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Google Chrome Becomes World's No. 1 Browser

redletterdave writes "Just six months after Google Chrome eclipsed Mozilla's Firefox to become the world's second most popular Web browser, Chrome finally surpassed Microsoft's Internet Explorer on Sunday to become the most-used Web browser in the world, according to Statcounter. Since May 2011, Internet Explorer's global market share has been steadily decreasing from 43.9 percent to 31.4 percent of all worldwide users. In that time, Chrome has climbed from below 20 percent to nearly 32 percent of the market share. Yet, while Chrome is now the No. 1 browser in the world, it still lags behind Internet Explorer here in the U.S., but that will soon change. Chrome currently has 27.1 percent of the U.S. market share, compared to Internet Explorer's 30.9 percent, but IE is seeing significant drop-offs in usage while Chrome continues to rise."

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  1. Chromium, by pecosdave · · Score: 5, Informative

    Like Chrome without the invasive EULA.

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    1. Re:Chromium, by cpu6502 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I tell friends the same, but they don't listen. They don't seem to care that Google is monitoring their travels across the web and building a profile on them.

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    2. Re:Chromium, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They don't seem to care that Google is monitoring their travels across the web and building a profile on them.

      That's correct. I don't care that they build a profile to more effectively target ads that I ignore toward me.

    3. Re:Chromium, by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I tell friends the same, but they don't listen. They don't seem to care that Google is monitoring their travels across the web and building a profile on them.

      Or it could be because people looking for Chromium give up after they can't find it on the first page of their site. And the first link points right back to Chrome.

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    4. Re:Chromium, by lance_of_the_apes · · Score: 3, Informative

      Doesn't Chromium actually require building? I have no idea where to find a compiled exe.

    5. Re:Chromium, by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Informative

      Doesn't Chromium actually require building? I have no idea where to find a compiled exe.

      It doesn't require building, but after nearly an hour of searching their website I still couldn't find a direct link to this: http://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/download-chromium

      Which has a prebuilt version.

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    6. Re:Chromium, by pecosdave · · Score: 2

      I like that Chromium also, but I tend to spend my time on Power Manga instead.

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    7. Re:Chromium, by dudpixel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I tell friends the same, but they don't listen. They don't seem to care that Google is monitoring their travels across the web and building a profile on them.

      ...so that they can show them ads they might be interested in. (oh how sinister!).

      Has anyone got evidence of any other activity done with this "profile"?

      The only arguments I've heard that carry any weight is the "what if someone hacked google" or "law enforcement getting their hands on it without a warrant" - but these would be a concern for many things we use every day, not just Google.

      For me, the decision has always been to either live in a cave or just accept that there's a (very very small) risk and just enjoy what everyone else enjoys. The benefit far outweighs any risk IMO. I suspect most people feel the same way (rather than being completely ignorant as many on here seem to assume).

      Chromium still wants you to "sign in" anyway - so isn't that the same thing?

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    8. Re:Chromium, by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It doesn't require building, but after nearly an hour of searching their website I still couldn't find a direct link to this:

      It cost me all of 5 seconds. What are you trying to accomplish here? I definitely have the feeling you guys are trying to create the impression that Google is trying to hide the Chromium builds, or something.

      - Go to google
      - Type "download chromium"
      - Click first link
      - Again, click the first prominently displayed link, which is in a bigger font, and printed bold

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    9. Re:Chromium, by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 2

      Thing is, depending on how well they profile you, you may not be ignoring those ads! Oh the calamity if all the ads you were shown actually resulted in an unavoidable sale... [I think this is google's real plan... no joke.]

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  2. False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Statcounter just tracks requests. Google Chrome started using pre-loading pages, which artificially inflates page views.

    Move along.

    1. Re:False by Kjella · · Score: 5, Informative

      Statcounter just tracks requests. Google Chrome started using pre-loading pages, which artificially inflates page views. Move along.

      Actually they've changed that:

      Prerendering adjustment

      Further to a significant number of user requests, we are now adjusting our browser stats to remove the effect of prerendering in Google Chrome. From May 1 2012, prerendered pages (that are not actually viewed) are not included in our stats. More information on this is available in our FAQ.

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    2. Re:False by arose · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That hardly explains why Chrome's gains match up with IE loses with Firefox staying about the same.

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    3. Re:False by sexconker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You think it's a mandatorily-enabled setting, do you?

      Every default setting is mandatory for 99% of users for the simple fact that they don't know they what it is or how to change it.

  3. But what are the weekday numbers like? by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The "Chrome effect" is the spike of internet trends that only happens on the weekends because geeks and other home-enthusiasts are using alternative browsers since there is no real restriction. What is the percentage of use during 9a-5p monday through friday? Looking at intra-week stats shows this heavily favors IE, or at least it has in the past. What is the trend for business adoption of alternative browsers?

    1. Re:But what are the weekday numbers like? by Kjella · · Score: 2

      I don't know any stats company that gives out data on a per hour basis so you can compare business and non-business hours, not to mention not everyone is working but the weekends usually look like this: Chrome +2%, IE -2% and Firefox about even.

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    2. Re:But what are the weekday numbers like? by PPH · · Score: 2

      If you're working in IT for a company

      A small fraction of the corporate web browser seats that generate these statistics. If we build airplanes, for example, you are going to have a difficult time convincing management that your choice of web browser matters. Want to leave? Fine. That just provides ammunition for the people that want to outsource the whole IT process to India.

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    3. Re:But what are the weekday numbers like? by jeffmeden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you're working in IT for a company that still mandates IE6 -- leave. There is high demand for IT workers from good companies that are not on the IE6 FAIL wagon. Failure to upgrade past XP/IE6 is just a symptom. You might as well leave on your own terms. Your job is not going to be around long anyway.

      That's what a lot of people said about COBOL... Thirty years ago...

      Installbase is all that matters. Safety in numbers, and all that. If there are XP and IE6 deployments, there will be demand for apps, which will sustain deployment.

