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Worst Companies At Protecting User Privacy: Skype, Verizon, Yahoo

First time accepted submitter SmartAboutThings writes "Apple and Microsoft are one of the worst companies at protecting our privacy, according to EFF's privacy report. Dropbox, Twitter and Sonic have some of the best scores." "Sonic" is California ISP Sonic.net, which tops the field with the EFF's only 4-star rating. Of ISPs with national presence, ATT and Comcast come in with a single star apiece, and Verizon gets a goose egg.

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  1. Good to know... by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nice to know that among the 1 ISP option you have, they have a 0-star rating in keeping information private. I'm not sure what anyone is supposed to do with this information.

    1. Re:Good to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sonic is like the Linux of ISPs. First of all, they run Linux for everything. They refuse to institute a bandwidth cap. They still offer Usenet feeds. Their bonded ASDL service is kick ass (the modems, however, leave something to be desired). It's cheap to buy a dedicated IP address (in fact, I think it's free, now), and you can even setup reverse DNS on your account management page! Basically, best ISP ever.

      And now they're in race with AT&T to install fiber in San Francisco.

    2. Re:Good to know... by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      Bug their politicians to do something about the monopoly. Obviously they won't fix the problem immediately, and if we're not careful, they'll make it worse, but the voters and consumers are largely apathetic about it now, and things are going from bad to worse. After all, the telecos aren't apathetic, and they have plenty of lobbyists and money. More public attention on the issue doesn't seem like it could make the situation any worse.

  2. Apple and Microsoft are one of the worst companies by bunratty · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apple and Microsoft are one company now? What will they call it? Applesoft? Microple?

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  3. Gads! Where's your grammar checker? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First time accepted submitter SmartAboutThings writes

    "Apple and Microsoft are one of the worst companies at protecting our privacy, according to EFF's privacy report. Dropbox, Twitter and Sonic have some of the best scores."

    "Sonic" is California ISP Sonic.net, which tops the field with the EFF's only 4-star rating. Of ISPs with national presence, ATT and Comcast come in with a single star apiece, and Verizon gets a goose egg.

    All shilling for Sonic aside, I'm pretty sure Apple and Microsoft are two companies.

  4. Freenet and private "Twitter" - Sone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyway, for real privacy we should become holders of the data.

    Freenet is quite cool with privacy&anonimity (slow and high latency, but most private solution I know).

    And Sone plugin offers anonymous "twitter" that can not be censored not tracked because
    everyone holds the data [parts] mirrored on their p2p nodes,
    and only YOU the publisher have the PRIVATE KEYs to your identity, same as with ssh or gpg
    no one can confiscate that (especially when they can't find you - therefore the anonymity part,
    problem, police-state?)

    freenetproject.org and you see Sone plugin after installation on 1st page.
    Beware - reduce storage size or use SSD or separated hard-drive to not experience slow-down of computer.

  5. Re:Apple and Microsoft are one of the worst compan by Udo+Schmitz · · Score: 2

    Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

  6. I call B.S. on this report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The EFF is grading companies based on the following criteria (quoted verbatim):

    1) Tell users about data demands: a public commitment to inform users when their data is sought by the government.
    2) Be transparent about government requests: transparency about when and how often companies hand data to the government.
    3) Fight for users’ privacy rights in the courts
    4) Fight for users’ privacy in Congress

    Criteria #1 and #2 might be important, but more for people who live at the edge of the law or might be suspected (possibly wrongly) of ties to terrorist groups than to the average citizen.

    Criteria #3 and #4 are peripherally important to citizens but are tactically important to the EFF.

    When I think about user privacy on the Internet, I think of the aggregation and analysis of data on each person (anonymously, or identified by name) based on tracking cookies, social networking and forum posts, location and call data, online and credit card purchase history, and other information obtained via Internet search. The four categories the EFF is analyzing would be far down on the list.

    1. Re:I call B.S. on this report by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Criteria #1 and #2 are important to everyone because of the very thing you mentioned in the statement. People wrongly suspected of ties to terrorist groups or what the US government considers terrorist groups. I for one am appalled that the government can keep a blanket request for data secret (without a warrant... thanks PATRIOT Act!) and not only that, keep what you're being investigated of secret... They can demand your papers and documents but not tell you why? How is that not a violation of the Constitution? This isn't a Democrat/Republican problem... this is a GOVERNMENT problem. Our problem is the morons want the government to coddle them and keep them from going hungry on one end, yet turn a blind eye when the government invades their privacy and tells them what they can and cannot drink or eat.. (Bloomberg... you cheese-eating fuck-monkey, I'm looking at you.) And god forbid you criticize the government or president. You're a dirty terrorist if you think the government sucks. Yeah, right. Call me a terrorist then, you cocksucking asshats.

      I'm getting increasingly frustrated with the entire process. Fuck 'em.

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    2. Re:I call B.S. on this report by Relayman · · Score: 2

      You don't get it. If you are a terrorist, you forfeit your Constitutional rights. Just don't be a terrorist (or download a motion picture as it's being released in theaters) and you'll be good.

      First, they came for the terrorists, but I wasn't a terrorist, so I didn't say anything. Next, they came for the pirates, but I wasn't a pirate, so I didn't say anything...

