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then support this... http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/75896.html

      I know... Oh, those crazy Pauls... Always coming up with those crazy political ideas. I mean just crazy, like this one. Eliminate the TSA... That's just crazy! I mean what would we... I mean, what... Uh... OK, they may not be that crazy after all.

    12. Re:Can we please... by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, a pat-down search is not rape.

      Rape requires a sexual act.

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    13. Re:Can we please... by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I can go to prison for doing it to a high school girl, it is rape.

    14. Re:Can we please... by wvmarle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But but but.... that would mean you're supporting a REPUBLICAN? Do I see that correctly? You must be a Republican. Or how could any Democrat in their right mind support a Republican, even when their ideas make sense for a change?

      OK I'm not an American but that's my view of America's super-partisan "as long as it's one of us" politics. Switch Republican and Democrat at will. And it's also why I don't think this TSA-abolishment will happen any time soon, because if one side wants it the other side is automatically against.

    15. Re:Can we please... by element-o.p. · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I call B.S. on that logic. If we assume that all 631,939,829 passengers who flew in 2010 is a fair average for how many people fly per year (and according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics it seems to be accurate for 2011 and the projected 2012 stats), then that's over 7,000,000,000 passengers since 9/11. On 9/11, there were what, fifteen hijackers? We've seen two underwear bombers and one shoe bomber since then. Am I missing any other would-be terrorists? If not, that makes a grand total of...


      Wait for it...


      18 out of over seven billion passengers who are (were) terrorists. In other words, stopping and searching every airline passenger gives you a one in 388 million chance of actually catching a terrorist. Pick any other crime and tell the public that you'll have a one in 388 million chance of catching a bad guy if they would just allow the cops to stop and search people at random, and there would be torches and pitchforks marching towards D.C. Yet we think that's "reasonable" when we want to get on an airplane?!?!

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    16. Re:Can we please... by fuzzlost · · Score: 2

      It's a huge problem in American politics. There was a chart (I don't have it handy) that showed how U.S. senators switched party lines when voting. 20 years ago, it was a pretty mixed bag, but now, almost no senator votes against party lines. The polarization of the two parties is really intense, studded very heavily with a "If you don't agree with me, you're my enemy" mentality. It also makes it so someone cannot be on the fence regarding an issue. This is no middle ground, you're either for it or against it. If you were to say, "You know, I'm not sure, I'd have to research the issue and think about it a bit," during a political discussion, you'd garner some mighty weird looks.

  3. Focus on TSA too by lavagolemking · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I realize this may not be possible because they'd be costing Chertoff ^W^W sympathizing with terrorists, but the FDA should work on TSA body scanners too while they're at it. In medicine, doctors are at least remotely concerned about how much radiation people are exposed to. The TSA is only concerned with keeping people in line, maintaining a security theater, and spending/receiving lots of public money. Limiting children's exposure to X-rays is a respectable, important cause, and not all children will travel by air, but it will all be wasted if the kids run through too many body scanners with traveling parents. Plus, parents will probably not know anything about body scanners, and will believe the TSA agents when they say the scanners are "perfectly safe".

  4. Sorry... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 5, Funny

    Also, it doesn't hurt to ask if there's an acceptable alternative, such as ultrasound or MRI, that doesn't rely on X-rays.

    "There is, but it is not covered by your health insurance."

    1. Re:Sorry... by KhabaLox · · Score: 2

      Why is this modded Funny and not Insightful?

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    2. Re:Sorry... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

      Keep in mind that insurance companies are aware that if you get cancer from the X rays, they'll be on the hook for chemo, surgery, and rad therapy which can easily run into the $250,000+ range [...]

      But by the time you get cancer (remember, it's not one X-Ray, it's lots of X-Rays), you'll have a different company by then. Or they'll come up with some other excuse to drop you...

  5. Interesting problem by jd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The "ideal" would be to add a stipulation that no provider (be they medical or otherwise) is permitted to cause the person to exceed the stipulated yearly dose without informed consent, with total dosage accumulated to that point being recorded by the provider before and after a scan.

    What I do not see is any way you could possibly achieve this, without being incredibly invasive and/or potentially causing worse side-effects.

    Nonetheless, the goal should be to not merely ensure individual scans are given responsibly but that the cumulation of scans is also being done responsibly. That's much harder to do, since human memory isn't reliable and patients can't possibly know what they've been exposed to up to that point (especially in the case of TSA scans). It doesn't matter if individual scans are relatively harmless, it's the dosage per unit time that matters.

