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White House Announces Initiative To Fight Botnets

benfrog writes "ISPs and financial-services companies would share data about computers made into botnets under a pilot program announced today by the Obama administration. From the article: 'The voluntary principles announced today include coordinating across sectors and confronting the problem globally. They were developed by the Industry Botnet Group, comprising trade groups including the Business Software Alliance and TechAmerica.' The White House is also backing a bill proposed by Joe Lieberman that would put the Department of Homeland Security in charge of cybersecurity of vital systems such as power grids and transportation networks."

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  1. So the BSA is leading the charge by Voyager529 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone want to start taking bets as to when a copy of uTorrent or Transmission will deem you as a part of the botnet?

    1. Re:So the BSA is leading the charge by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, and they'll stop these with drone attacks. Welcome to the age of corporate Stalinism

      The Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel prepared a lengthy memo justifying that extraordinary step, asserting that while the Fifth Amendment's guarantee of due process applied, it could be satisfied by internal deliberations in the executive branch.

      Attorney General Eric Holder then publicly claimed: "'Due process' and 'judicial process' are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security. The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process."

      http://www.salon.com/2012/05/30/how_extremism_is_normalized/singleton/

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    2. Re:So the BSA is leading the charge by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You didn't check very well. The SOPA was introduced by a Republican.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act

    3. Re:So the BSA is leading the charge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then you should check again.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_Protection_Act

      Democratic - yes votes: 42 no votes: 140 did not vote: 8
      Republican - yes votes: 206 no votes: 28 did not vote: 7

      But you missed the point anyways, the Republicans say they oppose jobs bills because it might help poor people but they will support "backdoor" jobs bills like military, prison and law enforcement spending which tends to put neanderthalic white knuckledraggers to work cracking skulls.

    4. Re:So the BSA is leading the charge by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That it was, however when the republicans as a whole (not the singular who introduced it) bailed on it, the democrats continued to push for it. The obama admin has quite a few officials who were prior RIAA or MPAA members. but as I said, dont let the partisanship ruin things for you.

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    5. Re:So the BSA is leading the charge by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      You're the one with the partisanship. I just gave a fact to contradict your prior assertion that this was a Democrat and not Republican trait. It's bipartisan.

      If there's more Democrat weight behind anti-piracy moves, it's probably that Republicans don't tend to be creative people. They're more likely to consume than create.

    6. Re:So the BSA is leading the charge by craigminah · · Score: 2

      You better be careful of you may get accused of racism as that's the standard Democratic come-back.

    7. Re:So the BSA is leading the charge by SlippyToad · · Score: 2

      Hey Holder is the same guy who doesn't have any problems with the New Black Panther Party using voter intimidation at polling places,

      Do you have a link where this occurred? Last I recall the NBP numbered apprxoimately four fucking people.

      In the meantime, Rick Scott has thrown thousands of minority Florida voters off the rolls because they have a funny-sounding name. And Teabag state after Teabag state is adopting unconstitutional poll taxes (disguised as Voter ID laws).

      If you're gonna start bitching about election fraud with an R next to your name, bring a flame suit, bitch. You will have a lot of fucking explaining to do.

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  2. DHS in charge of cybersecurity?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I feel safer already.

    1. Re:DHS in charge of cybersecurity?? by ae1294 · · Score: 2

      If by chance they also offer help with remedial spelling then you may profit from such a program!

      No the government doesn't help with that sort of education.

    2. Re:DHS in charge of cybersecurity?? by mcohrs · · Score: 2

      Might as well put Homer Simpson in charge, same result, less expensive

  3. Uh Oh, define "Botnet" by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I try not to be paranoid, but when I see the BSA and the department of Homeland Security are joining forces, I can't help but have a feeling of dread...

    It really makes me wonder just what constitutes a botnet. After all, large numbers of computers contributing to torrent downloads are a form of bonnet also.

    If this doesn't make you think the government has too much money and free time, nothing will.

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  4. I know where this is going..... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bittorrent = Terrorism.

    I guarantee the BSA scumbags are already pushing this point.

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    1. Re:I know where this is going..... by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bittorrent = Terrorism.

      I guarantee the BSA scumbags are already pushing this point.

      Do not forget Bitorrent == Pro Child Predator

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  5. bullshit by znrt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    if botnets were the issue they'd ban windows and bam! all botnets down.

    but botnets aren't the issue. illusion of control is.

    1. Re:bullshit by countach74 · · Score: 2

      the only real solution is education. but that's gonna be a hell of an effort and i don't see how the white house, the department of homeland security, the house of representatives, joe lieberman or a bunch of crap selling fluff spraying corporations could be of any help at that, not to mention they could very well be part of the problem!

