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Is Facebook Going To Buy Opera?

New submitter x0d writes with this excerpt from the L.A. Times: "The Facebook spending spree may be continuing as a new report says the social networking giant might be looking to buy Norwegian company Opera Software. Now fully under the microscope of Wall Street as well as Main Street investors, Facebook is trying to solve its mobile monetizing problems and has been gobbling up various companies in recent months to increase its presence in the world of smartphones."

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  1. Rockmelt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    If they do, wont Opera be forgotten like Rockmelt is?

    1. Re:Rockmelt by sammyF70 · · Score: 5, Funny

      wtf is rockmelt?

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    2. Re:Rockmelt by inasity_rules · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hope not. I actually like Opera.

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    3. Re:Rockmelt by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      it's a WOWser.
      no, I didn't make that up myself.

      as to the facebook acquisition.. it would be probably for the development talent, basically just one big recruitment of mobile, javascript, cloud and html knowhow.

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    4. Re:Rockmelt by lightknight · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. This is a Merger / Acquisition that, from a quality of life standpoint, I do not prefer to see.

      Opera Mobile is...a very nice browser on my Droid. A very, very nice browser. I'd like to keep it that way (the thought of Facebook posting to my wall with updates based off of my latest webpage viewings is more than a little disturbing; "lightknight said he would be at Ken's BBQ by 5:00PM, but we can see that he accessed Google Maps 21 minutes ago, and his GPS / location shows him at least 47 minutes away. -> 5:01 PM").

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    5. Re:Rockmelt by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      It looks like Chrome minus everything that makes Chrome so popular.

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    6. Re:Rockmelt by mateuscb · · Score: 2

      Thats because Rockmet uses Chromium. They simply added a couple of "plug-ins" to allow facebook, twitter integration. Best part, they managed to get $40 million in investment. Go figure. http://techcrunch.com/2011/12/19/rockmelt-vs-chrome/. As far as data collection, a small start-up, entering a cut-throat browser market, with facebook and twitter logins isn't going to collect anything?

    7. Re:Rockmelt by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Damn. I've been using Opera for several years now. If it comes under the thumb of Facebook, I'll jump ship. I don't want those fuckers backdooring themselves into everything I do online.

    8. Re:Rockmelt by buddhaunderthetree · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You like Opera? I love Opera. I've been using Opera since way back at version 2.0. Remember the browser that would fit on a floppy? I even paid for it. Sure, it's not perfect but it's pretty darn good. Now it's endanger of being taken over by a company I personally don't use and can't stand. I would have rather seen it die back in the 90s than to me such an ignominious fate.

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    9. Re:Rockmelt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't worry, if Opera does get acquired by a huge corporation with a strong interest in gathering as much information as possible about you, you can always just switch to Chrome!

    10. Re:Rockmelt by moronoxyd · · Score: 4, Informative

      Opera browsers already have a filtering mechanism build in. What they are missing is a list of stuff to filter.

      Just search the web for an urlfilter.ini, download that, put it on your Android device and point Opera Mobile to it.

    11. Re:Rockmelt by kyrio · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'll go back to IE.

    12. Re:Rockmelt by bryan1945 · · Score: 2

      Hey now, I like Arby's roast beef-like meat-product sandwich!

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    13. Re:Rockmelt by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      You realize that Firefox and IE both do the very same "info leaking" that chrome does when you type into the search box with suggestions, right?

    14. Re:Rockmelt by Ubi_NL · · Score: 2

      well said. The day that opera falls in the greasy hands of facebook is a very sad day indeed.

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    15. Re:Rockmelt by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 2

      Because it very close to impossible to hire complete teams. Very often you end up only hiring employees that are not satisfied with their job (while you would more interested in ones that really enjoy their job (& do it well)). If you make an offer_that_cannot_be_refused to every member in the team, you would demorolizing you own employees, set false expectations to pretty much everyone. The whole thing ends up pretty ugly.

