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Facebook Releases Instagram Clone, Two Months After Acquisition

redletterdave writes "Six days after the company's IPO and two months after it acquired photo-sharing app company Instagram for $1 billion, Facebook debuted a photo app of its own on Thursday, called Facebook Camera. The app is now available as a free download in the App Store, and it's currently only available for iPhone and iPod Touch owners. Facebook Camera is set up very similarly to Instagram and includes most of the same features (including photo filters), but Dirk Stoop, Facebook's product manager for photos, said Facebook was working on this application long before the Instagram acquisition on April 9."

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  1. Microsoft of social networking? by Pecisk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seems that Facebook not only have taken Bill's money, but also followed his footsteps in dealing with competition.

    Actually I don't even care anymore. I don't use FB that frueqently, and slowly migrating away to G+ for geeky stuff. For rest I have email :)

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    1. Re:Microsoft of social networking? by Ihmhi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think this represents an interesting dichotomy for geeks.

      For instance, you might have the whole "going to dinner parties with the wife" thing in order to maintain a social norm. Meanwhile, you'd rather be in your garage tinkering with a Raspberry Pi or Arduino or something in your garage and making an anti-squirrel turret for your backyard.

      As I'm getting older I'm realizing more and more that the hobbies I find intellectually satisfying are rarely something that can be plugged into a social component. As good (and intelligent) as my friends are, most of them wouldn't want to spend an afternoon learning something interesting in Perl or building a robot for the fuck of it. We go out for drinks or to a diner or something like that. I'm finding that I have to divorce "intellectually stimulating" from "social interaction" more and more every day.

      No wonder we spend all of our time in the basement. It's the only place we can get any of the really interesting shit done, and almost no one wants to join us.

    2. Re:Microsoft of social networking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      And how do you think every other corporation handles it? Google, Apple, Oracle, ... whichever you like the most, also does it. Buy, disassemble, take the interesting bits, and throw away (or sell) the leftovers.

    3. Re:Microsoft of social networking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pick up a hobby that blends well with a social component. Homebrewing beer, for example.

    4. Re:Microsoft of social networking? by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually they are turning into something akin to Microsoft, but not for the reasons you described. In the past(and to a lesser extent even today) Microsoft would often release several different, but completely incompatible, versions of the same thing. For instance 2 different DRM schemes, neither which was compatible with the other or even many of Microsofts own products for that matter. At one point they had THREE mobile operating systems on the market, all incompatible with the others software. This is not a recipe for success, and Microsofts slow, painful, but inexorable decline proves it.

    5. Re:Microsoft of social networking? by nozzo · · Score: 2

      "I'm finding that I have to divorce "intellectually stimulating" from "social interaction" more and more every day" wow, you've just described the way I feel. What we need is to combine the two to have "intellectually stimulating social interaction". Something like a geek club where you can bring your projects to show-off or have a brainstorm debug session, drink beer and have a good time.

    6. Re:Microsoft of social networking? by Stele · · Score: 2

      Key parties yo!

    7. Re:Microsoft of social networking? by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny

      No wonder we spend all of our time in the basement. It's the only place we can get any of the really interesting shit done, and almost no one wants to join us.

      Old joke:

      Three NASA engineers, one from headquarters in Washington, one from the Johnson center in Houston, and one from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena were discussing whether it was better to have a wife or a mistress.

      The HQ guy said it was better to have a mistress, because they are more understanding of the long absences required of a NASA employee. The Johnson guy retorted, "Oh, no, one must always follow proper rules and procedures, and marriage is the proper procedure, so it is better to have a wife."

      The JPL engineer replied, "No, it is better to have both. That way, you can tell your wife that you're with your mistress, your mistress that you're with your wife, and go to the lab and work."

    8. Re:Microsoft of social networking? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      you'd rather be in your garage tinkering with a Raspberry Pi or Arduino or something in your garage

      Yo dawg...

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    9. Re:Microsoft of social networking? by SolitaryMan · · Score: 2

      You know, 40 or so people interacting and socializing, variously discussing work, kids, vacations, cars ... that kind of stuff.

      Honestly, to me this sounds horrifying.

      There is life outside of geek, and it can actually be quite rewarding.

      Different people like different kind of stuff.

      May be I'm just getting old too fast, but I find these social interactions more and more shallow and pointless. When I was young, going to this kind of social events was a good way to meet girls, but now that I'm married this point is gone. It can also be good for "networking", getting to know people you can have business relationship with. Looking back, however, I see that all my relationships with people I met this way are pretty shallow too. Many of them are geeks, but it turned out that even as geeks we are interested in different kind of stuff. Some of them are theoretical physicists, some electric engineers, some programmers, and at the end of the day, pretty much the only things we can talk about is stuff we equally suck at: finances, cars, etc.

