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Subdermal Magnets Allow You To Wear an IPod Like a Watch

Okian Warrior writes "Tattoo artist Jersey from Dynasty Tattoo (in New Jersey) implanted sub-dermal magnets in his arm to wear his iPod touch like a watch. From the article: '“Those magnets are actually called micro-dermal anchors, and in body piercing they are very common. The tops are actually just 5 millimetre magnetic tops,” he said. “I took the ends of magnets and actually adhered them to the back of the iPod, and that’s how they click into my skin.” He added: “I can go for a run and it won’t come off. I’ve already taken it to the gym and jogged with it on.”'"

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  1. Apple announces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    New, even smaller, iPod. Users will need to buy new accessories, or new arms in this case.

    1. Re:Apple announces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was thinking, "New, smaller, sub-dermal iPod! Just plug your headphones into your wrist!"

    2. Re:Apple announces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Alternatively, "New, same sized, sub-dermal iPod! It really fucking hurts!"

    3. Re:Apple announces by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Why is it called an eyePhone?"
      - "Ehm, I'll explain after I install it."

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    4. Re:Apple announces by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      *sigh*... kids. Sheesh. Surgery to replace a strap and buckle? Is this a stupid idea, or am I just getting too damned old? Yes, I want a wrist phone, but I don't want to undergo surgery to have one.

    5. Re:Apple announces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sub-dermal implants like this are actually *fairly* easy to remove and replace. It'll probably hurt, and cause a bit of scarring... but if you check TFA and see the guys arm ... I don't think anyone would really notice

      Or more likely, if they do release a new design for the iPod, he'll just rig up something on the iPod itself to match his current dock: i.e. crazy-glue a mounting system to the back of the new iPod.

    6. Re:Apple announces by plover · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Surgery"? Body modders are not surgeons. They may (or may not) follow best practices around hygiene, sterilization, air filtration, infection control, etc. Their pain management is limited to over the counter medications and topical treatments such as ice. What they have in common with surgeons is they both take knives to skin.

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    7. Re:Apple announces by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      First you complain that they charge arms and legs
      for their products. Then, when they finally start selling arms, you still complain! Leaaave Apple alone!! :)

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    8. Re:Apple announces by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Why is it called an eyePhone?" - "Ehm, I'll explain after I install it."

      You think that's bad, wait 'til they install the earpiece...

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    9. Re:Apple announces by Hentes · · Score: 4, Funny

      You are holding it wrong.

    10. Re:Apple announces by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      if you check TFA and see the guys arm

      If you check the T S A, this guy doesn't fly anywhere.

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    11. Re:Apple announces by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Just stick it the side of your head, saves time and you can use shorter cables.

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    12. Re:Apple announces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not surgery, it's just a piercing implant.

    13. Re:Apple announces by Cinder6 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm not sure how this is at all like wearing a watch. It's in the right location, but all the watches I've ever seen (that weren't pocket watches) have had wristbands, not magnets. And, of course, iPod wristbands already exist.

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    14. Re:Apple announces by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Why is it called an eyePhone?" - "Ehm, I'll explain after I install it."

      You think that's bad, wait 'til they install the earpiece...

      You don't want to know where the charger port goes.

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    15. Re:Apple announces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oops

    16. Re:Apple announces by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      "Why is it called an eyePhone?" - "Ehm, I'll explain after I install it."

      You think that's bad, wait 'til they install the earpiece...

      You don't want to know where the charger port goes.

      Left nasal passage.

      The right one is reserved for the Nasal/Finger Connection, or NFC for short.

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    17. Re:Apple announces by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      First you couldn't replace the batteries yourself, now you even need a technician to have the device itself replaced!

    18. Re:Apple announces by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      They can actually install the earpiece into a blue tooth. The sound is transmitted via the jawbone.

    19. Re:Apple announces by michelcolman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was wondering why the magnets are protruding from his skin. Wouldn't it be way cooler to have them under the skin, invisible?

    20. Re:Apple announces by Krojack · · Score: 1

      And then when you go to pay, the cashier ask you to bend over.

    21. Re:Apple announces by 517714 · · Score: 2

      Next you'll be suggesting he have flesh-tone skin.

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    22. Re:Apple announces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternatively, watchband allows you to wear an iPod like a watch.

    23. Re:Apple announces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just put a tack on the bottom and stick it in your skin wherever you feel like on a different day, yo! Since no one else has I'll say it, this huys a total tool idiot and for once can anyone be a damn adult?

    24. Re:Apple announces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry. If you are "getting too damned old", the problem will automatically take care of itself.........

    25. Re:Apple announces by BluBrick · · Score: 1

      And then when you go to pay, the cashier ask you to bend over.

      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    26. Re:Apple announces by Raved+Thrad · · Score: 1
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    27. Re:Apple announces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is he a nigger?

    28. Re:Apple announces by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      If it's still that flat connector used on my third gen iPod it'll hurt no matter where you put the port.

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  2. Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by TWX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously, there was a day and age when "magnets = bad" was the mantra. What kind of problems should this guy actually see with his gear, long term, subjecting it to strong magnetism? Will this mess with the memory in the device? Will this accelerate problems like tin whiskers?

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    1. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Magnets and magnetic media don't mix very well, but the iPod Nano doesn't use magnetic media so he should be alright.

    2. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Tin whiskers grow in strong electric fields, not magnetic.

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    3. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fuck hemoglobin, I want to know how the implanted rare earth magnets might effect my iPod.

    4. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by RobertLTux · · Score: 4, Informative

      and i would bet that at 90ish angles to a strong electrical field there is almost always a strong Magnetic field.

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    5. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by erroneus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He will fall asleep with his iPod attached to his wrist and they'll have to cut something off eventually.

      I think he would be better off with a velcro band with a magnet on it...

      Anyway, the words "really" "bad" and "idea" come to mind here.

    6. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Damion · · Score: 2

      Subdermal magnets are pretty weak compared to the magnets you'd find in, e.g., a hard disk head. Speaking from experience, they certainly aren't strong to wipe a credit card, so I double they'd be a threat to any practical device.

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    7. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Causes necrosis in the tissue when compressed that way, other than that, not much affect. Small magnets for body modification work well, but holding something the mass of an ipod shuffle is a bad idea.

    8. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Damion · · Score: 5, Funny

      Only if the fields are changing. RTFMAXWELLEQUATIONS.

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    9. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Bet accepted.

      Do you understand you are wrong? Sib post stated it clearly. Pay up sucker.

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    10. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem isn't the magnet.