    4. Re:But what are the weekday numbers like? by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stats companies can't break out their stats?

      Of course they can, but the first taste is free and for publicity. If you want details, they want to get paid. Seems to be a working business model to me.

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  4. Yay? by cpu6502 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not sure what to think. I've wanted Microsoft to lose its dominance ever since it eclipsed Netscape browser in 1999, but to replace one evil company that abuses it users, with another evil company that spies on people, is like a pyrrhic victory.

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    1. Re:Yay? by wvmarle · · Score: 2

      You can use Firefox instead. Or one of many other browsers.

      The important thing here is not so much IE losing the #1 position. It's actually irrelevant since they went under 60, 70% or so. Now pretty much all web pages work fine for pretty much all browsers - compare that to 10 years ago when a large part of the web was IE-only. To view those pages you had to use IE, and companies got away with it because >90% did use IE which came with some convenient but proprietary extensions, and it was not worth catering for the other <10%.

      Developers now code to standards, to make it work for all their users. Sure it's all not perfect and so (yet) but having a browser ecosystem with three major browsers with a large userbase (plus a whole lot of alternatives) but each well under half the total market is what counts. You have real choice now. You're not forced anymore to use IE to see a web page, you can use any browser you like. If you don't like IE and Chrome/Chromium, use FF, Safari, Opera, whatever: they all will do the job just fine.

      IE falling from the #1 spot is just psychologically important. It goes to show how far MS has fallen. And it proves that Windows may be next - if only a truly viable competitor shows up.

    2. Re:Yay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Slashdot should have a "level of evil" monitor for major tech companies.

    3. Re:Yay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or slashdot should grow up and realize things aren't as simple as their comic books.

    4. Re:Yay? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      But why would you care? Ever since web devs quit building "this site is made for IE 6" websites frankly it really doesn't matter WHAT browser folks use as finally all the websites can be rendered in any of the major (and even most minor) browsers without the least bit of trouble. And funny you should talk about evil and mention Netscape as they were just as proprietary and nasty as MSFT, or did everyone forget the "blink" tag and other NS only crap?

      But as you noted in your sig we now have Seamonkey , plus Pale Moon, FF, Chrome, Chromium, Dragon, QTWeb, SWIron, Safari, Opera, Kmeleon and Kmeleon CCF ME, hell probably a dozen more I haven't named and they all just work across the vast majority of the web without hassle or rendering problems.

      So as long as MSFT can no longer dictate the web "Works best in IE (version number)" frankly I don't give a rat's ass what the majority uses because the rest of us have a wealth of choices. And isn't THAT what really matters? that nobody is tied to a single browser just to be able to use the web?

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    5. Re:Yay? by wvmarle · · Score: 2

      >>>To view those pages you had to use IE,

      Or not. I rarely used IE. It was Mosaic, then Netscape, then Firefox as my main browsers, and all of them appeared to render everything just fine.

      Many company web pages I have had issues with. Banks were especially notorious to require IE.

      And the thing is: everything APPEARS to render just fine. Until you talk to someone on the phone and discuss things you can find on that page, and you can't find the link because that part of the page is simply not rendered. I also have had many issues with links (often javascript) that just didn't work in Mozilla, while it worked fine in IE.

  5. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by RanCossack · · Score: 4, Informative

    They game and spam other search engines

    I clicked your link. I read the article you linked. It has nothing at all to do with the text you provided for it. O_o

    I can't tell if you accidentally linked the wrong article, or were doing a pretty clever gamble... :o

  6. Re:Superior browser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's see:
    -The toolbar can't be customized
    -No real AdBlock
    -Extensions are glorified userscripts
    -Installs Google Updater
    -Memory usage goes through the roof with a lot of tabs opened (higher than Firefox could ever hope it to go)

    Yeah...

  7. Re:Superior browser by characterZer0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except for plugins.

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  8. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can you please list some Chrome only tags? Are these tags Google created? Or are these HTML 5 tags that other browsers don't exactly support yet?

  9. Chrome is not open source by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some of, but not all of, Chrome is open-source. You really want that transparency in a web browser these days. Use Chromium instead.

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  10. False, according to Statcounter by chrb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    BROWSERS: Do you adjust your browser stats for prerendering/pre-loading?

    Two browsers are affected by preview-type requests - Chrome and Safari.

    Chrome

    Further to a significant number of user requests, we are now adjusting our browser stats to remove the effect of prerendering in Google Chrome. From 1 May 2012, prerendered pages (which are not actually viewed) are not included in our stats.

    Some points to note:

    Prerendering was announced by Chrome in June 2011. This change did not have any significant impact on our stats.
    Chrome is currently allowing the detection of prerendering behavior via its Page Visibility API.
    Google specifically states:
    "Important: This is an experimental API and may change-or even be removed-in the future, especially as the Page Visibility API standard, which is an early draft, evolves."

    This means that in the future it may not be possible to track/remove the effect of prerendering on Chrome.

    If other browsers adopt prerendering then it may not be possible to track/remove the effect of prerendering on those browsers. In that case, the fairest solution would be to include all page views (prerendered or not) for all browsers rather than only excluding prerendering in Chrome. That scenario would require us to revisit this methodology change in the future.

    Safari

    The Top Sites feature in Safari shows preview thumbnails of frequently visited sites. These preview thumbnails are refreshed by Safari periodically. Unfortunately, it is not possible to exclude these previews from being tracked. To get a bit technical, this is because the "X-Purpose: preview" header is only sent with the request for the base page. The header is not sent as part of requests for images, CSS or JavaScript that have to be downloaded and executed as part of the Top Sites preview. With online web analytics (as provided by StatCounter) the relevant header information is not passed so these preview requests can't be detected and therefore can't be removed. Ideally Safari will change this to ensure to send the "X-Purpose: preview" header with all Top Sites HTTP requests, however this is not the case at present.

  11. Time for cake! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Where is the cake for Google, Microsoft?
    You love to send one to Mozilla every so often, why not Google? Look at how far they have come! Isn't it amazing? Wittle Goog all growed up!

