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Backdoor Found In China-Made US Military Chip?

Hugh Pickens writes "Information Age reports that the Cambridge University researchers have discovered that a microprocessor used by the US military but made in China contains secret remote access capability, a secret 'backdoor' that means it can be shut off or reprogrammed without the user knowing. The 'bug' is in the actual chip itself, rather than the firmware installed on the devices that use it. This means there is no way to fix it than to replace the chip altogether. 'The discovery of a backdoor in a military grade chip raises some serious questions about hardware assurance in the semiconductor industry,' writes Cambridge University researcher Sergei Skorobogatov. 'It also raises some searching questions about the integrity of manufacturers making claims about [the] security of their products without independent testing.' The unnamed chip, which the researchers claim is widely used in military and industrial applications, is 'wide open to intellectual property theft, fraud and reverse engineering of the design to allow the introduction of a backdoor or Trojan', Does this mean that the Chinese have control of our military information infrastructure asks Rupert Goodwins? 'No: it means that one particular chip has an undocumented feature. An unfortunate feature, to be sure, to find in a secure system — but secret ways in have been built into security systems for as long as such systems have existed.'" Even though this story has been blowing-up on Twitter, there are a few caveats. The backdoor doesn't seem to have been confirmed by anyone else, Skorobogatov is a little short on details, and he is trying to sell the scanning technology used to uncover the vulnerability.

270 comments

  1. Steve Jobs by busyqth · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is all Steve Jobs' fault. I blame him.

    1. Re:Steve Jobs by busyqth · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I have to complain about this moderation.
      No fanboy in his right mind would require more than a few seconds of meditation in front of his home or office shrine to the ascended Jobs before modding my comment "flamebait".

      So where does the "offtopic" come from?

    2. Re:Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I have to complain about this moderation."

      You're funny!

    3. Re:Steve Jobs by Dahamma · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So where does the "offtopic" come from?

      Probably from the fact it was offtopic.

    4. Re:Steve Jobs by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I have to complain about this moderation."

      You're funny!

      And I modded him Funny... Oh, Crap....

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  2. Fear mongering by jhoegl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It sells...

    1. Re:Fear mongering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because they're really out to get you doesn't mean you're not paranoid. This has been an open secret for a while. That it's been confirmed independently is valuable.

    2. Re:Fear mongering by arisvega · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just because they're really out to get you doesn't mean you're not paranoid.

      Are you as think as I drunk you are?

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    3. Re:Fear mongering by Gilmoure · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm not as think as some drunkle peep I am.

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  3. What did the military expect? by runeghost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even if this case turns out to be a false alarm, allowing a nation that you repeatedly refer to as a 'near-peer competitor' to build parts of your high-tech weaponry is idiotic.

    1. Re:What did the military expect? by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously.

      Isn't military production capability the one thing you specifically never ever want to outsource, especially when it's to the people you keep simulating wars with.

    2. Re:What did the military expect? by busyqth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Part of the problem is chinese-produced counterfeit devices flooding the market.
      So you think you're purchasing a "safe" or "known" device, but... oops, you aren't.

    3. Re:What did the military expect? by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Say this to the CEOs :-)

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    4. Re:What did the military expect? by Mojo66 · · Score: 2

      Regardless whether this is a false alarm or not, I'm 100% sure that US military technology has something similar, too. I can't imagine them selling fighter planes to Saudi Arabia and not putting in a kill switch.

    5. Re:What did the military expect? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      But cost-efficient.

    6. Re:What did the military expect? by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Informative

      Said person/company who misled you is answerable to the charge of treason. That will get them to make sure of what they are providing.

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    7. Re:What did the military expect? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Or something like this happens.

    8. Re:What did the military expect? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      By near peer, they mean that America aspires to being serious competition to China in semiconductor manufacturing.

    9. Re:What did the military expect? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      If you care, you only buy either directly from the manufacturer or from their authorized distributors.

    10. Re:What did the military expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed] Yeah, didn't think you had one.

    11. Re:What did the military expect? by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously.

      Isn't military production capability the one thing you specifically never ever want to outsource, especially when it's to the people you keep simulating wars with.

      Well..., no. Not if your primary aim is profit. Fuck national security. If your corporation can make a buck selling "defense technology", and it can make 1.5 bucks selling defense technology using cheap offshore parts, you use the cheap offshore parts. Dealing with bad PR like this is what lobbyists are for.

    12. Re:What did the military expect? by digitig · · Score: 2

      Said person/company who misled you is answerable to the charge of treason.

      Probably not in their country of operation.

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    13. Re:What did the military expect? by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Even if this case turns out to be a false alarm, allowing a nation that you repeatedly refer to as a 'near-peer competitor' to build parts of your high-tech weaponry is idiotic."

      Not to mention the non-backdoor ones.

      'Bogus electronic parts from China have infiltrated critical U.S. defense systems and equipment, including Navy helicopters and a commonly used Air Force cargo aircraft, a new report says.'

      http://articles.dailypress.com/2012-05-23/news/dp-nws-counterfeit-chinese-parts-20120523_1_fake-chinese-parts-counterfeit-parts-air-force-c-130j

    14. Re:What did the military expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't charge a foreigner with treason.

    15. Re:What did the military expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We do specify that, and they do. However, the authorized distributors are also have that uniquely Modern-China/Ferengi ethic. Northrup, specifically, has corrected all of the known counterfeit devices on their (and their sub's) dime, as specified in their contract. There's no money in it for them.

    16. Re:What did the military expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can't help but think of the quote attributed to Lenin: "The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."

    17. Re:What did the military expect? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      In The Guns of August, Tuchman mentions that the heavy artillery for the Belgian fortress of Liege had been ordered from Krupps, who failed to deliver.

    18. Re:What did the military expect? by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can't imagine them selling fighter planes to Saudi Arabia and not putting in a kill switch.

      Its called the spare parts stream. How long did it take Iran's F-14s to completely break down, even with extensive conservation, cannibalization, and duct-tape fixes?

      Also the training/support stream. There's a certain small size where you can afford internal low, maybe even mid level operational support, but can't afford to train new techs/mechanics... If you had the internal resources to run a high level training facility, you would be in the arms dealing business making your own aircraft, not buying someone elses airplane.

      This is not limited to high tech aviation. Lets say I give you a M-16. Oh, you'd like ammo too, well we can make a separate yearly deal for that. Oh and you say you're not a gunsmith, well we can make a deal for that too. Oh you don't know how to use it, lets make a deal for some instructors. Your cam pin snapped and the highest tech metal working facility you have is a blacksmiths anvil, well we can make a deal for spare parts too. Suddenly that "free" M-16 is terribly expensive.

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    19. Re:What did the military expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they are flloding the market because they get bought by the military contractors that want to cut corners, its not like some pijama wearing chinese break into the building lines and switch the "real" chips with counterfeit ones by night...

    20. Re:What did the military expect? by Genda · · Score: 1

      The kill switch for the aircraft we sell to other countries, is located right on our pilot's flight sticks and they can even select radar or heat seeking.

    21. Re:What did the military expect? by Minwee · · Score: 0

      But you can charge them income tax.

      It's all about priorities.

    22. Re:What did the military expect? by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      You can thank budget cuts for that. You want a smaller defense budget? You get COTS(off the shelf parts) being built into critical areas. Where does COTS hardware come from? China, Taiwan, other places with little oversite or design quality control.

      You end up with this, a COTS FPGA with a backdoor. We see this kind of thing all the time on SSD controllers.

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    23. Re:What did the military expect? by jmcvetta · · Score: 1

      We do? I thought America had pretty much given up on manufacturing anything...

    24. Re:What did the military expect? by geoskd · · Score: 1

      Even if this case turns out to be a false alarm, allowing a nation that you repeatedly refer to as a 'near-peer competitor' to build parts of your high-tech weaponry is idiotic.

      Maybe, maybe not

      If they build a large amount of your parts in general, then it could be great insurance. Free trade prevents wars. What country is going to declare war on their best customer? Is winning a war worth economic collapse? Without the USA buying all their Chinese what-nots, China falls into a massive economic meltdown. The Chinese leadership are largely scientists and engineers, not moron politicians like the US. They have a great deal more common sense than our leadership does. They are not going to provoke a war that puts them back in the stone age unless they have no other viable course of action. China will not openly attack the US any more than the US will openly attack China. Everything else is called war-games for a reason.

      -=Geoskd

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    25. Re:What did the military expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him with.

    26. Re:What did the military expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are all assuming that the Chinese put that in there without the knowledge of the US corporation. What if this is an NSA backdoor? So we can keep tabs on our "friends".

      This is not Fox News, lets not act like the jump to overreaction crowd.

    27. Re:What did the military expect? by Bigby · · Score: 2

      A good capitalist will not, as they will see that the long term value of their life outweighs the profit from the rope.

    28. Re:What did the military expect? by ultranova · · Score: 2

      A good capitalist will not, as they will see that the long term value of their life outweighs the profit from the rope.

      Rational actors in economics are like Newtonian physics: as long as there's little substance and nothing is happening in a hurry it's a reasonable simplification to assume that every entity knows everything there is to know and can integrate it all to determine its own reactions, but when things start heating up you need more complex models to explain all the seemingly irrational stuff that starts popping up.

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    29. Re:What did the military expect? by anagama · · Score: 1

      There's an important part in there that you forgot to mention, where all off the shelf parts are manufactured in the third world because the money behind the demoplicans and republocrats has been interested in offshoring everything it can since at least the Clinton era. So perhaps we would have had a stronger manufacturing economy (as opposed to a boom/bust economy based selling ever more esoteric investment schemes), a stronger middle class, AND the ability to buy off the shelf parts made in America had our politicians not been so bought.

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    30. Re:What did the military expect? by emt377 · · Score: 1

      Maybe, maybe not

      If they build a large amount of your parts in general, then it could be great insurance. Free trade prevents wars. What country is going to declare war on their best customer?

      They can covertly aid our enemy to make sure we need more parts?

      They can bully our friends and allies in their neighborhood, knowing their defenses are less effective?

    31. Re:What did the military expect? by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      We do? I thought America had pretty much given up on manufacturing anything...

      We seem to be churning out lawyers and MBAs at an amazing rate.

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    32. Re:What did the military expect? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Anyone who could build a theory based on the assumption that human beings are 'rational agents' SUCKS at basic observation. I mean, how could you possibly observe the behavior of human beings and come up with the idea that they are 'rational agents' and model economics based on that? Its the dumbest, most unscientific thing I ever heard of. Seriously.

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    33. Re:What did the military expect? by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      He will, because if he does not sell, somebody else will. He'll lose the client anyway, the only question is who stays with the earnings of the rope.

      Competition and free market. The two things that nearly guarantee the client will get whatever he wants.

    34. Re:What did the military expect? by Darkling-MHCN · · Score: 1

      I've always thought if the US and China ever entered an armed conflict the first indication of this would be our computers and cell phones would all spontaneously brick themselves.

      Anyone seen the opening episodes of Battle Star Gallactica?

    35. Re:What did the military expect? by Johann+Lau · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's exactly the kind of thinking that letting others work for you produces. Flabby, useless, dissolves when exposed to daylight. SSDD.

    36. Re:What did the military expect? by jopaki · · Score: 1

      thank you - presuming any fraction of this story is true, wtf is the us gov outsourcing the manufacture of their own weapons WTF ???

    37. Re:What did the military expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      duh! china is obviously guilty of treason against the usa. when the usa declares war on china, china must promise not to turn off our tanks and missiles cos that would be in violation if the international criminal court that we don't abide by, and stuff. america, fuck yeah!

    38. Re:What did the military expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Good luck taking out even one F-22 with an entire fleet of our outdated crap. Sucker.

    39. Re:What did the military expect? by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      Forget the M-16. We gave the Mujaheddin a bunch of Stinger anti-aircraft missiles in the eighties but then the batteries ran out really quickly so they couldn't be used against us. Or consider the F-16 that we sell to all these countries.

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    40. Re:What did the military expect? by tibit · · Score: 1

      A lot of military development work is done on cost-plus basis. They cut corners in spite of that. Sigh.

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    41. Re:What did the military expect? by spiralx · · Score: 1

      Blame the over-optimistic ideas of the Enlightenment.

    42. Re:What did the military expect? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      You're all missing the point. Somewhere, somehow, some American in the US military had to sign the cheque.

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    43. Re:What did the military expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The good capitalists must be living in Theory. I hear that's where all the True Scotsmen live as well.

    44. Re:What did the military expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they are, it is treason. If they are not, it is an act of war.

    45. Re:What did the military expect? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Part of the problem here will be that the US themselves simply don't have the facilities to produce those chips.

      And that is assuming that all the know-how that goes into those parts is in-house too.