      The problem is that the skin compressed between two magnets will eventually die and rot away from the compression and he will have a hole in his arm.

    11. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      and i would bet that at 90ish angles to a strong electrical field there is almost always a strong Magnetic field.

      You must be an official Star Trek script writer.

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    12. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Informative

      If I were in a betting mood, I'd imagine that the largest risk would be implant degradation. Rare earth magnets, in their raw or thin-layer-of-nickel-plate forms, are not biocompatible or stable under implant conditions. If the protective coating(the firmer flavors of silicone elastomer seem to be popular; but I'm sure that there are others) is breached he'll have to get out the potato peeler and dig out a nasty lump of putrifying magnet corrosion products. Hardly fatal; but neither fun nor scar-free.

      It didn't take too long for that to happen to the 'magnet in fingertip for 6th sense' guy, and I wouldn't be terribly optimistic here.

    13. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Seriously, there was a day and age when "magnets = bad" was the mantra. What kind of problems should this guy actually see with his gear, long term, subjecting it to strong magnetism?

      Not sure, but if you want to make such a person seriously cross at you, approach him from behind with a strong neodymium magnet. That would cause him trouble.

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    14. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by acedotcom · · Score: 4, Informative

      except thats not how these implants work. the actual magnets sit just above the skin like external mounts so the only tension on the skin is from the bases of the implants.

      the real problem having to get new implants to support next years model.

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    15. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by tom17 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the magnets are not *under* his skin. They stick out through holes in his skin.

      What a bad bad idea.

    16. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      ex-Star Trek script writer maybe. Nobody has actually written anything approaching a script for Star Trek since DS9 went off the air.

    17. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe, if it's worn constantly, and only if the compression is high enough to prevent blood flow. Using sufficiently weak magnets would probably be no more restrictive to circulation than wearing a standard watch. And absent a serious opiate habit, pain would probably cause most people to remove a device long before there was real damage.

    18. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Stainless steel seems like the obvious choice.

    19. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So these aren't really subdermal implants then. More like transdermal or transepidermal.

    20. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by plover · · Score: 1

      His science knowledge is so bad that Rick Berman could have successfully used him... :-)

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    21. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

      Probably not, then he would have said that the strong magnetic caused a subspace anomaly that attracts interphasic lifeforms which make human cells devolve.

    22. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by tom17 · · Score: 2

      Correct. The title is incorrect.

    23. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He should only be able to wear the thing for short periods. Otw, he'll get the equivalent of bed sores over the magnets since they will cut off blood flow to the skin.

    24. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by PPH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, if I understand the postings of those with similar implants: There is an inert, coated steel implant under the skin. Once the surgery has healed, thin, disc shaped magnets are placed on top of the skin (so they may be removed periodically) and the object (iPod) sticks to the other side of these magnets.

      Having things sticking through your skin (long term) is a great way to introduce infection into your body.

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    25. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Hentes · · Score: 1

      The difference is that modern iPods have flashdrives instead of small magnetic HDDs.

    26. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just a velcro band that attaches directly to the ipod like the rest of us do it.

    27. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Pulling the phone of his arm must be fun...

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    28. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by tom17 · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that the coated steel implants are *through* the skin. i.e. Trans-dermal and not sub-dermal as TFT suggests. The magnets are then attached to these steel implants.

      This is not the same as a sub-dermal magnet.

      I have learned a lot of stuff during this thread that I really didn't want to know about...

    29. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      Sounds like a good way to get infections.

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    30. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      Wear it like a watch --- strange I have one of those it does not use sub-dermal magnets, it is has this innovative thing called a "watch strap" ....

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    31. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Magnets don't do anything to hemoglobin. Anybody who says otherwise is either trying to sell you magnetic bracelets for WAY more than they're worth or never figured out high-school level chemistry or physics. Likely both.

      (Metallic elemental iron is ferromagnetic. Most other iron compounds are not ferromagnetic. Similarly, elemental diatomic hydrogen is explosive, but water is not generally labeled as explosive, even though it has two hydrogen atoms per molecule. See how that works?)

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    32. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Nobody has actually written anything approaching a script for Star Trek since DS9 went off the air.

      Ah! That would explain the latest movies.

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    33. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically, he could possibly generate a weak electrical current by holding his arm against/beside a metal railing while jogging. If he ran fast enough, he might even be able to get as much current from that as he could from dragging his feet across the carpet!

    34. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by jonadab · · Score: 2

      > he would have said that the strong magnetic [fields] caused a subspace
      > anomaly that attracts interphasic lifeforms which make human cells devolve

      No, no, no. Interphasic life forms are attraced by the new interphasic fusion process. Sheesh. Don't you understand science at all?

      Strong magnetic fields are much more likely to cause "interference", which makes it harder to use communicators (you get a lot of static, for which you have to compensate) and transporters (you have to install custom filters or narrow the annular confinement beam or something) and sensors (at minimum, you have to reroute auxiliary power to the lateral sensor array).

      Magnetic fields can also be harnessed and used, e.g., as a confinement field (such as one might use to keep antimatter in its storage tank -- an important fuel source for starships; your warp reactor core wouldn't work without antimatter).

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    35. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just to be sure that you don't try this without being warned... these are many, Many, MANY grades of stainless steel, from the cheap trashcan that rusts a week after putting it into my bathroom, to the very study, very expensive medical grade.

      just a guess, but i'd bet a paycheck that those stainless magnets are A LOT more like trashcans than surgical implants.

    36. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by jonadab · · Score: 2

      > Anyway, the words "really" "bad" and "idea" come to mind here.

      He's a "body modification artist". Really bad ideas are a key aspect of his lifestyle.

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    37. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by JonySuede · · Score: 1

      My wife is pierced between the c7 and c8 vertebra and she do not get any infection from that huge piercing. Based on my anecdotal knowledge of the situation, I assert that those 4 small holes are not the good source of infection you think they are.

      Prove me wrong with quantified data or challenge me with 2 anecdotal evidences ;)

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    38. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nickel is a known carcinogen. I wouldn't want anything containing nickel implanted in me.

    39. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by BeaverCleaver · · Score: 1

      The vertebrae? That can't be a comfortable way to wear an iPod!

    40. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's got more to do with para and diamagnetism. The existence or lack thereof of unpaired electrons in the metal ion.

    41. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Vreejack · · Score: 1

      I agree with all of that except for your argument about the pain. Two words: bed sores.

