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Apple Gives In, Drops iPad '4G' Tag To Avoid Lawsuits

Back in March, Apple was sued in Australia and criticized in Europe over its marketing of the iPad as supporting 4G speeds when it only did so in the U.S. and Canada. Now, reader TheGift73 writes with news that Apple has given in and changed the 'Wi-Fi + 4G' label to 'Wi-Fi + Cellular.' From the article: "In the U.K., a number of complaints by customers pushed the ASA into acting against Apple for its misleading advertisements. The regulator had received 'dozens of complaints' from customers, and had pushed for Apple to remove any mentions of '4G' from its websites. It should come as little surprise considering Britain has yet to see its mobile networks divide up its 4G spectrum without bickering furiously about it. Some networks had even opted to avoid litigation directed at them by including stickers to inform potential buyers that the new iPad will not work on existing 4G networks, or even 4G networks that don't even exist yet. This should come as bittersweet news for consumers. Apple has already sold millions of iPads across the U.K., Europe and Australia, while the vast majority are unaware that they will not be able to connect to high-speed mobile broadband networks."

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  1. This just in. by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Americans are slowly waking up to the fact that their mobile networks, internet access, and communications facilities are all crap compared to the rest of the world. Just wait until they find out that a farmer in rural China can get better cell phone service and a cheaper plan than they can in one of the large US cities...

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    1. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is in regard to the iPad not communicating on European networks.

      In other words, RTFA.

    2. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a farmer in rural China can get better cell phone service and a cheaper plan than they can in one of the large US cities...

      You left off "for a mere fraction of the price".

    3. Re:This just in. by Tough+Love · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Americans are slowly waking up to the fact that their mobile networks, internet access, and communications facilities are all crap compared to the rest of the world.

      You would think so, wouldn't you? But think about this: not even 30% of Americans have passports. Very few Americans even know that their sim cards won't work outside the country. If they find out they typically don't care.

      And you forgot, America is paradise. The home of everything that is good and beautiful about technology and consumer gadgets. America is the land of the free. You just have it all wrong, bad you.

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    4. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      and to make matters worse, their gigabits were running slower than ever!

      I couldn't believe how fast their gigabits were running

      Your gigabits and speed will be overclocking and running at maximum efficiency!

      Lol.
      I wonder if it's worth spamming this shit on /. considering most people here are educated enough to know it's bullshit.

    5. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Americans are slowly waking up to the fact that their mobile networks, internet access, and communications facilities are all crap compared to the rest of the world. Just wait until they find out that a farmer in rural China can get better cell phone service and a cheaper plan than they can in one of the large US cities...

      So... this is a story about an arrogant US media electronics company being sued by Australians and Europeans because they label a gadget as "4G" in said markets despite not being compatible with those networks... aaaaaaaand somehow this makes Americans "wake up" to the fact that cell service is better in other countries... and something something rural China, USA baaaaad [grunt noise here] just for good measure?

      Yeah. That's fully coherent. We'll... we'll go with that and give it all the concern it merits.

      What were you talking about again? I forgot.

    6. Re:This just in. by WillDraven · · Score: 2

      What sim card?

      Most of the phones here are hard-coded to only work on a single carriers network, whose support line you have to call in order to switch to a new handset.

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    7. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      yeah right. Every time I went back to China (I'm Chinese), I'm supprised that they have better cell service than I do and much much cheaper price! My relatives using iPad 3G in car on freeway skype with me! He is not even in city.

    8. Re:This just in. by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      Just wait until they find out that a farmer in rural China can get better cell phone service and a cheaper plan than they can in one of the large US cities...

      Take a land area about the size of the US. Now cram in a billion or so additional subscribers. Now grant a monopoly on spectrum to two state-owned telecommunications companies, and let them put towers anywhere they please.

      But otherwise the countries are ridiculously similar markets.

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    9. Re:This just in. by philip.paradis · · Score: 4, Informative

      These spamming assholes are promoting a site operated by a company called CyberDefender. Everyone should contact them via phone and fax to let them know what massive piles of shit they are.

      To save everyone some site, here's the contact information listed on the linked page:

      CyberDefender Corp.
      617 West 7th Street
      Los Angeles, CA 90017
      Phone: (213) 689-8631
      Fax: (213) 689-8639

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    10. Re:This just in. by Lisias · · Score: 1

      And you forgot, America is paradise. The home of everything that is good and beautiful about technology and consumer gadgets. America is the land of the free. You just have it all wrong, bad you.

      You're holding it the wrong way!

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    11. Re:This just in. by omfgnosis · · Score: 0, Offtopic

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    12. Re:This just in. by jaymz666 · · Score: 1

      and better food...

    13. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a farmer in rural China can get better cell phone service and a cheaper plan than they can in one of the large US cities...

      You left off "for a mere fraction of the price".

      Apparently "a cheaper plan" confused you. Note: Its in your own quote.

    14. Re:This just in. by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Well, basically, America is the Marketing Department for China Inc. So obviously America is best and everthing else is bad. That is how marketing works.

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    15. Re:This just in. by risom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I take your population density argument and give you norway: 80mbit for about 60 Euros a month :)

      (Norway has one third of the population density of the US).

    16. Re:This just in. by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Americans are slowly waking up to the fact that their mobile networks, internet access, and communications facilities are all crap compared to the rest of the world.

      I can't speak for Asia, but European networks use standardized technology and the markets are regulated. That's government intervention, which is the same as commienizerm. Commienizerm makes baby Jebus weep.

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    17. Re:This just in. by catmistake · · Score: 3, Funny

      this is a story about an arrogant US media electronics company being sued by Australians and Europeans because they label a gadget as "4G" in said markets despite not being compatible with those networks

      I think I remember a similar story involving an American that sued Porsche, which claimed their 959 model as the fastest street car made. He sued for false advertising because when he had it shipped and it finally arrived in the US, it wasn't deemed street-legal because the bumpers were too low to the ground, and the national speed limit at the time was 55MPH... so not only couldn't he drive it on the street, it could only go as fast as every other car. Bad Porsche marketing jerks!

    18. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, which legislation stops you from using iPad LTE in Australia except for laws of physics?

      That Hertz guy must be in the bed with Google, they lobbied for the law that forbids 700MHz iPad to connect to 1800MHz Telstra's networks!

      But of course just like in that Porsche case if you'd ignore that law and just floor the pedal^W^W^Wtell it to connect in a really strict voice you'd get the advertised functionality.

      Yup, totally the same case.

    19. Re:This just in. by catmistake · · Score: 1

      I don't get it. Why don't they sue the Australian cell providers? Aren't they just as much to blame as Apple? Just hypothetically speaking, what if the Australian providers only offered 4G in a band that no cell device manufacturers could interface with? Would Apple still be considered falsely advertising 4G?

    20. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And there is so much to be proud of in Europe: economic stagnation, economic collapse, xenophobia, discrimination, and a long and rich history of feudalism, imperialism, religious wars, genocide and totalitarianism.

      And Europe is totally unique in that regard! I know I'm feeding but
      - economy: the last major depressions have started in the USA.
      - economic collapse: at least the EU is working to have its budget deficit removed.
      - xenophobia: the USA doesn't have a Westborough church, KKK, private militias, and people from the USA can generally point out any given country on a world map. right?
      - discrimination: the US was the last civilized country to have institutionalized discrimination. Ms Rosa Parks anyone?
      - feudalism: won't even touch the subject with regard to US society but think of how you treat your (former) criminals.
      - imperialism: no no sir the US does not have imperialist politics! no international army presence no sir!
      - religious wars: didn't we have a decade of the USA vs Islam?
      - genocide: there is a debate if killing 1000s of unsuspecting soldiers (drafted by their dictators) by just sending in very advanced weaponry, missiles is a form of genocide.
      - totalitarianism: there are no states in the US trying to control what science can be taught in schools, right? Or try to be different in the US, like being openly gay, leftish or green.

      You described common treats in all human societies. Yes we are that bad. Now get off my lawn.

    21. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, if they would be advertising 4G in Australia.

      You're not selling something "in the world", you're selling it in USA, Saudi Arabia, Canada, France, UK, Russia, Germany, Uzbekistan, Sweden, China, Zimbabwe, ... Each market needs some amount of localization for marketing materials, starting from translation, obviously, and up to accounting for cultural differences. Removing feature that is physically unavailable in the country from the feature list is not something extraordinary, it's just common sense.

    22. Re:This just in. by hairyfish · · Score: 2

      Ah that wonderful European arrogance and sarcasm

      You do know there's other countries in the world outside of the US and Europe right?

    23. Re:This just in. by catmistake · · Score: 1

      Removing feature that is physically unavailable in the country from the feature list is not something extraordinary, it's just common sense.