      No, the answer is not education. I don't care how much education you throw at a head of lettuce, it's still a head of lettuce and it's still about as stupid as the average American. Intelligence is a choice. We don't need to educate the masses; we need to encourage the masses to educate themselves, which is a far more difficult task. Oh, and I'm rather convinced that there's no government program or agency that could possibly accomplish this--in fact, they probably see to it that it maintain status quo.

  6. BRUCE SCHNEIER and EUGENE KASPERSKY announces... by gavron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It makes sense for "Homeland Security" to secure power grids, and critical infrastructure.
    They know nothing of computer security, botnets, or doing much more than confiscation.
    The BSA knows even less.

    I would be excited to see a team of REAL security experts (Schneier and Kasperksky)
    working together with the folks at http://garwarner.blogspot.com/ to eliminate the real threats.
    Grandmothers, breastfeeding mothers, little girls with insulin pumps, and people who copy
    Windows 98 are _NOT_ the real threat.

    Ehud

  7. How big does my tinfoil hat need to be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    to think that this is a not very subtle attempt to give the government an excuse to build a Great Firewall of America?

  8. war on botnets by fish+waffle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great. I'm sure this will be every bit as successful as the war on poverty, war on drugs, war on terrorism. How are those doing anyway?

    1. Re:war on botnets by runeghost · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're doing great at giving the government more power, the corporations more money, and the citizenry more oppression.

    2. Re:war on botnets by troll+-1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Next will be the War on Violence.

  9. Anything Leiberman likes... by doston · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is total garbage. He's one of the worst people in the world...total scumbag.

    1. Re:Anything Leiberman likes... by doston · · Score: 2

      Maybe so but he's one of the better Democrats out there :)

      Anybody still thinking in Republican or Democrat terms is a sucker. One party, two factions. Their rivalry is complete theater.

  10. Botnets exist due to the BSA & propritary soft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is humorous that the BSA is taking charge of solving a problem that is essentially created by its members (and not able to solve it). The BSA is all about fighting for proprietary software. They ensure third parties (like antivirus companies) can't fix the code which lets botnets propagate and they ensure we don't have an Debian-like/apt-get like solution to software maintenance, distribution, and trust models.

    This BSA lead solution is bound to fail.

    The only thing I can conceive of working well to reduce or eliminate botnets is to free the software, implement official security standards all software need comply with, and fix the distribution problem. We would need to properly fund free software platforms and ecosystems. The move to free software with carefully scrutinised (think Debian) channels of trust exist and the software is available for third party review. These software repositories should require certain minimum security standards too. For the most part it's already being done as such with Debian although without any such standards (apart from trust in relation to distribution). They need to eliminate all but essential features of applications which execute scripts.

    - applications should not generally implement support for unnecessary scripting features, embedded objects, etc

    1. Web browsers should not have flash, PDF readers, java applets, GPU accelerated 'gaming' features, or silverlight.
    2. PDF software should not support scripting or embedded objects (like flash).
    3. Office software should not support macros; there is a business case although that needs restrictions and should not generally be in consumer office applications. Even within the business situation there needs to be restrictions on the businesses users ability to install such macros without technical advise.
    4. E-mail clients and similar should not support scripting or even html except for a minimal subset of features.
    5. Instant messaging software should also not implement scripting and limit any HTML to a subset of the standard.
    6. Applications should not install third party plug-ins to web browsers or similar.

  11. Don't we already have this? by Gary+Perkins · · Score: 2

    If I'm not mistaken, don't we already have at least one or two government agencies involved in information security? Why do we need to have more?

  12. Re:Botnets exist due to the BSA & propritary s by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

    so...why dont you make all these pieces of software you believe should be made "your way"? I dont disagree with your wishlist,but dont just complain about it be about it

    So nobody has a right to criticize anything that they don't personally have the skills to do themselves?

    If you're dissatisfied with the airlines, don't bother with criticism, start your own. Train is late? Don't bitch. Start your own railroad. Your doctor commit malpractice or just does a crappy job? Don't whine, go to medical school and treat yourself. Your lawyer falls asleep in court and fails to properly represent you? Don't file a complaint with the Bar, get a law degree and represent yourself.

    See how silly and arrogant that attitude is now?

    Strat

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  13. The US Government Uses Botnets by CodeBuster · · Score: 2

    Does it strike anyone else as ironic that on the one hand the United States is rushing to develop what it calls "cyber weapons" (side note: why must everything be prefixed with cyber anyway, especially when it has nothing to do with man machine integration?), which would include autonomous programs communicating amongst themselves and coordinating activities via a command / control channel (i.e. a "botnet"), while at the same time announcing an initiative to "fight" the very programs that they are also creating? Why must everything be couched in language suggesting a "war on whatever"? Why not simply say, "we will respond in kind to those who attack us using these weapons", acknowledging the obvious fact that such weapons are inevitable, and leave it at that.