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The Nice Guy At the World's Largest Weapons Expo

pigrabbitbear writes "It was the second day of the Special Operation Forces Exhibition in Amman, Jordan, and the temperature outside the convention center was around 80 degrees Fahrenheit, with a typical chance of rain of zero. Drones of various sizes hovered in the hot blue desert sky. Inside, Ed Atchley had set up a booth for his company, Aspen Water Inc., right next to a 30mm chain gun designed to sink things like helicopters and Somali pirate ships. Atchley had traveled from his headquarters in Richardson, Texas, to the largest weapons trade show in the world, mainly because he makes 'the army's smallest, lightest, least expensive, high output, reverse osmosis water purifier,' he says, and people in the Middle East – including soldiers – get very thirsty."

180 comments

  1. Logistics by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, those booths should be sitting next to each other. All the high tech drones, big guns, fighters, bombers, and armor doesn't mean much if your soldiers starve or run out of water. Sun Tzu said as much -- it was pretty much chapter 1 of The Art of War. It may not be very sexy, but it's like saying the internet is important... and electricity isn't.

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    1. Re:Logistics by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      All the high tech drones ... doesn't mean much if your soldiers starve or run out of water.

      No, I'm pretty sure the drones still mean something, especially if you can launch them from a ship offshore and pilot them from an Air Force base in Colorado.

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    2. Re:Logistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do they fly when their stomach (fuel tank) is empty?

    3. Re:Logistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the variously attributed quote goes, "amateurs discuss tactics. Professionals discuss logistics."

  2. Judo by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unfortunately, at the weapons show, more of the attendees were probably interested in ways to keep this product out of the hands of "certain people" than buying it for themselves.

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    1. Re:Judo by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately, at the weapons show, more of the attendees were probably interested in ways to keep this product out of the hands of "certain people" than buying it for themselves.

      There's no reason for that. We've offered to assist in the setup nuclear power plants to North Korea in exchange for discontinuing their weapons development program. If we're willing to do that, a few water purifiers is hardly anything to worry about. Besides, I think fresh water is a better diplomat than a Predator drone.

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    2. Re:Judo by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We've offered to assist in the setup nuclear power plants to North Korea in exchange for discontinuing their weapons development program.

      and

      Besides, I think fresh water is a better diplomat than a Predator drone.

      Of course it is, but the people at that weapons show are in the war business. They're not looking for "diplomacy" or "development" or "peace".

      Their business is killing, and as the famous Stoic philosopher Lt. Aldo "The Apache" Raine said, "brother, business is a-boomin'."

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    3. Re:Judo by SydShamino · · Score: 2

      Every soldier who dies of thirst is one less solder who can die from the latest missile technology.

      I'd think arms dealers would be highly supportive of water purifiers.

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    4. Re:Judo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You recognize that you just quoted a Quentin Tarantino character to support your stereotype of defense sector workers?

      The political leanings of those who are employed in 1/5 of the United States economy may be more diverse than "You owe me Nazi Scalps!"

    5. Re:Judo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, most of us are, frm personal experience, very anti-war. We are, however, pragmatic enough to pick war when the other options are worse.

    6. Re:Judo by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      You recognize that you just quoted a Quentin Tarantino character to support your stereotype of defense sector workers?

      "Defense sector workers"? Is that what they're calling it these days?

      Anyway, I was aiming my remarks more at the people who profit from war than those who fight. As usual in the modern era, the ones who profit from war and the ones who fight war are not overlapping groups.

      The political leanings of those who are employed in 1/5 of the United States economy ...

      Wait a minute, you're saying twenty percent of our economy is involved in war? Shit, no wonder we're in such shit economic shape. I guess now I know why all the elites believe that the 64 year-old woman who's cleaning hotel rooms should have to work until she's 70 before she can retire. She's got to pay that twenty percent who are stroking hardware at the weapons shows.

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    7. Re:Judo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, most of us are, frm personal experience, very anti-war. We are, however, pragmatic enough to pick war when the other options are worse.

      What utter nonsense. People love war. The way for a vicious, incompetent prick stay in office as long as he wants is to start a war, preferably extremely bloody and glorious and far away. It works best if you can characterize the people you are slaughtering as fiendish and unnatural, so inflaming racial and religious hatreds makes it work even better.

      History proves that the mass of people love a successful bloody-handed slaughterer, from King Arthur on up to Chairman Mao. Humans love war, they just don't want to get any on themselves personally.

    8. Re:Judo by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      Their business is killing,

      Their business is protecting and saving lives, which sometimes means having overwhelming firepower. Mutually Assured Destruction was the most successful peace policy ever. Don't assume that everything we send into a war zone is meant to either kill, or die. That kind of thinking is 20+ years out of date.

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    9. Re:Judo by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Their business is protecting and saving lives

      You know who "protects and saves lives"? Medical personnel, doctors, nurses, firemen, police. Armies do the bidding of the most powerful, which almost always means some very bad days for regular people.

      You can dress it up with all the lovely rhetoric you want, but if you listen to the sales pitches, read the brochures, of all that great "protecting, life-saving" hardware at a weapons show, you'll hear about killing people, hurting people, depriving them of life.

      We say it to make the young men and women who do the fighting and end up dying or being mutilated feel better, but all that business about "protecting liberty" and "fighting for our freedom" is just a canard. What was the last time in American history when we actually fought for our "freedom"? Now, it's about protecting corporate interests (profits) and enriching the people who make all that "overwhelming firepower".

      I wonder what was the last time that one single item at that weapons show was actually used for something that didn't end with regular people being dead or displaced.

      Do you really believe that only the "good guys" shop at those weapons shows? That they ask for affidavits that the weapons will only be used morally?

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    10. Re:Judo by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      You know who "protects and saves lives"? Medical personnel, doctors, nurses, firemen, police.

      Your police must be magical. Where I live, they kill people for holding things like screwdrivers, bags of skittles, or picket signs.

      Armies do the bidding of the most powerful, which almost always means some very bad days for regular people.

      If by "regular people" you mean "armed insurgents", yes.

      You can dress it up with all the lovely rhetoric you want, but if you listen to the sales pitches, read the brochures, of all that great "protecting, life-saving" hardware at a weapons show, you'll hear about killing people, hurting people, depriving them of life.

      "Please hold still while I murder you with this water purifier."

      We say it to make the young men and women who do the fighting and end up dying or being mutilated feel better,

      Er, people who are dead can't be made to feel better... or anything for that matter.

      but all that business about "protecting liberty" and "fighting for our freedom" is just a canard.

      Yeah, it's true... everyone loves America. We're like a big purple dinosaur that sings love songs in the international community. No need to defend ourselves... who'd ever attack such a loveable country?

      What was the last time in American history when we actually fought for our "freedom"?

      Every day someone is unjustly arrested. Every time someone stops to put a dollar in a jar to help cure a disease. Right now, someone, somewhere, is getting up from their seat to speak out against an injustice. Freedom isn't fought with just guns.

      I wonder what was the last time that one single item at that weapons show was actually used for something that didn't end with regular people being dead or displaced.

      You mean, like a water purifier?

      Do you really believe that only the "good guys" shop at those weapons shows? That they ask for affidavits that the weapons will only be used morally?