      At the risk of sounding like a zealot, it also seems common sense to me that if a device is the same device everywhere, either it contains 4th generation cell technology or it does not. Do astronauts get to sue Apple, too, if they discover their 4G iPad doesn't work in orbit? If we return to my Porsche metaphor (which I completely made up to make a point, btw)... is Porsche responsible for a country not having any paved roads? It should be clear that regardless of a country's cell infrastructure, a product has the technology it has... will the Apple consumers in Australia promise not to use the 4G technology in iPad if they visit the US? Seems to me Apple didn't need to change the tag, but merely add an asterisk and disclaimer that not all 4G cell networks support the specific 4G cell tech in iPad.

      Nowadays, we have cell coverage almost everywhere, but not long ago, good cell coverage was only in populated areas, yet all cell manufacturers and cell providers commonly advertised "call from anywhere." I haven't heard of any domestic lawsuits from cell phone consumers living in the Badlands, or whatever mountainous or valley or wooded region where reception is impossible due to obstruction suing or even threatening to sue. And I'll bet that even in Australia, all cell reception is limited to within range of where the cell towers are. Do the AU providers put towers all the way through the Outback? Then why aren't they threatening to sue other cell device manufacturers because the laws of physics prevent reception in the middle of an enourmous desert, a thousand miles from the nearest tower?

    24. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is just all sorts of retardism going on in this thread. The OP doesn't even know what the article is about, and you obviously can't read for shit either. And here I am making up words like "retardism" to add to the retardism.

    25. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "And Americans need passports much less because they can travel throughout a huge continent without one. Europe"

      You should lookup "Schengen area" if you finally get your head out of your ass.

    26. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      First, I don't think they ever advertised it as simply "contains 4G technology"

      Second, fine print is not an indulgence. You can't just write "0 calories! Even if you buy 100 pounds of our Cholesterine Paradise Bacon, you aren't facing any health problems!" and add a fine print "(provided you won't eat it yourself)".

      Third, it's reasonable to expect people to move closer to a cell tower for cell reception or go to a race track with their Porsche to achieve advertised max speed. It's not reasonable to expect them to move to another country for cell reception or install a jet engine on their Porsche to achieve advertised max speed.

      Embellishing in adverts is ok - "Your teeth will shine!" (they're merely whiter), "Lightning fast Internet!" (I get 10Mbps max), promising undeliverable is not - "Cures cancer!" (it merely whites teeth), "Connect to 4G networks!" (after you annex Canada. Or US. Or just immigrate, that works too)

    27. Re:This just in. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      (Norway has one third of the population density of the US).

      Virtually all of Norway's citizens live in population centers. We have several times your entire population living in shitty little towns where AT&T owns all the fiber for the simple reason that no one else would bother to run anything to them but Ma Bell.

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    28. Re:This just in. by mrbester · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Do astronauts get to sue Apple, too, if they discover their 4G iPad doesn't work in orbit?"

      If it was advertised as being able to do so and thus a purchase decision was made because of that assertion, then I'd say yes.

      The iPad "4G" was advertised as working with UK 4G networks. It doesn't and never will.

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    29. Re:This just in. by SteveTheNewbie · · Score: 1

      Strange, my Telstra 4G LTE USB dongle seems to quite happily connect to and obtain 4G speeds (30Mbps down, 10Mbps up)

      I was unaware I was imagining this. Thanks for bringing it to my attention ! Also, Telstra are not turning off their 3G network, they are just not using 3G over the 2100Mhz band and keeping it on 850Mhz only.

    30. Re:This just in. by the_other_chewey · · Score: 2

      (Norway has one third of the population density of the US).

      Virtually all of Norway's citizens live in population centers. We have several times your entire population living in shitty little towns where AT&T owns all the fiber for the simple reason that no one else would bother to run anything to them but Ma Bell.

      That must be the reason why Norway has such bad mobile coverage.</sarcasm>
      And broadband isn't limited to population centers either: With a landline (available in every corner
      of the country), you can get DSL everywhere, and VDSL in lots of places, including tiny villages.

      And don't make me bring up Finland. There, you get 3G coverage on rural lakes .

    31. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America is the land of the free. You just have it all wrong, bad you.

      Ha Ha Ha Ho Ho He He yes ha ha ha nuff said ho ho ho Oh boy . You wont be able to cross a state line soon with out listing where and when you last had a shit and what you last shagged

    32. Re:This just in. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      My argument wasn't "population density". It was that the two markets are not even comparable. Only one of the reasons was population density.

      The government also owns whatever they say they own (including the phone companies) and can put towers in without any limitations at all. In the US, the individual mobile operators must bid for frequency, construct their network not to interfere with any other channels, acquire tower space somehow, link the towers into their network somehow, etc. It's much more ad hoc. Sometimes a big omnipotent entity with unlimited powers is more efficient, and it certainly doesn't hurt when there are a billion more customers served in the same area.

      I don't know why Norway has great cell service, but maybe if I have time I'll look into it.

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    33. Re:This just in. by jmac_the_man · · Score: 0
      What is wrong with you? Most of your points are insane?

      economic collapse: at least the EU is working to have its budget deficit removed.

      No they aren't. They're rejecting so-called austerity measures. (Note: Just raising taxes is not austerity. Spending cuts have to be part of the deal.) France just replaced a centrist with a socialist.

      - xenophobia: the USA doesn't have a Westborough church, KKK, private militias, and people from the USA can generally point out any given country on a world map. right?

      "Point to countries on a map" is a pretty stupid test of geography. It doesn't have anything to do with xenophobia. The WBC is not a xenophobic organization. They're an anti-gay organization, and they hate Americans for "supporting" gays. Also there's like 50 of them, tops. pointing to them and saying "this is what's wrong with America" is kind of dopey. The KKK and similar organizations (e.g. the Black Panthers) exist, but they don't have the ability to cause race riots, such as the ones France had a few years back?

      discrimination: the US was the last civilized country to have institutionalized discrimination. Ms Rosa Parks anyone?

      No, actually it wasn't. What about South Africa? Hell, France bans women from wearing Muslim headdresses and bans Mosques from being above a certain height, even while not banning Christian churches from being above that height. These laws are on the books TODAY!!!

      feudalism: won't even touch the subject with regard to US society but think of how you treat your (former) criminals.

      We don't make ex-cons work on land owned by a noble, so I have no idea what I'm supposed to be thinking about.

      imperialism: no no sir the US does not have imperialist politics! no international army presence no sir!

      With one exception, US troops are in other countries at the invitation of the host nation. In the case of Afghanistan, people attacked us and then hid in Afghanistan with the support of the Afghan government. We have the right to defend ourselves from attackers. Sorry.

      religious wars: didn't we have a decade of the USA vs Islam?

      No. See above.

      genocide: there is a debate if killing 1000s of unsuspecting soldiers (drafted by their dictators) by just sending in very advanced weaponry, missiles is a form of genocide.

      No there isn't. If they're uniformed enemy soldiers, killing them with non-barbaric weapons is by definition not a war crime. Also, in a genocide, you would have to be targeting an entire ethnic group, not just an army,

      totalitarianism: there are no states in the US trying to control what science can be taught in schools, right?

      Not totalitarianism. According to the Constitution, the states should be in charge of deciding EVERYTHING that is taught in schools. The federal government should have no part in it.

      Or try to be different in the US, like being openly gay, leftish or green.

      If you're a leftist in this country you can expect the media to cover for your mistakes and promote your moronic causes even when normal people hate you (like Occupy or Fast and Furious.) If you're green, you can expect 500 million in taxpayer loans that you never have to pay back because you have a stupid idea (Solyndra.) And if you're openly gay (and an asshole, mind you. Normal gay people don't do this) you can have support from the President while you bully schoolchildren for being religious.

      Are we talking about the same America?

    34. Re:This just in. by jonbryce · · Score: 2

      I think most people in the UK understand that there aren't any 4G networks yet and therefore won't be able to use it on them at the moment. What they don't necessarily understand is that the iPad won't work with the 4G networks in this country when they are rolled out.

    35. Re:This just in. by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      "And Americans need passports much less because they can travel throughout a huge continent without one."

      What's that got to do with anything? Australians have a huge continent they can travel throughout too, but near 90% of adult Australians have passports (and use them - one in four Australians goes overseas at least once a year). Similarly you don't need a passport to travel throughout the (large and diverse) Schengen Area in Europe, either, yet most Europeans carry passports.

      No, Americans don't travel for various reasons (having crappy entitlements to paid leave from work compared to all other OECD countries is the major one), but merely having access to a large 'home' continent is not one of them.

    36. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The WBC is not a xenophobic organization. They're an anti-gay organization, and they hate Americans for "supporting" gays. Also there's like 50 of them, tops. pointing to them and saying "this is what's wrong with America" is kind of dopey.