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    42. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Even the fancy, we-make-cardiac-stents-out-of-this-stuff, grade is considered to be only moderately biocompatible. Apparently safe enough to beat the alternative; but they aren't pouring work into fancy new biocompatible polymers because steel is good enough...

    43. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be an idiot. I have several piercings and I haven't had any infections in years. I get more infections from scraping my hands up on a server rack then I ever have gotten from any metal I stuck through my skin. The only reason anyone ges an infection from a piercing is cause they are a dirty hippies who goes to a shitty artist or they are dumb enough to not clean a fresh hole regularly with saline.

      And before some other idiot comments on face metal and career advancement all mine are beneath clothing or in the case of my septum ring it pops up inside my nostrils and I look like any other networking nerd.

    44. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Aethelred+Unread · · Score: 0

      I've had piercings my whole adult life and haven't had any infections past the first week and that was my first one I didn't take care of according to my piercist's instructions. /. Has the predictable array of scared nerd comments based on ignorance and fear of anything that can lead to getting laid.

    45. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Bed sores occur in people who don't move for hours on end because they generally don't have a choice about it.

      Wearing an iPod 24x7? What kind of fucking imbecile would do that?

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    46. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by scyph · · Score: 1

      It's no worse an idea than piercing, and following the same aftercare, should heal in a similar way.

    47. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by scyph · · Score: 1

      Having things sticking through your skin (long term) is a great way to introduce infection into your body.

      Transdermals form a pocket under the skin (presuming you get past the rejection stage - which happens with most things of this nature). They're no more dangerous than a piercing,

    48. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by theelectron · · Score: 1

      Wearing an iPod 24x7? What kind of fucking imbecile would do that?

      Have you seen who uses iPods?

    49. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by tom17 · · Score: 1

      But with a piercing, I assumed that there is a 'skin tunnel' that is formed so you have a hole, but no open flesh. Is that right, or do you have open flesh if you remove a piercing?

      With this, I don't see how it would the same. I admit, I don't know much on the subject of any kind of implants, but I assumed a trans-dermal implant means that the implant is both inside and outside at the same time. IOW, there is a non-skin boundary between outside & inside.

    50. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by bobzaguy · · Score: 0

      Ah, velcro! Brilliant idea.

    51. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by bobzaguy · · Score: 0

      but won't it be just a surface hole?

    52. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > The existence or lack thereof of unpaired electrons in the metal ion.

      Which, like a lot of things, is different in a compound as compared to the pure element.

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    53. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      If piercing is helping you get laid, I hate to think what kind of trash you're sleeping with.

    54. Re:Magnets?! How to they %#^&^@# work? by dead_user · · Score: 1

      Yes, but stainless steel is non-magnetic. So why are we talking about stainless?

  3. Magnets in your body? That's nice. by maweki · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is nice but I rather be augmented sensewise than fashionwise by these magnets. I'd love one in my fingertip that induces a current whenever I am very near alternating current. Would give us the ability to feel electric energy or magnetic fields in general.
    Regarding the iPod: Actually, my pocket works very good, Thank you!

    1. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by RobertLTux · · Score: 4, Interesting

      fingertip magents would be a very BAD idea.

      the way it works is you have current whenever you have motion in a magnetic field so you would have all sorts of problems

      (besides all you would need really is a small coil not a magnet)

      (for details look up Right Hand Rule (electronics) in Wikipedia)

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    2. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by artor3 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Have fun getting an MRI.

    3. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Damion · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's pretty sweet. I've got one in my right thumb and index finger. I feel a buzz whenever there's a strong enough alternating field nearby, and a tug whenever I pass my hand near strong static magnets. I'll be walking down the street and feel sensors to detect the presence of cars, and I can feel the brakes in subway cars. Nothing particularly practical, but I figure I may get a couple of seconds warning before the shockwave if I ever feel an EMP.

      In terms of strength, I can basically pick up staples. Anything heavier falls off. Other magnets I can drag around on the table pretty easily, though it's uncomfortable to have them actually contact my fingers.

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    4. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      Attach wire to belt. Attach alligator clips to ends of wires. Attach clips to scrotum near testicles (labia if female). Voila you have a new sense like a shark. Enjoy the tour of power plant generator floor.

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    5. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Damion · · Score: 3

      Speaking as a guy with magnets in his fingertips, you're wrong. They're nowhere near strong enough to cause trouble.

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    6. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      I took the ends of magnets and actually adhered them to the back of the iPod

      He has magnets in his skin, and other magnets on the iPod.

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    7. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 1

      That is pretty awesome, but I still have to ask:

      Why?

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    8. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go on; some details please!

    9. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is nice but I rather be augmented sensewise than fashionwise by these magnets.

      And that right there is why you will never be part of the good, glorious, and right collective that is the almighty Apple. Please refrain from any further attempts to step out of your inferior social status, unclean one.

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    10. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by vlm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ah this old idea that pops up on /. every month or so.

      This is where I relate that you can get ALMOST the same experience temporarily with stretchy gloves and little magnets in the fingertips. Obviously buy gloves with fabric fingers just a little longer than your fingers. In the frozen north, in season, this is not much of a challenge... Florida /.ers are probably all like, gloves, what are those?

      It is fun for at least a couple hours. Try touching the body of a big motor or old fashioned xfrmr power supply. Variable speed AC/DC "universal" motors were not as much fun as I expected. Waving in front of a CRT screen is entertaining.

      You want gloves thick/strong enough to not tear, but not so thick as to lose sensation.

      GOOG for "magnetic wedding ring" and you'll find lots of crackpot "magnets cured mah arthritis" pure BS, but this is probably the ultimate in non-invasive experimentation. Unlike the Magnet-in-glove thing, I've not tried magnetic wedding rings.

      The biggest problem with "magnets/hands" is what happens when it inevitably cracks. Sharp little ceramic shards pinching slashed up tissue. So don't go giving steel plates a "high five".

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    11. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by scyph · · Score: 2

      How long was it from having them implanted to being able to feel the buzz? I had two done at the beginning of April: right ring finger and back of the hand. I'm yet to feel anything 'accidental' (if I hold a magnet nearby, they go nuts; I can pick up staples too).

    12. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Damion · · Score: 1

      Because it was there:Mountains::Because it was awesome:Subdermal mangets

      I like having senses other people don't. It doesn't give me any practical advantage, but it's neat.

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    13. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A couple of seconds of warning before an EMP: isn't that sufficient reason to mutilate your fingers?

    14. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Damion · · Score: 1

      See other posts I've made here. I went to a body modification guy who does these, it was a quick procedure, basically healed in a week. Once the swelling went down, I was able to feel more stuff. The things I feel most often are electric ranges, microwaves, security scanners at stores, and wall warts.