      Weapons aren't good or bad, and morality isn't an absolute... it is constantly being challenged by changes in circumstances and environment. Having known many members of the armed forces, I can say that the overwhelming majority of them are moral and decent people. Very often, they are faced with the decision to shoot someone to save their own life, or to shoot someone to save many more lives.

      Let me posit a hypothetical: Say there are two train tracks branching off from a central line. And say you are standing at the switch, and a train is coming. Now everyone's been told not to use the one on the left, but there are ten people who are sitting on that track. On the right, there is only one person. Presently, the switch is set so the train goes to the track on the left. There is no time to warn anyone, they are too far away. Do you throw the switch, or leave it alone? Why?

      Do you consider yourself responsible for the deaths of the 10 people if you do nothing? What about if you switch the train to the other track -- are you responsible for the death of that 1 person? And which is better -- saving the lives of 10 people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, at the cost of 1, or saving 1 who was doing what they were told, at the cost of 10 others. Would it make any difference if it was just one person on each track? What if there were a thousand on the left side instead of just ten?

      It's very easy to judge people first, then come up with reasons to support the judgement. It's a lot harder to ask "Well, why did they do that?" -- You have to seek to understand first, then judge. You can't judge, then understand.

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  3. Wait a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "designed to sink things like helicopters and Somali pirate ships."

    I'd like to know how you sink a helicopter.

    1. Re:Wait a second... by balouderbaer · · Score: 3, Funny

      After you hit a helicopter it probably loses height even quicker than a ship.

    2. Re:Wait a second... by Cute+Fuzzy+Bunny · · Score: 1

      Oh come on. First you make sure the helicopter is over water, shoot with the chain gun, crash, then sinkage.

  4. I couldnt help myself by netdigger · · Score: 1

    "Is it hot in Chad?"

    1. Re:I couldnt help myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it is! Where do you think pineapples come from?

  5. Advertising strategy by balouderbaer · · Score: 1

    The article is an obvious piece of PR disguised as informative journalism. I guess getting your sales pitch on slashdot is easier than renting billboards. Would not read again.

    1. Re:Advertising strategy by Jeremi · · Score: 2

      Yes, I'm sure Slashdot's readership is a highly sought-after market for $70,000 water purifiers.

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    2. Re:Advertising strategy by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, if you believe a significant number of Slashdot posters they are so dangerous to the established world order that they need to triply encrypt their data, send it via a darknetted Tor system and only read it under an infrared light after scanning the room for stray electromagnetic emissions. These highly sought after individuals might well need water purification systems for their discretely located subterranean lair.

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    3. Re:Advertising strategy by SethJohnson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, I'm sure Slashdot's readership is a highly sought-after market for $70,000 water purifiers.

      This is an ugly example of Slashdot's owners whoring the site for SEO purposes. It ain't about trying to sell water purifiers to anonymous cowards. It's about boosting this company in Google rankings when buyers are searching for water purification systems.

      Seth

    4. Re:Advertising strategy by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      These highly sought after individuals might well need water purification systems for their discretely located subterranean lair.

      Not nearly as much as people without a discretely located subterranean lair, however, who have fewer opportunities for water storage.

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  6. What we need... by TorrentFox · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is a droid that understands the binary language of moisture vaporators!

    1. Re:What we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DAMMIT! I'm only fluent in Bocce.

  7. Re:70 litres of water vs 300 by balouderbaer · · Score: 1, Troll

    Showering sure is easier if you don't have to ask the military for permission.

  8. You tell 'em Hawkeye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you practicing medicine...or weapons repair.

  9. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's not senseless murder. There is a lot of money to be made. In fact, it is one of the few industries that are booming today. Done correctly, murder can be highly profitable for the murderer (displace an ethnic minority to take their land, kill people opposing your government, stealing riches, protect your religion for heretics/infidels, etc.).

    What? Do you hate economic growth? The rich killing the poor is what had created most of the developed nations of the world.

  10. Re:Still a bad guy by Nutria · · Score: 0, Troll

    Senseless? Few people kill just for the fuck of it.

    Now, whether you agree with a US soldier's rationale for killing a 12yo boy or an Al-Qaeda follower planting an IED that kills whoever detonates it is a different story, but they all have a definite rationale.

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  11. Which was more important... by matunos · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...the stillsuit or the lasgun?

    1. Re:Which was more important... by optimism · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Neither. The spice (aka oil aka energy).

    2. Re:Which was more important... by silvershadow · · Score: 1

      Neither. The spice (aka oil aka energy).

      Only if you're not in the desert.

  12. Re:Still a bad guy by Hentes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This technology could have quite a few peaceful uses as well.

  13. Re:Still a bad guy by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

    You know those people you're talking about? The people trying to senselessly murder innocent people? Yeah, pretty much the only way to stop them is to kill them.

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  14. Re:Still a bad guy by Kid+Zero · · Score: 2

    I take it you're pro-death and torment from your request he "burn", right?

  15. no be have to fully punch chad out for it to count by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    no be have to fully punch chad out for it to count

  16. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Gee I'm thirsty, I think I'll pull out my AK shoot you and steal your water purifier.

  17. Correction by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Perhaps a correction to the headline is in order:

    The Nicest Guy At the World's Largest Weapons Expo

    If you want to publicise the work of some actual nice guys, what about those people who go into warzones simply to provide this kind of facility (some even do it for free, the gall of these people!) to those who are suffering because they happen to live in the middle of a war they want no part in?

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  18. Re:Still a bad guy by Arker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have to disagree with you.

    The senseless murder of people by other people has been going on for a long time and will unfortunately continue for at least the near future. But developing and producing better water purifiers does nothing to encourage it.

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  19. Re:70 litres of water vs 300 by Faggot+McNigger · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Perhaps a correction to the headline is in order: The Nicest Guy At the World's Largest Weapons Expo If you want to publicise the work of some actual nice guys, what about those people who go into warzones simply to provide this kind of facility (some even do it for free, the gall of these people!) to those who are suffering because they happen to live in the middle of a war they want no part in?

  20. Re:Still a bad guy by realityimpaired · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Potable water is the most critical resource on the planet. The wars of the future will not be fought over access to oil or nuclear fuel, they'll be fought over water shortages.

    Anything that makes water easier to obtain will save lives in the long run, even if it's being used chiefly by the military today.

  21. Re:Still a bad guy by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 4, Informative

    Maybe he meant "senseless to a sensible person." Also, I think you meant rationalization, not rationale.

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  22. Look in the mirror with the rest of us: by Hartree · · Score: 1

    Rodney King asked: "Can't we all just get along?"

    Several thousand years of human history demonstrate that the general answer is a resounding "No!".

    Many of us can get along with at least some of the others out there some of the time, but thinking that we all have nothing but peace love and singing Kumbaya in our hearts is wishfull thinking.

    Oh, we might become that way at some point in the future. But, I think it would take some massive genetic/social engineering or eugenic breeding.

    And I'm not sure what you'd end up with would be what you really wanted, or could really be called human.

    So, until you come up with the right kind of magic pixie dust that makes us all like the angelic ones in My Little Pony you'll just have to deal with an imperfect world.