    What? No cake policy? Aw, you're just no fun now.

    1. Re:Time for cake! by recoiledsnake · · Score: 4, Funny

      Where is the cake for Google, Microsoft?
      You love to send one to Mozilla every so often, why not Google? Look at how far they have come! Isn't it amazing? Wittle Goog all growed up!

      What? No cake policy? Aw, you're just no fun now.

      They stopped sending cakes to Mozilla when they switched to the fast release model for Firefox, once they realized that they were spending a million a quarter on cakes because of a Firefox version coming out every time someone sneezed.

      I believe the same would hold for Chrome as well.

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  12. Not seeing this on a large UK website by mjpg · · Score: 2

    These are the figures for visitors to a 250,000 visits a month site in the UK:

    Internet Explorer 44%
    Safari 20%
    Chrome 17%
    Firefox 13%

    In any case, I'm not sure what 'choice' many visitors have. Some people get what their IT department installs, others stick with what is on (eg Mac/Safari or Windows/IE), others with what their familt IT support insists on.

    1. Re:Not seeing this on a large UK website by Shados · · Score: 4, Informative

      Safari will always be significantly higher than it should unless you code specifically to ignore the splashscreen's preview feature's HTTP header, which you cannot do in javascript (have to do it with server code), if you're using Google Analytics (very likely).

      Thats because that stupid splashscreen executes everything, from javascript to flash ads, and thus trigger all tracking scripts and stuff.

      That ends up with you seeing ultra-inflated safari figures, as well as inflated safari bounce rate.

      On our site (not huge my some standards, but still several hundred thousand hits per day), and catering to a younger demographic (so higher than usual safari), about 30-40% of our safari hits are "fake" because of this.

    2. Re:Not seeing this on a large UK website by mjpg · · Score: 2

      The site is general and has no Apple content. The reason above (Safari previews) is correct and the figures are not adjusted to allow for that. From the Safari bounce rate and av. time on site, I'd say a third of the 20% may be previews. - So a better estimate may be:

      Internet Explorer 47%
      Chrome 18%
      Safari 14%
      Firefox 14%

  13. Well deserved by Compaqt · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sorry, but it's not just because of marketing.

    The fact is Chrome's a good browser, it moved the state of the web forward, and Chrome's win is well deserved.

    In hindsight, Chrome's dropping of the menu was brilliant. I actually don't use 99% of the time.

    Secondly, it's fast. It loads pages fast. It loads fast from a cold start. It loads a new tab fast. It loads a new window fast with Ctrl+n. Firefox is sluggish by comparison.

    Thirdly, it doesn't have a propensity to crash. I don't bother quitting it if I want to restart it. I just kill it with xkill. I know that there won't be a problem (data corruption or whatever) when it starts up again. If there's some other problem (laptop battery down), it opens the tabs I had open if I tell it to.

    By contrast, it's a joke how every time Firefox opens it has the "Well, this is embarrassing" tab ("We couldn't open the tabs you had open last time due to some error, etc.").

    Fourth, there's the "senior moments". It's when the Firefox window goes gray in Ubuntu. Seems it happens randomly. Even little kids have picked up on that ("the internet's not working!"). No, Firefox is not working. Doesn't happen in Chrome/Chromium.

    As for tracking, use Chromium and turn query completion off.

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    1. Re:Well deserved by partofme · · Score: 2

      I know that there won't be a problem (data corruption or whatever) when it starts up again. If there's some other problem (laptop battery down), it opens the tabs I had open if I tell it to.

      That's not true actually. I've had Chrome fucked up several times after crashing or computer suddenly going down. So much that it was unable to recover and I had to manually go into the hidden applications data folder and delete all files it used. At the same time Chrome also couldn't recover the passwords file, so I had to start writing them all in again (thank god I use password manager and didn't only rely on Chrome's ability to remember the passwords).

    2. Re:Well deserved by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The extensions are shite.

      Real garbage - and the updating of extensions is primitive, at best.

      With all the assets they own or control - Google Code, anyone? - you think that this would improve. No luck. From the Google POV, users should NOT have control over their browsing experience, any more than users of televisions do.

      The fact is, Firefox is a browsing TOOLKIT. Chrome is a HTML TV.

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    3. Re:Well deserved by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      >>>Chrome's dropping of the menu was brilliant

      Opera did that a long, long time ago. Also Chrome put the menu on the right side. I remember when Netscape 6/7 did that, and they were roundly criticized for violating Windows Usability Standards (species left location). But google? It's okay for them.

      >>>fast

      Slow as snails on my PC due to opening ~9 different processes (silly) and hogging memory (poor coding). I still use Firefox because it doesn't randomly freeze-up for 30 seconds.

      >>>it doesn't have a propensity to crash

      Yeah Chrome doesn't crash for me either. It just doesn't respond for 5 minutes (usually with a popup asking if I want to kill all my open tabs). Eventually I get fed-up and force a close via Task Manager, just as if the browser had crashed.

      >>>We couldn't open the tabs you had open last time due to some error, etc.").

      I experienced that with Chrome just yesterday, except where Firefox lets you recover the broken tabs, Chrome just erased them! :-(

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    4. Re:Well deserved by lgw · · Score: 2

      If Chrome runs poorly on my OS that's a Chrome problem, plain and simple. OS bigotry is very 1990s ...

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    5. Re:Well deserved by Compaqt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most people want a car, not a mobility toolkit.

      For 95% of what I do, that's great--i.e., browsing.

      Of course, there's Firefox with FasterFox, Web Developer, ScreenGrab, and some others installed for the 5%.

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    6. Re:Well deserved by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Great! An automotive strawman, to extend my television metaphor beyond the point of application. :-)

      Given the the explicit choice, most people don't want a car that reports their exact activity to police, advertisers and insurance companies, 7/24.

      Many would resort to "tooling" for their cars, in the effort to disable this.

      Radar detector? Reflective licence-plate shield? Yanking the seatbelt chime?