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  7. This is solely about governmental privacy by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The EFF did nothing at all to consider privacy in general, and in particular with regards to businesses and other private entities. The chart is only about how the companies are interacting with governmental bodies (e.g. Congress, law enforcement). Facebook is widely regarded as being horrible when it comes to privacy, but it's because they keep abusing their access to everyone's information by sharing it with third-parties, using it to follow them around the Internet, and failing to follow the settings the user has indicated.

    Even companies that have been more benign have problems. Dropbox, for instance, had a notable bug earlier this year or late last where anyone could access anyone else's account. Their employees also have access to everyone's data and can read it at any time unless you encrypt it yourself. Where is the consideration for those sorts of factors?

    I'm far more concerned with companies sharing my information for profit than I am with companies sharing my information with the government. You can support privacy laws in Washington all you want, but when the rubber hits the road if you're selling me out for a quick buck, I don't want to be providing you with my information.

    1. Re:This is solely about governmental privacy by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not to mention that Dropbox are quick to give full access to your Dropbox to any third party app developer who sets "full access" in their dev token - you can't override that when you install said app.

    2. Re:This is solely about governmental privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Google doesn't share any of your information with advertisers or other third-parties; their privacy policy is very clear on this. It's also totally obvious from a business perspective, because handing off that information to advertisers would be handing out a key business advantage for free. Goggle is not stupid.

      As for government data requests, they publish the exact numbers and the percentage of requests they complied with. Based on the numbers it's pretty clear they fight many of the requests they get (e.g. all 42 requests from the Russian government have been denied this year). You can look at the numbers yourself: http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests/

    3. Re:This is solely about governmental privacy by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Informative

      Even though I'm confident you're either trying to be funny or are trolling, I'll respond in detail for the benefit of anyone else who might be ignorant on this topic.

      To cherry-pick just a small handful of examples from Slashdot's archives:
      1) Tracking us: Beacon, more tracking, requests for FTC audit regarding cookie usage and privacy, even more tracking, violating European laws by tracking on third-party sites, filing a patent to track us on other sites, not answering Congressional questions regarding whether they are tracking users still, $15 bn lawsuit for illegal tracking

      2) Sharing with third-parties: Facebook Sharing, sharing pics with advertisers, three US Senators telling Facebook to quit sharing data, sharing IDs with third parties so they can be tracked, home addresses and phone numbers, a bug exposed millions of accounts of personal details

      3) Automatically making data public: News Feed, Facebook Connect, crap like this, settled with the FTC after making information that was set to private go public on numerous occasions, and agreed to not do it again

      There are dozens, if not hundreds of more examples of Facebook being slimy or criminal in their behavior if you just do a search for "Facebook privacy" here.

  8. 18 companies? by csumpi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    18 companies with 4 yes/no checks. Nothing about how the companies use collected user data or how they share it. Complete fail.

    How can anyone call this a report?

  9. Skype? by epp_b · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only reason Skype has a zero-score is because the EFF's criteria is inadequate. They're all contingent on these companies actually storing and using your data, neither of which Skype does. Skype actually takes it a step further and encrypts all communication. As far as I'm aware, Skype never sees your data, it's just a pipe.

    Skype is ahead of all of these companies, as far as I'm concerned.

    1. Re:Skype? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Skype probably has a backdoor to allow governments to listen in, although the code is heavily obfuscated to try to prevent people from finding out the details via reverse engineering.

  10. Re:Apple and Microsoft are one of the worst compan by matunos · · Score: 2

    God help us. I'm pretty sure if Apple and Microsoft ever combined, the universe would explode.

  11. Re:Apple and Microsoft are one of the worst compan by Psychotic_Wrath · · Score: 2

    They call it Craple.

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  12. Re:Apple and Microsoft are one of the worst compan by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

    Maybe Applesoft will transition aqua to Metro on all the macs. Can you just imagine the look on the anal Mac users faces? Mass suicide

  13. go sonic by convolvatron · · Score: 2

    I know the article is meaningless, but sonic is just great.

    I've never had a provider before who

        - consistently answers the phone for tech support, and provides honest, useful advice and really address problems

        - is willing to own issues with the local loop provider

        - consistently ups my capacity and lowers my rate just because

        - encourages me to run an open access point

        - takes an unmitigated pro-consumer stand wrt net legislation at every opportunity

  14. What's with the Google logo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is the Google logo used as the icon for this article? Why not Apple or Microsoft?

  15. Re:Which is, of course, not true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    No-one expected a defence of the Spanish Inquisition.

    (There was one great thing about living before the late 20th century: the world had more than one religion, and you could always at least try to escape the hell around you. Now it's capitalism with a strong legal bias toward big business everywhere, so you either comply or you starve. Not much different than 500 years ago, then.)

  16. Re:Apple and Microsoft are one of the worst compan by shentino · · Score: 4, Funny

    You just know it would be rotten to the core.

  17. Re:Apple and Microsoft are one of the worst compan by Lord_of_the_nerf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Micrapple.

  18. Re:DFS Systems by bmo · · Score: 2

    Cloud storage in general is useless when there are bandwidth caps, whether DFS or not. "Cloud storage" is only useful as an intermediary to share small amounts of files and that's it.

    Nitpick: DFS=distributed file system. "DFS system" = distributed file system system

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  19. Re:I am more stupid now by arkane1234 · · Score: 2

    It is now that it's been used as a word.

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  20. Re:Apple and Microsoft are one of the worst compan by mcgrew · · Score: 2

    there's something like dyslexia for full words?)

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