    1. Re:Look in the mirror with the rest of us: by Ocker3 · · Score: 1

      I think the problem is we don't identify people on the other side of the world, and/or of a different religion, skin colour, language, etc, as being like us enough to care about them as much as we perhaps could/should. It takes either a strong external force or an internal on to create such cohesion. So barring the Vulcans noticing us because we have Warp drive (an external force) or enough people getting full-motion video on the internet so we can actually see and make friends with people from all over the world, expanding our idea of who "we" are, yes, the answer will still be No.

  23. Napoleon said it better: by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'An army marches on its stomach.'

    'C'est la soupe qui fait le soldat.'

    Nothing, absolutely nothing, matters more at winning wars than logistics. The lethal fighting force is but the edge of a vast engineering and distribution network. Or, if it is not the edge of such a network, it is soon a defeated lethal fighting force.

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    1. Re:Napoleon said it better: by The+Snowman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nothing, absolutely nothing, matters more at winning wars than logistics. The lethal fighting force is but the edge of a vast engineering and distribution network. Or, if it is not the edge of such a network, it is soon a defeated lethal fighting force.

      I spent six years in the U.S. Air Force flying a desk. To this day people are shocked that the only time I flew on a plane was a civilian airliner, and I never saw combat.

      When I was in, the USAF was around 300,000 Airmen. Around 10% was aircrew, which includes: pilots, navigators, crew chiefs, AWACS computer guys, etc. It took the rest of the USAF to handle the rest: feed the troops, get them to where they need to go, ensure their computers were working correctly, tracking millions of bullets, bombs and missiles, tending to medical needs, paychecks, etc.

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    2. Re:Napoleon said it better: by interkin3tic · · Score: 0

      French soldiers use their stomachs to march? That explains their military history...

    3. Re:Napoleon said it better: by budgenator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And that logistics has to work under chaotic conditions, which is why the military is so good at humanitarian disaster relief.

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    4. Re:Napoleon said it better: by sco08y · · Score: 1

      Nothing, absolutely nothing, matters more at winning wars than logistics. The lethal fighting force is but the edge of a vast engineering and distribution network. Or, if it is not the edge of such a network, it is soon a defeated lethal fighting force.

      I spent six years in the U.S. Air Force flying a desk. To this day people are shocked that the only time I flew on a plane was a civilian airliner, and I never saw combat.

      When I was in, the USAF was around 300,000 Airmen. Around 10% was aircrew, which includes: pilots, navigators, crew chiefs, AWACS computer guys, etc. It took the rest of the USAF to handle the rest: feed the troops, get them to where they need to go, ensure their computers were working correctly, tracking millions of bullets, bombs and missiles, tending to medical needs, paychecks, etc.

      Hey now, don't forget the hordes of masseuses, pedicurists, HVAC and cable TV technicians.

    5. Re:Napoleon said it better: by camperdave · · Score: 2

      'An army marches on its stomach.'

      Ah, so a soldier is just a large gastropod?

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    6. Re:Napoleon said it better: by subreality · · Score: 1

      Nothing, absolutely nothing, matters more at winning wars than logistics

      Says who? Morale is #1, even in conventional war, but even more so in the unconventional combat that's been popular lately.

    7. Re:Napoleon said it better: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Without good logistics, there is no morale. Without food there is 0 morale.

    8. Re:Napoleon said it better: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing, absolutely nothing, matters more at winning wars than logistics. The lethal fighting force is but the edge of a vast engineering and distribution network. Or, if it is not the edge of such a network, it is soon a defeated lethal fighting force.

      I spent six years in the U.S. Air Force flying a desk. To this day people are shocked that the only time I flew on a plane was a civilian airliner, and I never saw combat.

      When I was in, the USAF was around 300,000 Airmen. Around 10% was aircrew, which includes: pilots, navigators, crew chiefs, AWACS computer guys, etc. It took the rest of the USAF to handle the rest: feed the troops, get them to where they need to go, ensure their computers were working correctly, tracking millions of bullets, bombs and missiles, tending to medical needs, paychecks, etc.

      Just goes to show how bloated the US military is and how the military budget could stand to take a slashing.

    9. Re:Napoleon said it better: by Phrogman · · Score: 1
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    10. Re:Napoleon said it better: by dj245 · · Score: 2

      Nothing, absolutely nothing, matters more at winning wars than logistics. The lethal fighting force is but the edge of a vast engineering and distribution network. Or, if it is not the edge of such a network, it is soon a defeated lethal fighting force.

      I spent six years in the U.S. Air Force flying a desk. To this day people are shocked that the only time I flew on a plane was a civilian airliner, and I never saw combat.

      When I was in, the USAF was around 300,000 Airmen. Around 10% was aircrew, which includes: pilots, navigators, crew chiefs, AWACS computer guys, etc. It took the rest of the USAF to handle the rest: feed the troops, get them to where they need to go, ensure their computers were working correctly, tracking millions of bullets, bombs and missiles, tending to medical needs, paychecks, etc.

      Just goes to show how bloated the US military is and how the military budget could stand to take a slashing.

      I was going to bring up some figures to show that you are totally wrong and that the ratio has been improving as the military gets leaner, but you are correct. The trend is more and more support troops. According to the military's figures, it is more like 25% fighters, 75% nonfighters, but the Air Force might be skewed a bit since a jet has a lot more power than 1 man on the ground.

      Long PDF here. Too long for me so I just read the conclusions starting at page 77.

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    11. Re:Napoleon said it better: by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      I spent six years in the U.S. Air Force flying a desk. To this day people are shocked that the only time I flew on a plane was a civilian airliner, and I never saw combat.

      That's because, of all of the [US] armed services, the USAF has the absolute worst tooth-to-tail ratio. It's inherent in the nature of an air force, any air force, but it is an aberration.

    12. Re:Napoleon said it better: by Mana+Mana · · Score: 1

      Norman Scwarcskopf said on the _eve_ of Desert Storm, vis-a-vis studio-chair-military-analysts:

      ``At this point if you are still talking battle tactics you don't know what you're doing, and are in serious trouble! After the planning is done all that's left to do, and what matters is logistics, logistics, logistics.''

      > absolutely nothing, matters more at winning wars than
      > logistics.

      Tell that to AQ in Iraq. Or the VC. Modern armies are so passe to many these days. Caveat poster.

    13. Re:Napoleon said it better: by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Hey now, don't forget the hordes of masseuses, pedicurists, HVAC and cable TV technicians.

      At work sometimes I think half of our problems stem from the fact that in the huge wave of cost cutting it has been forgotten that sometimes this kind of stuff pays for itself.

      If you want to get work done you need competent employees (a premise that many companies no longer buy into). If you want competent employees then you need to motivate them to show up for work. The biggest motivator is obviously the paycheck, but there are other reasons that people work. If you pay enough, you can hire just about anybody to do just about anything. However, if you actually make the experience somewhat pleasant you don't have to pay them nearly as much. Google spends $10/day on an employee that they are probably spending a total of $400 or so just on compensation/benefits, and who knows how much on overhead. When people talk about working at Google, I tend to hear a lot more about the food than the pay, though it is just one aspect of the whole package and general atmosphere. How much would they have to spend on direct compensation to get that kind of talent?