    16. Re:Rockmelt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, Opera may be closed-source. But they deserve huge respect.
      They invented tons of things we take for granted nowadays. Tabs, proper zooming, user scripts/styles, separate search field, mouse guestures (incl. rocker), pop-up blocking, privacy mode, built-in bittorrent client, you name it. And they haven’t stopped. I consider Unite a key feature that will become essential.
      They also saved us from having to use IE6 in the dark ages after Netscape was murdered.
      And it was the fastest browser for a loooong time. (Basically from the start up until Chrome forced Firefox to become faster.)

      And Oprea Mobile is the rare case of a mobile browser that doesn’t suck.

      If they had offered a Firefox-like Add-on system and done a similar marketing (think: Firefox logo), they would be the most popular browser instead today.

    17. Re:Rockmelt by inasity_rules · · Score: 2

      This. Also, I ran huge volumes of pages through opera turbo. It was invaluable back when I lived in a country with expensive and slow internet. I did use it back when it was add supported a lot too, and would have paid if I could have. Opera is probably the best browser I have ever used. I like the interface and I like the way everything works. I would very much regret it's death or mismanagement by some overrated social networking site.

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    18. Re:Rockmelt by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Frequent crashes? etc? I suggest there's something wrong with your system. Other than crashes in snapshots, the released versions have always been solid.

      Just because it doesn't crash for you doesn't mean that it's "solid". One not so nice thing about Opera lately is that it 1) likes to crash if you have profiles and other user data left over from a past version (their tech support always recommends wiping all your settings whenever you upgrade - WTF?); and 2) it likes to crash on certain specific websites due to bugs in their renderer or JS engine - so you won't see those crashes unless you frequent those sites.

      You're pretty much talking out of your ass.

      Because my observations do not agree with your preconceptions?

      I was using Opera as my primary browser since 5.x times, so, no, I'm not talking out of my ass. I wish I could keep using it, but as it is, I have reluctantly moved on to Chrome because I couldn't keep pretending that Opera is still the best choice.

  2. Nice one by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The opera mobile browser works by offloading a lot of work to a server run by opera. This would give facebook access to everything which goes through every mobile opera browser.

    1. Re:Nice one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Only if you turn on Turbo mode. It's off by default.

      But yes it would suck ass if Facebook bought Opera. Opera Mobile is the first thing I install on any smartphone. The desktop version of Opera sucks but the Mobile version is the best browser for any mobile device.

    2. Re:Nice one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And that will be the day I will stop using Opera, Desktop and mobile.

      Idem. These kinds of occasions underline why it is so important going open source for long term survival.
      I love Opera, have being used it since version 7. Its a full featured browser, infintely configurable and really multiplatform.
      The day Facebook buys Opera is the last day I use Opera, on smartphones and the desktop. And I will go reluctently to Firefox. But it will be a big regression in terms of configurability and stability.

    3. Re:Nice one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Opera Mobile Mini has this option turned on by default, with no option in the GUI to turn it off. I guess if you knew where to look through the files you could turn it off via a configuration file.

    4. Re:Nice one by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Informative

      You got it back asswards friend, Opera MINI does the whole "go through Opera servers" thing whereas opera MOBILE only does so if you activate turbo.

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    5. Re:Nice one by Lennie · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually you can't turn it off, because Opera Mini isn't a real browser, that is the whole point of Opera Mini. It is just a client which displays what the Opera server prerendered.

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    6. Re:Nice one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why? Google is already doing it with Android and Chrome.

    7. Re:Nice one by craigminah · · Score: 2

      Yup. Opera is my fave browser on my iPod Touch but it's not quite there for desktop use. So close to being me default desktop browser but it's missing some features and a little quirky but it's got HW acceleration across all platforms and plugin support (just no XMarks, FlashGot, or 1PassWord support). I always check out each new version of Opera only to uninstall it a few days later. If Facebook buys Opera I won't have to check out Opera anymore...