      A lot of IC development is done in Japan, Taiwan and Korea, just to name a few. I wouldn't be surprised if modern weapon systems depend on bits and pieces of know-how and specialised chips that are developed in one of those countries (China doesn't develop much themselves, they mainly produce stuff on order), and for which the know-how is simply not available in the US, so they can't copy the system and make it by themselves.

    46. Re:What did the military expect? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      I can't imagine them selling fighter planes to Saudi Arabia and not putting in a kill switch.

      Its called the spare parts stream.

      Maybe the US military (and many other militaries for that sake) should worry about becoming too dependent on Chinese made spare parts. Just in case they'd wage a war against China, and China stops supplying those parts.

    47. Re:What did the military expect? by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      A good capitalist will not, as they will see that the long term value of their life outweighs the profit from the rope.

      Superior capitalists don't have to worry about mundane things like national security presenting a threat to their lives. War is a problem for the little people.

  4. CONFIRMATION? by Bananatree3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Would somebody please tease out something a little more credible?

    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence..."

  5. The actual article by NixieBunny · · Score: 5, Informative

    The original article is here.
    It refers to an Actel ProAsic3 chip, which is an FPGA with internal EEPROM to store the configuration.

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    1. Re:The actual article by Nkwe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good read. The bottom line apparently hasn't changed: If you allow physical access, security can be compromised.

    2. Re:The actual article by HWguy · · Score: 1

      After reading the article, I'd bet that this "feature" of the FPGA is either for some manufacturing reason or was requested by customers (e.g. the US government) so that they can access/reprogram certain supposed read-only parts of the FPGA. I see nothing about any correlation with the Chinese using it as a backdoor.

    3. Re:The actual article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously the FPGA manufacturer put in a backdoor for some debugging purpose and this guy found it.

    4. Re:The actual article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      From your much more useful link,

      We investigated the PA3 backdoor problem through Internet searches, software and hardware analysis and found that this particular backdoor is not a result of any mistake or an innocent bug, but is instead a deliberately inserted and well thought-through backdoor that is crafted into, and part of, the PA3 security system. We analysed other Microsemi/Actel products and found they all have the same deliberate backdoor. Those products include, but are not limited to: Igloo, Fusion and Smartfusion.

      we have found that the PA3 is used in military products such as weapons, guidance, flight control, networking and communications. In industry it is used in nuclear power plants, power distribution, aerospace, aviation, public transport and automotive products. This permits a new and disturbing possibility of a large scale Stuxnet-type attack via a network or the Internet on the silicon itself. If the key is known, commands can be embedded into a worm to scan for JTAG, then to attack and reprogram the firmware remotely.

      emphasis mine. Key is retrieved using the backdoor.

      Frankly, if this is true, Microsemi/Actel should get complete ban from all government contracts, including using their chips in any item build for use by the government.

    5. Re:The actual article by Blackman-Turkey · · Score: 3, Informative

      No source approved for Microsemi (Actel) qualified chips in China. If you use non-approved sources then, well, shit happens (although how this HW backdoor would be exploited is kind of unclear).

      It seems that People's Republic of China has been misidentified with Taiwan (Republic of China).

    6. Re:The actual article by NixieBunny · · Score: 2

      I would not be surprised if it's a factory backdoor that's included in all their products, but is not documented and is assumed to not be a problem because it's not documented.

      With regard to reprogramming the chip remotely or by the FPGA itself via the JTAG port: A secure system is one that can't reprogram itself. When I was designing VMEbus computer boards for a military subcontractor many years ago, every board had a JTAG connector that required the use of another computer with a special cable plugged into the board to perform reprogramming of the FPGAs. None of this update-by-remote-control crap.

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    7. Re:The actual article by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

      Read the actual paper which is linked. This does not just allow writing to the chip. The feature is also designed to allow reading data which the chip is explicitly supposed to keep that data secret. E.g. you put your encryption keys into the chip and count on it not letting them out again whilst it continues to encrypt data. This is in a high security chip specifically designed for crypto uses. Despite what others are suggesting, you do not leave a debugging feature in such a chip.

      More importantly, the back door was clearly designed to be very difficult to find. That's not standard for a debugging option. Someone somewhere designed this specifically to work against people buying the chip.

      Whichever of the companies is innocent needs to step up and say something to the effect of 'we would never do this to our customers'.

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    8. Re:The actual article by HWguy · · Score: 1

      From the article, the read-only registers may be configured to be written:

      "At this point we went back to those JTAG registers which were non-updatable as well as FROW to check whether we could change their values. Once the backdoor feature was unlocked, many of these registers became volatile and the FROW was reprogrammable as a normal Flash memory. Actel has a strong claim that 'configuration files cannot be read back via JTAG or any other method' in the PA3 and in their other latest generation Flash FPGAs [18]. Hence, they claim, they are extremely secure because the readback access is not implemented. We discovered that in fact Actel did implement such an access, with a special key used for activation."

    9. Re:The actual article by vlm · · Score: 1

      More importantly, the back door was clearly designed to be very difficult to find. That's not standard for a debugging option

      Ever do FPGA work? Not thinking so. Sadly I can verify that in the FPGA world everything is all ultra-closed. Patents? Competitive advantage? IP laws? Hide evidence of patent infringement?

      In the FPGA world everything from the VHDL text editor to the hardware is marketed and sold as a magic black box. Text that happens to be VHDL squirts in here, a giant mystery binary appears here, tada. No one really knows whats going on.

      The micro controller world is much different, much more open. Commercial mass market CPUs somewhat less open than MCs.

      There are individual isolated anecdotal outliers, of course on both sides.

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    10. Re:The actual article by rtfa-troll · · Score: 2

      From the article, the read-only registers may be configured to be written:

      agreed 100%; as this bit of your quote says.

      "At this point we went back to those JTAG registers which were non-updatable as well as FROW to check whether we could change their values. Once the backdoor feature was unlocked, many of these registers became volatile and the FROW was reprogrammable as a normal Flash memory.

      However the following bit is saying that the data can also be read. That doesn't have to be. Write only registers are a standard hardware feature. It's also standard procedure that if you have write only registers which become readable when a debug configuration is entered, then you clear the contents before entering debugging mode. That isn't what happens however, as the second part of your quote clearly states

      Actel has a strong claim that 'configuration files cannot be read back via JTAG or any other method' in the PA3 and in their other latest generation Flash FPGAs [18]. Hence, they claim, they are extremely secure because the readback access is not implemented. We discovered that in fact Actel did implement such an access, with a special key used for activation."

      Whilst incompetence is very normal, this is an extremely high level of incompetence in an area which is explicitly listed for checking in all military security standards (see even ancient things like the Orange book). I would say that, combined with the fact that the paper claims that the feature was quite well protected it pretty much rules out an accidentally left over debugging feature. At best it's a debugging feature they knew they shouldn't be putting in but decided to do anyway for reasons of convenience. Almost certainly someone put it in especially in order to get one over some chip user(s) with very little expectation of it being found.

      Given DARPA's interest, some time ago, in chip security it seems to me that they knew about this or similar backdoors and are either worried that they will be copied by competitors or that they are worried by the fact nobody has spotted any of them.

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    11. Re:The actual article by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

      More importantly, the back door was clearly designed to be very difficult to find. That's not standard for a debugging option

      Ever do FPGA work? Not thinking so. Sadly I can verify that in the FPGA world everything is all ultra-closed. Patents? Competitive advantage? IP laws? Hide evidence of patent infringement?

      No, but I'm not sure I see how what you describe is different from, for example, graphics cards?? Read the paper and you will see that this backdoor was found whilst looking at other "legitimate" hidden functionality. It's not just a matter of some undocumented functions.

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    12. Re:The actual article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does one tell legitimate code from anything else if code minimization/optimization/obscuring has been applied? It's easy to entangle unrelated code when you don't care about readability of the result, if you are trying to actively make the code hard to read (say, if you are in an industry where everyone tries to hide everything as GP described) it's downright stupid not to.

  6. Wait and see by 6031769 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Either the claims will be backed up by independently reproduced tests or they won't. But, given his apparent track record in this area and the obvious scrutiny this would bring, Skorobogatov must have been sure of his results before announcing this.

    Here's his publications list from his University home page, FWIW:
    http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sps32/#Publications

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    1. Re:Wait and see by Missing.Matter · · Score: 1

      Ah, the quintessential terrible academic homepage. Love that black/blue on mint green theme going on. Burned into my retina in 3 seconds flat!

    2. Re:Wait and see by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well, since the claims are pretty much that you can bypass some ip protection on the chip so you can clone it or reflash it.. if you have physical access.

      yeah, it sounds feasible. it's a pretty loooooooong ways from "omg china is backdooring our fighter jets!" though. also it seems like the functionality is deliberately made into the chip by the company making the chip.

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  7. Researcher's name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I note that the researcher's name is Russian for "soon [to be] rich."

    Feel free to draw your own conclusions.

    --T

    1. Re:Researcher's name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      (That said, his CV looks pretty solid. As someone above pointed out, it would be a pretty glaring error if someone with this much experience in this particular area turned out to be way off the mark.)

      --T

  8. samzenpus will be looking for a new job soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Even though this story has been blowing-up on Twitter, there are a few caveats. The backdoor doesn't seem to have been confirmed by anyone else, Skorobogatov is a little short on details, and he is trying to sell the scanning technology used to uncover the vulnerability.

    Hey hey HEY! You stop that right this INSTANT, samzenpus! This is Slashdot! We'll have none of your "actual investigative research" nonsense around here! Fear mongering to sell ad space, mister, and that's ALL! Now get back to work! We need more fluffy space-filling articles like that one about the minor holiday labeling bug Microsoft had in the UK! That's what we want to see more of!

  9. Is it called JTAG? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This makes me think of undocumented test/debug interfaces. It might not have been included as a deliberate backdoor - it's possible that it's a debug interface used by the chip designer/manufacturer that's not intended to be used by the end user.

    Before everyone starts freaking out about espionage/cyber warfare, just consider that this could just as easily been a careless oversight. Yes, this kind of interface should generally be disabled before shipping, but even so - failure to do so is still not necessarily malicious.

    1. Re:Is it called JTAG? by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 2

      But it does highlight the dangers in outsourcing production of something as sensitive as military hardware, when there's very few ways to actually verify on-chip silicon as being what you ordered, with no extraneous functionality.

      Any particular chip can be reasonably expected to have it's application reverse engineered by an intelligence agency if you know the schematics and an idea of the intended use. If you can't make sure the chip won't do any more then you want it to, then how hard would be it be, really, to slip in backdoor code which reacts to certain inputs? i.e. if you're manufacturing a microwave amplifier IC to be used in a radar system, then something as simple as allowing a certain key of radar pulses to cause the thing to fuzz it's output for a second, or mimic a failure condition, would be disastrous if the chip was ultimately used in a radar guided missile or an F-22. China just issues the appropriate pulse-codes and suddenly there's a mysteriously high failure rate, or greatly reduced combat effectiveness because no one can get a missile lock.

    2. Re:Is it called JTAG? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      I agree it most likely wasn't malicious, but its more than careless, its irresponsible, especially when dealing with military contracts.

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  10. why do they buy chips from China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the US military tried to make sure all its chips were made in the US (or NATO countries?) for this exact reason. I'm pretty sure there are still some chip plants in the US.

    Also what makes you think that this hasn't happened the other way round, many times already? How many iOS, Microsoft or Android powered devices are in use by the Chinese military?

  11. design flaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    major design flaw not the fault of an american engineer....

    1. Re:design flaw by busyqth · · Score: 1

      major design flaw not the fault of an american engineer....

      "American engineer" Lol! Heh heh... What an oxymoron! It's almost as bad as "Chinese electronics!" Ha ha ha...

      Waitaminute...

  12. No details. Nothing to see here. Move along... by sjbe · · Score: 1

    researchers have discovered that a microprocessor used by the US military

    What chip? What does it do? Is it important? There are lots of chips in use that in no way shape or form are sensitive or important and the presence of a back door would be meaningless. Just because the military uses it doesn't mean anything by itself. This "article" sounds like someone trying to justify a research grant or a company trying to generate fear to sell a competing product.

  13. Physician, heal thyself. . . by dtmos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA:

    Today we released the drafts of our full papers on QVL technology due to accidental publicity, because someone put the link to our very old drafts of abstracts on Reddit.

    This is a security guy I would trust, yessir.

    1. Re:Physician, heal thyself. . . by JGuru42 · · Score: 1

      Actually thinking about it I'd trust the guy more for this.

      Keeping his academic papers secret until he is ready to publish them is important but hardly worth putting extreme amounts of work into. To me that says that he's putting the effort into doing the research instead of simply protecting his research and has his priorities straight.

      It's slightly scary more people saw it as informative than Funny.

  14. Need physical access by mveloso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not sure how exciting this is, as they needed physical access to the chip to get anything out of it.