      Every day occurrence.

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    7. Re:Well deserved by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Where is the Chrome extension of any significant value that is equal to its Firefox counterpart?

      Adblock and Ghostery are better on Safari, than Chrome - and Safari's versions BLOW.

      What about the Chrome equivalent of Firebug, or RESTclient, or even Greasemonkey? What about DownloadHelper or DownLoadThemAll? What about FireFTP?

      How about Zotero? Nothing this sophisticated, powerful and simple exists in the Chromiverse. The ports to Chrome and Safari can be best described as experimental.

      In fact, it is the breadth of Firefox extensibility that best argues its case. The Chrome portal by contrast, is littered with simple CSS shifters for Facebook and YouTube.

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    8. Re:Well deserved by arkane1234 · · Score: 2

      Since Chrome works beautifully on OSX Snow Leopard & Lion, Windows 7, and Linux in all of my cases, you might want to revisit that thought...

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    9. Re:Well deserved by smash · · Score: 2

      Chrome works just fine on my Pentium D from 2004. In Windows 7. It works just fine in virtual machines with 512mb of RAM running XP. Snappy, in fact. If chrome doesn't work for you either your hardware is WAY out of date, under spec or you have malware.

      I don't run it any more due to the total lack of trust I have in Google, but the browser performs well, regardless.

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  14. good by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Still mainly a Safari (Mac) man myself, but I'm happy to see anything knock IE off its perch.

  15. Re:Superior browser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Except for noscript. There's nothing even close to noscript. The existing attempts to implement something like noscript on chrome are just awful beyond belief. I don't give a damn if chrome's JS engine is safer, I don't want the annoyance of JS-powered ads. Nor do I want the annoyance of having it globally turned off and being cumbersome to re-enable.

  16. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >>>tags that only Chrome understands, I wish they would stop doing that and stick to ratified standard.

    Netscape/Mozilla did it when they were dominant. Microsoft did it too. Now it's google's turn.

    BTW both those companies are good examples of how no monopoly lasts forever. New upstarts come-along and end the monopoly.

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  17. Yes Yay, Celebrate the Competition by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not sure what to think. I've wanted Microsoft to lose its dominance ever since it eclipsed Netscape browser in 1999, but to replace one evil company that abuses it users, with another evil company that spies on people, is like a pyrrhic victory.

    My logic is to celebrate the contenders even if it's just more of the same corporations. Am I the only web developer that noticed that Internet Exploder started getting passably decent as Firefox & Chrome were breathing down their necks? I welcome any sort of race when before it was just the aborted full frontal lobotomy that is IE6 as a candidate.

    Besides, roll your own chromium and kiss any privacy raping proprietary ties goodbye if you want (and without the loss of HTML5 support and standards).

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    1. Re:Yes Yay, Celebrate the Competition by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fuck Flash.

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    2. Re:Yes Yay, Celebrate the Competition by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      Am I the only web developer that noticed that Internet Exploder started getting passably decent as Firefox & Chrome were breathing down their necks?

      I was thinking about something like that earlier. I seem to remember Microsoft making a claim around 2004 that they were stopping development on IE, that IE6 would be the last version with patches as needed (I don't have a source for that though). Then Firefox 1.0 came out in November of 2004, then Microsoft announced IE7 in Feb 05. I was thinking about the state we're in today, where we have 3 browsers competing for the top spot (sadly, my beloved Opera is still where it always has been), and realizing that IE9 and now IE10 are like day and night compared to previous versions. It made me think about what would have happened if development really did stop at IE6, and I involuntarily shuddered. IE9 can hold its own against any of the others on top, and I expect good results with IE10 also. I'm not sure exactly when it happened, but at some point a few years ago the IE team redefined their goals to be much closer to what they should have been all along.

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    3. Re:Yes Yay, Celebrate the Competition by smash · · Score: 2

      Yup, IE9 is decent. No maybe it is not the fastest browser out there. But as a baseline that you know will be installed sooner or later by most Windows users, it is good. It renders things fast enough, has hardware accelerated graphics, can be secured fairly well.

      I have no major problems using IE9 on PC, Safari on my Mac, and Firefox on my *nix installs. They're all "good enoough".

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  18. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by a90Tj2P7 · · Score: 2
    My personal favorite has always been having Adobe offer Chrome when downloading Flash. I'm downloading a plugin for my browser, I don't want another browser.

    Even supporting CISPA.

    Read your own links. They haven't "supported the bill", they've "been supportive of finding the right language for the bill". As in, trying to fix it.

  19. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by marcosdumay · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nearly so. You can opt out if you find the checkbox hidden in a dark room in Alpha Centaury behind a warning of beware the leopard.

    But they don't force people to actualy use it.

  20. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    And Google knows when you wipe your arse, what you did it with, and how much you paid the undocumented nanny, while you were distracted from child-rearing, by the arse-wiping task.

    They are willing to sell this to bidders. Don't worry! It's only in the "Aggregate". ;-)

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  21. I would like Chrome a lot better if by overshoot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it weren't designed primarily as an advertising medium that optimises the browser as a vehicle for tracking users.

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  22. My humble theory by trifish · · Score: 2, Informative

    I see a problem with StatCounter stats -- biased demography. StatCounter (in contrast to other players) is used predominantly by small to medium sites.

    Now who is the most frequent visitor to a small or obscure site? The webmaster! They keep looking at their site many times every day.

    Hence, most of the StatCounter stats are from the webmaster demography. I can assure you that webmasters are biased towards Google. That means that they are more likely to use Google browser.

    If you use a stats source that is used only by the biggest players (a la microsoft.com), you will see totally different stats:

    IE: 54.09%
    Firefox: 20.20%
    Chrome: 18.85%

    http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=0&qpcustomd=0

    1. Re:My humble theory by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Informative

      Now who is the most frequent visitor to a small or obscure site? The webmaster!
      Hence, most of the StatCounter stats are from the webmaster demography.