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    1. Re:Interesting problem by XFire35 · · Score: 2

      This is where the US is somewhat 'backwards' compared to other countries in regards to ionising radiation (IR) legislation. In the UK the Ionising Radiation (Medical Exposure) Regulations 2000 and its amendments legally requires (when at all possible) that non-ionising imaging modalities be used. There may also be (not entirely certain) a legal requirement to monitor dose given to patients during an examination (however, this is complicated in CT examinations due to how the machine operates and the numerous ways in which dose can be operated) which is performed normally by imputing the dose on the same computer system as the other patient's information. Additionally, there is legal obligation for those who carry out the examination (the operator) to have sufficient knowledge of what they are doing to deem the exam justifiable or not; the operator may include Radiographers (in the case of Radiographers, most of whom are going to be performing the CT, X-ray, MR or US exam they may refer to a Radiologist if they are uncertain to whether it should be performed or not). Another part of justification is viewing the patient's exam history; now because hospitals are linked electronically, it's relatively trivial to transmit images via a PACS system to another hospital, so if the patient had a CT head three weeks ago, the exam need not be repeated and really ought not to be unless the patient's condition has dramatically changed or if it is an acute case. Once again, the information can be stored on a computer and retrieved easily time and time again preventing the patient from being over-exposed. Then there are the ALARA and ALARP principles regarding dose and exams - "as low as reasonably achievable" and "as low as reasonably practicable" which basically are self-explanatory. It's not as simple as saying that there should be a dose limit for patients and that should not be exceeded. What if there is an obese patient, who will not fit in an MR machine, thus a CT machine must be used has cancer? From the staging and monitoring of the cancer his dose is likely to exceed the limit very rapidly. Patients in theatre or a Cath lab having an operation or pace-maker inserted can have doses in excess of 1000cGy due to complications of the exam or difficulty due to patient. So having a limit for people who may need repeated exposure to monitor and track pathological changes isn't entirely sensible (nor is it not without merit either). Again considering patients: with an MR scan the child has to be as still as possible - if it's a small child or an uncooperative one (let's face it a child being caged in the MR coil, fed through the bore and lying around in an environment which has incredibly loud knocking noises ongoing for 20+ mins isn't great if you're a child) moves even slightly it can corrupt the entire scan sequence being undertaken due to how the images are obtained (k-space filling); whereas a CT can reasonably scan the entire body in a few seconds. Additionally, MR, nor US can be used to image the lungs so if the child (or patient) has lung pathologies it can't be demonstrated, therefore an ionising modality has to be used. Once again, the referring clinician should be considering these things when requesting the exam and other doctors (Radiologists) or Radiographers should be vetting these to ensure that they are deemed suitable Quite frankly, the machines for the most part shouldn't be protecting the child in question - the operator of the machine should have sufficient knowledge to know how to use the machine (especially in the plain-film role) that they shouldn't be exposing if they do not; this again is in addition to other healthcare professionals doing what they ought to be doing. It's not as easy as saying ionising radiation = evil. Any doctor requesting the exam should be aware of the dangers of what they are wanting to put the patient through and the risk-benefit should be determined. Other measures such as operators having to justify the exam; exams being vetted and protocoled by a Radiologist prior to the exam c

  6. Image Gently by Nemo137 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's worth noting that the Society for Pediatric Radiology has had a campaign (http://www.pedrad.org/associations/5364/ig/) called Image Gently for a couple years now to raise awareness of this in the radiology community, and in general the trend us towards doing more with MRIs, especially with children.

    1. Re:Image Gently by Kaenneth · · Score: 3, Funny

      After my daughter swallowed some magnets, the stupid doctors refused to do an MRI instead of X-Rays.

      Also: Vaccinations Bad!

  7. and then... by englishknnigits · · Score: 2

    see your monthly premiums go up in response. There are always trade offs and safety is a frequent one in pretty much every aspect of people's lives. If this is the type of thing where 1 in a million kids might get cancer because of x-rays over more expensive alternatives then it may not be worth switching. Money spent treating the 999,999 kids that are unaffected with the more expensive option could possibly be put to better uses. I am not saying whether or not it is worth it in this case because I have absolutely no idea. I don't know what the chances of problems arising are or the comparative costs of the safer alternatives. What I am saying is that it isn't just a matter of "always use the safer method."