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    15. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Damion · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A week or two. Turn on a microwave--that should do it. Or go into a bookstore--you'll feel the scanners at the door.

      I live in NYC, where there are all kinds of things hidden behind walls and under the sidewalk. Maybe you're just in an area deficient in weirdness?

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    16. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by GungaDan · · Score: 2

      Why? "Subdermal mangets"

      Say no more, Dr. Freud, wink wink. Enjoy the man-getting!

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    17. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by kimvette · · Score: 2

      Or any kind of surgery (including oral or nasal) where the anesthesiologist will flat-out refuse to admit you until the microdermals are gone, leaving behind scars.

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    18. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      Seriously? Any chance of a link with some more info on that?

    19. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by scyph · · Score: 2

      Turn on a microwave--that should do it

      Yep, that worked. And now I recognise the feeling (from using my laptop and a few other things): what I was just putting down to sensitivity in my finger due to it being implanted (cut, lift, implant) is actually the magnet vibrating. Awesome! Thanks :)

    20. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by J'raxis · · Score: 2

      No different than someone with a bone fracture with metal pins in it...

    21. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      As another guy with fingertip magnets (one in each ring finger) I second this!

      Magnetic fields cause the tiny magnets to align to the field. You can feel the magnet inside the finger being attracted or repelled. In the case of alternating current, you have an oscillating electromagnetic field which causes the magnet to vibrate. There's no current being induced; you don't get shocked. If you want to try it without the implant, superglue a tiny rare earth magnet to your skin and go hunt some strong oscillating EM fields (AC adapters, some electric motors.) It's definitely a cool human augmentation, and kind of a comic book superpower. Sort of.

      In the case of the article, he's got subdermal anchors with magnets attached to the part that sticks out of the skin. I've been wondering if one could get the same magnetic sensory ability from this arrangement, feeling the vibrating magnet. You could switch it for different magnets, and the shaft sticking out of the skin would give the magnet more leverage in most alignments.

    22. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by mj1856 · · Score: 1

      Or explaining that to the TSA on your next trip to grandmas house.

    23. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by J'raxis · · Score: 1

      What is the reason for this? The fact that it's metal, the fact that it's implanted, or ...?

    24. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by kimvette · · Score: 1

      No links - Just dealt with having a microdermal removed back in February when I had my nose done. The anesthesiologists required that all piercings be removed. :-(

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    25. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by J'raxis · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a pretty good counter-surveillance technology, being able to know when you're in the presence of hidden metal / RFID / security strip detectors without carrying any overt detector-detectors.

      Now I'm wondering if something like this can be used to detect EM like radar or millimeter waves, or if not, what could?

    26. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Damion · · Score: 1

      hi5! :D

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    27. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The fact that MRI machines operate using a crazy-strong magnetic field. If you have a small magnet embedded in you, it's going to exert considerable force in an effort to become de-embedded. If you're lucky it won't tear a hole in anything vital on the way out.

    28. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      It won't be in there very long. He'll soon get fed up his arm sticking to car doors, etc. I don't think he's thought his cunning plan all the way through.

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    29. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Interesting. If anyone else cares, a somewhat enlightening bit of Googling on the subject seems to indicate that it varies from doctor to doctor, and that the main concern is the metal interfering with electrocauterisation equipment (in the case that something goes wrong during surgery, even if it wasn't intended to be used originally) and causing burns. It's a risk mitigation thing, and it appears that some places won't budge, whereas others will have you sign a release, with further variability based on the inherent risk of the type of surgery in question.

    30. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by J'raxis · · Score: 1

      GP is about anesthesia and general surgery, not MRIs.

    31. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by scyph · · Score: 1

      Gently..I'm still healing ;)

    32. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by compro01 · · Score: 1

      No, the title is wrong.

      He has a bio-compatible stainless steel place in his skin, and a magnet outside the skin sticking to that plate, and an ipod sticking to that magnet.

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    33. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by AgentPaper · · Score: 2

      For MRI, anything that might be even remotely magnetic is a no-go. Medical MRI systems start at 1.5 T and go up to 3 T, so anything in, on or near your body that can be affected by a magnetic field, will be. We have a two-page-long MRI safety form that we walk patients through prior to an MRI - if anything on the form is positive, you're not getting your scan until a radiologist reviews precisely what the offending item is and approves or denies the scan. (This includes tattoos, BTW - some tattoo pigments are ferrous, and the pigment particles can heat up enough under the MRI field to cause burns.)

      In the surgical environment, we're usually not dealing with magnets, but electrosurgery (i.e. Bovie pen) is ubiquitous, and implanted metal can do unpleasant things within the return circuit. Hence, if it isn't a known surgical implant (i.e. if we don't know precisely what its electrical and thermal conductive properties are), you're not going to the OR with it.

      Hope this helps!

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    34. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by russotto · · Score: 1

      For MRI, anything that might be even remotely magnetic is a no-go. Medical MRI systems start at 1.5 T and go up to 3 T, so anything in, on or near your body that can be affected by a magnetic field, will be.

      There are multiple effects. Anything ferromagnetic is going to be subject to the multi-T static field you mention, but the implants themselves could (and should) be non-magnetic surgical stainless steel. Obviously the magnets screwed into the top would have to be removed. The other effects are the heating and vibration from the currents induced in anything conductive by the RF coil. This would probably preclude scanning the area with the implant itself, because it might heat up enough to burn the skin, but I'm not sure how far outside the active area the implant would have to be to avoid that effect.

    35. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No different than someone with a bone fracture with metal pins in it...

      Yeah, most sane people don't want bone fractures and definitely not bone fractures which need metal pins to fix.

    36. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by wikdwarlock · · Score: 3, Funny

      STOPPPP! Don't high 5 or your hands will... Too late, now you're stuck like that. Forever.

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    37. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, most metal pins are non-magnetic (lots are titanium, some are non-magnetic stainless steel). Even if they are, they are attached firmly to the bone so you'll feel some pull but usually not an issue.

      This is a fricken magnet: you WILL feel significant pull from a 3T magnet. You'll also likely feel vibrations as the gradients pulse the field (think about putting a magnet inside the coil of a speaker). I know I wouldn't want to go into an MRI with a magnet embedded in my body.

    38. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Chas · · Score: 1

      Except that those pins are embedded in your bones. They aren't likely to move at all.

      A small nib of ferrous material not anchored by anything other than skin?