      That seems like a pretty major jump to make without any evidence. The only time I visit a site I've built is when someone reports a problem. The site owner can update their own content, they don't need me with my fancy Opera to do that.

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    2. Re:My humble theory by edxwelch · · Score: 3, Informative

      Those stats are cooked using "geo-weighting":
      http://marketshare.hitslink.com/faq.aspx#Country

      You might want to this blog, which explains it better:

      http://encosia.com/cooking-the-books-is-hard-and-doesnt-help-anyone/

    3. Re:My humble theory by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 2

      Out of the 5 trackers listed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_browser_usage#Summary_table, only 1 agrees with statcounter - the other 3 report, on average, *less* usage of MSIE than statcounter.

      So, sorry, your theory is flawed.

  23. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by chrb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    they pay makers of Angry Birds to have Chrome-only HTML5 version of their game

    make websites that purposely only work with Chrome

    There is no such thing as "Chrome-only HTML5" - those sites are just HTML5, that will work with Chrome. The sites will also run on other browsers if they support HTML5; it's hardly Google's fault if other browsers do not support HTML5, is it?

    They game and spam other search engines [zdnet.com] like Bing too.

    Interesting article! Did you bother to read it? In fact, it's the complete opposite of trying to game and spam search engines:

    Google has demoted its Chrome home page in results for a search using the keyword "browser" following an effort to have bloggers promote the Google browser that backfired. Now, there is no Chrome ad at the top of the results or link to the Chrome page anywhere on the first page of results on Google. It's ranked in position 50, according to Danny Sullivan of SearchEngineLand, which first reported this news.

    Google's statement, according to SearchEngineLand, is:

    "We've investigated and are taking manual action to demote www.google.com/chrome and lower the site's PageRank for a period of at least 60 days.We strive to enforce Google's webmaster guidelines consistently in order to provide better search results for users. While Google did not authorize this campaign, and we can find no remaining violations of our webmaster guidelines, we believe Google should be held to a higher standard, so we have taken stricter action than we would against a typical site."

  24. Re:Do not go gentle into that good night by binarylarry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mozilla: the company that dropped Linux support on their latest work.

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  25. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by jbolden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Netscape monopoly was overthrown by Microsoft being willing to lose great deals of money and depending on your outlook being willing to leverage another monopoly.

    The IE monopoly might very well have lasted a lot longer with concerted effort and government support.

    I'm not sure how those examples lead to sanguine confidence that technological lock in is no bid deal.

  26. Android? by peppepz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do these statistics include the default browser on Android devices in the "Chrome" group? Otherwise I'm extremely surprised by them. I can't believe that there's more than a person installing Chrome for each one that uses a PC without knowing what a "browser" is (and therefore is an IE user).

  27. so, what you're saying is, by Eponymous+Hero · · Score: 3, Funny

    there were two eclipses yesterday.

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  28. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article sez: Google was spamming its own results, but stopped when people called them on it.

    No it doesn't. To quote:

    Google's statement, according to SearchEngineLand, is:

    "We've investigated and are taking manual action to demote www.google.com/chrome and lower the site's PageRank for a period of at least 60 days.We strive to enforce Google's webmaster guidelines consistently in order to provide better search results for users.

    While Google did not authorize this campaign, and we can find no remaining violations of our webmaster guidelines, we believe Google should be held to a higher standard, so we have taken stricter action than we would against a typical site."

    The demotion is a response to a campaign in which bloggers were found posting low-quality content related to Google Chrome in an effort to promote a Google video about King Arthur Flour. At least one of the posts had a hyperlink to the Chrome download page, which can help a site rise in Google search results through Google's PageRank algorithm. But paying people to include such links violates Google's guidelines.

    "So far, only one page in the sponsored post campaign has been spotted with a 'straight' link that passed credit to the Chrome page," Sullivan writes. "It's also unlikely that the campaign overall was designed to build links. But my impression is that Google's deciding to penalize itself anyway with a PR reduction, to be safe."

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  29. Attention hipsters: by gman003 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Chrome has now "sold out", and may only be used "ironically".

    The current "hip" browser is now Lynx in an xterm window set to use Helvetica (it's "vintage"). Please adjust your usage accordingly.

  30. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    BTW both those companies are good examples of how no monopoly lasts forever.

    This argument always grates with me, as if the fact that no monopoly (or anything else in existence) lasts forever somehow makes it okay. Firstly, it can still last a *damn* long time and hold things back for a significant part of one's lifetime. Secondly, in a lot of these cases, one monopoly can be (and frequently is) replaced by another soon after- something that is often touched upon or even accepted by those making that argument, yet with the assumption that this is somehow okay and significantly better than a single, long-lived monopoly.

    Well, it's not. The fact that a monopoly might eventually fall when one is old and grey, only to be replaced with another monopoly (yay!) is a piss-poor substitute for a proper balanced and free market.

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  31. Re:Superior browser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    - Toolbar for what? Just to take up space and give me more shit to click?
    - AdBlock works perfectly fine in Chrome for me. I don't know where this shit keeps coming from. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cfhdojbkjhnklbpkdaibdccddilifddb
    - Extensions work fine for me. Not sure what you're driving at on this point.
    - Don't have a problem with Google Updater. Does it not work on your system or does it consume too many resources?
    - Memory usage across all chrome processes is about the same as Firefox for the same tabs. Sometimes a little more or less. It's inconsequential on my modern computer with 8 GB of RAM.

    Chrome is faster, more stable, doesn't require admin rights to update it (that's a big one if you ask me), doesn't have clutter all over the screen.

  32. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by Eirenarch · · Score: 2

    Why tags? How about Chrome Native Client the equivallent to ActiveX?

  33. Including or excluding Chromium? by unixisc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do these numbers include or exclude Chromium? Btw, congratulations, Google!

  34. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by Dishevel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So. If I make something really fucking cool that people all want then I suck?
    Or am I evil?
    Am I screwing over the market?

    Being a monopoly is not a bad thing. Abusing monopoly powers is.