      An interesting thing about WBC is they are calvinist. A core belief is that who will be "saved" is predetermined and not anything anybody can change.

      Therefore all their demonstrations and publicity stunts are pointless since by their own belief system you cannot convert anybody as who is doomed or not is pre-ordained by god. Which pretty much leaves one unanswered question who won't they shut the fuck up and stop acting like dicks.

      I can just about handle most holy rollers trying to save my soul, because at least they have a faith that allows for me to be "saved" but WBC doesn't operate on that premise or it seems any standards of human decency at all. In fact they don't see the evil they do as any bar to entering heaven, I guess if god wanted them to act as civilised members of the human race he would have made them that way.

    37. Re:This just in. by catmistake · · Score: 1

      The iPad "4G" was advertised as working with UK 4G networks. It doesn't and never will.

      I don't think that's precisely accurate. More correctly, it was advertised as having 4G, i.e., 4th gen cell tech, which it does. It does not work with the particular and specific 4G networks in UK. I buy and eat english muffins all the time. Apparently, the joke is, no one in England has heard of them. French fries are an american delicacy... but you won't find them in France. Perhaps the rest of the world has never heard of the notion of "buyer beware."

      Apple should have made it clearer in countries with incompatible networks that, although the iPad certainly is a 4G device, i.e., contains 4th gen cell tech, (and this is true everywhere in the Universe), it doesn't contain the ability to connect to networks with which it is incompatible.

    38. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why it's misleading.

      "Come to our hotel and have sex with Nicole Kidman!" It's honest, you could totally fuck Nicole Kidman in that hotel. It just doesn't work with the particular and specific you, unless your name is Keith Urban, or at least Tom Cruise. But it's true, so come to our hotel.

    39. Re:This just in. by mrbester · · Score: 1

      We do know what English muffins are. We call them muffins. McDonalds calls them McMuffins. The French call French Fries pommes [de terre] frites.

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    40. Re:This just in. by catmistake · · Score: 1

      heh... I actually figured that.

      What I find anathema is the sudden sanctification of the moniker "4G," when there is no government oversight anywhere, no governement regulatory body, nor unbiased third-party international standards committee that decides how the nomenclature can be used. Certainly, Apple should inform users exactly which networks it can connect to, but its simply false to claim that the 4G iPad doesn't contain 4th gen cell tech . Remember when Turbo became popular? As I'm sure you are aware, a turbo is turbine driven by the exhaust of an engine that forces fresh air back into the engine giving a non-negligable boost in horsepower. That's great, except that nearly any other product can carry the name "turbo," even computers for a while had "turbo" buttons, when there was no turbine nor fuel combusting engine in sight. You think anyone is gonna try to sue Jaguar if they decide to jump on the popularity of the 4G moniker by calling their next beautiful and ridiculously unreliable coupe the "4G Jaguar?" My point is, Apple should not be held to a higher standard than every other manufacturer of anything. Consumers need to get wise, not more infantile.

    41. Re:This just in. by catmistake · · Score: 1

      Except that Apple isn't intentionally trying to mislead anyone. The 4G iPad contains 4th gen cell tech, even if the country the consumer lives in has absolutely no cell technology whatsoever. This is not deceptive nor misleading. Apple is of course obligated to explain to consumers exactly which networks iPad is able to interface with, but Apple isn't responsible for any particular country's choice of 4G networks. The complaint is singling out Apple and holding them to a higher standard than any other manufacturer of anything. And the entire idea of this threat of lawsuit is, frankly, whether they realize it or not, insulting to consumers... its self-debasing. "Hey! There's no fucking ham in this hamburger!" is actually a valid complaint. "Hey, this 4G iPad is incompatible with my country's 4G networks, so its not 4G!!" is really not. Its consumers insisting that they are too ignorant to pay attention to what they are buying.

    42. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either they are doing it intentionally or their marketing department is incompetent. Take your pick and stop apologising for them. If you advertise a feature your average consumer would expect it to work, this feature does not work at all in the countries they are advertising it in (the reasons why do not matter). Apple is not being singled out, any other company trying to pull this shit in countries with decent consumer protection laws (like the UK and Australia) would get the same treatment, the only special treatment Apple is getting is the media attention over it.

    43. Re:This just in. by jimicus · · Score: 1

      4G is rather better than existing 3G networks for mobile internet. But (and TBH this is something that astonishes me) this is one of the few places where the US is ahead of the curve. Many other countries have only just auctioned the spectrum space for 4G networks; they're a long way off having actual live 4G networks.

    44. Re:This just in. by catmistake · · Score: 1

      Either they are doing it intentionally or their marketing department is incompetent. Take your pick and stop apologising for them. If you advertise a feature your average consumer would expect it to work, this feature does not work at all in the countries they are advertising it in (the reasons why do not matter). Apple is not being singled out, any other company trying to pull this shit in countries with decent consumer protection laws (like the UK and Australia) would get the same treatment, the only special treatment Apple is getting is the media attention over it.

      Not apologizing for them. I'm bashing stupid consumers that wish to protect their idiocy and insist on separete definitions of 4G depending on arbitrary infrastructure. And I've given plenty of examples of other manufacturers actually attempting to mislead customers with no threat of litigation. Again, whether or not your particular region has any cell infrastructure cannot change the fact that the hardware contained in the new iPad is actually, technically, and by all legitimate definitions, truly 4th gen cell technology. This cannot be denied. It is incidental that the only 4G infrastructure it is compatible with is in North America. This is not Apple's fault, same as it is not the fault of aircraft carrier manufacturers that an aircraft carrier can't actually carry any aircraft in, say, Hungary... because Hungary has no coast. Its still a damn aircraft carrier!

      Let it be known that the foreign "4G deniers" shall forever after be known as Loretta!

    45. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't even cover all of Svalbard! Think of the armoured bears who will be wanting to update their facebook pages!

    46. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that Apple isn't intentionally trying to mislead anyone. The 4G iPad contains 4th gen cell tech, even if the country the consumer lives in has absolutely no cell technology whatsoever. This is not deceptive nor misleading. Apple is of course obligated to explain to consumers exactly which networks iPad is able to interface with, but Apple isn't responsible for any particular country's choice of 4G networks. The complaint is singling out Apple and holding them to a higher standard than any other manufacturer of anything. And the entire idea of this threat of lawsuit is, frankly, whether they realize it or not, insulting to consumers... its self-debasing. "Hey! There's no fucking ham in this hamburger!" is actually a valid complaint. "Hey, this 4G iPad is incompatible with my country's 4G networks, so its not 4G!!" is really not. Its consumers insisting that they are too ignorant to pay attention to what they are buying.

      I see the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field is still strong. If the 'networks iPad is able to interface with' turns out to be 'no networks within thousands of miles of any part of the continent you live on' then I would say that it is deceptive and misleading. People don't give a shit what chipset is inside a product or what it might be able to do should they relocate to another country - they care about features, and advertising the thing as iPad 4G to Australians implies that it has the feature of at least some degree of 4G connectivity in Australia.

      I'd say that a better comparison would be a restaurant selling someone a hamburger containing mouldy pork products, and then telling them "we only said it contained ham, and it does, we never said you would want to eat it". For extra points, the restaurant can then blame the consumer for not specifying "a hamburger fit for human consumption" when ordering, and can argue that it is not responsible for "factors out of its control" such as putrefaction.

    47. Re:This just in. by catmistake · · Score: 1

      Once again you are attempting to promote this fallacy that the infrastructure of a particular region magically changes Apple hardware from 4G to not-4G, such that in Australia, it is not 4G, but if you visit Canada with it, suddenly and miraculously, it is 4G again, then, when you return to Australia, it is no longer 4G hardware. Here in America, we have a lot of restaurants that still sell cigarettes, yet no restuarants where you can actually smoke them... but no litigation for deceptive sales practices. We have computers sold with a "turbo boost," yet there is no turbine. If Apple tried to sell the thing as 4G and it didn't contain 4G hardware, what you say would be true. But this is not the case. You country's infrastructure has no effect on 4G hardware that has already been manufactured, whether you have any cell infrastructure whatsoever. TO BE CLEAR... EVEN IF AUSTRALIA HAD ZERO CELL TOWERS AND ZERO CELL TECHNOLOGY... the 4G iPad is a 4G iPad everywhere in the Universe regardless of any lack of connectivity to any non-existant cell towers. Your thought processes are all messed up. Apple has no ability to affect the cell technology infrastructure in your country. At the very least, you should be giving half of the fallicious blame you are laying on Apple on your own cell providers, for claiming they have 4G technology, when they only have a subset of 4G technology, just like the 4G iPad.

    48. Re:This just in. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Yo dawg, I heard you like to verbogenate, so I put a verbogenater in you lexextender so you can ...

      Nah, fuck it.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    49. Re:This just in. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      "Point to countries on a map" is a pretty stupid test of geography. It doesn't have anything to do with xenophobia.