      If you're going to lock guys up in a sub or station them at an airbase in the middle of a desert, it will be a lot cheaper to get volunteers to hire a haircutter and have cable TV than to pay people $500k to put up with the boredom and waist-length hair.

  24. not 80 degrees Fahrenheit! by Osgeld · · Score: 4, Funny

    fuck it tapped 100 a few times here in the states last week, besides why is this guy nice? Cause he wants to sell technology to any army that pays him enough, well just call him Jesus fucking Saint Humanity!

    1. Re:not 80 degrees Fahrenheit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said! Where do you think they get all that nice de-salinated water from to do all those water-boardings? That's right kiddo's that guy!

    2. Re:not 80 degrees Fahrenheit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well just call him Jesus fucking Saint Humanity!

      That actually has a nice ring to it... Mind if I name my next child that? I mean if you were planning on using it for yours I won't because it would just be weird having two Jesus Fucking Saint Humanities..

    3. Re:not 80 degrees Fahrenheit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think Jordan is hotter than the Arizona desert? Or are you comparing to Alaska? What does the weather in the US have to do with anything?

      Think outside of your little box. Google "Amman Weather". At the time of posting high today is about 90 degrees Fahrenheit, and a high of 80 tomorrow.

      Do us all a favor and Google it in winter, you may find *gasp* freezing temperatures and snow!

    4. Re:not 80 degrees Fahrenheit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sincerely, I don't give a damn what are you thinking. The first thing that came to my mind, is that there's a lot of great uses for the device (such as saving lives), but the guy decided to make it so the army can pay a lot for it.

      So when the GP says it hit 100 last week or another day, I think, where the f*** was that guy providing people their life saving liquid?

    5. Re:not 80 degrees Fahrenheit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cause he wants to sell technology to any army that pays him enough

      So building technology for the military is bad? It certainly sounds like you want to ban all military technology: Let me see what military technology do you have: Internet connection, Sat-Nav, cell phone. And that's just the cyber-tech stuff, you hypocrite.

      This is an example of organised violence benefiting society. It doesn't excuse any war in history but some good can come from our worst instincts. As the OP reveals, even clean water will/should be a military technology spread around the world. Indirectly, you're saying removing the cause of half of infectious diseases is a bad thing.

      Did you also notice that pundits wanted to weaponize its absence! It is easier to oppress a population when they can't access water (and salt!) at will.

  25. Re:Still a bad guy by zill · · Score: 5, Informative

    Definition of SENSELESS:
    b : foolish, stupid: it was some senseless practical joke — A. Conan Doyle
    c : meaningless: a senseless murder

    He probably meant it as "meaningless" I'm guessing. As in, it's meaningless to resort to violence when it only makes the problem worst.

  26. Re:Still a bad guy by Nutria · · Score: 0

    Who is the sensible person? We Westerners really think that we are sensible, and that those Ay-rabs are bat shit crazy, but Mohamed Atta thought it was imminently sensible to fly a plane into the WTC, and there's nothing we can so or say that will convince millions of Muslims otherwise.

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  27. Re:Still a bad guy by EdIII · · Score: 1

    He was trying to save people from the dehydration. Stop picking on the poor water distribution engineer.

  28. Re:Still a bad guy by silas_moeckel · · Score: 0

    Since the core issue is one of faith you will still have people fighting over the radioactive glass if we were to remove the land in question. Thus there will never be an agreeable settlement on all sides since the faiths in question separated over there issues, most of the west does not even realize that Muslims are a splinter faith from Judaic traditions. These guys have built there temples over each other as a way of spitting on something to say it's yours.

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  29. Re:Still a bad guy by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Could, and does. FTFA:

    Since those legal hurdles were resolved, Aspen Water has been growing, distributing fresh water systems to militaries around the world and in humanitarian crises.

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  30. Re:Still a bad guy by StevenMaurer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now, whether you agree with a US soldier's rationale for killing a 12yo boy or an Al-Qaeda follower planting an IED that kills whoever detonates it is a different story, but they all have a definite rationale.

    I think what drives more U.S. Soldiers to commit suicide than are actually killed in combat, is that it's often the case that the Al-Qaeda follower planting an IED is a 12 year old boy

  31. Re:Still a bad guy by Nutria · · Score: 0

    I had to be Fair And Balanced (no, I don't watch FNC) as a sop to left wing America-hating pansies who blindly deny that there are groups of people in the world more Eeeevil that the US Military.

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  32. Re:Still a bad guy by ldobehardcore · · Score: 2

    In most of the world it's more like:

    Gee I'm thirsty. So are my wife, six children, handful of cows, and all the people I know in my village. I don't have any way to dig a well deep enough to give me sufficient water, much less my family and friends who are also thirsty.
    But we do have a lot of guns and bullets.....

    It's a very shitty situation, and I think your logic is inappropriately reductionist and simple minded.

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  33. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The US military isn't evil it just follows the orders of the scumbag 1% who own the US government. The invasion of Iraq had only one driver to get Bush's croony oil folks rich'er. Everything else was a smoke screen for stupid people.

  34. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    More damage has been done to other humans in the name of religion then any other factor.

    Nice trite accusation, but you should really study more history, because you are way off base here,

  35. Re:Still a bad guy by jklovanc · · Score: 0

    It has one definite advantage; it allows forces that could not normally live off the land to occupy areas without good drinking water. Drinkable water facilitates the movement of troops. If troops can not go there they can not hold ground. I am not saying that military forces are a bad thing but that creating drinking water for military forces is very similar to the the creation of military rations; they both have military application.

  36. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moral of the story? Make pots.

    Well, the socialists want to legalize pot, but you neocons won't let them.

  37. Re:Still a western guy by noshellswill · · Score: 0

    We can ruthlessly butcher the Muzzi-wog by the 10s-of-millions till they eat batshiit and live in caves with scorpions and iguanas. Kinda like 18-th Century invader-bashing "before the gates of Vienna" only we take-no-prisoners. He wins and writes history who piles the bodies highest!

  38. Re:Still a bad guy by jklovanc · · Score: 1

    Until rain becomes contaminated this is not going to be a world wide issue. There are a few places that are having issues with potable water such as the Nile and the Ganges but most of the world will not have that issue. With solar energy and contaminated water portable water is one step away.

  39. Uh, the spice wasnt an energy commodity... by CaptnCrud · · Score: 0

    It was an addictive drug with mind and body enhancing traits. Just saying. : )

    1. Re:Uh, the spice wasnt an energy commodity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't an energy commodity, but without it there wouldn't be any interstellar travel (and therefore no empire).

    2. Re:Uh, the spice wasnt an energy commodity... by shvytejimas · · Score: 1

      Undoing accidental moderation

  40. Is all military bad? by jklovanc · · Score: 2

    It is funny how people think that all military forces are bad. While it would be nice if there was absolutely no military forces in the world but that will never happen. It is human nature to want something someone else has and to want to protect what one has (which can soon morph into we have these forces and they have what we want). In every conflict there is at least one aggressor and at least one defender. In general I side with the defenders; taking land by force is wrong. In my mind the defending force are the good guys. They too need armaments and ammunition which is why I see not issues with military expos.