    1. Re:Need physical access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess the question then, in this particular case, isn't a military one so much as a commercial one.

      Is it likely this exists for some lazy troubleshooting purpose or for some kind of IP espionage?

    2. Re:Need physical access by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      Presumably if you knew this existed, then you might be able to predict the types of circuits it's tied into and figure out if the function could be activated remotely. After all, causing a microprocessor to lock up in debug mode, even if it would be watchdog-timer reset every few seconds, would be more then enough to effectively inactivate military hardware if you could do it continuously (or on demand).

    3. Re:Need physical access by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Not sure how exciting this is, as they needed physical access to the chip to get anything out of it.

      We're obviously very short on information regarding this. One could argue that, with a ready-made back door, an enemy would only need a very short duration of physical access to the chip. If these chips are used in hardware that gets regularly maintained for some reason (not hard to imagine in a military setting), getting physical access to the chip may not be as difficult as one might think.

      Also, to draw a bad analogy... remember when the first jpeg vulnerability came out? A lot of people said "big deal, it's just a graphic file format - it's unlikely it can be practically exploited." I've gotten past the point of being surprised when somebody figures out how to actually exploit something like this.

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    4. Re:Need physical access by multimediavt · · Score: 1

      Not sure how exciting this is, as they needed physical access to the chip to get anything out of it.

      If the EEPROM was reprogrammed/wiped wouldn't the backdoor in the hardware be closed (except for the physical access hole)? Call me crazy, but doesn't a backdoor need to be activated in order to work? Again, you might be able to tease it open with physical access, but I am not seeing how this could be a major deal for operational gear unless the EEPROM contained a trigger. Can anyone with an FPGA background elaborate?

    5. Re:Need physical access by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well, it would be more likely that the entire chip would be replaced for that kind of attack.

      and the attacker would need to make sure that the code they upload to it works with all the other devices the chip talks to in the plane.

      basically if you had that level access you might just as well reflash the entire sw running on the friggin jet. probably under the same seals too. if you really want it to be write-once only, just seal the damn thing in epoxy and don't expose the debug/maintenance connectors...

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    6. Re:Need physical access by MtHuurne · · Score: 2

      They needed physical access to find the backdoor. To use the backdoor, they only need JTAG access. JTAG is typically used during development and not during operation, but there might be systems where the JTAG interface is still accessible during operation, either to allow easy debugging/patching in the field or because it was made available through some other interface during development and never removed afterward.

      Another risk is that a stored AES key that is supposed to be unreadable was readable through the backdoor. So if the same key is used for multiple units, an attacker getting his hands on one unit can extract the key and do nasty things to other units.

    7. Re:Need physical access by ard · · Score: 1

      The researchers ("they"?) physical access to one chip. Presumably the key is the same in all other chips of the same manufacture.

  15. Yup, not surprised. by devitto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would a country not pay (or direct) a company to create products with particular subtle flaws ?

    It would cost 1000x more to discover and leverage a known flaw, than to just get an engineer to insert one - with or without the blessing of his management.

    The future is not bright.

    1. Re:Yup, not surprised. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would cost 1000x more to discover and leverage a known flaw, than to just get an engineer to insert one - with or without the blessing of his management.

      The future is not bright.

      Considering us engineers can ramp up the prices of inserting flaws by 999x, our future looks pretty bright indeed. Hawaii, a babe and a boat. Here I come. 0xdeadbeef to activate the exploit, Mr Chinaman.

  16. .......Surprice!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    In case anyone is wondering if the US could ever do something similar. Well, why not?

    The US might even consider leaving such "features" in for their co-partners on the Joint Strike Fighter program to not know about. http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/11/24/us-lockheed-fighter-exclusive-idUSTRE5AN4JX20091124 Is that a good thing? Well, not when others have the source code too. Then it become a liability. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124027491029837401.html

    1. Re:.......Surprice!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Apparently Jet Fighters the US has sold to Saudi Arabia do not have guidance maps of Israel built in. When the Saudis tried to put in the maps, the planes were made unusable because any atempt to change the plane's default software completley killed the aircraft.

  17. Particularly in a press release like that. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That entire article reads more like a press release with FUD than anything with any facts.

    Which chip?
    Which manufacturer?
    Which US customer?

    No facts and LOTS of claims. It's pure FUD.

    (Not that this might not be a real concern. But the first step is getting past the FUD and marketing materials and getting to the real facts.)

    1. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Take it easy. I assume if the researcher openly say exactly what chip and where exactly is the backdoor, then the military would be REALLY in trouble. So it may still be FUD, but caution never killed anyone.

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    2. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      Maybe not the military, but surely the companies using this chip in their weapons, and the manufacturer of it. And if it is a false alert, they will all probably sue someone for pretty big compensations ...

    3. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

      If the military publishes it, let 'em try and sue. How do you sue the Pentagon?

    4. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by colinrichardday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Suing is easy, just file in the appropriate court. The hard part is winning, or even getting a judge to let you proceed.

    5. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Riiiight, because if the guy went out and just named the chip the military would say 'oh that's okay, no harm no foul". Shit his ass would be in custody so fast it would make his head swim!

      Besides, lets be honest folks....who didn't know this kinda shit has been going on damned nearly constantly? To steal a line from an old movie "The Chinese fucking steal, they steal every idea that ain't nailed down!" and who can blame them? they've saved billions in R&D that way. hell look at their stealth fighter, the rumor is they paid dirt farmers to dig up the F117 that crashed in Kosovo and between that and the stealth drone that landed in Iran they saved years worth of work. Its just how the game is played.

      So the moral of the story here folks is simple, if you want it done right you do it yourself and you sure as hell don't trust a country known for snatching every idea that ain't nailed down and who is famous for copying other's stuff to do it for you! When you think about how many billions it costs to build a weapon nowadays frankly any country would be retarded not to just steal the tech if it were possible so this only shows the Chinese? NOT stupid. Again this isn't the first time, the Russians were shooting sidewinders at us all through the 60s because a dud one got lodged in a Chinese MiG over Taiwan and they managed to land the bird with it intact. the Russians saved themselves years of work on short range missiles by simply copying sidewinder. Supposedly you could mix and match parts between the Atoll 1 and the mid 60s sidewinder and no matter which combo you made it shot perfectly, they ripped off the design THAT well.

      If you don't like it you really only have two choices, either sell the tech the Chinese want, or DIY, that's really it. Because if you won't sell it to them then they WILL get it some other way and who can blame them? If it turns out the Chinese stealth stomps the F35 and can be made for less than $80 mil flyaway you don't think we'll steal from them? Please.

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    6. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sovereign Immunity. You cannot sue the government without their permission, so it's not as easy as "just file in the appropriate court" when you're suing the government itself. Yes, it is that easy for suing anyone else.

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    7. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by similar_name · · Score: 1

      If the military publishes it, let 'em try and sue. How do you sue the Pentagon?

      Ask them

    8. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by walshy007 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's the Actel ProAsic3, it fits the redacted portions that only show the first letters and in the scanned nda doc and some quotes about claims from the manufacturer exactly match it.

    9. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not that it would surprise me the least bit, knowing how MIL spec contractors try to cut costs....but....

      Name the chip
      Name the manu
      Name the idiot who bought it without testing for MIL spec
      Show us the code

      OR

      IT DIDN'T HAPPEN

    10. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Osama Bin Laden sued the Pentagon.

    11. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Besides, lets be honest folks....who didn't know this kinda shit has been going on damned nearly constantly?

      It's been going on for decades, although mostly by US companies. In one widely-publicised incident in 1994 for example, Intel secretly modified its Pentium CPU so that a certain floating-point divide instruction would produce incorrect results under some circumstances, thus ensuring that if it was used for missile guidance the projectiles would fall harmlessly into the pacific ocean instead of hitting the US. Intel initially denied there was a problem, but then under public pressure and with the OK of its secret government handlers declared it a "bug" and replaced the booby-trapped chips. That's just one example, this sort of thing has happened again and again and again in US and European-made devices, so it's not surprising the Chinese are getting in on the act as well.

    12. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by DV · · Score: 2

      https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sps32/sec_news.html#Assurance

      it's also written black on white (err greyish background) there
      in the abstact of the paper ! No need to guess :-)

      "Abstract. This paper is a short summary of a real world AES key extraction performed on a military grade FPGA marketed as 'virtually unbreakable' and 'highly secure'. We demonstrated that it is possible to extract the AES key from the Actel/Microsemi ProASIC3 chip in a time of 0.01 seconds using a new side-channel analysis technique called Pipeline Emission Analysis (PEA)."

        that's indeed extremely fast ...

      Daniel

    13. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by TheLink · · Score: 1

      So the moral of the story here folks is simple, if you want it done right you do it yourself and you sure as hell don't trust a country known for snatching every idea that ain't nailed down and who is famous for copying other's stuff to do it for you!

      How'd you get that moral from this story? There's no evidence yet that the Chinese put the backdoor in.

      What next you're going to blame the Chinese for Apple's backdoor? http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2010/10/25/careful-iphone-owners-simple-backdoor-lets-anyone-bypass-password-protection/
      http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57408370-281/how-apple-and-google-help-police-bypass-iphone-android-lock-screens/

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    14. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 4, Informative
    15. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by Myopic · · Score: 1

      I think Colin's point was that "to sue" someone means "to file a lawsuit against" someone. Even if a judge rules for the government on the basis of sovereign immunity, that still means a judge is making a decision, which means the case is already in court, which means somebody has already filed a lawsuit against the government, which means somebody "has sued" the government. If it were true, as you said, that "you cannot sue the government without their permission", that would mean that the filing clerk would deny your filing.

    16. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by oreaq · · Score: 1

      The chip is the ProASIC3 from Microsemi/Actel. The "backdoor" is part of the JTAG, the debugging framework for the chip. The backdoor was implemented by Acatel (see the original paper) for debugging purposes. China is not really involved in any of this.

    17. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      Lots more information in my post up thread.

    18. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation needed.

    19. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by Slicebo · · Score: 1

      I call bullshit. Cite your sources.

    20. Re:Particularly in a press release like that. by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      I call bullshit. Cite your sources.

      Whoosh.

      (Well OK, if you really need a reference, here's one).

  18. Not the first time by craigminah · · Score: 1

    I've seen this is other products made in China and sold globally. The government has a list of electronics and manufacturers they cannot buy and cannot let into government facilities.

  19. Remember the Printers Sold to Iraq by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's been alleged that printers were sold to Iraq that had devices that guided cruise missiles or guided bombs to their targets in one of the Iraq wars. Most computers, printers and other office accessories are now made in the far east (China?) and who knows what's in them.

    1. Re:Remember the Printers Sold to Iraq by PPH · · Score: 2

      You are over thinking this. Pack the toner cartridge with Semtex and FedEx it to your target.

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  20. Should only buy military components from allies by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 1

    Absolutely.
    The US military should have a strict policy of only buying military parts from sovereign, free, democratic countries with a long history of friendship, such as Israel, Canada, Europe, Japan and South Korea.

    And a preference should be given to American-made parts, since you need domestic factories to mobilise in times of war.

    1. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by 0123456 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The US military should have a strict policy of only buying military parts from sovereign, free, democratic countries with a long history of friendship, such as Israel, Canada, Europe, Japan and South Korea.

      Didn't the US and UK governments sell crypto equipment they knew they could break to their 'allies' during the Cold War?

    2. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by Sparticus789 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Absolutely. The US military should have a strict policy of only buying military parts from sovereign, free, democratic countries with a long history of friendship, such as Israel, Canada, Europe, Japan and South Korea.

      And a preference should be given to American-made parts, since you need domestic factories to mobilise in times of war.

      First problem..... they already have that policy. But the problem is that the components used for military and government applications have to be purchased from American companies. Then to save a buck, the companies sub-contract for components from places like China and "assemble" the equipment in friendly countries. That way, the product does not have a "made in China" sticker on them.

      Second problem.... 20 years ago the DOD had their own processor manufacturing facilities, IC chips, etc. They were shut down in favor of commercial equipment because some idiot decided it was better to have an easier time buying replacement parts at Radioshack than buying quality military-grade components that could last in austere environments. (Yes, speaking from experience). Servers and workstations used to be built from the ground up at places like Tobyhanna Army Depot. Now, servers and workstations are bought from Dell.

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    3. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      Anybody remember Jonathan Pollard?

    4. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 1

      Yup. Both nations have also intentionally withheld information from the other to disguise their own capabilities too. There's still a lot of espionage on the go even between "bestest buddy" countries.

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    5. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US military should have a strict policy of only buying military parts from sovereign, free, democratic countries with a long history of friendship, such as Israel, Canada, Europe, Japan and South Korea.

      Didn't the US and UK governments sell crypto equipment they knew they could break to their 'allies' during the Cold War?