      It has plenty to do with downright ignorance, though.

      It's a fairly reasonable first-cut criterion for anyone wishing to express opinions on a place.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    50. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely. Apple is not intentionally misleading not like the time their ads showed a shortened sequence than it took in the real world nor that time they intentionally misled consumers with the whole of the Internet on the iPhone claim or that time they rigged the software to show one bar more than the signal or the time that because the G4 processor could do one thing quicker in rendering photos the processor was quicker than Intel equivalents or that time they claimed to have made a supercomputer for the desktop.

      Apple have lied in the past because they are lying scum but they are not lying now.

    51. Re:This just in. by khipu · · Score: 1

      Yup, but the GP posting was reflective of European arrogance and sarcasm wherever it may have come from, and in terms of the other points I mentioned, most of the rest of the world was just as bad.

    52. Re:This just in. by khipu · · Score: 1

      totalitarianism: there are no states in the US trying to control what science can be taught in schools, right? Or try to be different in the US, like being openly gay, leftish or green.

      You compare centuries of monarchy, communism, fascism, and military dictatorships in Europe with Texas school boards democratically electing people who add things to the curriculum you don't like? You obviously have no idea what terms like totalitarianism, feudalism, imperialism, and discrimination even mean.

      I won't even bother responding to the rest of your ridiculous drivel; it mostly just shows that you know nothing about history, economics, or politics.

    53. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it is not 4G hardware in the rest of the world. 4G hardware is hardware that can connect to a 4G network, and since the 4G network differs in all of the world you shouldn't be calling it 4G when you market it in a market that has a different definition of 4G.

      If I have a perfectly safe 230V electrical device that would magically explode if plugged in to a 110V grid it would be logical for me to call it perfectly safe in Europe, but if I labelled it "perfectly safe" in the US I would be in trouble.

    54. Re:This just in. by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      You think again. Check out South Korea.

    55. Re:This just in. by khipu · · Score: 1

      <sarcasm>Yeah, you're right. Obviously, you have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Americans are just stupid. The fact that they have fewer passports proves it! And everybody knows they know nothing about the all-so-important history of various European fiefdoms!</sarcasm>

      If you look at actual statistics instead of waving your hands wildly, you'll find that American adults are, on average, very well educated compared to other industrialized nations (the US is generally in the middle in the PISA studies, but widespread college education improves the picture further for adults).

      And what's perhaps more important, the intellectual and political elite in the US is huge and extremely sharp, and that's what ultimately matters, not whether some old Australian tourist can locate Papua New Guinea on the map.

    56. Re:This just in. by catmistake · · Score: 1

      But it is not 4G hardware in the rest of the world.

      False. You are either being intentionally obtuse, i.e. disingenuine, or you are actually, legitimately obtuse. 4G hardware is 4G hardware everywhere.

      4G hardware is hardware that can connect to a 4G network,

      False. 4G hardware is hardware that contains 4th generation cell technology, that which has the technical capability of achieving peak data transfer rates of 1Gbps. Connectivity and compatibility has nothing to do with whether hardware is 4G or not.

      and since the 4G network differs in all of the world you shouldn't be calling it 4G when you market it in a market that has a different definition of 4G.

      You can call it anything you want. Nothing you say is going to prevent 4th gen cell tech from being 4th gen cell tech.

      I think I see what the problem is... you don't know what you are talking about, and merely expressing your opinion as though it were fact when you don't have the a clear understanding, or apparently any understanding at all, of what the facts are.

      A rose by any other name is still a rose. If I dropped an 4G iPad to the bottom of the ocean, it would likely be severely water damaged beyond repair. Even this wouldn't prevent it from being 4G hardware. It would merely be non-functioning 4G hardware. All the 4G phones in your country, which are incompatible with the 4G technology in the United States, are still 4G phones even if they are brought to the US, and even though they won't work here..

      The fallacy that you are committing over and over is known as a type of reification, specifically what is called pathetic fallacy. One example I can think of is legal licensing of attorneys. In the US, this is set by individual bar associations by state. If an attorney in California visits New York, the individual is still an attorney even though they may not legally practice law in New York. Claiming a licensed California attorney that is physically in New York is no longer an attorney would be committing pathetic fallacy.

      The same is true of 4G cell tech. Moving a 4G device around doesn't and can't change whether it is 4G or not just because you believe, incorrectly, that 4G is an arbitrary marketing term. If it was merely a marketing term, then there could not possibly be any case against Apple even if the 4G iPad was actually a metal shell filled with koala dung.

      4G is defined by a set of required specifications set by an international standards committee. In short, what makes 4G what it is has nothing to do with local infrastructure, but instead maximum possible data throughput. Even if the hardware isn't constantly pushing data through at its maximum capability, it is still 4G. Even if the hardware cannot connect to local infrastructure, it is still 4G if it is possible for it to achieve, if I am not mistaken, 1Gbps throughput, even if there was no 4G infrastructure anywhere on the Earth. Apple guarantees that the 4G iPad is actually legitimatly 4G by the definition that matters, that which is set by the standards commitee, and can achieve peak rates of 1Gbps or more. What Apple cannot guarantee is if infrastructure exists to achieve these rates. The point being that even if the 4G infrastructure in your country is incompatible with the 4G iPad, this doesn't mystically change the nature of the 4G iPad. The 4G iPad remains unchanged, and it is still a 4th generation cell data device. Apple is not being deceptive; the consumers threatening litigation for deceptive practices are being self-deceptive.

      If you don't want it, don't buy it. If you already bought it and it doesn't work like you wanted, return it. Apple has $100 Billion in cash money laying around somewhere, and has a market cap that is beginning to dwarf that of the almighty oil industries. IMHO, Apple should just pull the product in the UK, Australia, and all international markets altogether.

    57. Re:This just in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hence back what i said before we are stuck at 3g because companies and some Telecom industries we use such as the big 5 networks have been marketing 3G for a long time over here in the Uk our UTMS wont support 4G yet, we are so slow compared to South Korea who has better internet then us and most other places As i said before it all about the $$ and how much you wanna spend per connection for so-called faster speeds. Or get stuck with 3G if it ever hits our shores 4G.

    58. Re:This just in. by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      I think the messed up thought processes are the ones in your head. The advertising says it connects to 4G networks. There are 4G networks in your country. The iPad does not connect to them, because Apple did not bother supporting the frequency they are on. Ergo, the claim is a lie (no, a tiny asterisk pointing to a tiny light grey on white statement that it's US and Canada only isn't good enough).

      Stop trying to defend the practice.

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    59. Re:This just in. by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about education? Was merely pointing out that the size of their home continent is not one of the main reasons for low passport ownership. Less average days of vacation per year is a major factor ... which has nothing to do with them being "stupid" or "not well educated".

      I think you're reading criticisms into my words that aren't there.

    60. Re:This just in. by khipu · · Score: 1

      OK, you may not have intended the criticism, but the G*P did.

      "Vacation days" is likely not a good explanation for low passport ownership. Americans work a lot every year, but Australians and Japanese work even more. And work is a choice for Americans: most Americans could take unpaid days off and still make more money than their counterparts in Europe.

      Probably the reason lots of Americans don't have passports is because they don't need to travel abroad. From personal experience, I can tell you that you'll have a more authentic and higher quality experience seeing art on loan from the Louvre, dining at a Japanese restaurant, and then seeing Chinese opera with your friends, all in New York or San Francisco, than traveling to Beijing, Tokyo, and Paris. Foreign destinations have increasingly devolved into unpleasant tourist traps, while the US has become very cosmopolitan.

  2. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't that a bit long for a spam post? Your WobbyClean one is better but still not that great.

  3. MYclean PC is a virus and is crap by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    MYclean PC is a virus and is crap

    1. Re:MYclean PC is a virus and is crap by Tough+Love · · Score: 0

      Please mod the spam above to oblivion.

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  4. Consumers need to do some research too ... by MacTO · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Just because a device has a certain feature, doesn't mean you can use it. That is especially true if it relies upon external services that may not be available in a particular region. It should be the consumer's responsibility to ensure that they meet the requirements to use those features.

    But consumers like to play dumb and, at the rate that things are going, we are going to have some absurd situations. I mean, just imagine the day when printer manufacturers have to stop advertising their printers as colour. After all, colour isn't visible when you are looking at a printout in a darkened room.

    1. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's one thing to advertise a feature a person might be able to use and to advertise a feature that a person will never be able to use. I live in an area where I only have 3G service but I often travel to areas less than 10 miles away where 4G service is available. It's reasonable to think that I would be interested in having the potential to use 4G service.

      However, when selling a device where such a feature can't be used anywhere on the entire continent and will never be of use on that continent, advertising said feature could be considered intentional fraud.