    1. Re:and then... by girlintraining · · Score: 2, Insightful

      see your monthly premiums go up in response.

      They'd go up anyway. They've been rising at about 1,200% of the inflation rate since... well, the day they went into business. And it has nothing to do with the costs of medicine and more to do with shitty management and administration.

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    2. Re:and then... by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well...that is true...but forcing them to use more expensive treatments would make it go up even more.

      Not true. Every law that has increased your safety came on the cries of "It'll ruin us!" by the businesses who were tasked with improving safety. Air bags, antilock brakes, refridgeration of food, OSHA... every last one of them had a business using that argument. I have yet to see a case of an industry winking out of existance because the government demanded a more stringent safety standard.

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  8. Re:FDA? by Tackhead · · Score: 2

    Last time I checked neither x-ray machines nor CT scanners are considered food or drug so why is the FDA involved? I could see the FCC or OSHA but not FDA.

    In addition to drugs, the FDA is also responsible for clearing medical products and devices.

    Here's this year's list of newly-approved devices so far. If you're going to stick it in your coronary artery, your cardiologist probably wants to know that people smarter than him have spent a lot of time asking a lot of hard questions about it.

    Not every device gets the full treatment. But even if you're coming up with a minor tweak to something that's comparatively low risk, it must be cleared under section 510(k): last month's cleared devices. The paperwork's simple compared to a new device approval, but even the 510(k) clearance process means that something as simple as "STERILE LUBRICATING JELLY" is sterile, biocompatible, made in a factory that follows good manufacturing processes, etc.

    If it sounds like a horrendous amount of paperwork, well, it is. But the alternative - random uncleared devices without even the practicioner knowing what's in them - is far, far worse. There's a reason that both prescription and over-the-counter medications have standard packaging and labeling requirements, undergo multiyear-long clinical studies, and take the better part of a billion dollars and a decade to bring to market, and why quack 'supplements' advertised on TV and in your email's spam filter have a big disclaimer that "this product is not intended for the diagnosis and treatment of any disease".

    If it sounds like TSA used the loophole of "these backscatter X-ray machines aren't intended for the diagnosis and treatment of any disease" in order to circumvent FDA scrutiny, well, I'd have to agree with you there, too. But what's more important: the health of the traveling public, or securing cushy careers for HomeSec bureaucrats?

  9. Re:Parents? by mpoulton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the doctor doesn't need to do an x-ray, then performing one is negligent.

    It's nowhere near that simple. Like most medical procedures, imaging has costs (in a medical sense) and benefits. The medical "cost" of performing a few radiographs of a potentially broken limb are very low, but the diagnostic benefit is very high. The medical "cost" of doing a thoracic CT is significant enough that every radiologist thinks it over in some detail before ordering one - the radiation dose is several orders of magnitude higher than a single peripheral radiograph. However, the diagnostic benefit in many circumstances is so thoroughly outweighed by the tiny risk of cancer that the CT is often worthwhile. There are many borderline circumstances though, where it's simply a judgment call as to whether the radiation dose is worthwhile to obtain the image. What about a person who loses consciousness and falls, doesn't remember whether he hit is head, but shows no signs of brain injury? Is a head CT worthwhile? Most ER docs say yes, but some would wait and see if any neurological symptoms appear. The increased cancer risk from radio-imaging in children has to be balanced against the increased sensitivity of children to injury, the difficulty of using other (more subjective) non-imaging diagnostic approaches with children, and the increased impact on quality of life of a missed diagnosis in a child. Bottom line: There is no clear answer as to whether radiological imaging is worth the risk in some cases. I tend to believe that radiation exposure is less harmful than most people make it out to be, and that the established limits for exposure are already extremely cautious, and there's little reason to avoid most imaging procedures. At the same time, I am reluctant to get repeated abdominal CT's for my kidney stones because I know that if the procedure is repeated every time I have a problem my cumulative exposure will eventually be very substantial.

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  10. Dose from CT scans is vastly larger... by JayBat · · Score: 4, Informative
    The radiation dose from a properly functioning backscatter xray full-body scanner is about 0.6 Sv. The dose from a properly functioning chest CT scan is about 7mSv, 10000x larger.

    (Doesn't change my opinion that all full-body airport scanners are a waste of money, and xray backscatter scanners in particular should be banned.)

    But the FDA is right to focus on over-prescribed medical xray procedures.