      With other activities, like surfing, biking, boating, skiing, whatever, I don't see any point in doing it in a social group too: people who are worse at it are just holding back those who are good. So, what is the reward, exactly?

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  2. No wonder shares are dropping by dejanc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just how bubbly was it for Facebook to spend $1 billion on Instagram? Whether they wanted to destroy competition or whatever they wanted to do, this just makes no sense at all. I am sure people at Facebook know stuff that the general public doesn't, but this just seems like a ridiculous way to do business.

    1. Re:No wonder shares are dropping by Theophany · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, which is weird because getting served with a class action lawsuit and an SEC investigation days after your IPO generally points to a company worth handing your money over to.

      The company, by its own admission, is not convinced that they can monetise the mobile user experience, so for them to be wasting time, money and resources on flash in the pan shite like Instagram points to a company that isn't worth the paper its shares are printed on.

    2. Re:No wonder shares are dropping by Rich0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Just ask anybody who made a ton of money off of credit default swaps in 2007 - paper is worth whatever you can get somebody else to pay for it. I'd say that 80% of the "value" of the stock in most trendy companies is based on hype, and you can make a lot of money off of that hype if you're an insider.

      If you come out with a new laptop everybody yawns. If you come out with a new tablet people invest money. If you come out with a new pink sleeve for an iPad your stock will soar. Investors are like a big stampede, and if you wave a red flag in the direction they're all running in you'll get lots of money.

      The thing is, it doesn't matter how many people are screaming about how great an investment CDS's, or tulips, or whatever is. Eventually you run out of new money, and the whole thing has to stand on whatever real-world earnings it can find. If those aren't there, then the whole situation gets ugly fast, and everybody is screaming for a bailout because "nobody could have seen this coming."

      I think K summed it up fairly well - a person is intelligent, but people are dumb.

    3. Re:No wonder shares are dropping by ericloewe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's absurd. While I have never (and am not planning to) used Instagram, I find the whole concept redundant, especially because if you must absolutely share your pictures, any decent smartphone OS will do that automatically, or at least with minimal fuss.

      This reminds me of the .com bubble - worthless companies with no real products (social networking is not a tangible product capable of surviving something big) having their value inflated to absurd levels, with billion dollar transactions being thrown around.

    4. Re:No wonder shares are dropping by N1AK · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's absurd. While I have never (and am not planning to) used Instagram, I find the whole concept redundant

      And what exactly does your own inability to find a use show? I've toyed with Instagram and still use it to upload some images to FB/Twitter etc; that doesn't prove much of anything. A lot of people use Instagram, they evidently have found something about the concept that isn't redundant.

      Personally I see nothing worrying about Facebook doing this. They probably started devoping it before they acquired Instagram. Generally dev costs aren't that huge and this allows them to try different functionality/integrations on the two platforms while taking the best of each and incorporating it into the other.

    5. Re:No wonder shares are dropping by TuringTest · · Score: 3, Funny

      And this is the optimal most efficient possible solution that a free market creates, how again?

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    6. Re:No wonder shares are dropping by drkstr1 · · Score: 2

      And this is the optimal most efficient possible solution that a free market creates, how again?

      It's not. A free market economy would let these company fail, and allow a lower barrier of entry for competition. The free market truly shines when there is high liquidity and many participants. The current economic system we have favors the former, but not the later.

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    7. Re:No wonder shares are dropping by ceriphim · · Score: 2

      It's absurd. While I have never (and am not planning to) used Instagram, I find the whole concept redundant, especially because if you must absolutely share your pictures, any decent smartphone OS will do that automatically, or at least with minimal fuss.

      Ok, so you admit you've never used it, don't understand it, and declared it redundant based purely off of your perceptions. You then go on to unintentionally prove how clueless you are about its' function. Well played.

      Let me help you out here: For me, Instagram is about sharing and viewing snapshots in my life and my friends' lives. It cuts out all the "sponsored tweet/story/ad" bullshit if FB and Twitter, leaving you with (mostly) all content and no filler. That's why my friends and I use it. This is a situation much like when you see an ad for a product you think is stupid or doesn't make sense - it probably isn't intended for you.

  3. Patents by Teun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They (FB) must have felt it was cheaper to buy the whole company then to litigate about stupid patents and copy rights.

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    1. Re:Patents by hantms · · Score: 2

      They (FB) must have felt it was cheaper to buy the whole company then to litigate about stupid patents and copy rights.