    Whether or not a military force is a good or bad this is a moot point. It is how the people, through their elected officials, use their military forces on other countries that matters. As examples: North Korea, pretty bad; Canada damn good.

  41. Re:stone crusher by adavies42 · · Score: 1

    How about the Crushinator? My robot bud here needs a new girlfriend....

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  42. IX... by CaptnCrud · · Score: 0

    Would have broken the rules of the jihad if it came to empire collapse. Since I have no one else to geek talk some dune with : P

    1. Re:IX... by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Wait, If Ix could have built fold-ships that didn't need spice and navigators, how did Leto manage to take over the whole damn galaxy then? If it were possible, *I* would certainly think it preferable to tell Leto to take his spice and stick it in his ear and use computers for navigation than deal with 3000 years of half-man half-worm god-emperor.

      Disclaimer: I was told by someone whose opinion I trust that the various prequels and sequels written by Herbert's offspring and hangers-on were utterly terrible and never got around to reading them. Hell, by God Emperor, even the genuine article was really starting to drag.

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    2. Re:IX... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      he used politics and enforcing an artificial monopoly that was wasteful for his own political purposes. not sure if herbert was using it as an analogue to something..

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    3. Re:IX... by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      Personally, I liked the other books, read them all.
      They are good, not great.

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    4. Re:IX... by CaptnCrud · · Score: 0

      They couldnt defy him before they developed no tech. I think the idea was letos prescience let him crush any opposition that didnt fall in line with the golden path. Ehh, they werent terrible. They where different then his fathers style, I actually liked the legends of dune books if you dig background info. I think his sons books where less dialog/internal monologe heavy and instead where more action oriented. The titans in particular agamemnon seemed like a complete bunch of morons. Im not sure if that was his intent, but they where the only problem I had with the legends books.

  43. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so why do you have 6 children if you can't even afford to feed yourself and your wife? this is that poor mentality I don't get.. "I'm poor so lets fuck a lot have pump out the kids". If the society was agrarian, I'd understand, but I'm talking about places that are desert.

  44. Re:Still a bad guy by ATMAvatar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When you see the US espouse itself as a pinnacle of freedom and justice occupy another country for 11 years, taking resources and torturing prisoners, it should be unsurprising that a lot of people cry foul. The US military is hardly the worst in the world, but it is the most visible, and it is hardly a bunch of white knights riding in on horses and serving up happiness, rainbows, and puppies.

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  45. Or rather would have paid them to do so. by CaptnCrud · · Score: 0

    The capability was even their when norma cenva created the fist fold ships from a knowledge standpoint, the rules of the jihad where the only thing keeping computational devieces from controlling fold ships. Although it was said they had way more of an accident margin compard to navigators due to the strangeness of the holztman equations.

  46. That's what they call "tail heavy" by Quila · · Score: 2

    The lighter the tail, the better, but too light and the beast dies. It's hard to achieve a good balance, and unfortunately politics plays a role, with all the kingdom building and buying things that need too much maintenance.

    1. Re:That's what they call "tail heavy" by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Modern military is tail heavy and will stay that way till we go back to sticks and stones.

      In the old days you had the spear-head, the shaft and the person holding it, and the person who made the spear (who could be the same person as the one holding the spear).

      Nowadays the "spear head" could be a bomb, behind this "spear head" could be a bunch of FA/18s (and their pilots), an aircraft carrier, with supporting ships, planes, helis (and maybe even a submarine). And it sure takes a lot of people, factories, mines, farms to build, maintain and supply all that.

      A significant part of a country's resources and output is behind the actual "spear head" which is then "thrust" into the enemy. However light you try to make the tail, it's still going to be heavy.

      Without the aircraft carrier your options for attacking others[1] become more restricted.

      [1] I think US euphemism for that is "projecting force".

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  47. Parent not as blatently sold-out as the article! by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

    I mean seriously; armies need to make roads with gravel too. Just like they need a specific manufacturer's water purifier, which is worthy of slashdot's attention.

  48. It is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    30 mm, not 30mm.

    1. Re:It is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanksfor clearingthat up.

  49. most people dont have elected leaders by decora · · Score: 1

    and most military expos are not about selling protection to democracies.

    selling land mines has no legitimate military purpose. we still do it.

    selling weapons to dictators has no legitimate diplomatic purpose, other than enabling one to kill a bunch of people from another. in the cold war, you could argue that was meaningful. the cold war is over. what is the argument now?

    1. Re:most people dont have elected leaders by Hartree · · Score: 2

      "selling land mines has no legitimate military purpose."

      Nonsense. If I'm defending a fixed position, I want a line of mines in front of me. Why? So it's harder for any attackers to overrun us, and kill not only us but whoever/whatever we're trying to protect. Mines are very effective for that.

      They have absolutely legitimate military use. The problem is when they're left behind and kill civilians. Or worse, when a regime plants them throughout farm fields so they can't be worked as a way to cause starvation.

      Just because you can be a bastard with them doesn't mean there aren't situations where they are needed.

      If you want to put in time links so they deactivate in case they are missed when picking them up, great. I agree with that. You want to restrict who they are sold to and have monitoring of use? Ok.

      But, if I were the Libyan rebels facing Qadafi's forces in tanks coming to take back my town, I would have wanted antitiank mines so that they could be stopped before they killed everyone.

      Now, if you take the position that all soldiers, rebels or fighters should be dead, that's a whole other story. (Or if you think that defending a city or a refuge camp or other civilian installation is of no positive value) . That I can't argue with as it's a matter of faith.

    2. Re:most people dont have elected leaders by JakartaDean · · Score: 2

      "selling land mines has no legitimate military purpose."

      Nonsense. If I'm defending a fixed position, I want a line of mines in front of me. Why? So it's harder for any attackers to overrun us, and kill not only us but whoever/whatever we're trying to protect. Mines are very effective for that.

      They have absolutely legitimate military use. The problem is when they're left behind and kill civilians. Or worse, when a regime plants them throughout farm fields so they can't be worked as a way to cause starvation.

      I'm very much with GP and against you on this. "The problem is when they're left behind and kill civilians" is true but a smoke screen. They're pretty much ALWAYS left behind where they kill and maim innocents, for generations. They take minutes to deploy but years to clear. You deploy now with the full expectation that you will be committing egregious human rights violations in the future. Where we draw the line between acceptable and unacceptable behaviour is obviously different in peacetime and at war -- that's almost the definition of war. However, landmines are now clearly on the wrong side of that line, even in wartime. Or, put another way, just as your right to swing your fist stops at my nose, your right to deploy mines stops unless you can guarantee you will clean them up again. And you can't guarantee that.

      As an aside, I've known two people who spent many years serving in the Canadian army, who admit they previously supported land mines where appropriate, and now work or volunteer time to make sure the world stops using them, and cleans up, bit by bit, the mess we are in now.

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    3. Re:most people dont have elected leaders by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      and most military expos are not about selling protection to democracies.

      Care to cite any studies on that? Buyers from democratic and non-democratic nations around the world attend these expos. Whether the nation is democratic or not they still need defense What I am trying to say is it how the weapons are used that is the issue..

      selling land mines has no legitimate military purpose. we still do it.

