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LinuxMint13 RC Is Available For Testing

donadony writes "LinuxMint13 RC is available for testing. This release comes with two versions on separate DVDs: Mate and Cinnamon. LinuxMint13 Cinnamon is very light and offers some customization, integration of new applets, extensions and themes that can be found on the official website."

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  1. I hope the KDE version follows soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was looking for a good KDE distribution and recently tried the KDE version of Mint 12. Having come from Mandriva and openSUSE, I expected it to be more polished, but I was disappointed. There were several annoying bugs related to taskbar and window switching and no updates or fixes for them. I hope they include the latest KDE packages in 13 and fix those issues.

    1. Re:I hope the KDE version follows soon by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > few distributions are anywhere near as polished as Mandriva

      You're funny.

      Mandrake's day passed when it was still called Mandrake.

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    2. Re:I hope the KDE version follows soon by tdelaney · · Score: 2

      IIRC LM12 shipped with MATE 1.0, and it was explicitly said at the time that it was an early release and there would be issues.

      I've been using LMDE update pack 4 (with the current version MATE 1.2) and apart from some things being named differently (e.g. pluma instead of gedit) I can't notice any significant difference from Gnome2. Well, except that it seems snappier (but some people have a different experience, so make of that what you will).

  2. Re:Does it support IE 6 by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Funny

    I couldn't agree with you more. As someone learning web development I love IE 6.

    Did I fail to mention it says in my contract that I get paid double overtime? Keep it up and demand Windows 2000 and IE 5.5 support and I can get a new car!

  3. Yea, but... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

    Will it fix the wifi issues I've had since upgrading to LM12?


    For those wondering, it's an older Dell 1545 with a Broadcom wireless card - worked fine until I upgraded to LM12, suddenly it won't connect to a network (sees them, but won't connect) unless I use the hardware (F2) button to disable it for 5-10 minutes... not a huge deal, I have a few USB dongles, but it has forced me to spend far more time in my Win7 box than I would prefer.

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  4. Mint is nice, but... by cronot · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mint is nice, and it's the Linux flavor I'm using currently (although I use LMDE, not the standard Mint) after having left Ubuntu when they transitioned to Unity. The best thing about it is that the maintainer(s) actually listen to users regarding development directions, which was what drove them to develop Cinnamon and adopt MATE as an option - as opposed to Ubuntu / Canonical, that just forced down the users' throats their ideas and UI decisions, alienating a large part of their user base in the process.

    Having said that, there's still one thing that keeps me from recommending it to new users or users migrating out of Ubuntu: lack of automated upgrade procedure to newer major versions - one thing that Ubuntu has and generally works nice there. On Mint, the official procedure is to backup you files/settings using the backup tool, install the newer version from scratch on top of the existing install, and then restore the backup after. That's just too cumbersome. Yes, it's possible to upgrade without reinstalling by manually editing the sources.list file and upgrading manually with apt-get, but it's considered unsafe and error prone by the maintainers and hence not recommended. I did it anyway on a past install, and sure enough I had hiccups - I still had a working install, but there were a lot of rough edges and inconsistencies on the upgraded install. Because of that I ended up installing LMDE so I didn't have to worry about major version upgrades anymore. It's not a fully smooth ride either, but it's far more manageable, and having previous experience with Debian, I'm totally at home with it. But it's obviously not something I'd recommend to casual / new users either.

    1. Re:Mint is nice, but... by spasm · · Score: 4, Informative

      .. and kiss goodbye to your mysql & postgresql databases as well as any web sites you were developing in /var/www and for that matter anything at all that stores its data in /var..

      Your method is a decent one, but it requires that you know for sure you don't have any important data anywhere other than /home and /etc. The parent poster is complaining that on generic ubuntu you can do a full upgrade and not have to worry about this.

    2. Re:Mint is nice, but... by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      On Mint, the official procedure is to backup you files/settings using the backup tool, install the newer version from scratch on top of the existing install, and then restore the backup after. That's just too cumbersome.

      How did they screw up 'apt-get dist-upgrade' so badly? Why are all these Debian derivatives so much crappier than Debian? What's the point then?