      I highly doubt that what changed hands was some already known-to-be-breakable crypto system. I'm sure money was exchanged, but people like you and I will never get to know what the deal was really about.
      But I guess it could be classical political idiocy. i.e. We had a contract to buy a system, but we spied and found it was breakable, they spied and found out we spied, we spied and found out that they spied on us and discovered us spying on them, etc. but in the interests of being Gentlemen about things, called it a deal and got some hookers.

    6. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 1

      Didn't the US and UK governments sell crypto equipment they knew they could break to their 'allies' during the Cold War?

      Do you have sources for that?

    7. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 1

      First problem..... they already have that policy. But the problem is that the components used for military and government applications have to be purchased from American companies. Then to save a buck, the companies sub-contract for components from places like China and "assemble" the equipment in friendly countries. That way, the product does not have a "made in China" sticker on them.

      I wasn't clear, but I meant that there should be a strict policy that military parts have to be
      completely manufactured (including subparts) in friendly countries.

    8. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      "Japan"

      Your definition of "long history" seems a little... short.

    9. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Second problem.... 20 years ago the DOD had their own processor manufacturing facilities, IC chips, etc. They were shut down in favor of commercial equipment because some idiot decided it was better to have an easier time buying replacement parts at Radioshack than buying quality military-grade components that could last in austere environments. (Yes, speaking from experience). Servers and workstations used to be built from the ground up at places like Tobyhanna Army Depot. Now, servers and workstations are bought from Dell.

      Fabs are expensive. The latest generation nodes cost billions of dollars to set up and billions more to run. If they aren't cranking chips out 24/7, they're literally costing money. Yes, I know it's hte military, but I'm sure people have a hard time justifying $10B every few years just to fab a few chips. One of the biggest developments in the 90s was the development of foundries that let anyone with a few tens of millions get in the game of producing chips rather than requiring billions in startup costs. Hence the startup of tons of fabless companies selling chips.

      OK, another option is to buy a cheap obsolete fab and make chips that way - much cheaper to run, but we're also talking maybe 10+ year old technology, at which point the chips are going to be slower and take more power.

      Also, building your own computer from the ground up is expensive - either you buy the designs of your servers from say, Intel, or design your own. If you buy it, it'll be expensive and probably require your fab to be upgraded (or you get stuck with an old design - e.g., Pentium (the original) - which Intel bought back from the DoD because the DoD had been debugging it over the decade). If you went with the older cheaper fab, the design has to be modified to support that technology (you cannot just take a design and run with it - you have to adapt your chip to the foundry you use).

      If you roll your own, that becomes a support nightmare because now no one knows the system.

      And on the taxpayer side - I'm sure everyone will question why youre spending billions running a fab that's only used at 10% capacity - unless you want the DoD getting into the foundry business with its own issues.

      Or, why is the military spending so much money designing and running its own computer architecture and support services when they could buy much cheaper machines from Dell and run Linux on them?

      Hell, even if the DoD had budget for that, some bean counter will probalby do the same so they can save money from one side and use it to buy more fighter jets or something.

      30+ years ago, defense spending on electronics formed a huge part of the overall electronics spending. These days, defense spending is but a small fraction - it's far more lucrative to go after the consumer market than the military - they just don't have the economic clout they once had. End result is the miliary is forced to buy COTS ICs, or face stuff like a $0.50 chip costing easily $50 or more for same just because the military is a bit-player for semiconductors.

    10. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by Genda · · Score: 1, Funny

      ...Once the Germans were warlike and mean,
      But that couldn't happen again...
      We taught them a lesson in 1918
      And they've hardly bother us since then...

      -- Tom Lerher, The MLF Lullaby

    11. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by Genda · · Score: 1

      You do know that the Mossad has been caught stealing and collecting American Top Secrets. In fact most of the nations above save perhaps Canada have at one time or another been caught either spying on us, or performing dirty deeds cheap against America's best interest. I'd say for the really classified stuff, like the internal security devices that monitor everything else... homegrown only thanks, and add that any enterprising person who's looking to get paid twice by screwing with the hardware or selling secrets to certified unfriendlies get's to cools their heels for VERY LONG TIME.

    12. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enigma machines were sold by the UK to allies for years - the fact that Enigma had been broken was secret until relatively recently.

    13. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In other news, voters clamor for an efficient government, but then are shocked when the government sources contracts to the lowest bidder.

      *facepalm* Either pay for an expensive, inefficient government that props up corporations solely so that it has a national source for everything military, or shut the fuck up and pay China for its cheap crap.

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    14. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow. I didn't realize the Canadians were so good at spying.

      Oh Canada!

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    15. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by Sparticus789 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These fabrication centers WERE running full time. Think about it, every radio, every o-scope, every computer that is not connected to the public internet, were all made right here in the U.S. At one of my duty stations, we had a server the size of 3 refrigerators that was fabricated in 1992. We used it as our backup server/router/gateway. All you had to do was turn on a switch and it did everything that we needed it to do. Plus we knew that there were no Chinese surprises in it.

      They never ran their own computer architecture, in the late 80's and early 90's they were all SPARC-style computers with Solaris loaded on them (I believe they paid licensing fees, but don't quote me on that). Yes, some of those computers are still in use because they have been running for 15+ years. I know of a few that haven't even been rebooted since they were turned on in 1995. Most field systems (shelters on the back of a vehicle) still use these computers.

      Also to consider, for performing the tasks a tactical field system needs to, they do not need a 8-core processor with 64GB of RAM and 4 GB of video memory. They need something that is rugged and can operate in 100+ degree environments while covered in sand (Air conditioners break all the time when it is hot as hell).

      When I was in Iraq, the only things that broke were our Dell POS computers. I remember one time we had the SPARC machines running in a shelter with no air conditioning (except for the table fan I grabbed from my room). It was 130+ in that shelter and they ran just fine for the 3 hours it took to find a working AC. That's the kind of computers they need, and if it takes a few billion to put those in essential systems, I have no problem with it. Better than the other BS the government spends their money on.

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    16. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No the first problem is he listed Israel as a place for trusted military parts.

      If anyone thinks they wouldn't pull shit like this if they thought they could get away with it, you're a fool. Shit, even a list of some of the Knesset's favorite quotes about America should be enough to close that door real fucking hard.

    17. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by emt377 · · Score: 1

      You do know that the Mossad has been caught stealing and collecting American Top Secrets.

      They're not going to use those against us or sell them to our enemies, so it's a pretty marginal concern.

      The reason we don't let our friends and allies have access to everything we know is not because we begrudge them anything or don't trust them, but because the more who know the less secure it is, simply because there are more opportunities for leaks.

    18. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      I am sure the good people at the Depot can produce a great nuclear emp protected server to fly/sail/drive military units around the world.
      With it you can add the details of many protesters spotted at base fences and sort them, get facial recognition and build up a fine database.
      The problem is talking to the rest of the data sitting around the USA.
      With private sector servers you can bring in info from your protesters and link it with many commercial databases around the USA and the world.
      Food, flying points, phone plans, computer usage all gets bought up in the private sector by front companies and then sorted on easy to use, massive hardware systems.
      Dell is winning, ex service personal who are now contractors are winning and the political parties who allowed the changes enjoyed contributions.

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    19. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, building your own computer from the ground up is expensive - either you buy the designs of your servers from say, Intel, or design your own. If you buy it, it'll be expensive and probably require your fab to be upgraded (or you get stuck with an old design - e.g., Pentium (the original) - which Intel bought back from the DoD because the DoD had been debugging it over the decade). If you went with the older cheaper fab, the design has to be modified to support that technology (you cannot just take a design and run with it - you have to adapt your chip to the foundry you use).

      A lot of the gear that's being used is older designs/tech. It takes time and effort to get new processors/electronics qualified for use in things like avionics. Look at what modern planes like the dreamliner or a340 are using, they certainly aren't use the latest core i7 chips. If you want to make your chips radiation hardened and/or space qualified then it takes even more effort. For example, the current IBM space qualified processor, the RAD750, is based on the powerpc 750 which was introduced in 1997 and uses 250nm or 150nm design rules. A fab to produce 150nm chips is way obsolete and can probably be picked up relatively cheap. Avionics systems use newer stuff like the Atom D5xx but that's still 2 generations old and will soon be 3 generations behind. I think the military could probably pick up an older fab or equipment for this moderately cheap and use that to build chips if it needed to.

    20. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      their flapping heads double-up as radar dishes

    21. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by gtall · · Score: 1

      And 20 years ago, that may have been possible. There is no way it can reproduce the entire techno-eco-system required to provide the military with everything it needs. To run efficiently, you need just-in-time manufacturing ability. To do that, you need to have a lot of buyers because otherwise you are constantly starting and stopping your manufacturing lines. The DoD might be big but they are not that big.

      The GP had it correct, there is no way to efficiently build equipment exclusively for the U.S. military. And not using the latest and greatest doesn't really save you much money. The cost is in the production facilities and personnel, not in when you use that latest pile of Intel chips.

    22. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by FhnuZoag · · Score: 1

      Boy, how soon do people forget.

      http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/04/backdoor-in-mission-critical-hardware-threatens-power-traffic-control-systems/

      Made in Canada :p.

      Security vulnerabilities are everywhere. You cannot *whitelist* by country. I'll bet you 20 bucks that even if you only used US parts manufactured and designed in the US, you will *still* find backdoors like the one described here which a sufficiently dedicated attacker with a password sniffer will be able to break right open. Your only protection is rigorous security testing and multi-layered defense.

    23. Re:Should only buy military components from allies by tibit · · Score: 1

      Relatively recently? As in 1950s recently? What are you talking about -- it's been known all over Europe that Enigma was in fact broken, and by 1950 I'm sure everyone got the message. Publicly. Perhaps the mathematical details weren't all widely disseminated, but that's it.

      --
      A successful API design takes a mixture of software design and pedagogy.
  21. Surprised by fluffythedestroyer · · Score: 1

    Call me an idiot or naive but I thought, especially because of security issues, the us military would make their own chips instead of asking another country or corporation to do it.

  22. Is it a story if you stick on a question mark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paranoid libertarians don't notice that headline isn't statement? Slashdot a cesspool of idiots? We will never see real stories again?

  23. As bad as the "clipper" chip? by Yoik · · Score: 1

    A couple decades ago, the US security agencies pushed hard for the industry to standardize on a encryption chip that allowed legal wiretaps. Unfortunately, it wasn't as secure as they thought and actually allowed rather easy decryption.

    Of course, that was due to stupidity, not malice.

  24. Would anybody really be surprised? by WindBourne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Chinese leaders are in a cold war with the west. As such, it is far cheaper and easier to be able to shut down an adversaries equipment if you are manufacturing it for them. If the west would quit being foolish, they would insist on equipment made in secured companies. And Google has already proved that nothing in China is secured from the gov.

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    I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    1. Re:Would anybody really be surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Destroy each and every one of them.

      Patton already thought of this and fully intended to do it, but Truman stopped him. Truman had the forsight to realize that even if you do this... they just keep coming. Its better to let them destroy themselves, which is what they are fiendishly doing to us as well.

    2. Re:Would anybody really be surprised? by fa2k · · Score: 1

      Chinese leaders are in a cold war with the west.

      This is news to me. I'm not saying it's false, but I haven't seen any actions from China's government to indicate this. There are stories about hacking, and now about hardware corruption, but the details are so vague that it's hard to know what to believe. An the other hand, there is a flourishing and growing commerce between China and western countries. China is of course quite totalitarian, which is contrary to western values, but that's a political and not a diplomatic stance.

    3. Re:Would anybody really be surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually read one just the other day while reading up on SONAR
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Impeccable_(T-AGOS-23)

      Read through that and tell me we're not involved in a 'cold war'.

    4. Re:Would anybody really be surprised? by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      So, you mean fixing their money against western money by 50% or moer, even though it is against WTO, IMF, and even the Clinton-China Agreement is not enough? How about massive dumping on the western market? Or subsidizing what is sent here? All illegal per the agreements.
      Or the massive amounts of spies here. I have dealt with 2 spies already. One was working hard to get access to equipment that was ITARed (we had massive issues sending it to UK). This guy went so far as to offer bribes for it.
      How about the fact that their Space Station is open to the military only? That means that they are putting manned military systems up in space.
      I could go on and on and on. But even their own studies are about how to defeat USA, followed by EU. Yes, they want to break NATO and then attack USA, followed by EU.
      BTW, most of us westerners think in terms of civilians in control. That is standard with democracies. That is NOT the case in China. It is shared between the communist party AND the military. Do not look at what we see as the top ppl there. Look at what the military says and does. THAT is the real power in China.

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  25. right as usual by eyenot · · Score: 1

    Looks like my railing against the inherent weaknesses in FPGAs and the need to ditch the fabless model for the sake of quality control wasn't just hot air.