    1. Re:Dose from CT scans is vastly larger... by JayBat · · Score: 3, Informative

      Heh, Slashdot silently swallowed my carefully crafted "mu". That should be 0.6e-06 Sv.

    2. Re:Dose from CT scans is vastly larger... by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The radiation dose from a properly functioning backscatter xray full-body scanner is about 0.6 Sv. The dose from a properly functioning chest CT scan is about 7mSv, 10000x larger.

      Assuming that it is working properly. And the FDA mandates frequent testing for their machines. How about the TSA? And do they actually do it?

    3. Re:Dose from CT scans is vastly larger... by profplump · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And when the TSA starts preforming regular testing of their machines by an independent contractor, installing "x-ray on" indicators, training staff on the dangers of ionizing radiation, providing staff with personal safety equipment, and otherwise taking all the other basic precautions that every other industry using ionizing radiation already take, then we can talk about the relative danger, and compare it to the benefit.

      Until then we can only assume that the TSA is operating death-rays, because the machines they're running are inherently dangerous and they can't be bothered to install basic safeguards.

  11. FDA is going to cause more harm than good by russotto · · Score: 2

    The FDA can regulate medical equipment, but it can't regulate the practice of medicine. So if these rules are too onerous, medical equipment manufactures will just label the machines as not for use on children (and likely take out any canned child-specific protocols), and doctors will continue to use the machines on children. In the middle ground, if the rules aren't too hard for the manufacturers to follow, but they cause the images to be poor, doctors and technologists will modify the protocols or use adult protocols on children. And if they're no different than what is done now, what's the point?

    If there's really a problem with the protocols being such that the dose to children is higher than necessary to make good images, both manufacturers AND radiologists have to be involved in the solution.

  12. They irradiate you then they grope you by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And that what TSA is all about

    It's not about terrorism, it's not about security, it's about numbing the public through excessive harassment

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  13. Re:Parents? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    Here is a classic problem: Right lower quadrant pain and fever in a child or adolescent. The diagnosis that comes to mind is appendicitis, but not every case of right lower quadrant pain and fever is appendicitis. You don't want to miss this diagnosis - if the appendix ruptures it spills bacteria all throughout the abdomen causing a significant amount of morbidity and possibly mortality.

    The classic diagnostic method was history, physical examination and a couple of lab tests. In most cases, this worked out pretty well. The missed appendicitis rate was pretty low but the false positive rate - the number of times you operated on somebody who didn't have appendicitis was about 10%. Not the end of the world - it's a simple surgery and the vast majority of times it is uncomplicated but in the best possible world, you would not operate on somebody unless you really needed to.

    A CT scan decreases the false positive rate to something like 1 - 2 % and the false negative rate to about the same. Significantly better than before, BUT with the caveat of additional radiation and in the case of women, radiation to the gonadal structures. Ultrasound (no radiation) is another way to do the test but it's results are often quite variable, depending on the skill of the operator and the size of the patient.

    And, experience in Europe seems to indicate that a significant number of patients can be treated successfully with just antibiotics and no surgery.

    So, the decision on how to proceed in a patient whom you suspect has appendicitis is not simple indeed. What the FDA is doing is waving the radiation flag around and saying 'look at me - look at me carefully'.

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  14. On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a trauma ER nurse who just last night treated a 3 year-old who fell 35 feet out of her apartment window, I agree with the sentiment of the effort without agreeing with the implementation.

    Sometimes, the extended waiting and confusion caused by more red tape can destroy a child's life sooner and with more pain than the possibility of radiation exposure.

    If we had to produce written statements, warnings, and consents instead of a verbal okay from the parents last night before that girl's CT and head to toe X-rays, the case may have turned out with a funeral this weekend.

    You know what can cause lifelong problems in the development of a child? An undiagnosed femur or C-spine fracture with a delay in assessment of an abdominal bleed.

  15. Surprise! Inconsistent Positions by Compulawyer · · Score: 2

    Because we all know that all the agencies of the US Government work together seamlessly to develop and implement policy:

    FDA: Protect the children from radiation

    TSA: Protecting the public from terrorists requires us to irradiate the public

    FDA: Radiation is bad

    TSA: Radiation is good

    FDA: Too much radiation for kids is bad

    TSA: Radiation is harmless

    FDA: Think of the children!

    TSA: The children might be terrorists

    Anyone else surprised?

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