      Can you say *RRRRRIIIIIIPPPPPP!!!!!* ?

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    39. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Speaking of Freud, what other body parts can you install magnets in? Male and female, so you can really connect? On the other hand, getting a hard-on every time you go through a metal detector might be less convenient...

    40. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Last year I met a woman who had these, and wanted to ask all those questions, but I was very ill and it was late and I didn't get a chance.

      The one other question I had: are touch screens a problem?

    41. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      The iPod also has magnets glued to it. The rest of what you said is correct however.

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    42. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Aethelred+Unread · · Score: 0

      What do you thnk the MILLIONS of people with earrings do? Fucking /.ers.

    43. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Aethelred+Unread · · Score: 0

      Cool! I'm getting this done for sure. It's actually useful for work since I can trace pigtails without using the shittly fluke toner!

    44. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like having senses other people don't.

      Yeah... I think I have a sense you don't have...

    45. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by scyph · · Score: 1

      The one other question I had: are touch screens a problem?

      Not so far. I use my iPod, iPad, Android phone without any issues.

    46. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Inda · · Score: 1

      I have a metal wire behind the back of my teeth. It's been glued there for 20 years.

      I've also had MRIs.

      There's never been a problem with heating or tugging or anything else.

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    47. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by lxs · · Score: 1

      Did you study at the Wile E. Coyote School of Physics?

    48. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by AgentPaper · · Score: 1

      That's because surgical steel (316L) is non-magnetic and poorly conductive. The same material is used for sternal wires, joint implants and orthopedic stabilization hardware (pins, plates, screws, et al). Titanium is another common, non-magnetic material for implantables.

      We do scan people with implanted items, but the catch is that we need to know exactly what the implant is, what it's made of, and to what extent it'll react under a magnetic field. (Say for example you had your knee replaced in some developing country with a "DePew" or "Striker" * joint implant, then later require an MRI for diagnosis of head pain or back pain. Cue a very messy trip to the MR room and us writing your lawyer a very large check.) Hence the radiologist review if anything on your safety form pops up positive. Being as we know when your wire was installed and what it's made of, this would not pose a problem - but for the patient in the example, we're not scanning until we get the records from wherever and figure out what exactly is in that knee.

      * cf. DePuy or Stryker, internationally known makers of orthopedic hardware - implying that the example joint is a counterfeit made of common, magnetic steel.

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    49. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Now I'm wondering if something like this can be used to detect EM like radar or millimeter waves, or if not, what could?

      1 : Go to your local geek junk store and get several of those "WiFi detector" tee-shirts that were popular a half-millennium or so ago.
      2 : take one apart and experiment to see how it works (I recall mention of RF-sensitive dyes, but I find that a bit implausible ; thermo-sensitive dyes and embedded wires are less implausible ; but I've never hacked one, so I don't know ; multiple designs and technologies, including "fake" are possible)
      3 : using materials from your stock of WiFi tee shirts and your understanding of their technologies, make a sleeve panel for your jacket that reacts to GHz-ish radiation. tou may need to tune antennae to achieve your detailed plans.
      4 : ...
      5 : profit. (Actually, most of the likely profit accrued to you at stages 2 and 3, but you could conceivably at least cover your costs at this point.)

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    50. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Good to know. I'm still gonna use that to chat her up if I ever see her again.

    51. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is nice but I rather be augmented sensewise than fashionwise by these magnets. I'd love one in my fingertip that induces a current whenever I am very near alternating current. Would give us the ability to feel electric energy or magnetic fields in general.

      Regarding the iPod: Actually, my pocket works very good, Thank you!

      been done http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-05/electrical-engineer-can-feel-magnetic-fields-through-magnets-implanted-his-fingertips

    52. Re:Magnets in your body? That's nice. by robsku · · Score: 1

      Because. This is the kind of thing where only justifications you need are you liking the idea and there being no serious risks involved - besides that I'm sure there are many people who think it's stupid (I don't, I'm just uninterested to get this myself), but hey, nobody has to do this to themselves so they should just shut up :)

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  4. Medical issues by James_Duncan8181 · · Score: 1

    Any doctors around to comment on possible blood flow issues due to a build-up of metals in the veins behind that intense a magnetic field?

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    1. Re:Medical issues by Damion · · Score: 2

      The magnets that they use are coated pretty well. Mine are actually flat little magnets that are used in magnetic stirrers in chemistry labs. They're made to be as inert as possible.

      In the first generation, the guy who did them coated them with silicone that would rub off. It would cause the skin around the magnet to blacken once that happened. Once I found out that they fixed that problem, I jumped on it.

      Of course, if I ever need an MRI, I'll need them taken out.

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    2. Re:Medical issues by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      Also it appears the ones used in TFA are actually inert transdermal anchors with magnetic caps - in this case there's no reason to embed the actual magnets, whereas I'm assuming you got them for the whole 'extra sense' thing?

    3. Re:Medical issues by scyph · · Score: 3, Informative

      Of course, if I ever need an MRI, I'll need them taken out.

      Not necessarily:
      From: http://www.stevehaworth.com/wordpress/index.php/welcome-from-steve-haworth/magnetic-faq
      'However, we now know of a few people who have the magnets have gone through MRIs and this did not happen. One person reported that the magnet just vibrated very strongly. Another person reported that the techs shielded his hand, as they would with someone who had shrapnel or other implants.'

    4. Re:Medical issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RE: MRI, they can be covered with a shield. Though I don't have one myself, (yet) I've done lot's of reading. Iirc, someone has actually gotten an MRI without shielding their magnetic implant and suffered no ill effects, but don't take my word on that.

    5. Re:Medical issues by Damion · · Score: 1

      Ayup. My superpower might not be anything to write home about, but it's what I've got!

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    6. Re:Medical issues by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      +1 this. I was thinking the same thing. Like an oil drain plug that collects iron filings, I would think a subdermal magnet might collect iron from hemoglobin over the years.

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    7. Re:Medical issues by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      The iron in your blood is not magnetic.

      If anything, this would be a GOOD thing. You should not have any free flowing heavy metals in your blood. If you do, your kidneys are probably about to explode.

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    8. Re:Medical issues by X0563511 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wrong. The iron in hemoglobin is not magnetic.

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    9. Re:Medical issues by Ashenkase · · Score: 1

      Of course, if I ever need an MRI, I'll need them taken out.

      Don't worry, the MRI will remove them for you in one quick pulling motion.

    10. Re:Medical issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that was true, an MRI would rip the blood from your veins. Fortunately, the metals in your blood are not directly magnetic.