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    "Stratigraphically the origin of agriculture and thermonuclear destruction will appear essentially simultaneous" -- Lee
    1. Re:right as usual by russotto · · Score: 1

      Looks like my railing against the inherent weaknesses in FPGAs and the need to ditch the fabless model for the sake of quality control wasn't just hot air.

      Assuming the feature was added at manufacturing time rather than designed into the chip, anyway.

    2. Re:right as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet another brilliant insight, eyenot. We distinctly remember you were the only one trying to bring focus to this issue many times in the past, yet no one would listen.

      Oh wait, no we don't.

    3. Re:right as usual by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

      Looks like my railing against the inherent weaknesses in FPGAs....

      Do you have a link for that?

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  26. The lesson of piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is more a lesson of piracy and picking the lowest-bidder than anything else.

    When China undercuts other nations manufacturing by pirating their IP, without any clue what some bits do, it introduces bugs, backdoors and quality issues. I don't know why on earth the US Military would ever buy IC's from China for use in domestic military, but such is the folly of outsourcing to the lowest bidder.

    If the US wants to avoid this blunder again, they'll only purchase semiconductor parts made in the US. Things like the A5 chip in the iPhone doesn't matter a whole lot when it's in consumer devices because a 500$ iphone isn't going to be part of a 500 million dollar stealth jet.

    As everyone should have learned from the Iranian Nuclear centrifuges, if it's of critical military or infrastructure value, you make it yourself and don't steal foreigners designs, because those designs may have backdoors in them.

    Yes, it's not possible to do this all the time, but the US Military should just bankroll a chipfab and design house and have all US Military chips produced in-house and checked against public sources to see if there are backdoors before purchasing additional supply from the public.

  27. No China link yet, probably a US backdoor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no China link to the backdoor yet. The only reference to China is in the Slashdot article title.

    1. Re:No China link yet, probably a US backdoor by rtfa-troll · · Score: 2

      There is no China link to the backdoor yet.

      The page with a link to the final paper actually does mention China. However, it's an American design from a US company. I suspect we will find the backdoor was in the original plans. It will be interesting to see however.

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      =~ s,(.*),<sarcasm>$1</sarcasm>,g if any_point_you_wish();
  28. made in where?? by ncohafmuta · · Score: 1

    i actually think i saw a "Made in China" bumper sticker on our drones.

  29. The Chinese are... by charlieo88 · · Score: 1

    CYLONS! Wait, where is #6?

  30. Requires Physical Access by laing · · Score: 4, Informative

    The back-door described in the white paper requires access to the JTAG (1149.1) interface to exploit. Most deployed systems do not provide an active external interface for JTAG. With physical access to a "secure" system based upon these parts, the techniques described in the white paper allow for a total compromise of all IP within. Without physical access, very little can be done to compromise systems based upon these parts.

    1. Re:Requires Physical Access by NuclearCat · · Score: 1

      Technician (chinese spy), while servicing something not important - will access fighter jet "computer" that store secure codes, by this password he can retrieve codes, that are supposed to be secure. Send them to homeland. That's even worse in result.

    2. Re:Requires Physical Access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Remember that US UAV that went down in Iran?
      There is a lot of IP tied up in that, and now maybe they can just attach a JTAG device to read it all!

    3. Re:Requires Physical Access by CreamyG31337 · · Score: 1

      That's why they write a worm to look for that JTAG interface, and hope it arrives at the computer they are programming the firmware on the chips from. Or just find or steal a 'deployed device', it's not like drones and missles aren't launched into enemy territory. Apparently this bug/feature is in ALL Microsemi/Actel hardware, so there's plenty of targets.

    4. Re:Requires Physical Access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      getting the bit stream out of an fpga is ok if you want to make a verbatim copy using the same part, but making sense of the bits is a bit like trying to decompile the encrypted machine code for a massively parallel cpu with a secret instructionset

      theres really no open source tool capable of making a bit stream for an fpga for the simple reason that how to make the bitstream is a very closely held secret

    5. Re:Requires Physical Access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least for Xilinx FPGAs ... no, it's not *that* hard to go from bitstream back to physical netlist.
      The problem is going from LUTs + registers + nets to anything resembling useful HDL.

    6. Re:Requires Physical Access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about physical access as in when hardware is recovered by the enemy? This paper makes it only appear even more feasible that Iran did in fact
      gain full control over the uav they recovered a few months ago. They may have extracted every single bit of information from the craft. On top of that
      this chip (Actel/Microsemi ProASIC3 (PA3) A3P250 and other Actel devices) is used in other sensitive devices that can be removed to a place where
      they can be studied.

  31. Sun Tzu by msobkow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sun Tzu said the greatest victory is one which doesn't require a shot. One won by subverting the enemy from within.

    What greater subversion can there be than to convince the enemy to hire you to build their weapon's systems components?

    Apparently the American Military (and probably that of the rest of the world) hasn't bothered reading any "classic" literature on warfare before signing on the dotted line...

    --
    I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
    1. Re:Sun Tzu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, he's part of pre education t Levenworth.

    2. Re:Sun Tzu by joh · · Score: 1

      Sun Tzu said the greatest victory is one which doesn't require a shot.

      It may also be the best way of losing, especially if you ask those who haven't been shot then.

    3. Re:Sun Tzu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A shot? When did Sun Tzu live? Were there guns then? Or do you mean "a shot" metaphorically?

      Yeah, allowing your enemies (and potential enemies) or even former enemies (people with an axe to grind) to be responsible for producing something used for your national defense goes way past "fucking stupid". It's suicidally insane. Also, it's fucking stupid.

      All such things should be produced exclusively domestically. Also, background checks should be done extensively to ensure enemies don't infiltrate the design, manufacture, etc.

      It's almost as stupid as getting the petrochemicals you need to make the fuel that your nation's commerce runs on from your enemies...

    4. Re:Sun Tzu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are completely fooling yourself if you think the US Military is unaware of the military classics.
      Page 9: http://www.history.army.mil/html/books/105/105-1-1/CMH_Pub_105-1-1.pdf

    5. Re:Sun Tzu by burnttoy · · Score: 1

      "Now, you must remember: the enemy has only images and illusions behind which he hides his true motives. Destroy the image and you will break the enemy."

      That one?

      X

      --
      Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
    6. Re:Sun Tzu by SIR_Taco · · Score: 1

      What greater subversion can there be than to convince the enemy to hire you to build their weapon's systems components?

      Git?

      --
      I say don't drink and drive, you might spill your drink. Before you get behind the wheel just stop and think.
    7. Re:Sun Tzu by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      A shot? When did Sun Tzu live? Were there guns then? Or do you mean "a shot" metaphorically?

      One shoots bows and bolts in addition to bullets and shells.

      --
      Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
    8. Re:Sun Tzu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention that China had figured out saltpeter about 100 years before Sun Tzu was born. Guns came later, though.

  32. Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    1) Read the paper http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sps32/Silicon_scan_draft.pdf
    2) This is talking about FPGAs designed by Microsemi/Actel.
    3) The article focuses on the ProAsic3 chips but says all the Microsemi/Actel chips tested had the same backdoor including but not limited to Igloo, Fusion and Smartfusion.
    4) FPGAs give JTAG access to their internals for programming and debugging but many of the access methods are proprietary and undocumented. (security through obscurity)
    5) Most FPGAs have features that attempt to prevent reverse engineering by disabling the ability to read out critical stuff.
    6) These chips have a secret passphrase (security through obscurity again) that allows you to read out the stuff that was supposed to be protected.
    7) These researchers came up with a new way of analyzing the chip (pipeline emission analysis) to discover the secret passphrase. More conventional anaylsis (differential power analysis) was not sensitive enough to reveal it.

    This sounds a lot (speculation on my part) like a deliberate backdoor put in for debug purposes, security through obscurity at it's best. It doesn't sound like something secret added by the chip fab company, although time will tell. Just as embedded controller companies have gotten into trouble putting hidden logins into their code thinking they're making the right tradeoff between convenience and security, this hardware company seems to have done the same.

    Someone forgot to tell the marketing droids though and they made up a bunch of stuff about how the h/w was super secure.

    1. Re:Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't see anything there that justifies the mention of China as relevant.

      So the title, summary and article are pretty much trolling for hits/impressions.

    2. Re:Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 0

      I don't see anything there that justifies the mention of China as relevant.

      All you have to do is objectivly think about it:

      If it was not desiged in by Microsemi/Actel, than it must have been added by the folks in China .

      That's not too hard, is it?

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      If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
    3. Re:Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Erm, how about

      Most silicon chips are now designed and made abroad by third parties. Is there any independent way to evaluate these products that are used in critical systems?

      And the fact that the paper's very title refers to backdoors, and

      In a search of the ideal target we decided to test the Actel/Microsemi ProASIC3 (PA3) A3P250 device because of its high security specifications and wide use in military and industrial applications. Actel, who developed PA3 devices, market them as chips which 'offer one of the highest levels of design security in the industry' [12].

      The paper doesn't say it outright, but it does everything but. Their purpose is to market their technique, but if the technical details are correct (and I'm not qualified to assess that), it makes, quite deliberately, a strong case for being paranoid about the exact makeup of security-sensitive chips being manufactured abroad.

    4. Re:Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by JimCanuck · · Score: 5, Interesting


      I don't think anyone fully understands JTAG, there are a lot of different versions of it mashed together on the typical hardware IC. Regardless if its a FPGA, microcontroller or otherwise. The so called "back door" can only be accessed through the JTAG port as well, so unless the military installed a JTAG bridge to communicate to the outside world and left it there, well then the "backdoor" is rather useless.

      Something that can also be completely disabled by setting the right fuse inside the chip itself to disable all JTAG connections. Something that is considered standard practice on IC's with a JTAG port available once assembled into their final product and programmed.

      Plus according to Microsemi's own website, all military and aerospace qualified versions of their parts are still made in the USA. So this "researcher" used commercial parts, which depending on the price point can be made in the plant in Shanghai or in the USA at Microsemi's own will.

      The "researcher" and the person who wrote the article need to spend some time reading more before talking.

    5. Re:Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If/Then, not If/Than.

      That's not too hard, is it?

    6. Re:Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see anything there that justifies the mention of China as relevant.

      All you have to do is objectivly think about it:

      If it was not desiged in by Microsemi/Actel, than it must have been added by the folks in China .

      That's not too hard, is it?

      Try this spelling on for size...If Microsemi/Actel is more ignorant than evil then, they probably did it on accident.

    7. Re:Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by emt377 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The so called "back door" can only be accessed through the JTAG port as well, so unless the military installed a JTAG bridge to communicate to the outside world and left it there, well then the "backdoor" is rather useless.

      With pin access to the FPGA it's trivial to hook it up, no bridges or transceivers needed. If it's a BGA then get a breakout/riser board that provides pin access. This is off-the-shelf stuff. This means if the Chinese military gets their hands on the hardware they can reverse engineer it. They won't have to lean very hard on the manufacturer for them to cough up every last detail. In China you just don't say no to such requests if you know what's good for you and your business.

    8. Re:Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by Dwonis · · Score: 1

      Maybe Chinese is his native language.

    9. Re:Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by JimCanuck · · Score: 1


      Lets assume that the FPGA's were actually made in China used for DoD requirements ... the actual end use of the devices is in the USA, the boards assuming they are not also made in the USA, and then programmed in China, then yes your point might be valid.

      However, Microsemi claims to make their Mil-Spec stuff in the USA, which is one of the reasons many tech companies still have manufacturing plants and fabs in the US.

      More then likely, to prevent ITAR regulatory problems, and to ensure their own trade secrets are safe, the Defense contractor, would produce the PCB's in house, or inside the United States so that it can keep a tighter eye on their product.

      The Defense contractor would be programming in the USA, transfer of the program outside of the US is probably illegal due to ITAR regulations, so its a good bet that this is the case.

      If the requirement was of any sensitive nature, the fuse bits would have been set, and disabled any kind of programming, JTAG, or other interface to allow access to the native code residing on the chip. Hell cheap consumer electronics blow the fuses on their programmable IC's too for the protection. As do many commercial gang programers by default blow the fuses as its not a development system that was being built but a finished end product.

      So the finished and programed board, would have to be taken from a Defense contractor, or the Military itself directly, flown to China, and then what? The fuses are blown and JTAG doesn't work anymore, back door or not.

      Still seems to me like a non-issue. Even if the fuses weren't blown, unless they steal a physical device and send it back to China, or there is a bridge interface to connect the end products JTAG port remotely, seems to me there is a very low chance that the Chinese are going to get the program on the chips.

    10. Re:Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by SpazmodeusG · · Score: 0

      Still seems to me like a non-issue. Even if the fuses weren't blown, unless they steal a physical device and send it back to China, or there is a bridge interface to connect the end products JTAG port remotely, seems to me there is a very low chance that the Chinese are going to get the program on the chips.