      One billion buys a lot of litigation.. And besides, Instagram wouldn't be the only company in the world with any patents related to messing with saturation and hue of a digital image.

    2. Re:Patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They (FB) must have felt it was cheaper to buy the whole company then to litigate about stupid patents and copy rights.

      Um... so they reduced the field of potential litigants by one small company that hasn't been around long enough to build up much of a patent portfolio and doesn't have any particular history of litigating?

  4. "working on this application long before" by game+kid · · Score: 3, Funny

    Facebook Camera is set up very similarly to Instagram and includes most of the same features (including photo filters), but Dirk Stoop, Facebook's product manager for photos, said Facebook was working on this application long before the Instagram acquisition on April 9.

    Read that as "We shackled our own workers to the desk, but none of them could figure out how to make something that could share and filter images like that so we kept giving those geniuses offers until they buckled. They also got kinda pissed after the 8-or-9th offer and started throwing goldfish, tomatoes, and smelly socks at us, but our combination bodyguard/repo-men dealt with that little threat in a Facebook Timeline minute."

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  5. Stick a fork in it by arcite · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This Social network fad is done. Yoked of innovation, on the path to mediocrity and disdain.

    1. Re:Stick a fork in it by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Email took off and stayed established because it was an open interface and anyone could set up a server.

      No. Email took off because it was *useful*. Even closed source email tools such as Exchange have success for the same reason.

      Facebook on the other hand is not useful. It may be fun (to each his own), addictive, a great time waster, but it's not essential. I've had friends - real friends - with whom I've exchanged messages way before FB even existed, through email, Fidonet before that, and *gasp* telephone and hamradio before that.

      You can do without FB, and ultimately this will be FB's undoing: either people will move on to some other nonessential such service to get their kicks, or they'll waste their free time on something else if Zuckerberg tries a little too hard to squeeze money out of them.

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    2. Re:Stick a fork in it by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This Social network fad is done.

      Except that's not remotely true. Facebook may fade away (eventually) but some form of social network or another will take its place. The internet has been one form of social network or another from the very beginning. I remember in the early days logging into a BBS waaaaay back in the day. What was that? It was basically the internet _and_ a social network in one. Then when I got the real thing, there were use groups and various forums. Again, social networks. And then came things like MySpace and social networks took on a whole new meaning. And MySpace faltered and faded and was replaced by Facebook. And odds are that Facebook will stumble at some point and be replaced by something else but social networks are not done. They've been here from the very beginning and they will be here when the entire internet is closed down and the lights get turned off.

      Not a fad. Not done.

    3. Re:Stick a fork in it by jareth-0205 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Facebook on the other hand is not useful.

      Balls. Facebook is useful, it's just not *as useful or essential* as the media hype has made out.

      It's great for keeping in touch with distant friends (and that is a valid form of friendship, despite what some people on /. seem to claim that friendships are a binary go-out-for-a-beer-or-you're-dead-to-me), organsing events/parties whatever, publicising trivial stuff, whatever.

      It won't go away, but it probably won't change the world (any more).

    4. Re:Stick a fork in it by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 2

      >> Yoked of innovation

      So you say, but the next big thing is just around the corner. It's called Social IRL. Right now there's a whole industry building out places to meet and socialize in meat-space (mostly food and drink based forums). Those on the cutting edge are just getting involved in this technology, but soon it will be the biggest social networking innovation ever! Social IRL - the next, next thing.

    5. Re:Stick a fork in it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, it's web 3.1 for workgroups

    6. Re:Stick a fork in it by pongo000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's great for keeping in touch with distant friends

      Unless you have "distant friends" you'd rather not have find you. I don't know about your history, but there are several people in mine I simply don't want showing up in my life. Hence, no FB.

      No great loss....I don't consider someone who I once knew 25 years ago a "friend." In fact, FB has served to bastardize the word "friend" into something alien that isn't even close to the original definition. So sad.

    7. Re:Stick a fork in it by gatzke · · Score: 2

      Maybe the anti-social introverts of the slashdot crowd are not the typical audience for facebook. For a lot of people, we don't mind having folks we knew 25 years ago in our friend list.

      I have people in my list that I knew very well in elementary and pre-school. We drifted apart in middle school / high school but there is no reason I can't still call them a friend. Seeing a small tidbit of their life does not take much of my time and when we do meet again we are already somewhat caught up and have some reference to each other. These are folks I would not call or email, but would talk to and catch up with if I saw them at a bar or event.

      Same goes for former college buddies. I have a few that I would email / call periodically, but a good many that facebook is plenty. But it also facilitates things like reunions.