    11. Re:Medical issues by jonadab · · Score: 1

      If you have metals (note I did not say "compounds containing elements that would be metallic in elemental form"; I said "metals", which is not even remotely the same thing) in your veins, you're going to have very serious medical problems (death, for example, seems rather likely), totally irrespective of any magnetic field.

      Compounds do not share all the physical properties of their component elements. Blood, for example, is not magnetic any more than water is flammable or table salt is a room temperature gas (due to the iron or hydrogen or chlorine they contain, respectively). If you had little hunks of metal in your blood, magnetic fields would be the least of your worries.

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    12. Re:Medical issues by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Do you have to be careful with matches around water, because it contains hydrogen, which is dangerously flammable? If you put a lump of table salt in water, will it make sparks and loud noises? For that matter, why isn't table salt a toxic green gas at room temperature? Why don't people put lumps of charcoal on gold bands and wear them on their fingers? Why do toothpaste and mouthwash have fluoride in them, if fluorine is so dangerous that many chemists refuse to work with it? If bananas are good for you because they contain potassium, why can't you just eat lye?

      If compounds consistently inherited all the physical properties of their constituent elements, the world would be a rather different place.

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    13. Re:Medical issues by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Mine are actually flat little magnets that are used in magnetic stirrers in chemistry labs.

      Hmmm, the last of those that I used (I don't do wet chemistry very often ; corollary is that I'll recognies when it's needed and know how to do it) was about 6mm in diameter and 15mm long. It's designed so that you can pick it up off the floor when-not-if you drop it.

      That seems a little on the large size for a "fingertip" implant. Without having a ruler to hand (it's 3 stories down, in the locker with my hard hat and coveralls), the areas I'd classify as "fingertip" are about 10mm in diameter by 8mm thick.

      The idea of supergluing small, high-strength magnets to my fingertips does sound intriguing though. Non-invasive and reversible. I've had finger-tip-sliced-open accidents in the past, and while I wouldn't like a repeat, it's not a daunting level of maximum risk. And I've got several strong circa 3mm x 2mm magnets in the computer bag.

      Hmmm ; cyano-acrylate releasing compound ... shouldn't be too hard to get. I'll see if the site medic is in the smoking recroom.

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  5. amateurs by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    i do that with my macbook, on my chest

    "nice rack" they point and laugh

    yeah, it is a nice rack server, over WiMAX, neanderthals

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  6. FTFY: by DarkIye · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Subdermal Magnets Allow An Unusual Man To Wear an IPod Like a Watch"

    1. Re:FTFY: by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      in body piercing they are very common

      Given that the guy's a NJ tattoo artist, he probably associates with a culture that does consider the anchors normal and usual, and the added ability to hold devices turn something rather ordinary into an extra capability. While it's an iPod for a tattoo artist today, it could be an Android tablet for doctors tomorrow, a network monitor for IT staff, or sheet music for a piccolo player...

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    2. Re:FTFY: by ari_j · · Score: 2

      My concern is more with the "like a watch" comparison. Who here affixes his watch to his body with subdermal magnets?

    3. Re:FTFY: by MoonBuggy · · Score: 2

      Looking at the article, I was actually thinking this would be a lot cooler with a nice watch face than an iPod. Having it just sitting there without a strap seems like a subtle but kind of interesting way to modify a fairly standard accessory.

    4. Re:FTFY: by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      Srsly. A clear watch case with lots of exposed gears, (or maybe a red laser beam mounted next to my right eye) would look WAY cooler than a dumb old iPod.

    5. Re:FTFY: by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      You mean there are other ways to wear a watch?!

    6. Re:FTFY: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with duct tape? Lots of duct tape.

    7. Re:FTFY: by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      You mean there are other ways to wear a watch?!

      Go ask Captain Koons.

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    8. Re:FTFY: by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > You mean there are other ways to wear a watch?

      Absolutely. I wear my watch on a heavy iron chain hanging in a big loop from my eyelid piercing to my tongue ring. Sometimes it bangs against the screen of my personal webserver (a PowerEdge T620, maxed out at 768GB of RAM, and yes, it runs Linux), which is mounted on the I-beam that hangs from my nosering cables, but that's a minor inconvenience, easily offset by how handy it is to have both the watch and the web server with me at all times. I also keep seven brass caltrops in my left shoe, house my pet Cardassian vole inside my clothes, shave with an industrial grinding machine, and fight a kickboxing match against Chuck Norris every morning before breakfast. The server runs off a 72000VA online UPS that hangs between my legs, held up by the razor-wire loop cinched around my gonads. The UPS is continuously recharged by the generator I carry balanced on my head, which is powered by my farts.

      Actually, you know what? I don't really do any of that. In fact, I haven't used a watch in over a decade, because there are computers at home and at work and wall clocks pretty much everywhere else I ever go.

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    9. Re:FTFY: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Non-functional, useless gears you mean? Mechanical watches and magnets are natural enemies.

  7. Dangerous in an MRI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If he needed to have an MRI, the magnets would probably fly out of his skin.

  8. cancer me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm fairly sure this will not have any ill effects on your skin

  9. Until they make the entire case out of glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Rumors of the "Liquidmetal" all glass housing for iphone 5 have been around for over a month. The polished aluminum back plate's days are numbered. It will be most cost effective to eventually use the glass case designs on all iPod/Phone models. If it's as strong as claimed (several times stronger than steel) it may even replace the aluminum the uni-body fabrication process.

    1. Re:Until they make the entire case out of glass by Picass0 · · Score: 2

      An all glass laptop sounds cool, and from a design POV I can see Apple doing it. I think the determining factor will be performance of iPhone 5's case and cost of materials over time. Aluminum is cheap and can be recycled. I don't know how cost effective it will be to melt down and recycle liquidmetal.

      The liquidmetal process would probably involve a pouring or injection molds, where the laptop unibody fabrication is a milling process. Not that Apple hasn't retooled factories before.

    2. Re:Until they make the entire case out of glass by tom17 · · Score: 1

      I'm curious, what does this have to do with the article?

      Or do you think that Aluminium is magnetic?

    3. Re:Until they make the entire case out of glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh? You know aluminum doesn't stick to magnets either, yes? RTFA; he glued magnets onto the iPod Nano as well.

      BTW, liquidmetal is an amorphous metal. Calling it an "all glass housing" without clarifying it is seriously misleading, considering the common use of "glass" to mean only ceramic (usually silica-based) glasses.