      Not being readable even when someone has the device in hand is exactly what these secure FPGAs are meant to protect against!

      It's not a non-issue. It's a complete failure of a product to provide any advantages over non-secure equivalents.

    11. Re:Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by JimCanuck · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not being readable even when someone has the device in hand is exactly what these secure FPGAs are meant to protect against!

      It's not a non-issue. It's a complete failure of a product to provide any advantages over non-secure equivalents.

      You clearly have NOT used a FPGA or similar. First the ProASIC3 the article focuses on is the CHEAPEST product in the product line (some of that model line reach down to below a dollar each). But beyond that ...

      Devices are SECURED by processes, such as blowing the JTAG fuses in the device which makes them operation only, and unreadable. They are secureable, if you follow the proper processes and methods laid out by the manufacturer of the specific chip.

      Just because a "research paper" claims there is other then standard methods of JTAG built into the JTAG doesn't mean that the device doesn't secure as it should, nor does it mean this researcher who is trying to peddle his own product is anything but biased in this situation.

    12. Re:Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by Johann+Lau · · Score: 1

      If you're too fucking stupid to parse the meaning of a sentence despite the tiniest of errors, you're in no position to diss people for making such errors; they're dancing circles around you.

      That goes for all 3 of you predictable, redundant nitwits.

    13. Re:Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then.

    14. Re:Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by Vegemeister · · Score: 1

      If you're too fucking stupid to use the right word, you're in no position to put it in bold and bitch when people notice.

    15. Re:Most likely inserted by Microsemi/Actel not fab by Johann+Lau · · Score: 1

      "HURR DURR YOU MAED A MISTAEK SO I CANNOT RESPOND TO ANYTHING ELSE". If you cannot fill the void with an actual response, let the void be there, and the parent be correctly identified as not responded to yet. Easy, no? But some people just get itchy and dumb, they can't do that. So they get slapped, and then someone like you gets itchy and stands up for them, and so on.

  33. Buy... by pubwvj · · Score: 2

    ...American.

    This, of course, means the USA needs to produce too.

  34. Let us assume for a minute that you want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to buy only from your country's manufacturers. You are the government and you buy, lets say, 20% of a product. But 80% is consumed by the commercial market which buys on price. You either have to subsidize in-your-country manufacturing or accept the fact that manufacturing of the product you want to buy is fleeing to the low cost provider countries (which isn't always China). And the supply chain for that product has moved too. Welcome to practical economics.

    Think of buying a computer made today in the US...you choose the boards, chips made by the in-country supplier but most of the boards, chips in your computer come from a second, third or forth country. And with R&D shops being set up in multiple low labor cost countries, by the third generation you have lost any assurance you might have had...not to mention that a second/third/etc country loyalist could have been making, designing, or altering the chips characteristics even though the chip was designed in your country and made in your country.

    An almost impossible situation.

    1. Re:Let us assume for a minute that you want by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      First off, military != economics. They are totally different issues.
      Secondly, the US, in fact, the west, still produces loads of chips. It is not impossible to scale it back up.

      From a security POV, the west SHOULD keep the manufacturing in-house. As it is, the Chinese gov. subsidized electronics, AE, etc. to get the tech from the west. It is in the west's best interest to simply walk away from this. At least where it concerns our military.

      Ideally, we will use that to re-start the consumer side as well.

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  35. Re:No details. Nothing to see here. Move along... by CreamyG31337 · · Score: 2

    From the draft paper's conclusion:
    We investigated the PA3 backdoor problem through Internet searches, software and hardware analysis and found that this particular backdoor is not a result of any mistake or an innocent bug, but is instead a deliberately inserted and well thought-through backdoor that is crafted into, and part of, the PA3 security system. We analysed other Microsemi/Actel products and found they all have the same deliberate backdoor. Those products include, but are not limited to: Igloo, Fusion and Smartfusion. The PA3 is heavily marketed to the military and industry and resides in some very sensitive and critical products. From Google searches alone we have found that the PA3 is used in military products such as weapons, guidance, flight control, networking and communications. In industry it is used in nuclear power plants, power distribution, aerospace, aviation, public transport and automotive products.

  36. Well... by Zamphatta · · Score: 1

    If this turns out to be true or not, I think the fact the US military is having its secrets "made in China" while the US is actively trying to convince its populous that they're under cyber attacks, really contradicts itself but should at least raise some good questions in public & congress.

  37. Fear of shutdown is real ... by perpenso · · Score: 1

    Fear mongering. It sells...

    The fear of backdoors and data snooping are a bit hysterical.

    However the fear of a chip being remotely shutdown, possible damaged, is quite plausible and a far more practical method of attack.

    1. Re:Fear of shutdown is real ... by geoskd · · Score: 1

      However the fear of a chip being remotely shutdown, possible damaged, is quite plausible and a far more practical method of attack.

      It really isn't that much more plausible than a remote back door. That would imply an illicit connection, which is pretty unlikely given the complexity of any kind of remote communication. The best they could hope for would be a specific internal state triggering a shutdown of some kind, but even that would be unlikely to pass through quality assurance undetected. It would be too easy for some situation in qual to accidentally trigger the shutdown and result in someone digging into the shutdown to find out why it happened.

      The entire idea of a manufacturer being able to insert useful functionality into a large scale design of a single component that must work in conjunction with an entire system is absurd. It would be prohibitively difficult for the designer to insert that kind of remote access. It is pointless to consider the problem from a component level. The only place any kind of meaningful espionage tools can be developed is at the system level, and even there it is simply more effective to do it at the software level.

      -=Geoskd

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  38. Ohhh, that's extra by Nov8tr · · Score: 0

    Memo from China: "Sir this memo is to inform you that you were undercharged for your military chips. The inclosed invoice is for $5 per chip for the "extra" backdoor "feature". Please enclose a certified check in the enclosed envelope along with a copy of the invoice. Please mail to: Norinko Beijing, China Thank you for your cooperation in this unfortunate error. If we need any further info we will use our new "feature" to get it. Sincerely, General (name redacted)

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  39. It's called JTAG baby by IQGQNAU · · Score: 1

    Try and find a modern digital IC of any size without a backdoor! It's called JTAG. Everyone has to design them in, they've not secrets. That's how the manufacturer tests each chip to see if it works or not. Often used in system development as well.

    1. Re:It's called JTAG baby by rtfa-troll · · Score: 2

      If you had RTFA, you would have seen that this chip also has JTAG and that this backdoor precisely breaches the documented and promised limitations of JTAG against seeing embedded crypto keys.

      Imagine you have a crypto device; you want users to be able to program in new keys and then send it out into the field which you do over the JTAG interface. You then don't want captured crypto devices to give away the keys. This device promises that it will do that for you. This backdoor breaks that promise.

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    2. Re:It's called JTAG baby by IQGQNAU · · Score: 1

      The notion of security for a device for which someone has JTAG access is a joke, and I'm not being sarcastic. This article is purely trolling by putting "China" in the title. There is no chip of meaningful complexity made anywhere in the world that is safe from complete pwnage if JTAG access is available. Even if/when someone took the trouble to try and make sure there is no direct access to the key registers via JTAG, I guarantee that there are indirect means to read them. The fact that JTAG access to state elements is often added at synthesis from RTL means the functional designers often have no idea what can or can't be done via the JTAG for a particular chip. Absolutely no subterfuge needs to be imagined for manufacturer-generated JTAG elements to do arbitrary things besides the tiny subset they actually use which is testing. But back to my original point. If you've got JTAG access then there are any number of timing and/or RFI means that can be combined to read (and potentially write) any bit anywhere on the chip. There is no such thing as electronic security without physical security first.

    3. Re:It's called JTAG baby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's nice. Try and get a consulting contract with the DoD. When they tell you that they need absolute certainty that any data stored on a device will be secure, in the event of capture and physical access by the enemy, insist that it simply can't be done.

      They'll drop you and find a hardware manufacturer who will promise them that, over your cries of "impossibruh! they can't deliver!"

  40. oh! by dogganos · · Score: 1

    who would have thought!

  41. Why is this a surprise? by cowtamer · · Score: 1

    I don't know if this specific backdoor is real, but would you be horribly surprised if you found out that your router, etc. had chips in it that could be remotely disabled with the right information fed to the device (e.g., repeated processing of a certain string of bytes in an incoming packet)?

    Of course, this stunt could only be pulled off once, and may not work in every device. But it's not inconceivable for a military-industrial power to figure out how certain common chips are used in certain devices, figure out what the chips "see" during regular operation with certain inputs given to the device, and design an "enhancement" for this common chip that will cause it to behave differently when a certain type of signal is received.

    Since they have control over their supply chain, it's not inconceivable that they might build this functionality into the chips and flood the market with them. They would have to keep doing this for years. We will be none the wiser until they invoke the capability during a true emergency scenario, when we find that a good percentage of our devices stop functioning for no apparent reason.

    I don't know if certain people are really thinking this far ahead, but if they are there is little we can do about it -- except maybe to build custom hardware and hope for the best. Even if hardware were "open source" it's not trivial to open up chips and see what's really inside.

    I'm sure the people building the truly mission critical stuff have thought about this and are fabricating their own ICs...

  42. Required by law for the FBI, CIA, DoD and WH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The chip is "FBI" ready!

    Duh ! The FBI got just what they demanded/payed for. xD

    Spy vs Spy all in the USA.

    Barak should shout "Intercepted!" and take a tok on the bong.

    LoL xD

  43. Missing the bigger picture by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    If they can backdoor this FPGA then they can backdoor the JTAG programmer and the BIOS chip inside the computer running it. The PC receives a command through its compromised ethernet controller which then sends appended code to the JTAG programmer.

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  44. Made in China doesn't mean designed in China. by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 0

    Just because the chips in question were fabricated in China does not mean the Chinese put a backdoor into the chips. One should look to actually designed the chip to determine who is behind this.

  45. I never did trust ... by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... those 555s.

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  46. None of this would be a problem... if by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    We made our own chips. And the only reason we don't make our own chips is because people keep dicking around with the semiconductor companies when they want electricity and some regulation clarity about what they can and can't do.

    That's why they left to asia. Think the price of labor matters at all in a semi conductor fab? Oh sure... it always matters but not so much that you'd leave the country. They're not paying people 2 dollars an hour in those fabs anywhere. You don a clean room suit and you're unlikely to be paid slave wages.

    Government doesn't need to give these companies huge loans. Just a reasonable price for power and some protection from the insane enviros that would likely take issue with some aspect of the process to try and shut it all down.

    It's officially a national security issue.

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    1. Re:None of this would be a problem... if by PeterM+from+Berkeley · · Score: 1

      You sure? What if an engineer in a US company was bribed to do it by the Chinese? (or otherwise suborned).

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    2. Re:None of this would be a problem... if by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      Radically less likely. How many cases in history can you point to where critical flaws were introduced into weapons systems by that means.

      You might get them to leak information for a fee but introduce a weakness? Unlikely especially since you'd probably have to bribe dozens of people and of course none of them without exception could blow the whistle. If so much as one of them sends a message up the chain the whole scheme is exposed.

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  47. Not in spite of - more like because by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Even though this story has been blowing-up on Twitter, there are a few caveats

    Even though? Really? Because normally Twitter is the most trustworthy news source?

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  48. Where was it designed in? by vlm · · Score: 2

    Where was this undocumented feature/bug designed in? I see plenty of "I hate China" posts, it would be quite hilarious if the fedgov talked the US mfgr into adding this backdoor, then the Chinese built it as designed. Perhaps the plan all along was to blame the Chinese if they're caught.

    These are not military chips. They are FPGAs that happen to be used occasionally for military apps. Most of them are sold for other, more commercially exploitable purposes.

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  49. why bother fix it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the CHICOMs are going to win anyway - they're Bill Clinton's best friends!

  50. Re:Crypto Gear by Phrogman · · Score: 1

    Up here in Canada we used crypto gear we got from the US, but that was for a very practical reason: we had to be compatible with US military communications if we were in the field. As far as I know the equipment we used was identical to that being used by the US military at the time. I have no doubt they had more secure gear they only used internally, but its not like the stuff we used was substandard AFAIK.
    I was a Communications Specialist in the Canadian Army and trained to use this gear.

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  51. It Is a Story! by PPH · · Score: 1

    If its in the Weekly World News* and it has an exclamation mark!

    * Or Slashdot, lately!

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  52. Big risk is to "secret sauce" for comms & cryp by time961 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a physical-access backdoor. You have to have your hands on the hardware to be able to use JTAG. It's not a "remote kill switch" driven by a magic data trigger, it's a mechanism that requires use of a special connector on the circuit board to connect to a dedicated JTAG port that is simply neither used nor accessible in anything resembling normal operation.