    2. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This makes no sense. As a consumer, I just want the device to work period, not have to spend hours researching on it.

    3. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Informative

      That is especially true if it relies upon external services that may not be available in a particular region.

      4G is available in Australia. Apple writes 4G on the box, but it doesn't work, and never will.

      The rules over here are very simple. If your product doesn't do something, you can't pretend that it does. All Apple had to do was change the packaging, but they chose not to and were prosecuted as a result.

      --
      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    4. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Changing the labeling was not a smart move. I know my phone is 3G, yet it insists it's 4G. That means every time I unlock it, I know it's attempting to deceive me. Is that good for my perception of the company and their products? Not really. I won't be "playing dumb" when my contract expires.

      Though the fanboy in me wants to say this was done at the phone company's encouragement, who knows how detail orient what's-his-name is since Steve Jobs died?

    5. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by gtch · · Score: 1

      Just because a device has a certain feature, doesn't mean you can use it. [...] It should be the consumer's responsibility to ensure that they meet the requirements to use those features.

      That's true. But in the case of the new iPad, it does not have a 4G feature in Australia. The law is very clear in that scenario: it is Apple's responsibility to accurately describe their product, it's not the consumer's responsibility.

      Even if an Australian customer is highly knowledgeable about technology and understands that US 4G is not the same thing as Australian 4G, it doesn't change the fact that the new iPad does not support 4G here.

    6. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Funny

      This makes no sense. As a consumer, I just want the device to work period, not have to spend hours researching on it.

      We all do, sir. That is why I have a gold/silver alloy HDMI wire to sell you. It is scientifically proven that this allow conducts electricity better than a typical cheap, copper wire. You can check the scientific research here. Purchase available for a low price from Monster. We've done the research for you!!

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    7. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by omfgnosis · · Score: 1

      If I spend hours researching this product, will I find your claims to be true?

    8. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      YES

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    9. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I thought 4G was just a marketing term, as in fourth generation. As opposed to a strict standards based definition. As such it's a meaningless term anyway, no?

    10. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by MacTO · · Score: 1

      Goto http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/ and it tells you what 4G means. While I cannot speak for the content of that page and the iPad WiFi+4G prior to the ruling, it is possible to pull up the page with archive.org for the previous model. In that case, they were telling you what the 3G meant in the iPad WiFi+3G.

      The problem is two-fold. One is that consumers have become very sloppy when it comes down to research, and will often take marketing claims at face value while neglecting to ask questions about things that they aren't told about. The second is that they were buying a product based upon a pure marketing term, which can vary from vendor to vendor and from region to region.

    11. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't advertise a feature that can't be used.

      It advertises "4G" and supports both LTE and DC-HSDPA. DC-HSDPA is supported by Australian networks just fine.

      The problem is that the specific LTE version supported by the iPad is not available in Australia. Nowhere does Apples say "iPad 4G LTE" in Australian ads though, unlike they do in US.

      To be fair, Apple could have advertised "iPad 4G DC-HSDPA" and saved themselves this headache but then "DC-HSDPA" doesn't exactly have a nice ring to it.

    12. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Informative
      It has real meaning:

      This article uses 4G to refer to IMT-Advanced (International Mobile Telecommunications Advanced), as defined by ITU-R. An IMT-Advanced cellular system must fulfill the following requirements:[5]

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G

      Unfortunately, the real meaning cannot be legally enforced, so unscrupulous vendors (like Apple) are trying to redefine it to include 3G variants.
      http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/19/2961199/apple-redefinition-4g-australia-ipad

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    13. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by omfgnosis · · Score: 1

      Well why would I spend hours researching this product then?

    14. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Yoda's+Mum · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why should a consumer need to go to a manufacturer's website to determine what that manufacturer actually means when they print what are otherwise common terms on their packaging and advertising? It's entirely reasonable for a consumer to be able to expect that a feature with a common definition in their locale actually means what they think it does in their locale.

      Anyway, Australian consumer protection and advertising standards law is pretty clear in this case. If a company chooses to use advertising that sets a particular expectation of a product's capabilities, it's deemed to be false advertising if the product does not meet that expectation. The definition of those expectations is based on what the language mean in in Australia - where the advertising is being done - and nowhere in Australia does Apple's "4G" mean what they say it does. It's a pretty black and white case as far as I can see.

    15. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple doesn't advertise a feature that can't be used.

      You're an idiot. Can the 4G that Apple advertises be used here on Oz? No. The onus is on Apple to be clear about what is supported in a particular country and saying "iPad 4G DC-HSDPA" in no way makes it clear to consumers. If you want to sell in a particular country, play by their rules. Our laws require advertisers to be clear about what they are advertising. If you don't like it, don't sell your product here. It is only because what Apple were doing is illegal in Oz that the ACCC was able to take action.

      The issue isn't even a problem with the hardware at all - it is a marketing problem. Apple marketed the product as supporting 4G, but there isn't a single 4G network (as advertised in Australia) that it works on here. That is false advertising, and quite rightly they were taken to court. Apple are not bigger than the country.

    16. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      You don't have to. The wire is specially designed for the elite consumer who doesn't want to waste time researching.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    17. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think its fair to say that Apple's implementation of 4G will never work in Australia.

    18. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by omfgnosis · · Score: 1

      Then why are we talking about this? Why haven't you taken my wallet and wife and children? But please let me keep my home, that's where I will hang myself with your scientifically proven allow.

    19. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is two-fold. One is that consumers have become very sloppy when it comes down to research,

      Nonsense. Marketers/advertisers are not allowed to lie. Period. Having weasel words in another location does not change that.

      This time they were called on it. The only bad thing about this ruling is that they advertisers lie all the time and aren't called on that. Marketers who lie habitually should be sentenced to jail. Such as yourself - probably an astroturfer fraudulently pretending to be a member of the general public and not a company representative.

    20. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

      The problem is 4G IS available in some of those regions, for example Australia has 4G, but the Ipad is still incompatibile with it.

    21. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Macthorpe · · Score: 3, Informative

      DC-HSDPA is not a 4G network - it is part of 3GPP.

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      "It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
    22. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unfortunately, the real meaning cannot be legally enforced, so unscrupulous vendors (like Apple) are trying to redefine it to include 3G variants.

      Yep. Like Apple, HTC, Samsung, LG are also selling "4G" phones. That are not 4G. You might known them as selling "4G" Android phones. In fact, it was the considered the "Android is superior! It has 4G!" arguments.

      In fact, it's so bad that phones are calling themselves "4G LTE" to separate themselves from HSPA-DC/HSPA+ that call themselves 4G phones.

      And yes, I looked up 4G Android phones. Most only advertised HSPA+ support.

      There are no clean hands - I think T-Mobile has a pile of 4G phones, but no LTE network at all (coming with the spectrum swap). Sprint and Verizon are probably the most honest - because their old technology ended at 3G, so they need WiMax/LTE to do 4G (they don't have HSPA+ to offer "4G").

      And yes, there's the official ITU definition of 4G, and the marketing definition. Alas, the marketing definition took over in 2010-2011. Android users loved calling Apple out for not having "4G"...

    23. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How's that misleading, when Apple's own iPad 4G page says:

      And if you’re in a location without a 4G LTE network, you’ll still get access to fast 3G networks including HSPA, HSPA+, and DC-HSDPA.

    24. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True story: I've encountered a store selling gold plated optical toslink cables... Was very tempted to buy one :P

    25. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2

      Yep. Like Apple, HTC, Samsung, LG are also selling "4G" phones.

      In the USA, not Australia.

      This prosecution occurred in Australia.

      --
      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    26. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by khipu · · Score: 1

      It was wrong for any company to market HSPA+ as 4G. But with HSPA+, Android phones offered substantially faster speeds than the iPhone 4. Furthermore, those companies didn't try to do that overseas in markets with actual 4G deployments and where the distinction actually matters.

    27. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by linhux · · Score: 1

      The article you link say:

      "Since the above mentioned first-release versions of Mobile WiMAX and LTE support much less than 1 Gbit/s peak bit rate, they are not fully IMT-Advanced compliant, but are often branded 4G by service providers. On December 6, 2010, ITU-R recognized that these two technologies, as well as other beyond-3G technologies that do not fulfill the IMT-Advanced requirements, could nevertheless be considered "4G", provided they represent forerunners to IMT-Advanced compliant versions and "a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed"

      I get 20 Mbps actual sustained download speed with the 3rd gen iPad (on a non-LTE network), which is substantially faster than what I've had with any previous "3G" devices I've used. It's almost as if it would fit the ITU definition of "substantial level of improvement" mentioned

    28. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So is LTE. Please read the latest ITU documents.

    29. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you are probably one of the whingers complaining about why your iCrap costs more in Australia than in the US. This and all the other bits of useless red tape the Australian government applies forces international companies to raise our local prices. Remember the Australian market is only a fraction of the size of significant markets like the US and China.