    4. Re:Until they make the entire case out of glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better, even to make the case from common ordinary transparent aluminium, no?

  10. Stuck by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    This is a nice way to get stuck to a light pole when it isn't freezing or you're too squeamish to lick it.

  11. Doing this is not smart by jijacob · · Score: 1

    Obviously this guy won't see this comment, but it is not recommended that you leave anything of weight (especially other magnets) attached to subdermal magnets embedded under the skin. It prevents blood flow to the skin being pinched between the magnets, which can kill the skin and cause the body to reject the magnets or create a nasty infection. Similar to that buckyballs incident where a girl swallowed a couple and it really screwed her intestines up.

    1. Re:Doing this is not smart by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      If you look at TFA, they seem to be inert transdermal anchors with magnetic caps, so there shouldn't be any risk of pinching the tissue between them.

    2. Re:Doing this is not smart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What he's talking about is leaving something attached to them, like the iPod. It pinches the skin in between the embedded magnets and what you're attaching to them.

    3. Re:Doing this is not smart by jijacob · · Score: 1

      I realized I was incorrect after I submitted. The summary was misleading.

    4. Re:Doing this is not smart by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Informative

      The anchors themselves are transdermal (through the skin), not subdermal (entirely under the skin) as the headline states. The magnetic caps sit on top of the steel which is protruding outside the skin, and the iPod then sits on them.

    5. Re:Doing this is not smart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actually transdermal i.e., sticking out of the skin.

  12. You know... by nine-times · · Score: 3, Informative

    You know what else would allow you to wear an iPod like a watch? A watchband.

  13. Title is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a transdermal implant.

  14. Allows You To Wear an IPod Like a Watch? by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Funny, all the watches I've seen have a strap that goes around your wrist to hold the watch on, which is not a bad idea if you think about it.

    .

    If I'm having something implanted, it should at least do some interesting sensing - blood cell count, oxidation, glucose level, or at least my pulse.

    That, or covert I/O with an Internet-connected cognitive prosthesis.

    1. Re:Allows You To Wear an IPod Like a Watch? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Funny, all the watches I've seen have a strap that goes around your wrist to hold the watch on,

      Watches have a chain which attaches them to a button on your vest. And you keep them in a special watch pocket when not you're not winding them.

      Now stay off my lawn, kid!

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    2. Re:Allows You To Wear an IPod Like a Watch? by RDW · · Score: 1

      Funny, all the watches I've seen have a strap that goes around your wrist to hold the watch on, which is not a bad idea if you think about it.

      He's already thought of that. Guess what his next tattoo is going to be?

  15. Not new by evil_aaronm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've had a magnet stuck to my head for about 15 years. It's called a cochlear implant. There's a metal plate embedded in my skull, but a moderately heavy-duty magnet holds the inductor coil in place. As far as I can tell, I haven't had any problems with this.

    1. Re:Not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hear hear!

    2. Re:Not new by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Aaah, so that's your secret way to get all the chicks! I hear you!

    3. Re:Not new by evil_aaronm · · Score: 1

      Yes, you could say I have a "magnetic personality."

      Thanks! I'll be here all week. Do try the veal.

  16. Overkill by Hentes · · Score: 2

    It's also possible to achieve the same effect without humiliating your own body by using a strap.

    1. Re:Overkill by lewko · · Score: 1

      Correct.

      This guy is such a douchebag and I can't wait until he gets an MRI.

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    2. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure how you can qualify strapping an iPod Nano to your wrist as non-humiliating

    3. Re:Overkill by robsku · · Score: 1

      You are the douchebag here - what the hell is wrong with some people? It's not like it's your problem - and seems that you are wrong about whatever you think would happen too.

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  17. What a square by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    Geez, dude, go against the flow! What a way to be mainstream, buy the most produced MP3 player in the world. Some people just have to conform I guess. Me, I like to be different!

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  18. Hmmmm .... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    It's kind cool, and if you're that far into the whole body piercing thing, go ahead.

    But I've already seen commercial products which basically give you a watch strap to attach to the exact same iPod. Google for "ipod watch" and you'll find them.

    So, me, I'd stick with the solution which doesn't involve embedding something in my arm for a product which is likely to change over time or get replaced. Especially since I own more than one watch.

    Still, it is kind of cool from a certain perspective.

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  19. Lessons from the cochlear implant community by awtbfb · · Score: 1

    Magnets are used to keep the internal and external antennas aligned for cochlear implants. CIs have been around for a while, so the community has learned some important lessons. First, you need to plan for magnet removal in the event of an emergency MRI. Most CI users don't get MRIs but sometimes there is a critical need. Therefore, newer implant models allow a qualified doctor to make a small incision, pop the magnet out without damaging the implant, and then put everything back after the MRI. This is extremely rare for obvious reasons.

    Second, the magnet in the external component is usually tailored to the individual. The need for different strengths is due to magnet depth, hair, etc. There are several strength levels (e.g., high, medium, low) and you want one that will hold the coil tight, but not so tight that it leads to skin damage.

  20. Health Issues? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to wonder how safe it is to fix a sizable magnetic field to a part of your body, It could cause some health issues like higher iron content in the tissues surrounding the implanted magnet. Large magnetic fields in everyday life don't have deleterious effects because they are low intensity and/or momentary/varied exposures.

    1. Re:Health Issues? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      The iron in hemoglobin isn't affected by magnetic fields.

      Also, this technique has been used for some time to attach the external parts of cochlear implants.

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  21. Bad idea by Solandri · · Score: 1

    And not just because it'll kill the skin. I tried mounting my phone in my car using magnets, to use it as a GPS. The problem with magnets is that their field strength decreases with distance. So when I went over a bump which jostled the phone, the greater the jostle, the less force the magnets exerted to holding the phone in place. With each bump, the phone drifted further off the magnets, the retaining force decreased, making the phone less and less secure. Eventually after lots of bumps and jiggles, the phone fell off. It wasn't a matter of if, it was a matter of when unless I reached over to reposition the phone every few minutes. (It also screwed up the compass, but I knew that going in.)

    In contrast, with something that retains physically like velcro, as the distance between the phone and velcro increases, the retaining force also increases up until the point where the velcro detaches. It makes for a much more secure connection. That's what I'm using now - a strip of velcro stuck to the back of the phone's case. The better magnetic phone holders I've seen recess the magnet inside a plastic mount. That way the metal plate it latches onto is physically prevented from sliding around and drifting off the magnet. Not an option for something you're mounting in your body.

    Just because magnets are cool doesn't mean they're better. Use a strap.