      Same for my students. Now I see students cycle through every few years. I knew them but we were never best buds. But it doesn't hurt anyone to see their facebook feed and know what they are up to.

      Most people enjoy / appreciate that level of social interaction. Maybe that is why they were able to grow their user base and make millions and billions. Not just for farmville and privacy invasions.

  6. Old news by BriGal · · Score: 2

    "and it's currently only available for iPhone and iPod Touch owners". Right. This was part of the FB app update for the droid 2 weeks ago. I got so confused when I first read this story yesterday because I knew I'd had it for awhile.

  7. Visionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm sorry, but this just shows how fast FB is going to tank. A billion dollars for something that they were already developing.......clever. Obviously someone felt that this was a threat to the "release" of their own version, planned right after IPO (coincidence.....lol). So there ya have it, now we'll see if investors catch on, that FB is being managed like a circus.

  8. No or few cultivated forms of social engagement by Qbertino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For instance, you might have the whole "going to dinner parties with the wife" thing in order to maintain a social norm. Meanwhile, you'd rather be in your garage tinkering with a Raspberry Pi or Arduino or something in your garage and making an anti-squirrel turret for your backyard.

    As I'm getting older I'm realizing more and more that the hobbies I find intellectually satisfying are rarely something that can be plugged into a social component. As good (and intelligent) as my friends are, most of them wouldn't want to spend an afternoon learning something interesting in Perl or building a robot for the fuck of it. We go out for drinks or to a diner or something like that. I'm finding that I have to divorce "intellectually stimulating" from "social interaction" more and more every day.

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    When socialising becomes boring, just as you describe - I can relate to that, btw. - it's because today people rarely have any time or interest in cultivating social forms of engagement. It's still a relatively thin wholy educated layer of demografic that does these things, if at all.
    If you want something stimulating to do that you do with other people it would be making music together, singing in a choir, staging a play or something like that.

    4.5 years ago I discovered Tango dancing. And while I actually do have a diploma in performing arts and did that professionally in the 90ies (although not for a living really, you can't live off that), I never would have thought that I'd be doing that. I basically discovered Tango by accident, because a friend of mine asked me to come with her as her partner. Since then it's been like a drug. I go out 3 or more times a week at times and it only takes a little nudge to overcome the notion of just staying at my desk and doing a little programming or something.

    Seriously, once you find a social activity that is stimulating beyond sitting together and chatting and getting slightly drunk, you're heading the right way. You can't dance while drunk, and you wouldn't want to, because you're having a ball (quite litterally at times :-) ) giving the ladies and girls a good time and improving your dancing skills. Just Tuesday I came back from Heidelberg with my feet hurting from dancing to much again. With a ladies/guy ratio like that (note the background), a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do, ... I guess. :-)))

    Bottom line: Find a higher cultivated social activity than drinking and clubbing, such as the above mentioned, and going social won't be so one dimensional anymore. A few years ago it was Aikido for me, but since I've discovered Tango, I think I've found my contrast programm for the rest of my life.

    My 2 cents.

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  9. Soooo.... by Arancaytar · · Score: 2

    ... they spent a billion dollars on something they already had.

  10. More like Edison of social networking by jkrise · · Score: 2

    They discovered a billion dollars worth of junk that doesn't work on all platforms.

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  11. Re:This is what happens by superwiz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He is neither an idiot nor a savant. He is a prop.... hoodie and all. He has a budget of X million a year to make himself loud and stay in the news. He may have blown that budget with instagram though. He is about as much a CEO as rappers are gangsters.

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  12. They DID NOT buy it for $1 billion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They bought it for mostly Facebook shares, which they CLAIMED were valued at $1billion. That was the whole point of that exercise, create a false third party confirmation of Facebook's share valuation!

    It had nothing to do with Instagram's products or services, it was entirely about pumping a fake valuation of Facebook shares. A simply Pump-And-Dump.

    It could have been ANY company prepared to cooperate in this that plausibly had a product with any product, overlapping or not.

  13. man-kids by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    4.5 years ago I discovered Tango dancing.

    Wow.

    That's one of the gayest things I've read in slashdot in a while.

    Say what you want, this is the best venue for dating, a zillion times better than clubbing and getting hammered. Plus, on average, people engaged in trained dancing activities tend to have a higher level of education and income than the crowd engaged in clubbing and getting hammered. For me it was Salsa dancing. Dated a lot; have a lot fun; met more engineers that I could socialize with that way than at work; and where I met my wife.

    Kids and man-kids will call it ghey. Men see it for what it is, a social activity.