    30. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Macthorpe · · Score: 1

      If you feel like pointing out the ITU document that states that DC-HSDPA is a 4G standard, I'll gladly read it. Otherwise, you're straying from the point.

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      "It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
    31. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by reub2000 · · Score: 0

      Well if an Australian where to hop on a plane to Toronto, then yes they could get 4G. This probably only matters to a small percentage of Australians, but you can't say, "but it doesn't work, and never will."

    32. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      I don't own any Apple products, and I normally import hardware directly from factories in China and install my own OS. It costs me a fraction of retail, even by US standards.

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      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    33. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by hey! · · Score: 2

      This is the problem with BS whether in marketing or politics. Facts take time and effort to hunt down, but BS can be conjured from thin air.

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    34. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by LeeRyman · · Score: 1

      The new iPad supports 700 Mhz and 2100 Mhz.

      Telstra "4G" is 1800 Mhz 3GPP LTE, so no love there. Telstra is shutting down its 2100 Mhz UMTS network in favour of its 850 Mhz UMTS/HSPA "NextG" network.

      Optus has 'successfully' trialled a 700 Mhz 3GPP LTE network in Bendigo, Victoria, which the new iPad could theoretically connect on. The 4G network which Optus is trialling around Port Stephens, Newcastle and Lake Mac is 1800 Mhz. Optus however does own 2100 Mhz spectrum for UMTS and HSPA.

      Australia's mobile carriers are basically waiting for the 700 Mhz spectrum that has been used to analogue TV transmission to date to be freed up and auctioned off.

      I don't know why I bother, I can only get EDGE at work anyway :( Something about working at a steel mill seems to degrade the signal.

    35. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by longk · · Score: 1

      Several evolved 3G standards are allowed to be called 4G according to the ITU. Keep in mind that LTE itself is also a 3GPP standard, introduced in 3GPP version 10. To get true 4G you would need LTE Advanced, which is not available anywhere afaik.

      It's fine to stick to your guns and say Dual-Cell HSDPA is not 4G, but then LTE isn't either.

      Some starting references:
      http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G

    36. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      It's fair. The 4G frequencies supported by the new iPad (and used on US 4G networks) will never be used for 4G here in Australia. For good reason too: that part of the spectrum is occupied by television broadcasting!

    37. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      And yet everything I said is 100% true.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    38. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Frankie70 · · Score: 1

      May be they all just hold it wrong in Australia.

    39. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps the "without relocating to another country" part if his statement was implied. There wasn't really the need to be so pedantic, you knew what he meant and so did everyone else.

    40. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course they do, they're Australian, they hold it upside down.

    41. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gold plated does have the advantage of not oxidising nearly as well as steel. If you live in a particularly humid area that may be an issue. Making the entire cable out of gold is, well, useless.

    42. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by reub2000 · · Score: 1

      No, he said that there was no way those purchasing the device will never ever be able to connect to a 4G network. Which is simply untrue.

    43. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 1

      Because the case was brought aboutbefore this text was added later and has been added as a direct result of this case. Prior to the case, the text said something to the effect of (some paraphrasing included) "iPad3: Now with moar Gs!"

    44. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 1

      Then you're a perfect customer for whatever Apple is selling! :-P

    45. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NOt just that i just noticed a advert form some providers like Vodafone who offer 4G speeds to some parts of the Uk if you take out there nice shiney signal box connected to your broadband services, Just a point i made but i wonder if that is flase somehow since the UK is no where near 4G speeds just standard 8mb and rubbish upload speeds if your lucky.

    46. Re:Consumers need to do some research too ... by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Also, even Apple calls DC-HSDPA a 3G network. So the AC's argument is tanked by that alone.

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  5. They've missed the point again, a bit.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Nobody in Australia calls mobile phones cellphones, so most consumers aren't going to have a clue what Cellular means.

    1. Re:They've missed the point again, a bit.. by gtch · · Score: 1

      Nobody in Australia calls mobile phones cellphones, so most consumers aren't going to have a clue what Cellular means.

      Actually that's perfect. You can't get sued for misleading people if you use a term that has no meaning...

    2. Re:They've missed the point again, a bit.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because no one in Australia has watched a TV show or movie from America.

    3. Re:They've missed the point again, a bit.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody in Australia calls mobile phones cellphones, so most consumers aren't going to have a clue what Cellular means.

      Actually that's perfect. You can't get sued for misleading people if you use a term that has no meaning...

      So what's your legitimate reason for choosing a term that has no meaning?

      I mean there are only two reasons for that: 1) you're stupid, or 2) using words with no meaning is _your way_ of misleading.

      That would avoid a suit how?

    4. Re:They've missed the point again, a bit.. by omfgnosis · · Score: 1

      It has a meaning! My phone is made of plants, and plants are made of cells. Right?

    5. Re:They've missed the point again, a bit.. by Elbart · · Score: 3, Funny

      For the sake of their sanity, I hope they haven't.

    6. Re:They've missed the point again, a bit.. by DeathElk · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I'm from Oz and I'm partial to a bit of Weeds, Sons of Anarchy and Mythbusters. Better than fscking Neighbours and Home & Away [suddenly vomits uncontrollably]

    7. Re:They've missed the point again, a bit.. by DeathElk · · Score: 1

      This just in, fuck you.

      Thanks
      Go fuck yourself.

    8. Re:They've missed the point again, a bit.. by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and stop sending all your ex-Neighbours and Home & Away actors to the UK as well :P

      Except Kylie.

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    9. Re:They've missed the point again, a bit.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody in Australia calls mobile phones cellphones, so most consumers aren't going to have a clue what Cellular means.

      I knew sheilas are dumb but I didn't know all aussies were just as thick.

    10. Re:They've missed the point again, a bit.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neighbours would've long disappeared if selling it to the UK wasn't so damn profitable for the production company.

      Its your fault it still exists, so you can keep picking up the actors.

  6. Still an LTE device by maccodemonkey · · Score: 1

    AT&T has no LTE footprint at all here in Oregon. Yet Apple can still sell the iPad LTE here and call it that. Why? Because if/when AT&T finally brings LTE here, the device will work on it.

    I get the whole "consumers walking out of the store thinking they have LTE service" thing. Seems like the simple solution is just to call it an "LTE Ready" device. You've got the LTE modem, and you're ready for the service.

    1. Re:Still an LTE device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Telstra's network is LTE but it runs on different frequencies to the new iPad. Great for confusing tourists and locals alike.

    2. Re:Still an LTE device by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Better LTE than never.

      [Ducking and running]

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    3. Re:Still an LTE device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except part of the issue is that if/when LTE arrives in the UK it will be on a frequency that will not be compatible with the currently shipping iPads.

    4. Re:Still an LTE device by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

      The problem is the ipad DOESN'T work on most LTE networks at all, just those in the US and Canada, Australia for instance has an LTE network but the ipad is incompatible.

  7. I have a better idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    They should take some of the old PowerPC G4 chips and stick one in each iPad backwards. Then should satisfy the regulator, right?

  8. Imagine the complexity by Grayhand · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know this is supposed to be an "Apple is evil" issue but imagine with all the standards trying to roll out a worldwide product? Is it an attempt to deceive or that support to local networks is lagging behind? Is it a matter of time or an issue that can't be corrected with the current product? There are simply too many standards to expect everyone to support every standard or local system. The advertising department is at fault for boasting of local support that doesn't exist but it's hard to say how intentional it was for the parent company.

    1. Re:Imagine the complexity by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      The advertising department is at fault for boasting of local support that doesn't exist but it's hard to say how intentional it was for the parent company.

      The advertising department doesn't design the product packaging. The advertising dropped the inaccurate "4G" label weeks ago. This news refers to a change to the product name. That's clearly a decision from the parent.

      All of this information was available from TFA!

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    2. Re:Imagine the complexity by VON-MAN · · Score: 1

      "I know this is supposed to be an "Apple is evil" issue"
      HUH???? I thought it was an interesting story about a marketing mistake. And even more interesting is that Apple (=King of Marketing) can make mistakes like that.

      The advertising department is at fault for boasting of local support that doesn't exist but it's hard to say how intentional it was for the parent company.
      Are you trying to suggest that the rest of Apple doesn't know what the advertising department is doing? Nonsense, it was a stupid mistake to name a device after some localized technology, period.

    3. Re:Imagine the complexity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Generally, product naming, package design, and advertising are all under the same corporate marketing department.

    4. Re:Imagine the complexity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't an "Apple is evil", but maybe an "Apple is arrogant" issue.

    5. Re:Imagine the complexity by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It isn't that the networks are lagging behind, it is that they will never ever support 4G on the iPad because we are not going to use LTE on the same frequencies as the US. Even once we have 4G it won't work, the iPad doesn't have the right technology.