  22. NMR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he needs an NMR, he would also be out of luck. Either that or surgery to remove the inplants.

  23. He'd better not .... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... scratch his balls with his left hand. Or those magnets will get stuck to his Prince Albert.

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  24. risky to some people by fluffythedestroyer · · Score: 1

    I hope this guy doesn't walk by a guy with a pacemaker. it's know there could be a risk with magnets and pacemakers.

    1. Re:risky to some people by fluffythedestroyer · · Score: 1

      Known*

    2. Re:risky to some people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Magnetic fields fall off as the fourth power of distance, and implanted magnets are tiny. Even if you poked a pacemaker user in the chest, I doubt there would be much effect.

    3. Re:risky to some people by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Three words : inverse square law.

      Unless he's putting his wrist directly to their chest, the field strength wouldn't be strong enough to do anything, and even at near-zero distance, this kind of magnet wouldn't likely be strong enough to have any effect

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  25. can you hear aurora borealis? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    i'm not making fun of you, hearing loss is of course not cool, but on this website, the personal experience of such implanted tech is very cool and interesting

    any anecdotes? you can hear power transformers?

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    1. Re:can you hear aurora borealis? by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      You'd be surprised how often people ask that question about hearing aids. I can't speak for the OP but personally I picked up a radio station ONCE in my life while wearing hearing aids. They were the analog kind that are completely behind the ear... not a cochlear implant. Anyhow I was within a few hundred feet of the radio tower as I was playing in the park nearby. Could only pick it up near the edge of the park while standing on a dirt hill.

      I think statistically you'll find more people who claim to have picked up radio on their fillings.

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    2. Re:can you hear aurora borealis? by evil_aaronm · · Score: 1

      Yes and no. GSM phones tend to interfere with it, worse when I use an external mic with a five foot cable (extra big antenna). Nope on aurora borealis. At least not that I can tell.

      However, back in '02 or '03, I was driving out to Syracuse, NY, came up and over a ridge that opened up to a Northrop Grumman plant - IIRC - with a shit-ton of satellite dishes near I-90, and it was the weirdest thing: like a wall of sound. I turned to another person in the car - no implant - and asked if they heard it. They said, "Hear what?" I must've been picking up something from the dishes, but it was intense - almost painful.

      I also pick up the anti-theft detectors at many stores and can sometimes tell when my Verizon phone switches towers: it makes a series of clicking noises. "Brrrrr-up-bup-bup." It depends on how close the phone is to my implant cables.

      Having spilled Northrop Grumman's secrets, I expect the guys in black Cadillacs any moment. It's been nice knowing you all...

    3. Re:can you hear aurora borealis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for the reply. My toddlers have cochlear implants and I wonder what sort of everyday non-audible interference they'll hear.

  26. Magnets and miracles... by itsdapead · · Score: 1

    He added: “I can go for a run and it won’t come off. I’ve already taken it to the gym and jogged with it on.”'"

    "Better still, my arthritis has completely cleared up, there's no chalk in my kettle and my car is now getting twice as many miles to the gallon..."

    Just hope this guy never needs a MRI scan...

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  27. Why didn't he just put his iPod ... by Dragged+Down+by+the · · Score: 1

    in the hole in his ear?

  28. Next Gen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about putting them in your chest to anchor a Next-Gen style communicator replica?

  29. Walmart is selling iPod nano straps by tepples · · Score: 1

    I was actually thinking this would be a lot cooler with a nice watch face than an iPod.

    In other words, this would work better with the "nice watch face" screensaver of an iPod nano. Walmart is selling straps for an iPod nano.

  30. Or, spend $30, and have a watchband you can.... by DontScotty · · Score: 1

    Take off, and still be eligible for medical treatment involving MRI. Additionally - the ipod is held physically, and won't get slid-knocked off should you brush against something. http://tinyurl.com/stupidmagnetguy

  31. Subdermal Magnets Allow You To... by kiehlster · · Score: 1

    ...perform frequent strip teases for your favorite TSA agent. ...strike an advertising deal with the makers of Bucky Balls. ...gaurantee that all compasses point toward you, thus allowing you to say the world revolves around you.

  32. wristband? by Convector · · Score: 1

    A lesser person might have just attached the iPod to a wristband, and worn that. Like an _actual_ watch.

    1. Re:wristband? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      Right, that's totally the same. That's why instead of getting a tattoo, I just get a friend to draw on my arm in ballpoint pen, and instead of piercings, I figured I'd just sort of balance and strap things on various body parts.

      The point isn't really to do things the same or in the most common, practical way. I have a half-sleeve up my forearm; it's neither practical nor common. But that was never the point.

      Some body modders do it for art, some do it because they're basically hacking their bodies. Very few of us are doing it conform.

    2. Re:wristband? by Convector · · Score: 1

      My original post was meant to be more a dig at the title than at anything else. Most watches are worn in the manner I described rather than with subdermal magnets.

  33. Real Nerds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Real Nerds would've implanted hex spacer screws in the correct allignment for mounting E-ATX boards on their chests. Trendy tattoo guy, meet the mobile server that comes with it's own admin attached!

  34. googlexlate by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    “I took the ends of magnets and actually adhered them to the back of the iPod, and that’s how they click into my skin.”

    Google Translation: "Hey! Look at me! Please?"

    1. Re:googlexlate by robsku · · Score: 1

      Yeah, so? Yes, people do that.

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  35. TRANSDERMAL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *TRANSDERMAL implants. Subdermals are below the skin and do not penetrate it, hence sub. Transdermals cross the skin. What kind of fucking idiot wrote this article? Aside: pretty fucking cool.

  36. Like a watch? by allo · · Score: 1

    My watch is not using magnets to stay in place.

  37. I've seen it happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you know?

  38. Re:Douche by Aethelred+Unread · · Score: 0

    Get a life, loser. Stop being angry on the internets

  39. iPod nano by ehiris · · Score: 1

    That is an iPod nano, not an iPod touch. Still pretty cool though.

  40. Magnets? by Rangelus · · Score: 1

    Is it so, if you're made of metal, he can attach himself to you?

  41. Consensus: Micro-Dermal Anchors Save Marriages by JamesonLewis3rd · · Score: 0

    Yes. It is true.

    My wife is now able to keep her car keys stuck to her forehead.

    Now all I have to do is say, "Did you check your forehead?" when she "loses" her keys. I am overwhelmed by her adjulation as she hails me as a hero many times per day.

    Added Bonus: If I drop a small metal object in the shag carpet, she can find it for me.

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