    That said, it's still pretty bad, because hardware does occasionally end up in the hands of unfriendlies (e.g., crashed drones). FPGAs like these are often used to run classified software radio algorithms with anti-jam and anti-interception goals, or to run classified cryptographic algorithms. If those algorithms can be extracted from otherwise-dead and disassembled equipment, that would be bad--the manufacturer's claim that the FPGA bitstream can't be extracted might be part of the system's security certification assumptions. If that claim is false, and no other counter-measures are place, that could be pretty bad.

    Surreptitiously modifying a system in place through the JTAG port is possible, but less of a threat: the adversary would have to get access to the system and then return it without anyone noticing. Also, a backdoor inserted that way would have to co-exist peacefully with all the other functions of the FPGA, a significant challenge both from an intellectual standpoint and from a size/timing standpoint--the FPGA may just not have enough spare capacity or spare cycles. They tend to be packed pretty full, 'coz they're expensive and you want to use all the capacity you have available to do clever stuff.

  53. Build our own secure chips? by time961 · · Score: 1

    Actually, the U.S. does have a DoD-funded secure fabrication capability: see the Trusted Foundry program.

  54. outsourcing for the win hahahah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    outsourcing for the win hahahah

  55. Is this the obvious consequence of outsourcing by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 2

    Is this the most obvious consequence to outsourcing or what ? When you take seriously the notion that all that matters is the profitability of your largest campaign contributors, is not the inevitable result that Reality will teach you just how wrong you were?

    For years some of us have been saying just this is exactly inevitable and before us, the previous generation were saying the same thing. All we got back was BS from the likes of Dan Griswold and the CATO Institute about what Luddites we were.

    We don't make critical parts to our own weapon systems. We outsource to our most likely long term opponent. Why do we do that? So large campaign contributors can make obscene profits by advantaging themselves of cheap (but getting less cheap) labor.

    Does this change anyone's mind about campaign finance reform? Is money still a form of speech? Anyone in Congress care to review Citizens United v FEC? Or do we have to wait until it's just too late?

    1. Re:Is this the obvious consequence of outsourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, the most obvious consequence of outsourcing is lower employment, depressed wages, attacks on unions and labor in general, a shrinking middle class, the cost of basic necessities eating into what's left of disposable income. This is just a secondary symptom.

      Then in this race to the bottom come the corporate apologists trying to blame the victims of these failed economic policies that have never, ever worked anywhere, plus increasingly shrill calls to "lower regulations", which is code talk for allowing corporations to internalize profits and externalize costs.

      This was entirely predictable and was in fact predicted by a great many people, but the well funded conservative noise machine conned too many into voting against their own economic self interests.

    2. Re:Is this the obvious consequence of outsourcing by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

      Oh okay you're right.

  56. Write that on the tombstones of FREE TRADERS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The operative word is TRADER.

  57. we "insane enviros" are not insane by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    What is "insane" is allowing corporations to get away with extreme externalization of their costs. If responsible production costs more then the products will cost more and something must be done to prevent irresponsible production from gaining an advantage; otherwise, it is a race to the depths of human depravity. The concepts involved here are rather elementary but somehow people turn off their brains or something is hindering their mental development.

    On the extremes, some people still don't care. If my neighbor's SUV ran on people (soylent green) from other cultures he would not change...
    Now most people rather not think (or just not think) about the harm they indirectly cause when it is a few steps removed; there are plenty of studies showing the more indirect you get the further people will do horrible things even when they KNOW they are doing it.

    The tariff was the weapon of choice before we unilaterally disarmed ourselves. Welcome to the race to the bottom.

    PS: robotics will eventually win at the bottom as they replace economic slaves for their lower cost and higher performance. Productivity will rise, job demand will fall, people will work harder and harder in a futile effort to compensate their relatively decreasing cost/benefit ratio. Meanwhile, the Japanese seem determined to replace women with machines ;-)

    1. Re:we "insane enviros" are not insane by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      The point is reversible.

      Lets say you get what you want and the result is that your economy dies and your people start starving to death. Would you compromise or die?

      Clearly you would compromise at some point sacrificing the interests of the environment to satisfy yourself. That or you'd die and those that survived would have different values because they would have been the ones that chose to live.

      Further, you say people are distanced from the realities of the world. Why is it those that live in urban cities that seem most prone to talk to those living in rural areas about the destruction of the environment? Why is it that you're more prone to run into vegetarians in a New York condo then on a Kentucky farm?

      There is a great deal of separation... how much of your own excrement have you shoveled in your life? Ever dug a latrine? How many animals have you killed with your own two hands to eat? What portion of the energy you burn every day just existing did you provide?

      These things are taken for granted it seems more by those that have no respect for the means by which they are produced. It isn't easy. It isn't free. And the process is not helped by whiny urban yuppies pining for utopian solutions that don't actually exist.

      If this offends you, I apologize... that is not my intention. My intention is to be understood.

      Do corporations externalize environmental costs sometimes? Yes. Are there solutions to that problem besides destroying the company? Yes. The problem with environmentalists today is that they offer few constructive solutions to anything. They merely try to shut things down, bury everyone in red tape, and generally make a mess of otherwise efficient and healthy institutions. Am I claiming perfection at any level? Perfection doesn't exist in this world. By all means help people do things better. But the instant your goal becomes shutting everything down you are an enemy of the modern world and should be treated as such.

      Billions would starve to death were we to regress. Who will choose those that live and those that die? Why is it that the environmentalists always think they'll be amongst the chosen few if there are famines or mandatory population reductions?

      Careful how sharp you grind that axe... it might just be for you.

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    2. Re:we "insane enviros" are not insane by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      Not so fast. You act like the corporate gods are touchy or weak. Adding more overhead costs will not anger them into suicide over raising their prices or even having less profit. Corporations are designed and purposed to maximize profit and that makes cost externalization a major part of doing business, especially when other options have run out and continual profit growth is required. Eventually, any business forced against the wall will start extreme externalization to continue profit growth. Being profitable is not enough! The derivative and even the 2nd derivative are what matters so much today. Perfect example is the newspapers who were gutted and ruined over a steady 30% profit that was not growing; they gutted themselves for temporary growth (their profit would have gone down but it was the greed panic that made it worse.)

      If there is demand, somebody will be there to supply it. There are numerous examples around the world and even in US history proving the higher costs in products and services do not instantly destroy the whole economy. I'm sick of people preaching the gospel of Mammon and world trade. Not everything needs to be in a global marketplace and ESPECIALLY one that makes everything over simplistically equal. Race to the bottom is what we are feeling in the USA and since we are at the top we are going to get hit the most - you can't educate your way out of it as has been the propaganda for the last few decades. We've only begun to decline; more is coming.

      If environmentalists get what we want the economy does not die. You misunderstand my posting. You are likely falling for the propaganda; evidence of this is your whole characterization of your perceived enemy. I do not know any environmental "nut" who wants to destroy the economy (well, some want change it in a big way. Utopia is always a deadly mirage.) We lived just fine without a lot of these modern things not that long ago. Plastic for example is great stuff but it is not that old and making it responsible does not cost that much. Banning plastic bags causes some to preach the same BS you are-- but not that long ago stores used paper bags, many still do. It will not break anybody to ban plastic bags but alarmists are out there preventing it. Part of it is how the human brain views things relatively, it is viewed as a great extra expense to the business because plastic is so cheap and is now the norm; but previously, it was no big deal to give away free paper bags. It is still no big deal; its only in their minds. This applies to many other things, even ones where there are more complex real problems involved. Making things "green" does not destroy the economy. I was a small biz guy, I know some - the mentality is always alarmist and extremely defensive if not paranoid - and given how foreigners are exempt the fears are not unfounded.

      Rural welfare queens are propped up by us urban dwellers (that is the reality;) plus we have plenty of wannabee rural folk in the suburbs... Americans are spoiled brats. You spend far less for your food than most the planet and are addicted to consuming so naturally you freak out when you can't get the same "high" as you could before. Many addicts will harm others to feed their addiction. Remove cheap Chinese products and you'll buy less shit but what you do buy will go into your own economy and be regulated by your people. We used to do just fine without China, within my lifetime... we were better off back then (except the 1%.) Spend more on healthy food and you'll not be so fat... but you'll have less money to waste too... just like the past... It is funny how many such arguments can pull from the past history of good times without today's problems that you'd think a true 'conservative' would be defending a return to past practices?

      I pay to have better produced food. I also pay for better hardware and safer products. I do not need to make my own computer chips, render the meat, or forge steel. I buy local. Nobody can do everything all on their own without chucking ou

    3. Re:we "insane enviros" are not insane by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      First, the corporations are not gods.
      Second, I didn't say they were weak. I said they have a bottom line. Think about the economy like an ecosystem if that helps you. Ecosystems can be quiet robust. One would think that they were invulnerable. These great natural forces... the size and scope of it all. But we both know that these systems have finite limits. Damage them too much or impose too much upon them and you cripple the ecosystem. Take out keystone species and whole tiers of the ecosystem collapse. Economies are similar. They have limits. The bottom line is not an arbitrary figure you can toy with. Cross that line and the system starts to starve. Just as an ecosystem if it is denied resources or energy will starve. Poison the system and you'll kill off weaker members. And while those elements might have been weak just like in an ecosystem often the weaker members are vital to keep the whole system healthy. Small businesses for example are often weaker then big businesses and are completely vital to long term survival.

      As to adding more overhead not causing a problem. It is already causing a huge problem.

      As to cost externeralization being important, of course it is... so what? I have no problem with corporations paying what they owe. Simply keep that reasonable and NEVER EVER EVER make it an adversarial relationship. You are not there to ruin them. You are there to keep a hopefully long term relationship healthy.

      As to demand, that depends on whether it is blocked and that depends on who supplies it. If you shut down all domestic supplies because everyone that plays by your rules dies. Then all domestic demand will have to be met by foreign supply. And at what point do we have nothing to offer in return?

      If you don't take the health of the domestic business ecosystem seriously you'll so cripple that you'll destroy the wealth of the society.

      Further a point that environmentalists really seem to have a hard time grasping is that environmentalism is a LUXURY policy. Poor countries have no environmental policy. In poor countries they not only don't protect endangered species... they eat them. If the choice is between saving a rare and beautiful creature or having your child go hungry. You feed your child.

      The only hope of environmentalism is for the economy we be wealthy enough to fund it. Impoverish the society and you'll find that what funding you have for environmentalism evaporates.

      As to race to the bottom, no. Merely an understanding of what the bottom line is at this time.

      As to a continuing decline, we grew when we followed my policies which you hold in contempt. We have only begun to really fall under your policy. The greatest economic growth in the US has always come during times of low regulation and high export trade. This is a fact.

      As to what environmentalists what. They want to eat their cake and have it too. I don't really care what they want since their desire are often quiet naive.

      As to who or what is the enemy, we didn't make this adversarial or politicize it. We went out of our way in fact to try and keep politics out of it. It was the environmental movement that politicized. The founder of Green Peace left the organization for that reason... he said something along the lines that it was taken over by politicos.

      If you want to claim otherwise that isn't productive. I don't hate you and I don't want to fight you. Don't mistake that as a sign of weakness. I'm perfectly happy to fight you and rip your throat out. I simply would rather not. Grasp that there are compromises we can come to that are reasonable and mutually beneficial. Industry can benefit from help from activists to improve services and standards. And of course, there are bad actors in industry just as all communities have bad actors. It is to everyone's benefit that the bad elements are addressed. That said, it is going to far to demonize the whole industry simply because of the excesses of a single individual. Often a large corporation will be demonized because one

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  58. You guys have been doing this for years by compucomp2 · · Score: 2

    So when you guys bug Boeing jets and backdoor Microsoft Windows, this is all well and good, but there might be a backdoor in a Chinese made chip, and it's pitchforks and torches?

    As usual the Western hypocrisy reveals itself again. But of course, just like in a sports match, your team has never committed a foul, while everything the other team does is a foul?

    1. Re:You guys have been doing this for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not our fault you guys are too stupid to make your own gear!

    2. Re:You guys have been doing this for years by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

      Oh come on; when you kill my brother in a war, that's terrible. I'm losing. When I kill your brother in a war, that's great. I'm winning. You can hardly blame people for feeling that way since the alternative has often been invasion, defeat, torture and death. At that level almost everyone is a hypocrite.

      Normally potential enemies trade on an extremely limited and careful basis. Any breach of trust is extremely carefully searched for and then publicised. For example, the French allowing Margaret Thatcher to disable Exocet missiles was a very big story.

      The big news here is that the American rich, the "1%", have deliberately handed over their manufacturing to a country which has been their explicit enemy for years in order to defeat the power of US working people. Instead of putting them to death, the Americans continue to elect their placemen year after year. This is at the same time as American politicians continue, year after year to claim that China is their big enemy. If you want the real hypocrisy you may find some there. However, even here, I think you will find that one person claim's China is the enemy whilst another person says the US should trade with them. That's not hypocrisy just a difference of opinion.