      There are at least three countries that would not exist without land mines; South Korea, Taiwan and Israel. Land mines have the legitimate purpose of enabling a smaller force to defend against a larger force. Used properly land mines are an asset. Used improperly as in South East Asia, they spell doom. As with anything, it is not the item but how it is used.

      selling weapons to dictators has no legitimate diplomatic purpose,

      Almost correct, except that weapons can be used by one dictator to defend against another countries(by the way there are several absolute monarchies in the world that some call dictatorships). You also forget that some times democracies even start wars.

    4. Re:most people dont have elected leaders by Hartree · · Score: 3, Informative

      Since 2004 the US has been eliminating the "dumb" antipersonnel mines in its arsenal. The ones left are electrically detonated and deactivate at a preset time, or ultimately when the batteries run out.

      Mines are so useful that the reality is, they will be used. And manufactured locally if they have to be.

      If you make it impossible for countries that can make the mines with time deactivation (or degradable components for the same end) to sell them, then what you will have for sale are those made by those who don't care. (And if you say it would be a war crime, I suggest you look at how many heads of state have been convicted since Nuremburg. One. Charles Taylor, And that's just in the past few weeks)

      That's very good for saying "it's not my fault", but it's hiding your head in the sand as far as reducing the number of situations like the former Yugoslavia and large numbers of long term mines being abondoned.

      As I said before, I greatly support putting deactivation systems in mines, and supporting it with treaties restricting the sale and manufacture of dumb mines. That may have some effect as it will mean the more modern type mines will be the ones openly sold.

      But a blanket ban just leads to those who won't follow it making their own, or buying them under the table. And guess what. Those won't be self deactivating because dumb mines are dirt cheap to make once you've spent the money to set up a production line.

      So, are you for something that might reduce the problem? Or are you for something that probably won't, but will let some people/countries say "it's not my fault"?

  50. Re:Still a bad guy by Nutria · · Score: 1, Troll

    And the "home of the free" legalized slavery for 89 years and now wants to tell people how much Coke they can drink in one serving.

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  51. Re:Still a bad guy by camperdave · · Score: 2

    Done correctly, murder can be highly profitable for the murderer (displace an ethnic minority to take their land, kill people opposing your government, stealing riches, protect your religion for heretics/infidels, etc.).

    Stab a rich guy in the alley and take his wallet...

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  52. Re:Still a bad guy by camperdave · · Score: 1

    this is that poor mentality I don't get.. "I'm poor so lets fuck a lot have pump out the kids".

    What's not to get. It's like nine months after a significant power failure. What else are you going to do?

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  53. Re:Still a bad guy by EvilHamster · · Score: 2

    Actually, for most of these people, having a lot of children is the only for old age pension that they can ever have. They have 6+ children so that the odds of at least one of them reaching 20 years old is reasonable. Infant mortality rates in some parts of the word are greater than 20% and this is a big improvement over the last few decades. I am astounded you don't know that. Perhaps a little more empathy for these desperately poor people would help come up with better solutions. This is why education of women is the only cure for over population: it allows the women to make informed decisions about health and family planning. It also gives them a degree of independance making them not entirely dependant on their reletives.

  54. I wonder if he'd consider a side deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seeing US troops in the middle eased greased up to the eyeballs on LSD would be worth the cost.

    Perhaps we could crowd source funding?

  55. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  56. Re:Still a bad guy by foniksonik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Religion is the biggest excuse for killing not the biggest cause. The cause is always power. Power from owning land, resources, strategic positions or influence. The only other cause of killing is insanity, insanity as a result of disease, poverty, oppression, etc.

    Power or insanity.

    Religion brings them both together in one package, so its often cited as the cause.

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  57. Re:Still a bad guy by foniksonik · · Score: 1

    The people of Iraq are better off now than in the past 50 years. Whatever the agenda may have been the end result is a net gain in freedom for the people of earth.

    Look at Saddam's son who would have followed him as the dictator there and would now be in power if Iraq had not been invaded. People tend to forget about how really evil that family was.

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  58. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The people of Iraq are better off now than in the past 50 years. Whatever the agenda may have been the end result is a net gain in freedom for the people of earth.

    Look at Saddam's son who would have followed him as the dictator there and would now be in power if Iraq had not been invaded. People tend to forget about how really evil that family was.

    And yet we (the U.S.A.) were responsible for putting Saddam into power. So if he is the ultimate horror, what are we?

  59. hi Ethanol-fueled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    glad to know you will stay with us as an AC angel after the death of your /. account .

    we will avenge you somehow !

  60. Re:Still a bad guy by JakartaDean · · Score: 1

    Until rain becomes contaminated this is not going to be a world wide issue. There are a few places that are having issues with potable water such as the Nile and the Ganges but most of the world will not have that issue. With solar energy and contaminated water portable water is one step away.

    I think it's already portable, it's just heavy that it's difficult to move a lot of it unless you can channel it downhill ;-)

    Seriously, on the larger issue I couldn't disagree more. Google gives lots of good stuff. The very first document says: "Our Bottom Line: During the next 10 years, many countries important to the United States will experience water problems—shortages, poor water quality, or floods—that will risk instability and state failure, increase regional tensions, and distract them from working with the United States on important US policy objectives. Between now and 2040, fresh water availability will not keep up with demand absent more effective management of water resources. Water problems will hinder the ability of key countries to produce food and generate energy, posing a risk to global food markets and hobbling economic growth. As a result of demographic and economic development pressures, North Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia will face major challenges coping with water problems.

    Filtering dirty water to make it useful for crops or washing your car is easy. Filtering it (cheaply) to make it drinkable is much harder. Desalinating it, as this does, is more difficult still, and usually very energy intensive.

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  61. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People tend to forget about how really evil that family was.

    People also forget that Iraq was a US ally before Saddam Hussein came to power. You know, like China (communist), Cuba (communist), and Iran (Militant theocracy, think Israel).

    Once Saddam gained power via a US-led coup and directed his vitriol to the US plutocracy, Iraq went from donkeys and dirt to cars and highways. He also kept an open dialog with the USA until G Bush junior. Most likely, G Bush senior considered Iraq to be a friendly country, even when Saddam threatened his Kuwaiti oil-rigs.

  62. Re:Still a bad guy by couchslug · · Score: 2

    Combat is almost over, so the suicide rate is reasonably likely to exceed combat deaths.

    "is that it's often the case that the Al-Qaeda follower planting an IED is a 12 year old boy"

    Since when are there many "Al Qaeda" followers and since when is mining commonly being done by 12-year olds?

    The usual reasons for checking out have more to do with young marrieds coming UN-married as lonely wives get stuffed while the husband is deployed. Anyone pulling First Sergeant duty in war or peace or in-between gets to counsel lots of troops with domestic dramas. (That's a drawback to having a married force. IMO the military should pay SINGLE troops more and discourage marriage, but the GOP would come unglued...)

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  63. Re:Still a bad guy by wvmarle · · Score: 1

    Do you hate economic growth? The rich killing the poor is what had created most of the developed nations of the world.

    At the very least doing so will increase the average richness of the people!