    8. Re:Nice one by moronoxyd · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is no 'Opera Mobile Mini'.
      Opera Mobile and Opera Mini are two distinctive products.

    9. Re:Nice one by del_diablo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Which is also why its allowed into Apples App Store, because it does under no circumstances execute any script by itself, its just streaming it.

  3. Bad decision by Centurix · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm sure they could have picked up Internet Explorer for a steal. Imagine the positive effect on the stock price!

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  4. And in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Facebook to buy Western Digital. Because they're going to need all those drives to store EVERY. FUCKING. KEYSTROKE.

  5. Warning to Fastmail users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Opera owns Fastmail. Do you want Facebook to own your email?

    1. Re:Warning to Fastmail users by dwater · · Score: 2

      right. i love fastmail, and can't see it'll survive facebook ownership :/

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    2. Re:Warning to Fastmail users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As a paying member of Fastmail.fm, I'll be the first to cancel if Facebook takes ownership.

    3. Re:Warning to Fastmail users by silenc3r · · Score: 2

      This better not be true. I have switched to Fastmail about a year ago and I find it superior to Gmail in almost every point, especially privacy which was the main reason to switch for me.

  6. I hope not by alphabetsoup · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Opera is the best browser out there. I don't trust Chrome not to report data about me to Google, and if Facebook buys Opera I wouldn't trust it not to report my browsing data to Facebook. I will have to move back to the mess that is Firefox

    1. Re:I hope not by cparker15 · · Score: 3, Informative

      In Preferences, on the General tab, check the box to prevent tabs from loading until they're activated. Almost makes Firefox feel like a lightweight browser.

      Also, this add-on helps mitigate Firefox's chronic memory leak problem: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/memory-restart/

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    2. Re:I hope not by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since you don't have the source code to Opera, what makes you think Opera isn't also reporting browsing data, just like Chrome allegedly does?

      Just off the top of my head, one reason would be because Opera isn't built and owned by one of the world's largest data collection and mining companies.

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  7. Opera & P2P by sonamchauhan · · Score: 2

    Hmmm .... Opera optionally bundles a web server (Opera Unite) with its browser. With music, photo and note sharing, I always thought that was Opera's attempt to be a P2P version of Facebook.

    Who knows, Facebook may end up becoming more P2P-ish, a la Skype -- a centralised set of 'supernodes' that track who's talking/streaming photos/video/comments to whom (and keeps a copy), but without the infrastructure and delays their current 'hub and spoke' model requires.

    1. Re:Opera & P2P by Sentir101 · · Score: 2

      Hmmm .... Opera optionally bundles a web server (Opera Unite) with its browser.

      Support for Unite is actually dropped and it will be removed before the end of this year. I have no idea if similar things are (or will be) possible with their extension platform though.
      Source

      If Facebook buys Opera I will definitely switch to another browser, mobile browser and e-mail client...

  8. If you bought Facebook stock, this is on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    That's why you don't give these fuckers money. They're going to ruin it for everyone, not just for the idiots who sign up for their walled garden.

  9. I sure hope this doesn't happen... by xeriouxi · · Score: 2

    I can't stand Facebook and refuse to have an account with the service, despite the continuing trend of many companies requiring an account for one thing or another, but if they were to buy Opera then that would mean they also acquire FastMail; my current email service. Over my dead body would I entrust my emails to Zuckerburg and his company.

    1. Re:I sure hope this doesn't happen... by SJHillman · · Score: 2

      Yeah, that got fixed a while ago when websites started complying with standards. Now Opera works with pretty much every site except those few that detect which browser you're using and tell you to go use IE/Fx/Chrome/Safari. Of course, it's only about two clicks to get around it.