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    3. Re:You guys have been doing this for years by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

      Great post. Great rebuttal.

  59. Brief description of what this crack entails by ChumpusRex2003 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FPGAs commonly protect user-code with encryption. An encryption engine is included in the silicon to which the user has limited access to crypto=keys with which to encrypt the code that is installed in ROM/Flash.

    A number of attacks are known against microcontrollers/FPGAs that secure code with encryption - notably differential power analysis (DPA) which works by connecting a current probe to the chip, and collecting measurememnts of energy consumption as the device performs an authentication operation. By carefully, measuring power traces over thousands of authentication operations, statistical analysis can reveal clues about the internal secret keys; potentially allowing recovery of the key within useful periods of times (minutes to hours).

    These secure FPGAs contain a heavily obfuscated hardware crypto-engine, with lots of techniques to obstruct DPA (deliberately unstable clocks, heavy on-chip RC power filtering, random delay stages in the pipeline, multiple "dummy" circuits so that an operation which would normally require fewer transistors than an alternative, has its transistor count increased, etc.). The idea being that these countermeasures reduce the DPA signal and increase the amount of noise, making recovery of useful statistics impractical. In their papers, this group admit that the PA3 FPGAs are completely impervious to DPA, with no statistical clues obtained even after weeks of testing.

    This group have developed a new technique which they call PEA which is a much more sensitive technique. It involves extracting the FPGA die, and mapping the circuits on it - e.g. using high-resolution infra-red thermography during device operation to identify "interesting" parts of the die by heat production under certain tasks - e.g. caches, crypto pipelines, etc. Having identified interesting areas of the die, an infra-red microscope with photon counter is focused on the relevant circuit area. As it happens, transistors glow when switched, emitting approx 0.001 photons per switching operation. The signal from the photon counter is therefore analogous to the DPA signal, but with a much, much stronger signal-to-noise ratio, allowing statistical analysis with far fewer tries. The group claim the ability to extract the keys from such a secure FPGA in a few minutes of probing with authentication requests.

    The researchers claim to have found the backdoor, by fuzzing the debug/programming interface, and finding an undocumented command that appeared to trigger a cryptographic authentication. By using their PEA technique against this command, they were able to extract the authentication key, and were able to open the backdoor, finding they were able to directly manipulate protected parameters of the chip.

    1. Re:Brief description of what this crack entails by JGuru42 · · Score: 1

      I gave up my mod points on this article to put this +1 Informative in this response. It's too bad I couldn't push it up to 6 instead.

      When this research gets verified I'm very curious to see what other surprises are found using this new technique.

  60. Physical access isn't so hard by Coop · · Score: 1

    In time of peace, war goods go missing at all stages of the development process -- design, prototyping, demos and trade shows, manufacturing, delivery, storage and use by the armed services and our supposed allies. In time of war, it's left behind on the battlefield, shot over the enemy's borders, sunk into the deep blue sea. The military does it's best to control access but only 100% will do, and that's impossible. So backdoors are a bad thing.

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  61. US government made a law to *require* backdoor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  62. To quote that military luminary, Gomer Pyle... by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 2

    Well, surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

    Of course, it's all about defense industry profits, not actual defense. As long as defense contractors are allowed to outsource components, or must purchase offshore components, this is going to happen, and with increasing frequency. The Chinese are not stupid and can spot an obvious attack vector. Even if they have no immediate plans to use these backdoors, they'd be foolish NOT to put them in. And since the government and industry are so intertwined in China, you have a near guarantee that this strategy will be used.

    Not that this is a secret to the US military. It's just that nobody with decision making power in the USA actually gives a crap about the USA anymore. If you're wealthy enough, you can live anywhere. If a war breaks out, you can bet all the rich lobbyists, ex-military brass, subcontractors and subcontractors will rapidly relocate somewhere safe, leaving the poor and the stupid on both sides to slaughter each other.

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  63. The "unamed chip" is not secret after all... by prxp · · Score: 1

    You have to digg up yourself if you want sources, but apparently the chip is Actel ProASIC3.

  64. The goggles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They do nothing!

  65. If True, Send Traitors Who Let Them To Guantanamo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now or tomorrow may be TOO LATE!!!

  66. Dr. Gaius Balthar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was the chip designed by Dr. Gaius Balthar?

  67. Re:Big risk is to "secret sauce" for comms & c by Fnord666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a physical-access backdoor. You have to have your hands on the hardware to be able to use JTAG. It's not a "remote kill switch" driven by a magic data trigger, it's a mechanism that requires use of a special connector on the circuit board to connect to a dedicated JTAG port that is simply neither used nor accessible in anything resembling normal operation.

    Surreptitiously modifying a system in place through the JTAG port is possible, but less of a threat: the adversary would have to get access to the system and then return it without anyone noticing.

    As someone else mentioned in another post, physical access can be a bit of a misnomer. Technically all that is required is for a computer to be connected via the JTAG interface in order to exploit this. This might be a diagnostic computer for example. If that diagnostic computer were to be infected with a targeted payload, there is your physical access.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  69. Back door chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, you're saying what's good for the goose is not so good for the gander. Why should the USA (FBI) have back door access to all of our facebook, twitter posts, while others should not have access to their private wares. The country,itself, is just one huge contradiction.

  70. Toilets from gold, chips from China? by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    That's how they chose to economize?

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  71. It's a scam !! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://erratasec.blogspot.com/2012/05/bogus-story-no-chinese-backdoor-in.html

    Bogus story: no Chinese backdoor in military chip

     

    "Today's big news is that researchers have found proof of Chinese manufacturers putting backdoors in American chips that the military uses. This is false. While they did find a backdoor in a popular FPGA chip, there is no evidence the Chinese put it there, or even that it was intentionally malicious.

    Furthermore, the Actel ProAsic3 FPGA chip isn't fabricated in China at all !!

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    1. Re:It's a scam !! by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      I came here to say "Ok, so they discovered the JTAG port." Seems that blog was already on it.

      Now, the researchers claim demonstrate that, via the JTAG port, they can subvert one form of Actel's AES security (but not all--see below) on someone's design to allow reverse-engineering a circuit design loaded into the FPGA. That's fairly interesting. I know that there's a fair bit of business in claiming an FPGA is invulnerable to such snooping, so that vendor A can ship a prototype design to customer B without worrying that customer B might rip off vendor A's design. For example, vendor A might ship an FPGA-based version of a chip they're designing to customer B, so they can design/debug their system while vendor A finishes the design, so both A and B can ramp their products more closely together.

      Here's Actel's pitch on design security. The hack claims to expose the AES key for at least one of their encrypted modes, which implies that that particuler security feature is busted, and the guarantees against counterfeiting, reverse engineering and overbuilding it provides are also busted. According to the (occasionally somewhat breathless) claims in this draft paper, that is indeed what they've accomplished. Even then, they didn't break everything:

      There are several security protection levels in the PA3 devices according to the manufacturer's datasheet [14]. The Passkey offers the highest level of reversible protection mechanism. Various DPA techniques were attempted to extract the Passkey, however, we were unable to get even a single bit in two weeks time using our off-the-shelf DPA equipment (oscilloscope with differential probe and PC with MatLab). The Passkey hardware security had robust countermeasures that proved to be DPA resistant. In addition to the unstable internal clock and high noise from other parts of the circuit, the Passkey access verification had its side-channel leakage reduced by a factor of 100. Only noise can be observed in the power traces without any characteristic peaks in the frequency domain. This was likely to be achieved through using a well compensated silicon design together with ultra-low-power transistors instead of standard CMOS library components. In addition, the useful leakage signal has a spread spectrum with no characteristic peaks in frequency domain, thus making narrow band filtering useless.

      It'll be interesting to see how Actel responds.

      As for "ZOMG, the Chinese can infect all our nukes! RUN!" that seems unlikely. To perform this analysis, you need to be able to isolate the FPGA and its bitstream in a circuit where you can observe all the pieces functioning together. This is trivial in the "vendor A / customer B" scenario above. It's not so easy to do without a specimen of the system you're trying to hack, though.

    2. Re:It's a scam !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost every cpu chip manufacturer has a backdoor into his chip. Instruction sets are tested as much as they can using automated means, but the number of tests cannot be near infinite. Some bugs occur, as the one that someone detected with AMD, where two specific instructions back to back caused a processing error and hence a failure in results.

      as no manufacturer is going to accept a million or more chips being returned, the backdooris used to load the failing instruction with new microcode. That patch would be sent to MS, and to all operating system vendors as a boot patch. Most often the patch is incorporated into the Motherboard bios, other times in the kernel, when the faulty cpu is recognized during system boot. We know that MBs are geared to specific processors, so there may be someone who canfirm this last statement.

      The AES instruction was, I read somewhere, fixed in the early generation of certain Intel CPUs. If this statement is wrong, I must have read this somewhere with the wrong pair of glasses.

  72. backoors are sometime just programmer fuckups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And no one remembers the 6805 which could be read out even when protected, it had a simple flaw in its programming/verifying bootcode which meant that the full chip could be dumped in around 30 seconds, and the funny thing is we found the reader last week in a pile of our old programmers/emulators.

    joolz

  73. oh, crap by pbjones · · Score: 1

    a connection used to test chips before shipping? who would have thunk it!

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  74. non sequitur by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

    Sovereign Immunity. You cannot sue the government without their permission, so it's not as easy as "just file in the appropriate court" when you're suing the government itself. Yes, it is that easy for suing anyone else.

    What does that have to do with everything discussed so far? The posts you are replying to is talking about companies (defense contractors and a hypothetical chip manufacturing) suing a 3rd party agent for raising a false alert (which would most likely be dropped trivially). There is no mentioning of the government. Moreover, sovereign immunity, though an existing term, it is not a generic blank statement that the government (be it at the federal, state or local level) can pull out of its ass whenever someone has a grievance - not to mention that it is up to the judge to decide if a sovereign immunity defense (and the suit) has any merits.

  75. All I can think.... by TheCarp · · Score: 1

    "Where did you learn to sabotage chips like that?"
    "I learned it from watching you!"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_pipeline_sabotage

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  76. sudden clarity by juliuszs · · Score: 1

    A good explanation of the FUD is contained in the very name of the "researcher" - Skorobogatov. He really, really wants to be rich, and soon!

  77. Same old... by gx5000 · · Score: 1

    No different than the chips in the bubble jet printers in Iraq that had transponders in them used to guide smart bombs... That's what you get when you buy foreign unfortunately... Time to rethink and bring back manufacturing home, you know, for the Economy, jobs and security's sakes...

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  78. Probably not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What was mostly likely discovered is one of the myriad of built-in test modes that complex ICs have designed in for production testing. JTAG/BIST as most people know it (and most don't at all) only is sufficient for some digital validation. Usually ICs have additional custom test modes specific the particular IC's design. These have been around for a very long time.

    These test modes can be simply testing modes. For example memories often need to be tested for "program/erase disturb" where writing a bit accidentally alters an adjacent memory cell. For this you typically add specific circuitry that gives you access to the memory array cells in ways that is not standard.

    These test modes can also be for "sparing" which allows you to suffer a "fatal manufacturing defect" yet recover the die by sparing out the failed circuitry and replacing it electrically with a "spare" copy. This is routinely used in processors, memory and FPGAs to boost yield.

    That an academic would not have a clue about this is not surprising. Academia know virtually nothing about the real world and especially "icky" parts like manufacturing and business practices. The fact that this came form a country with virtually no semiconductor manufacturing also makes this cluelessness unsurprising. I would not expect much from either UK or US engineering schools in terms of knowing about these routine features of most ICs.

  79. false reasoning by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    There is no requirement for alternative solutions when you are criticizing or even arguing against something.

    Necessity is the mother of invention. Sometimes one must create a need. Stuff happens and people adapt, don't be a wimp.

    Also, if you've been involved in any politics, you'd know that it is a lot like bargaining where you start out at extreme positions expecting to compromise nearer your actual position. Bans are a slow public process.

  80. Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the US if gettting military chips from CHina YES of course they will have hidden Backdoors. Yes even the US military are morons...

  81. They Get What They Deserve by JonathanPDX · · Score: 1

    Well, when the Chinese neutralize all our military hardware, invade, then kill off all of the
    greedy industrialists who decided to have ANYTHING our military uses be made in China,
    then they will have earned their just desserts. Either that, or those citizens left over from
    the invasion will hunt down and take care of the turkeys themselves. After all, what good
    will all their money do them then?

  82. Re:Big risk is to "secret sauce" for comms & c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So a series of equipment with this chip in it needs a "field upgrade". The field technicians, whether contractors or military technicians, are using hardware to hook up to this JTAG port to load new code into the FPGA. Hmm... No vulnerabilities there/what could possibly go wrong.

    Isn't this kind of how Stuxnet was propagated to Iranian centrifuge PLCs?