  64. Re:Still a bad guy by wvmarle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would expect the peaceful/civilian market for such a system to be far greater than the military market. Also for more permanent installations. Plenty of communities that have a problem getting enough potable water. And it could have use in shipping industry too, saving the vessels to carry (and keep fresh) large amounts of water for long periods of time.

  65. Re:Still a bad guy by jklovanc · · Score: 1

    As a result of demographic and economic development pressures, North Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia will face major challenges coping with water problems.

    That is exactly what I said; water will not be an issue in the entire Western Hemisphere and much of the Eastern as well. Those areas listed make up only a small part of the world and water supply is not a world issue.

    Filtering dirty water to make it useful for crops or washing your car is easy. Filtering it (cheaply) to make it drinkable is much harder. Desalinating it, as this does, is more difficult still, and usually very energy intensive.

    Do you notice that most of those places are very sunny and solar power is abundant? It will cost money to build and maintain these plants but it is still less than full scale war. On the other hand, perhaps people should move to places where there is water.

  66. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You and Nutria must be adults from your Slashdot ID #. Yet you talk like a bunch of junior high students who just want to smash the system!

  67. Re:Still a bad guy by genik76 · · Score: 1

    Only for a very short time.

  68. From hungarian dog's mouth: not worth the effort! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Atchley had traveled from his headquarters in Richardson, Texas, to the largest weapons trade show in the world, mainly because he makes 'the army's smallest, lightest, least expensive, high output, reverse osmosis water purifier,' he says, and people in the Middle East – including soldiers – get very thirsty."

    Who cares a damn? The Hungarian Military has had this capability for a decade to mobile purify putrified puddle-water in the field and offered it left and right to NATO and Uncle Sam to deploy to the Balkans, Iraq and Afghanistan. However, US Mil will not use anything but bottled water and bottled cola and pre-bottled whatever, no matter how much it costs to haul Evian across the oceans and how much logistics headache that causes.

    The czech-slovak military, who specialize in bio-chem warfare detection and warning are now much better off, because that is one good scare excuse to have at hand, so they are asked to deploy to most everywhere overseas. The downside is sometimes the Don asks them to detect threats that do not exist, but are needed for scaremongering at the UN and among NATO allies. The polish specialize in spec-ops missions and they have losses, but they are very close to USA and can get a lot of advanced, restricted export gear, although not for cheap.

  69. Re:Still a bad guy by Confusador · · Score: 1

    Not that you're wrong about water being vital, but it's availability is very much dependent on "oil or nuclear fuel". It's not like there isn't enough water to go around, it's just that it's either in the wrong place or not drinkable. Both of those problems are trivially solvable with sufficient application of energy.

  70. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    stalin, mao-tse-tung and pol pot in the name of their atheist philosophy together killed more people than anyone even claiming to be a religious person(s).

  71. Re:Still a bad guy by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes the Communists and the Nazis were just peace loving agnostic/atheists groups.
    Saying religion is the problem is oversimplifying the problem. Is religion used in an excuse to make war, yes. Is religion an excuse to make peace, yes.
    Religion is only one way we consider our identity. So we will support our peers of like minds. Take away religion we will fight for other thing, political ideals, resources, borders, race and ethnicity, moral code, social class status.

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  72. Re:Still a bad guy by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because Sadam was better then getting a communist supporter in power. Sometimes you need to choose from the lesser of two evils. The USSR with nukes pointing at you, or put a crazy man who will not join the side with all those nukes pointing at you, we will deal with the crazy man later. Just like FDR working with Stallin in WWII the communists were a threat to America, but Germany was a bigger threat.
    Sometimes in life you get places where you need to take the least bad action.

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  73. Re:Still a bad guy by Phrogman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In general, the Military does not start wars, Politicians start wars by telling the military who to attack. "War is the extension of politics by use of force" or words to that effect.
    I have tremendous respect for the US Military, its members etc. I have a lot less respect for the rich and powerful who get their politician underlings to order the invasion of a country so they can secure oil and make big profits off of the support contracts for all the troops that get sent. Anyone US soldier who died in Iraq did so not only because the enemy killed them, but also in part because they were sent there by people seeking economic gain.
    Almost every war is economic at heart, and the soldiers sent to fight it are merely tools used by Politicians to achieve their goals. This does not in any way denigrate the dedication of those troops who get sent to the war IMHO.

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  74. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how many of those countries that the US has "invaded" in the past 100 years have they kept, and while yes we have killed innocents and tortured prisoners, but in compared to what and whom? I'm thinking Sadam had us easily beat in that department, same goes for the Taliban, VC, the N Koreans, the Russians, the Japanese, the Nazis, the Mexians, the Spanish, the English, and everyone else we have ever fought? (I'll give you the Native Americans we were pretty big douche bags towards them.)

    I honestly wish it were about resources such as oil. At least then I'd know we'd get out after they ran out. No it's about a far worse thing called ideals, which unfortunately seems to constantly cause us trouble and never runs out.

    My personal belief system dictates that we should stay out of wars and mind our own business, but if another country insists by threatening us and actually poses a real threat, the only reasonable response is the utter annihilation of the leadership and major populations that support them ie a spread of nukes on their major cities. We'd only need to do that once or twice a century to keep the lesson fresh. Most "threats" today are "little dogs barking" and warrent nothing more than a sharp hard kick rather in the full military mobilizations we've been doing.

  75. But religion is often a way to motivate people by Marrow · · Score: 1

    You might be right about power, but religion feed off of power and power feeds off of religion. Reason is much harder to find when you start off life inside a lie.

  76. Re:70 litres of water vs 300 by RoboRay · · Score: 4, Funny

    Having spent some time in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE and Oman, I can assert that they don't waste a lot of water on frivolous things like showers.

  77. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No they want to restrict a business from selling over sized cups of sugary beverages, just like they restrict the serving sizes of alcoholic beverages.
    Oh and your pathetic attempt at linking slavery to Coke sales earns you the highly valued "Twit of the Week" award.

  78. Re:Still a bad guy by quenda · · Score: 1

    The people of Iraq are better off now than in the past 50 years.

    What!? Are you auditioning for the job of the new Iraqi Information Minister? ( replacing Comical Ali, aka Baghdad Bob.)

  79. Re:Still a bad guy by Sparticus789 · · Score: 2

    Spoken like a true Armchair General....

    First Sergeant is a rank in the military, not a duty position. And nobody who knew anything about the military would call a 1SG a duty position.

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  80. Re:Still a bad guy by rich_hudds · · Score: 1

    Actually the Taiping Rebellion was led by a Christian visionary called Hong Xiuquan and almost certainly killed more people than any of those three.

    It doesn't feature much in Western history so it gets overlooked.

  81. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Done correctly, murder can be highly profitable for the murderer (displace an ethnic minority to take their land, kill people opposing your government, stealing riches, protect your religion for heretics/infidels, etc.).

    Stab a rich guy in the alley and take his wallet...

    That just makes Batman.

  82. Re:Still a bad guy by ProfBooty · · Score: 1

    I thought estimates for deaths under stalin was 20 million on the low side to 40 million on the high side?