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  35. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by similar_name · · Score: 2

    It also helps that MS ties its browser to its own operating systems. As tablets and smart phones are used more and more to access the Internet and with so many of those devices running non MS operating systems, Internet Explorer market share will continue to fall. Four short years ago Windows had 95% market share. For 2012 it is at 85%.

    The real danger for MS is that as more and more people become familiar with other operating systems like iOS and android they will eventually become more comfortable with the idea of a non-MS pc. If I were MS I would segregate my products and let each compete on its own on any OS. Even for businesses, there is a move to web apps and making sure they work on iOS and android so there is becoming less and less need for Windows (there are still a lot of businesses that need Windows but the trend is clear).

  36. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by sudonymous · · Score: 2

    There is no such thing as "HTML5"

    FTFY. It is a work in progress. Nothing called "HTML5" has been agreed upon by all parties.

    those sites are just HTML5, that will work with Chrome

    Because Google paid to have them work with Chrome. And since HTML5 isn't a standard, other browsers don't act exactly the same as Chrome, so it won't work quite the same. Not that it couldn't, if someone paid to have it developed for the other browser.

    The sites will also run on other browsers if they support HTML5; it's hardly Google's fault if other browsers do not support HTML5, is it?

    It's hardly other browsers' fault if Google decides to make Chrome slightly different, since there's no standard for HTML5 yet. Other browsers will support HTML5 once HTML5 actually exists. Right now it's a mish-mash of features that everyone calls "HTML5" but aren't standard across-the-board.

  37. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by BZ · · Score: 4, Informative

    > How so?They install chrome w/o permission?

    They have in the past, yes. For example, until Microsoft bought Skype, a default Skype install would install Chrome and make it your default browser. If you wanted to avoid that you had to jump through some hoops during the install.

    How much money do you think Google paid Skype for that deal?

    They have similar deals with Adobe (installing Flash will install Chrome too), some antivirus vendors (Kaspersky, say), and lots of other software distributors.

    Welcome the the way business is done in the Googleplex.

    > What??? It doesn't run on HTML5 Firefox or IE9?

    Nope. It explicitly sniffs for WebKit and refuses to run on other browsers.

    > What error does it give you?

    "Your browser is not supported".

  38. Re:Superior browser by paladinsama · · Score: 2, Insightful

    - Don't have a problem with Google Updater. Does it not work on your system or does it consume too many resources?

    Google Updater runs as a service, that has no visible setting to disable, calls home and install whatever is flagged as an update with the default settings Google wants. You are giving Google full administrator access to a computer and if some other company ever though of doing that, there would be uproar.

  39. Re:Superior browser by arkane1234 · · Score: 3, Informative

    sigh...


    Let's see:
    -The toolbar can't be customized
    -No real AdBlock
    -Extensions are glorified userscripts
    -Installs Google Updater
    -Memory usage goes through the roof with a lot of tabs opened (higher than Firefox could ever hope it to go)

    Yeah...

    Let's see:
    -Toolbar isn't manipulated to hell and back, but does have movable components.
    -I have AdBlock running on mine right now.
    -Extensions are components created by someone to do something inside of the browser. It doesn't matter what they are made from, unless it slows things down. (That wasn't meant as a jab against Firefox)
    -The updater can be turned on/off in settings.
    -I have 4Gb on my laptop and I've had 20+ tabs open with Windows 7 (work computer... not personal). No issues.

    yeah... jesus, you sound like a Mac hater or something, just making shit up randomly.

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  40. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by BZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > those sites are just HTML5,

    No, those sites are HTML5 plus some browser-specific additions, some of which are Chrome-only, some of which are WebKit-only, some of which are IE-only, some of which are Gecko-only, some of which are Firefox-only, etc.

    > The sites will also run on other browsers if they
    > support HTML5

    Oh, really? Please try running http://getcrackin.angrybirds.com/ in a non-WebKit browser. The page relies on sniffing for a -webkit CSS property in a way that relies on a bug in WebKit's CSSOM implementation, and if that bug is not present of if that prefixed property is not supported, will just show you a "This game can only be played on Chrome" message and a "Download Chrome" button instead of just letting you play the damn game.

    Of course if you change the source of your browser to duplicate the CSSOM bug and pretend to have support for that -webkit property, the game does work (especially well if you also add support for yet another non-standard CSS property, actually).

    > it's hardly Google's fault if other browsers do not
    > support HTML5

    It's Google's fault if they push the idea that "Chrome" and "HTML5" are the same thing. It leads to sites like the one linked above and comments like yours....

    Insofar as one can talk about "Google" as a monolithic entity anyway. Which is not very much, as evidenced by the quote you give. There are a number of distinct parts of Google that have pretty different goals (e.g. the people doing marketing and bundling deals for Chrome are pretty scummy, the Youtube folks want to build DRM support into HTML, the actual Chrome developers are pretty reasonable for the most part and not exactly always happy with the actions of other parts of Google).

  41. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by rtfa-troll · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why tags? How about Chrome Native Client the equivallent to ActiveX?

    Native Client is equivalent to ActiveX in the same way that Google's evil is equivalent to Microsoft's; only occasionally and mostly by accident.

    • ActiveX requires your code to be signed by Microsoft; Native client works for anyone.
    • ActiveX fully trusts the code delivered; Native client aims to 100% sandbox it.
    • ActiveX is single OS / Single architecture; Native client is trying to become cross platform.
    • ActiveX was a closed single vendor system; Native client is pretty open and competitors could easily use it if they wanted.

    I think Native Client is a bit of a misguided experiment. I worry that a sandbox implemented directly on so many different physical processors will have great difficulty being secure. However, it's not that they aren't aware of these worries and aren't trying to take them into account.

    Every time that someone tries to say that "Microsoft is not as evil as they used to be" remember that they keep trying to add features from the above ActiveX list into their new ARM based Windows. Neither Apple nor Google will ever be as sneakily anti-customer, anti-consumer and anti-humanity as Microsoft is. Not even if their management specifically sets out to be.