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    3. Re:Mint is nice, but... by bcrowell · · Score: 2

      This doesn't really sound to me like a disadvantage of Mint relative to Ubuntu. I've been running ubuntu on my home desktop (a series of machines) since edgy. From edgy to precise makes 11 OS upgrades. (I'm not counting the multiple times when I replaced the machine and therefore naturally had a fresh install of ubuntu.) Of those 11 upgrades, 8 were at least minimally successful. Of the other three, one left me with a system that wouldn't boot reliably, and two left me with a system that wouldn't boot at all, forcing me to do a fresh install. When I say that 8 of them were at least minimally successful, that doesn't mean that everything worked immediately. In many of these upgrades, my system was left in a state where it was temporarily unusable or had severe problems, and it took quite a bit of effort to fix the problems.

      So in my experience there is something like a 20-30% chance that an ubuntu upgrade will force me to do a fresh install and restore my files from backup. In terms of its impact on me, that's not really that different from a 100% chance. Either way, I absolutely need to have all my files backed up before I do an upgrade. In fact, I might have had a net savings of time if I had intentionally done every one of those 11 upgrades as a fresh reinstall.

  5. What is it? (for the rest of us) by Kozz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, we can use the Goggle (an amusing misspelling of an acqaintance of mine), but it wouldn't hurt if the article would mention what these things actually are (or link to a page that directly explains what they are) instead of leaving me to guess. My research now shows that:

    1. Linux Mint is a linux distribution based on Ubuntu targeting users with little or no Linux experience.
    2. Cinnamon is a fork of the GNOME Shell.

    I don't live and breathe Linux, though I'm reading Slashdot pretty much every day. If someone wandered onto Slashdot by mistake, would they know what the heck this article is about?

    p.s. Shame on you for linking one particular mirror. Find your best download options here.

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  6. Re:Best Feature: No Unity by dmbasso · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had the same opinion until the latest release. I expressed here several times my frustration with both Unity and Gnome Shell, and ended up using LXDE with Compiz. With the release of Ubuntu 12.04 I decided to give Unity another chance, and to my suprise it is working pretty well. Everything I need is working, and I'm starting to get used to the 'lens' concept, which in the end will replace the gnome-do that I was used to.
    So, well done Canonical and Ubuntu community! :)

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  7. Re:WoW by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wine has improved by leaps and bounds in the last 6 months, so it would be very drastic if the last time you saw it was years ago.

    I am only suggesting as an option not that you should use it.

  8. Re:How does it compare to Gnome3? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cinnamon is basically Gnome 3 made to look more or less like Gnome 2 - i.e. the traditional taskbar, app menu etc.

  9. Re:I may just try Linux again by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

    Was using Gnome after the KDE 4.0 debacle. Repulsed by Unity. Tried Enlightment, found it lacked polish. Tried LXDE and gave up after the utility to configure my non-US keyboard was broken (patched upstream). XFCE works pretty well. Mate isn't too bad.

    Try KDE again. No, seriously. It's looking more polished and although it lost a lot of fans post 3.x, it has matured. The 'Activities' provide a nice separation between traditional desktop and touchscreen environments and plasmoids look cool. This seems like a better approach than the Unity-everywhere of Ubuntu.

  10. Re:WoW by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 4, Funny

    What do you think Wine is?

    Well, it's not an emulator, that's for sure!

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  11. Re:Thanks for mentioning that by cronot · · Score: 2

    I tried using it at the end of last year and I didn't get *any* updates for the 3 or 4 months I was using it. Not even security updates.

    That's because since the penultimate snapshot release of LMDE (which was at some time on the last quarter of last year) they've switched the repositories to use their own copy of a snapshot of Debian Testing, and every 5 months or so they release what they call "update packs", which is basically a more recent snapshot of Debian Testing with the packages therein more throughly tested for bugs and such. Before they started doing that, LMDE used the standard Debian Testing repositories.

    The intention on having a "snapshot repository" is to try to get the best of both worlds of rolling releases distributions and version-based distributions (i.e. Ubuntu). It's certainly not perfect, but works well enough for me, I don't mind it. Anyway, the maintainers says it's fine to swap out those Mint "snapshot repositories" with the standard Debian Testing repositories on sources.conf - of course, you're more likely to stumble into problems from time to time, and hence should be prepared to work around them or muddle through with them, but it shouldn't be any more problematic than using plain Debian Testing.