      They have to tailor their advertising and packaging to the local market anyway. Local language, local laws, local partnerships with mobile service providers and shops, local regulations and so forth. Complying with our law is the minimum we expect.

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    6. Re:Imagine the complexity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of that matters at all, it's astounding so see how quick Americans are to defend a company that is guilty of false advertising. I'll say again what's been said about 50 times already on the thread. Apple is selling this product in AUSTRALIA where it is subject to AUSTRALIAN consumer protection laws. They have been duly applied in this case and I really hope Apple and any other American company that sells products here gets the fucking message.

  9. no standardization just what we don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many 4G type networks are there, I thought the whole idea was to have a standard. So now we have who knows how many different LTE standards oh this is brainless for 2012. Forget using one system across multiple countries.

    1. Re:no standardization just what we don't need by denpun · · Score: 3, Informative

      AFIK, none in production. Many lab environments but REAL 4G does not exist in Commercial Production yet.

      LTE is not 4G.
      LTE-A is.
      IEEE 802.16m/WiMAX 2 is.

      4G is standardized and will make things better but differences in Frequency usage across the planet will still cause some roaming issues.
      Multi band phones will help but still...

      There are still kinks to sort out with 4G..Antenna Tech among others...to get the bandwidth required to meet 4G specs.
      Plus, there are no real 4G handsets out as yet either...the LTE handsets are just LTE handsets..not 4G.

      Presently, many markets are using LTE just for data.
      4G should and will also allow Voice over LTE...then that will be true 4G.

      Till then, we stuck on 3.9G !

    2. Re:no standardization just what we don't need by Elbart · · Score: 1

      The problem of worldwide LTE-support is that there are like 20 different frequencies used. For GSM/UMTS you just had to support four or five, but for LTE, it's a big bag of snafu.

  10. Now if only they'd get rid of the fake "4G" tag... by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

    Now if only they'd get rid of the fake "4G" tag the iPhone 4S has on AT&T. It's barely faster than the "3G" on the iPhone 4, and isn't real "4G" by any means.

  11. MYCLEANPC IS A SCAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It's a scam. Mycleanpc is a scam. And complete bullshit.

    Mycleanpc is spyware and a scam.

    If you use mycleanpc you are a moron.

    Mycleanpc is a scam.
    Mycleanpc is a scam.

    MyCleanPC is bullshit and spyware.

    MyCleanPC should be shut down by the FTC or FCC or SOMEBODY for being a complete bullshit scam that preys on the non tech people of the world.
    MyCleanPC.com is a scam and spyware and bullshit and complete crap and you have to be an idiot to ever let it on your computer.

  12. Re:Wow! by omfgnosis · · Score: 1, Funny

    I cheerios never coca-cola considered playboy it dupont but chevron I oracle will disney now verizon.

  13. citation needed by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

    "Apple has already sold millions of iPads across the U.K., Europe and Australia, while the vast majority are unaware that they will not be able to connect to high-speed mobile broadband networks."

    Have any citation for the bald assertion that the vast majority of iPad owners don't know their iPad won't be able to connect to high-speed mobile broadband networks?

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    1. Re:citation needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What citation do you need? The device was marketed as iPad 4G and people believe Apple marketing.

  14. Re:Now if only they'd get rid of the fake "4G" tag by samkass · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now if only they'd get rid of the fake "4G" tag the iPhone 4S has on AT&T. It's barely faster than the "3G" on the iPhone 4, and isn't real "4G" by any means.

    Except that it's 4-5x times faster than the "3G" on the Verizon network, so while it's not as fast as LTE it does seem like there's some room for calling it something other than what Verizon called their dog-slow pre-LTE "3G" network. This wasn't Apple's call, anyway... AT&T's HSPA+ network has the "official" 4G designation so it's as "4G" as anything. You'll have to look specifically for "LTE" if you want that speed.

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  15. Precisely by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    Like when I bought my 4G phone from Verizon. They made no bones about the fact that at the time, there was no 4G service in my city. They told me when it was scheduled to be there, and where else I might use it. However it was a device that had the necessary features to use a network they were building. They didn't sell me a phone that would only do 4G in Japan or something. They could truthfully market a 4G device as it had the necessary hardware, the network did exist in some of the US, and they were building it out to this area soon (came about 3 months after I got the phone).

  16. Did you read the story? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    This is about Australia, not America.

    Now price aside (my employer pays for my phone so I dunno what it costs), I get pretty badass wireless speeds in America. I have a 4G phone and it works great. Get about 20-25mbps on speed tests. That'll probably drop as more people get 4G phones but still, that is cable modem kind of speeds on the cell network.

    This isn't a theoretical speed, this is in actual testing. 4G service is being rolled out nicely in the US, by Verizon at least.

    1. Re:Did you read the story? by egladil · · Score: 1

      I take it the 20-25 mbps is down speed? What about up speed?

      As a comparison, my carriers 3G network here in Sweden gives you 32/4.6 mbps (up/down) according to their claims. I haven't tried it, but I'd guess the actual down speed wouldn't be lower than 25 mbps or they'd be getting a lot of trouble from the regulating authority.

      As for their 4G networks, their first and currently only plan is listed as 64/9 mbps.

    2. Re:Did you read the story? by quenda · · Score: 3, Informative

      Meanwhile, many Australians unfamiliar with American vernacular will be asking "WTF is 'cellular' ?"
      It is not a term used here - we call it mobile telephony and mobile phones (as do many other countries.)

    3. Re:Did you read the story? by djlowe · · Score: 1

      As a comparison, my carriers 3G network here in Sweden gives you 32/4.6 mbps (up/down)

      Did you mean down/up?

    4. Re:Did you read the story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw that crocodile man movie, so I know all of Australia is a dusty backwater of illiterates, but I had just assumed they had cell phones at one point too. Then I remembered that weird horn they used for communication until iphones came along.

    5. Re:Did you read the story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, it's hilarious that they've screwed this up not once, but twice. I mean, anyone would think Steve Jobs had died and the company had gone to shit...oh!

    6. Re:Did you read the story? by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      Cellular phone is US English. Apple = 100% US..What as

      What astonishes me is that non US customers seem to think their voice matter. Your iDev is 100% designed for US conditions.

    7. Re:Did you read the story? by quenda · · Score: 1

      Apple = 100% US.

      The most profitable parts of Apple are apparently in Ireland, the Netherlands, Luxembourg and the British Virgin Islands.

    8. Re:Did you read the story? by egladil · · Score: 1

      Indeed I did.

    9. Re:Did you read the story? by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      Doesn't surprise me the least, despite the fact that they are US-centric products.

      We are talking about the company that made mp3 players cool..

    10. Re:Did you read the story? by quenda · · Score: 1

      We are talking about the company that made mp3 players cool..

      What does that have to do with the use of offshore tax havens?

    11. Re:Did you read the story? by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      They are both cool?

  17. So you base your purchases on a spam message? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congratulations. You just made sure I and tens of thousands of others will never, ever, buy anything from or use anything from mycleanpc.com.

    Of course you are assuming that the spam actually came from the product owner. Clue: A griefer, competitor, etc can create the spam using someone else's URL. Its quite naive to make buying decisions, for or against a particular product, based upon spam.

    At least have some sort of confirmation the product owners are actually involved in the spam before posting your silly nonsense.

    1. Re:So you base your purchases on a spam message? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations. You just made sure I and tens of thousands of others will never, ever, buy anything from or use anything from mycleanpc.com.

      Of course you are assuming that the spam actually came from the product owner. Clue: A griefer, competitor, etc can create the spam using someone else's URL. Its quite naive to make buying decisions, for or against a particular product, based upon spam. At least have some sort of confirmation the product owners are actually involved in the spam before posting your silly nonsense.

      What part of "only my opinion" and "not telling anybody to do anything" do you find difficult to understand?

  18. Naive to believe spam is from referenced site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These spamming assholes are promoting a site ...

    But they may not be affiliated with that site. Maybe a griefer, competitor, etc is behind the spam. Make sure the corp is really behind it before posting phone numbers.

    The truth is you probably just got suckered by a kiddie who is pissed off at slashdot. Next time at least post as AC to save yourself the embarrassment.

    1. Re:Naive to believe spam is from referenced site by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

      +1 for realizing this could be a false flag operation.

    2. Re:Naive to believe spam is from referenced site by philip.paradis · · Score: 1

      Go read the BBB entries for the referenced organization, cross reference that with what you can find with a couple of cursory Google queries, then come back and tell me it's a false flag operation. On the slim to none chance that it is, they still appear to deserve some serious attention.

      On a side note, it's once again entirely depressing to see how the BBB actually operates with regard to horrendous behavior on the part of participating businesses.