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  42. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Monopolies are NOT illegal. I swear to god this is one of the most misunderstood facets of US law. The Sherman Anti-Trust law establishes one illegal act. This is for a Trust (a business with a monopoly on a sector of the economy) to use that Trust to gain another Trust in a second business. In other words, it's illegal for Microsoft who has a monopoly in Operating Systems to use that Monopoly to gain a Monopoly in Internet Browsers.

    The Sherman Anti-Trust act came about because the large Trusts of the early 20th century used their Trust to gain control of other businesses. Carnegie used his Trust in Railroads to gain a trust in Steel and Coal. Rockefeller used is Trust in Oil to manipulate early Automobiles, plastics and the petrochemical industry. JP Morgan used is Banking Trust to basically screw everyone.

    It's not illegal to have a Trust or to gain a Trust unless you already have a Trust that you are using to gain a second one. The Sherman Anti-Trust act has as a penalty for abuse of a Trust in that it allows the government to forcibly break up the business into smaller pieces (or leavy a fine and restrict the business), but if you never abuse the Trust you can't be punished under the Act. Admittedly it's hard for a Trust NOT to abuse the Trust to further their business but it's not illegal to have a Trust.

  43. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by Dogtanian · · Score: 2

    Monopolies are not anything other than good. The only times a monopoly is bad is when...

    The problem with saying something so ludicrously OTT like "monopolies are not anything other than good" is that you then sound like you're contradicting yourself in your next sentence. "Monopolies are generally good except when..." would have sounded more level, but would not have let you express your apparent love of monopolies(!)

    Other than those cases the ability for a monopoly to exists comes only from its ability to server its market extremely well.

    That's exceptionally naive. What about monopolies formed from companies intentionally buying out their competition (which doesn't even *have* to be done via "abusive practices")?

    There is nearly a monopoly in the search industry. Because Google did so well for so long. Now Microsoft is spending massively to become better. This makes Google need to step up their own system to keep on top. This is good for us. Which ever way you go you get served better.

    And what happens in situations where it would cost a massive amount of money to enter a market, and it still wouldn't be worth it because the monopolistic market leader was so far ahead and likely to remain there due to the network effect and/or economies of scale?

    Facebook is bordering on this, Google+ has not proven to be a success so far despite probably being the most likely to topple them. Are Facebook being abusive in order to maintain their position?

    If not, does this then make it desirable that I have no real choice if I wish to use a social network (the whole point being to use the one that everyone else uses) despite Facebook's laughably bad-faith approach to privacy?

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  44. Re:Superior browser by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

    Installs Google Updater

    You havent installed Firefox 12, or looked at their blueprints, have you?

    Heres a hint, the mozilla folks see the Updater and its ability to do less-than-frustrating updates as a good thing, and are working on (and have already released) an updater service for Firefox.

    Of course, it can be uninstalled....but then, so can google updater.

    I might also add, since we're taking potshots at browsers...
    Firefox:
    - Most frustrating upgrade experience for users in existence. No MSIs, no update service, randomly begs for admin rights, cripples extensions on upgrade... (though all of that sans the MSIs is in the works for a fix)
    - Much slower than Chrome
    - Tab performance leaves much to be desired
    - Stock HTML inspection isnt really comparable to Chromes inspector

  45. Re:Do not go gentle into that good night by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

    Hes talking about the update service I presume, which is retarded since Linux has built in mechanisms to keep Firefox current and doesnt need a dedicated daemon to do so.

  46. Re:Superior browser by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And all the rants above about Chrome and the rest of the Chromium based browsers is missing one thing...there is a REASON why FF usage has been dropping like a stone, and that is the devs at FF have taken a 'fuck you, we're going this way!" attitude that is running off their users!

    This is one thing I give credit to all the different Chromium based browsers for because there have been VERY few UI changes and the ones that have happened have been fairly subtle. the FF devs seem to get a bug up their ass and totally crap all over the UI without a care in the world as to what the users think. Hell look at these mockups of the next UI by Mozilla and they might as well say "We ONLY want Windows 8 users! If you aren't into Metro UI then piss off" and is it ANY wonder that Chrome and its ilk have blown away FF?

    I used FF before it was even called FF and the Moz Suite before that but it has been obvious at least to me that somewhere between V4 and V7 that they quit giving a fuck what the users thought and became nothing but devs scratching itches. The rise of Chrome is a classic case of users voting with their feet as if the FF devs had just held a damned poll and ASKED WHAT WE WANTED then frankly they wouldn't have seen their users nosedive as its pretty damned clear that like me most users do not want to go where they are heading.

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  47. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by DragonWriter · · Score: 2

    Monopolies are NOT illegal. I swear to god this is one of the most misunderstood facets of US law.

    You actually aren't helping it be understood well.

    The Sherman Anti-Trust law establishes one illegal act.

    This is true only for astoundingly large values of "one".

    This is for a Trust (a business with a monopoly on a sector of the economy) to use that Trust to gain another Trust in a second business.

    A "trust" is not a business with a monopoly, but a particular form of combination of businesses (whether or not it forms a monopoly.) And the Sherman Anti-Trust Act (15 USC Sec. 1-7) itself (and, a fortiori, US antitrust law which includes but is not limited to the Sherman Act) makes illegal more than just leveraging an existing monopoly to monopolize another area of business. Particularly, the Sherman Act:

    1. Makes a felony of "[e]very contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nation." (15 USC Sec. 1)
    2. Makes a felony of "[e]very contract, combination in form of trust or otherwise, or conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce in any Territory of the United States or of the District of Columbia, or in restraint of trade or commerce between any such Territory and another, or between any such Territory or Territories and any State or States or the District of Columbia, or with foreign nations, or between the District of Columbia and any State or States or foreign nations" (15 USC Sec. 3(a))
    3. Makes it a felony to "monopolize, or attempt to monopolize, or combine or conspire with any other person or persons, to monopolize any part of the trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations" (15 USC Sec. 2)
    4. Makes it a felony to "monopolize, or attempt to monopolize, or combine or conspire with any other person or persons, to monopolize any part of the trade or commerce in any Territory of the United States or of the District of Columbia, or between any such Territory and another, or between any such Territory or Territories and any State or States or the District of Columbia, or with foreign nations, or between the District of Columbia, and any State or States or foreign nations" (15 USC Sec. 3(b))

      You can reasonably argue that Sec. 1 and Sec. 3(a) are the same "act", and that Sec. 2 and Sec. 3(b) are the same "act", which gets you two illegal acts under the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. But you can't reasonably argue that there is only one illegal act created by the Sherman Act.