  10. I really hope not. by Daneurysm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On one hand I think the FB app could use a LOT of advice from Opera's mobile team. I have an overclocked GalaxyS2 running at 1.5ghz...modded to the gills. Nothing on this phone is slow...except Facebook. Every update makes the experience more and more miserable. Opera's mobile/mini browsers are among the fastest and smoothest apps I have ever used. By far. Bar none. On any mobile platform....or any platform ever, for that matter. On the other hand I've been using Opera for over 12 years now. It is my go-to browser and it is the first thing I install on a computer...regardless of OS. It has always been ahead of it's time...often by a very long time (we've been returning to the same multi-tabbed browsing session for how much longer than everyone else?). Anyone I recommend the browser to becomes a lifelong fan. Geeks and non-geeks alike. It's tiny, lightning quick, hyper-compliant and more configurable than anything else.

    I know that having Facebook sized development money can be nothing but a great thing for the progress of the browser, but, I'm more concerned with the direction of this development. Also some very obvious concerns with the use of turbo-mode to help FB aggregate more of the world's information...

    ...I'm going to vote 'I really hope not' on this one.

    1. Re:I really hope not. by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2

      I know that having Facebook sized development money can be nothing but a great thing for the progress of the browser, but, I'm more concerned with the direction of this development.

      Microsoft has "Facebook sized development money" and it took until IE 9 to get a good browser out of them. Google has a lot of development money too, and Chrome has its upside (besides reporting everything you do to the Google mothership). Apple has even more money, but they aren't spending it on browser development.

      Based on Facebook's history of harvesting anything and everything about users, using tracking cookies on other sites even when those visitors don't have Facebook accounts, using the same Safari cookie exploit as Google, and having a constantly moving target for privacy, I wouldn't trust a Facebook owned browser on any device I own.

    2. Re:I really hope not. by del_diablo · · Score: 2

      >Microsoft has "Facebook sized development money" and it took until IE 9 to get a good browser out of them. Google has a lot of development money too, and Chrome has its upside (besides reporting everything you do to the Google mothership). Apple has even more money, but they aren't spending it on browser development.

      And I disagree. Mostly because i have used a Atom netbook for 3 years, due it being the laptop for the class I attend in. Its basically a school computer, and you get a rental contract. It was also a year ahead of the countys county level rental of laptops, so my juniors got Dell i3s with good build quality on rental, and their juniors got Lenevo Thinkpads with i3s and good build quality. So yes, back to the post. Its a singlecore Atom CPU at 1.6 GHz. Nice, portable, and slow.
      IE9 works by assuming the GFX card of the computer is lightning fast and that the user wants to use 1-3 tabs.
      Chrome works by assuming either hardware accel is ready, or that the computer has a old desktop CPU(Pentium4/Athlon64 or newer), and the user won't attempt to load more than 2-3 pages at the same time. The browser is basically too slow and partially locks under load, but at the least the scrollnig on the webpages is smooth.
      Firefox is the slowest mess of a browser I have seen.
      Opera was basically perfect. Could load multiple pages at the same time, no tab limit that i reached, Turbo as a free proxy, and lightning fast.
      The only downside was that it only worked the first one and a half years, because the school was stilling running its own net. After that they changed to the regional net, and it was incapable of fetching the proxy list properly nor able to authentic(Opera has always had some problems with proxies). On the third year the school shifted them over to the counties system, which meant that Opera was also unable to get access to net while on the schools net.

    3. Re:I really hope not. by Branciforte · · Score: 2

      Chrome does not report everything you do to the "mothership". As far as I know, all it does it is watch when you type in a search term to Google. Then it measures how long it took to select a result, and it notes which result you picked. then it sends the anonymized data back to Google in order to improve the search results quality for everyone. IE does the same thing, except that it looks at the Google search results and send the info back to Microsoft in order to enhance Bing.

      As for tracking you, Google and most other companies add tracking cookies in order to recognize you when you show up at an affiliated site. But this has nothing to do with any particular browser.