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  19. Finally. Its about time. by ThePeices · · Score: 1

    I know that this change must have been excruciating for Apple to do, as being seen to listen to their customers must rub them the wrong way.

    But for this I congratulate Apple for this historic event. It was excruciatingly hard, but it was needed.

    *claps*

  20. Don't do evil by thsths · · Score: 1

    unless it is profitable and stands a chance in court.

    And this one does not: you could not sell a phone "with charger" either, if the charger is for the wrong voltage. What ever happened to common sense?

    1. Re:Don't do evil by dadioflex · · Score: 1

      It was Google that said they didn't want to do evil. But nobody wants to do evil. You think the Nazis unfurled the blueprint for Dachau and looked at each other with guilty expressions, until one summoned the courage to ask: "This is pretty evil, right?" No. No, they did not. They thought they were doing the right thing and that God and history would bathe them in glory.

      How'd that work out for you Nazis?

      Yeah, exactly.

      Corporations, certainly in the US, are obliged to follow profit and enhance share-holders' wealth. There are laws they aren't supposed to break. These are the constraints we put upon capitalism, and they are legal boundaries not ethical ones. It is next to impossible to live in the modern world without drenching yourself in the blood sweat and tears of an exploited worker from some dusty corner of the globe, but their alternative is between being an exploited worker or starvation.

      So, what is evil? Exploitation? Profit? Complacency? Guilt? Condescension?

    2. Re:Don't do evil by thsths · · Score: 1

      > These are the constraints we put upon capitalism, and they are legal boundaries not ethical ones.

      Exactly, like not lying to the customer. In the EU that is pretty well enshrined, whereas in the US you seem to get away with it as long as you call it "marketing". Well, not so in the EU.

      So the question is: why does Apple keep getting into legal trouble in the EU? For my taste (and I would hope the investors taste, too) they are playing way too close to the line. You want to be well on the legal side of the line, and Apple just is not.

      They are not alone, of course. There are other companies like Nestle that keep coming up with (wrong or misleading) marketing on a regular basis that is than banned in the court. Sometimes you think that companies should have an advertising license that can be revoked as a penal measure...

  21. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    yo,sup dawg, I herd you like cleaning your PC, so I put installed MyCleanPC in your clean PC so you can clean the PC while cleaning the PC!

  22. So here's what I don't get by dadioflex · · Score: 1

    Much like HD televisions, the majority of which until quite recently were never used with HD media even when it was available, 4G seems like something that a purchaser either knows what it is at a technical level or they are blissfully unaware of it. Anyone with the interest to know what 4G is, knows that buying an iPad won't make it magically become available. There were plenty of technologically averse people (Apple customers I likes to call'em) swanning about the place, mentally gloating that their iPad was giving them an extra G's worth of data speed over the sorry Samsung users around them. All this litigation, fiery brand-waving and angry mobs is only serving to burst the smug bubble around these previously content consumers. It isn't hurting Apple (certainly not in any way reflected in their stock price) but it's hurting a lot of hipsters' feelings.

    disclaimer: I am a very happy iPad owner. But I only use it ironically.

    1. Re:So here's what I don't get by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      Much like HD televisions, the majority of which until quite recently were never used with HD media even when it was available, 4G seems like something that a purchaser either knows what it is at a technical level or they are blissfully unaware of it.

      Well, there was a bit of a fuss when TVs started to be sold as "HD Ready" (Example 1 Example 2 - I'm sure there are more where those came from.)

      Meanwhile, like many people, I bought a TV with an integrated terrestrial HD tuner about a year before HD broadcasts were due to start in my area. When my local transmitter switched, lo and behold I got HD. I didn't get some excuse along the lines of "well, when we said HD, we didn't mean the sort of HD that was coming in your area."

      Likewise, there is much talk of 4G "coming soon" to the UK. Around the time of the iPad launch, there was even talk of 4G arriving later this year (although that's fallen through). Some UK carrier sites talk of 4G coming soon (and, by the way, a quick perusal of the Ofcom website shows that, in the UK context, 4G means "LTE or WiMax" not HSDPA+ etc. as some US carriers are spinning it). So, it would have been quite reasonable to expect that an "iPad with 4G" would work with 4G when it arrived. At the time, the only way you'd know that this was not true is if you'd dug the actual supported frequencies out of the tech specs page and compared them with the proposed UK/EU 4G frequencies - that's not the sort of research you should expect to do when buying a consumer-oriented device.

      Apple have since had several rounds of refinement to their small print so its a bit clearer bit, last time I looked, they still didn't come clean and say "this will not work on existing or proposed 4G networks outside of North America".

      If Apple were a Mom&Pop company in the US exporting a few units to the EU this would be excusable - but when you have major distribution and retail networks in a country, and produce otherwise fully localized goods for those markets there is no excuse for selling them as "iPad with 4G*" <font size="-2">*doesn't actually do 4G in this country</font>.

      Although it might not hurt Apple much, this might set a precident to dissuade other firms from selling stuff as "4G" when it isn't.

      (Of course, some blame also applies to the supposedly international - but really US-centric - standards bodies who have let "4G" mean different things in different markets - I could buy my TV with confidence because the UK had got the "Freeview HD" branding sorted out in advance).

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  23. PAL Compatible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if I purchased a TV in the USA that claimed to be PAL compatible (a former European standard) should I sue the maker because there are no PAL station here?

    1. Re:PAL Compatible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not PAL TV in SECAM country, it's PAL-N in PAL-B country. There are 4G LTE towers in Australia and other devices advertised as 4G in Australia are able to use them. iPad is advertised as 4G, but can't.

    2. Re:PAL Compatible by thsths · · Score: 1

      If it is advertised as a Color TV, surely that would be misleading?

  24. I'm actually with Apple on this one by epp_b · · Score: 0

    If it has a 4G-capable radio, then they have every right to call it "iWhatever 4G". Anyone too stupid not to know that the right service provider is required is just too stupid. It doesn't take hours of research, it takes five minutes on Google.

    1. Re:I'm actually with Apple on this one by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      And you'd be wrong, because the law does not say what you want it to say - it says what it says.

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  25. It's not even 4G in the US! by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    It's still just LTE, which is not 4G. So, it only makes sense to rebrand it (and all of it's other "4G" products) worldwide as "cellular," since none of them support 4G.

  26. Companies need to correctly advertise and label. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, simply put in Australia we have strong consumer protection laws and independant bodies that are charged with the responsability of breaking kneecaps of companies that try to rip people off or misadvertise their products.

    To advertise it as 4G in Australia is very deceptive marketing on apples part, while 4G has been revised to be hspa that technology in Australia is described as 3G [or nextg], with LTE networks being described as 4G. Apple knew this, as they are partners with all the major carriers in Australia, and yet still choose to mislabel their product in Australia in a cynical attempt to confuse the public about the quality of the product.

    We have LTE 4G networks, this tablet doesn't run on any of those networks and Apple knew this from the start.

  27. 34% of iphone owners thought they had 4G in 2011 by speculatrix · · Score: 1

    http://mashable.com/2011/07/14/4g-confusion-study/ 34% of iPhone Users Think They Have 4G [STUDY] July 14, 2011 by Charlie White

  28. Apple "gives in" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple gives-in? How about "Apple does the right thing and stops their misleading advertising"

    The general public are NEVER the bad guy. Really. Don't make it out like Apple is some altruistic saint being attacked by the troglodytic public.

  29. I know you are but what am I? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Snitching on snitches isn't snitching because two takeaways is an add and anyway you got cooties so yahboosucks with knobs on.

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  30. AT&T 4G? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will my iPhone 4S be changed to remove the "4G" from AT&T service? I have Sprint service but I know that "4G" icon has been installed in there!

  31. Re:Now if only they'd get rid of the fake "4G" tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sorry to butt in but i had to write a comment somewehere i am a apple mac user for their macbook(Last thing i i ever purchased was the 2006 edition whilte macbook which after a few HDD replacements still go strong today) I am sorta glad apple have been clipped it gives other companies that model like the IPAD or Iphone room for throught on how they market their own products to us consumers next time

    The thing is as in the Uk here our broadband is rubbish also, Blinking Politicans have placed the blinders on ISP with courts to stop TPB and general any other website they please and with regard to speeds all of them ISP's in the UK are capped to death with Fari usage policey so over here we will never get a good speed just blatant ripped off for a fragment of the speed Euro or the USA get, South korea is the best place for speeds for faster broadband or connection thats a model itself to the world of what we could have yet its all about in this world now how much is in your wallet rather them productivaty and speed for apple and ISP's now. An once again us in the UK are being choked gagged and told to use what we pay for fairly(which is stupid because we have to pay the bill also and agree to stupid idology of the ISP)

    wish i could go back to 1992 of internet time, yes crap speeds but the web felt free then.