      Also, the Sherman Act isn't the whole of US Antitrust Law, which also includes the Clayton Act (15 USC 12-27, 29 USC 52-53) and other provisions.

      The Sherman Anti-Trust act has as a penalty for abuse of a Trust in that it allows the government to forcibly break up the business into smaller pieces (or leavy a fine and restrict the business)

      The Sherman Act does not actually specify (or limit) the remedies for violation, aside from the criminal fines, or even expressly make final equitable relief available (preliminary injunctions are specifically referred to in the Sherman Act.) The Clayton Act does expressly provide (and regulate) some equitable remedies available for violations of Antitrust laws (including the Sherman Act.)

  48. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by RobbieCrash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Should they not promote their own products on their own pages? Should Apple include a link to Dell in its search results?

    Yeah yeah, Google's a search engine used to find information on other sites, fuck off. That argument holds no weight and is complete bullshit. When I go to Dell's support site, I am looking for support results, but still get offers on other Dell products, same with Microsoft, same with Ubuntu, same with any other fucking company.

    Google is under no obligation to hide their other products. Now, if they were spoofing the search results and spamming Chrome links in the results any time anyone searched for internet browser I'd agree with you. But they're not, they're putting a sparkly ad on their front page, and one ad in the Ads section on the main page. Big, fucking deal.

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  49. Re:Superior browser by Malvineous · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let's see:
    -The toolbar can't be customized
    -No real AdBlock
    -Extensions are glorified userscripts
    -Installs Google Updater
    -Memory usage goes through the roof with a lot of tabs opened (higher than Firefox could ever hope it to go)

    Don't worry, I'm sure Mozilla are working on getting these features into Firefox as we speak!

  50. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by DragonWriter · · Score: 2

    Nope. It explicitly sniffs for WebKit and refuses to run on other browsers.

    Sniffing for WebKit doesn't make it Chrome-only.

  51. Real reason why IE is falling. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

    By the way, there is a MAJOR reason why usage of Internet Explorer is falling: it lacks automatic spell check. I've read a lot of web browser users have switched to Firefox or Chrome in Windows XP/Vista/7 because IE 8.0 (Windows XP) and IE 9.0 (Vista/7) lack the ability to check spelling.

    However, IE 10.0 for Windows 7 and 8 does include spell-checking for the first time, and that may dissuade a good number of users from using alternatives. And unlike IE 8.0 and 9.0, IE 10.0 is WAY more HTML 5.0 compliant, too.

  52. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by BZ · · Score: 2

    What does it make it, for you? WebKit-only?

    Note that it sniffs for WebKit and if it doesn't find it tells the user to go download Chrome.

  53. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by similar_name · · Score: 2

    A brand new, fresh install of Windows of any OS variation going to google.com will see a "get chrome" button.

    The user will be using Internet Explorer because it was installed when Windows was. The home page will default to a Microsoft site like MSN or Bing then the user will have to navigate to Google (by actually typing something in), click on the Chrome is great button, download it and run it after accepting a warning that files from the internet my be dangerous. It is hard to argue Google has some kind of unfair advantage here. If people are actually clicking on what amounts to another ad it shows that they like Google.

    More rambling by me To go even further the Internet Explorer icon doesn't get removed. Changing the default browser doesn't have much of an effect since most people are likely to get online by open the browser directly. Hmmm, I wonder how many people download Chrome and use it because it defaults to opening on Google's homepage. Given that most people don't know how to change their homepage I could see people opening Chrome just because they think it is a link straight to Google search and with IE they have to type it in each time.

  54. Re:Huge directory hangs browser by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    So to prevent that, grab the number from:

    Okay good idea, but here's the problem. If you're trying to make an alternative product, you want it to be easy to find yes? Otherwise you're making something that only geeks would use. Isn't the point of making something to distribute it and gain recognition for it?

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  55. Re:Huge directory hangs browser by tomofumi · · Score: 2

    actually the chromium builds are all located here: http://chromium-build.appspot.com/p/chromium/console but i think it is too technical for average users to know how to use it and d/l stuff from there...Maybe that's what Google wants you to go back to d/l chrome instead?

  56. Re:No wonder Chrome is gaining users by BZ · · Score: 3, Informative

    > But did Google *pay* for Angry Birds to do that?

    I have no idea what their contract, if any, with Angry Birds looked like.

    But they have certainly been encouraging web developers to do just that, yes.

    > And what is your source for that Skype behaviour?

    Personal experience, for one thing. You can see a screenshot from the advanced install at http://people.mozilla.org/~khuey/skype-install-2011-10-3.png if you want.

    As far as a Google search not finding anything.... https://www.google.com/search?q=skype+chrome+bundling shows http://www.webmasterworld.com/goog/4135280.htm and http://www.winrumors.com/skype-for-windows-updated-to-remove-google-product-bundling/ and http://mynetx.net/6494/skype-removes-google-integration

    It also finds, not coincidentally, http://www.osnews.com/comments/25184 (do read the first response too!) and http://www.salsitasoft.com/2011/09/23/wonder-how-chrome-is-growing-market-share-ask-adobe/

    A similar search on Bing also finds http://www.quora.com/Just-got-a-Skype-update-and-they-wanted-me-to-install-Chrome-Why

  57. Scriptno works for me by anarcat · · Score: 2
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