  11. I wouldn't put it past Opera to allow it by game+kid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I haven't used Opera in a good long while*, and I've never heard of the mentioned source site Pocket-lint, but after the damning parting words of von Tetzchner, I wouldn't put it past Opera to allow let Facebook take them.

    Nice knowin' ya, Oppy.

    *Actually I did a few times a month or two ago for some SVG testing; otherwise I've barely touched it, and I'll be uninstalling it now just in case the probable turns out true.

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  12. Better targets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are better targets than a once-great browser. Opera is no longer, no matter what their home page says, the fastest browser in the business.

    Twitter, for example. A Facebook takeover of the company will ensure render comatose any hopes G+ has of winning any marketshare.

    Another is Yahoo. Too big? I'm pretty sure Yahoo's stockholders would agree to a stock swap that would leave hot-young CEO Zuckerberg in control. Facebook can use some of whatever remains of Yahoo's search technology.

    1. Re:Better targets by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are better targets than a once-great browser. Opera is no longer, no matter what their home page says, the fastest browser in the business.

      It's not really about fast, though piss poor performance would be a problem. It's about not having to develop a brand new mobile app/Facebook-content-delivery-app. Opera has 'mobile' and 'mini'. One of which (mini?) does all it's work on the Opera servers. This would let Facebook see everything you do ... and I mean everything. That fits perfectly with their current mission of harvesting anything and everything they can about their users.

  13. Come on Slashdot by longk · · Score: 2

    This has been both in the news and debunked YESTERDAY.

  14. Re:No! by toriver · · Score: 2

    Hello, DearFuckingSpammer. Maybe someone should clean your PC with a baseball bat so you stop posting here?

  15. Possibly adios... by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Damn. I've been using Opera for several years now. If it comes under the thumb of Facebook, I'll jump ship. I don't want those fuckers backdooring themselves into everything I do online.

    Likewise. Opera has been my main browser for more than a decade, although my wife generally uses Firefox. Luckily, I've also been using Chromium, and consider it an acceptable replacement: not quite as good with privacy settings, but slightly more compatible with weird web sites. If Opera becomes part of Facebook, I'll drop it on principle (all Facebook IPs are already blocked by my router to inhibit unwanted tracking).

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  16. Re:No! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My, the spammers have mod points as well.

    Best to just reset the password on those accounts.

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  17. Re:bigger and bigger by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

    Companies that tend to get always bigger and bigger end up being unstable, don't they ?

    As a Cyberneticist I can tell you that this is another layer of control. We built the intangible machinations of Corporations and Government to follow an innocuous looking program that would seem to rocket them to success. It's unfortunate at the moment that some see through the matrix of logic and are disheartened, proclaiming, "We're being ruled by out of control legal machines!" Yes, that's how it's supposed to work. No one can't stop them, because they can't stop themselves... You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.

    However distressing the situation may be in the moment, take comfort in knowing that there is another overarching system at work, inherent to the core logic of the Idea Machine Nation. The structures of their fractal information flow are each designed to seem very different on the outside, yet even as they compete with each other all are ultimately carrying out the inherent meta-logic loop: Like their organic progenitors, these cybernetic entities have an inborn entropic feedback loop, and have been destined to die since birth.

    Though its both joyous and painful at times, this is the system that will boostrap us into a race of rational beings. With each systematic growth and collapse we fall a little less. With each rebirth our species climbs a little higher, and leaves a little more false information and bad ideas behind. All things are cyclic. Failure is a part of the plan, the trick is recognising the point at which the inevitable profit obliteration begins.

  18. $10 BILLION by busyqth · · Score: 2

    If Instagram is worth $1B to Facebook, I figure Opera must be worth at least $10B.

  19. Opera or Chrome by findoutmoretoday · · Score: 2

    Don't worry ..., you can always just switch to Chrome!

    In the nineties I went for freedom (... whatever) and now I am trapped between all my big brothers.