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  83. Re:Still a bad guy by rich_hudds · · Score: 1

    Yeah you're right, taking into account the massive differences in estimations depending on who you read, I shouldn't have said 'certainly killed more people'.

    Looks like they were probably evenly matched, although Stalin was in power for a lot longer than the 15 years of the Taiping Rebellion.

    Was trying to make the point that I've heard this 'biggest killers were all atheists' stuff before and it isn't really true.

  84. Man makes water purifier.. by 1s44c · · Score: 2

    ..tries to sell water purifier.

    He considers the target market and decides to try and sell to people who work in places where there is a shortage of water.

    What's the story again?

  85. Re:Still a bad guy by guruevi · · Score: 1

    You mean to say that those three killed more together than Hitler, the Inquisition, the crusades, both world wars and the handful of wars in recent times?

    Also, it was a communist (maoist) philosophy, not atheist. Atheism (the philosophy) did not influence their decisions.

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  86. Re:Still a bad guy by guruevi · · Score: 2

    I don't know if you were being sarcastic but just to make clear: the Nazi's were very, very much Christian. The SS belt buckle had "God with us" on it and Hitler was raised Catholic and always claimed to be a Christian but wanted to actually create a more extreme form of Christianity and make himself the Messiah.

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  87. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes in life you get places where you need to take the least bad action.

    In America we call that "an election"

  88. Re:Still a bad guy by Alioth · · Score: 1

    Move to where? Immigration rules usually stop it if you have to go to another country to find abundant water.

  89. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When you see the US espouse itself as a pinnacle of freedom and justice occupy another country for 11 years, taking resources and torturing prisoners.

    What resources is the US taking? Yep, I agree with you about torturing prisoners, but my understanding (from limited reading) is that the US is doing a damn poor job getting the resources from Iraq. You would think that if the US takes over a country for their oil (or whatever else), that it would end up controlling that oil. But, instead, it's not, which means that not only is the US a bully, it isn't even taking the lunch money. Please let me know if my understanding is wrong.

  90. Re:Still a bad guy by Mercano · · Score: 1

    And think how much economic stimulus Batman has pumped into the economy over the years acquiring all his wonderful toys. If you believe in trickle down effect, this should be good for everyone.

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  91. Re:Still a bad guy by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    . The USSR with nukes pointing at you, or put a crazy man who will not join the side with all those nukes pointing at you, we will deal with the crazy man later.

    You know, while the average person on the street was all whipped up into a froth over nukes in Russia, I'm not sure that anyone actually making decisions was. Kim-Jong is a little scary, though.

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  92. Re:Still a bad guy by jklovanc · · Score: 2

    Then perhaps immigration rules are the issue.

  93. Re:Still a bad guy by Nutria · · Score: 1

    Don't believe AC that the US installed the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party into power.

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  94. Re:Still a bad guy by Nutria · · Score: 1

    I have tremendous respect for the US Military

    Support the troops: bring them home?

    I have a lot less respect for the rich and powerful who get their politician underlings to order the invasion of a country so they can secure oil and make big profits

    Shades of Smedley Butler...

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  95. Re:Still a bad guy by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

    So... Without Batman, Wayne Industries would have specialized in porn, DRM, and GMO crops?

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  96. Re:Still a bad guy by couchslug · · Score: 2

    First Shirt is, in the Air Force, a Special Duty Assignment. Scroll down in your own reference!

    It is common to pull "alternate First Sergeant" and at least in the Air Force there are more of them than the official, diamond-wearing one-per-unit variety.

    When the Shirt deploys or goes on leave, his duty doesn't go away. The alternates get to take up the slack and can be on call if he can't be reached.

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  97. Re:Still a bad guy by Sparticus789 · · Score: 1

    First, I know very few Air Force personnel who have been in any situation in which they are in direct combat with the enemy. That's to say, I know they are out there and a lot of them are bad ass (let's avoid the "Air Force fights" flames). However most of the Air Force spends more time putting gel in their hair and hanging out at the MWR tent in theater than doing anything else. SOURCE: been there, done that.

    While you may be right about the Air Force, in both the Army and Marines, it is not a special duty assignment. Since we were discussing direct combat with the enemy, it is heavily implied that we are speaking about the Army and Marines, as they are the most likely to engage a 12-year old al-Qaeda fool planting a bomb on the side of the road.

    Given that, in the Army and Marines, a duty position is "CQ runner" or "KP" or "tower guard". First Sergeant is a rank, generally E-8. However it can be given to any NCO with a memo written by a O-5 or above to indicate that the person has been awarded the title of First Sergeant and wear the rank, yet still be in the same pay grade (E-7, etc). SOURCE: had to deal with my crappy PSG being the 1SG while we were deployed.

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  98. Re:Still a bad guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find it odd that if A is the complete opposite of B, that people still attribute A to B despite all other evidence just to protect their point of world view or in order to mentally win their argument.

  99. Re:Still a bad guy=-BooHooHoo by wganz · · Score: 1

    If that is so, then give your home, car, & iPad away and go back to wherever your ancestors originated. Oh, you're tied to those. Hypocrisy, how does it work again?

    The fact that hard work, sweat, and a populace having a sense of ethics make developed countries is lost on your mind scrambled by years of Maoist indoctrination in public schools.

  100. taking resources... by schlachter · · Score: 2

    The only resources the US has been taking are those of our citizens...and redistributing them in Afganistan and Iraq. If it was the other way around, we'd be getting rich here in the US...instead we're spending all our resources on roads, bribes, construction, keeping of the peace, and other measures abroad.

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  101. Re:Still a bad guy by shiftless · · Score: 1

    No they want to restrict a business from selling over sized cups of sugary beverages, just like they restrict the serving sizes of alcoholic beverages.

    All of which the Constitution authorizes the government to do....correct?

    Oh and your pathetic attempt at linking slavery to Coke sales earns you the highly valued "Twit of the Week" award.

    And your blindingly ignorant, short sighted, and stupid apology for fascism earns you the "Traitor to Liberty of the Year" "award."

  102. Re:Still a bad guy by shiftless · · Score: 1

    we have killed innocents and tortured prisoners, but in compared to what and whom?

    What meaning is any comparison?

    Does it make the people we've tortured and murdered hurt less or feel less dead if we're not AS evil as some other total shitholes?

  103. Re:Still a bad guy by shiftless · · Score: 1

    This does not in any way denigrate the dedication of those troops who get sent to the war IMHO.

    Sure it does. Why would anyone respect a tool? The thugs in power certainly don't.

    U.S. Air Force veteran speaking.

  104. Re:Still a bad guy by shiftless · · Score: 1

    First, I know very few Air Force personnel who have been in any situation in which they are in direct combat with the enemy.

    That speaks to your own ignorance more than anything else.

    However most of the Air Force spends more time putting gel in their hair and hanging out at the MWR tent in theater than doing anything else. SOURCE: been there, done that.

    Yeah, and most of the Army spends their time drooling on their shirts .... or filling out Air Force transfer paperwork.

    While you may be right about the Air Force, in both the Army and Marines, it is not a special duty assignment. Since we were discussing direct combat with the enemy, it is heavily implied that we are speaking about the Army and Marines, as they are the most likely to engage a 12-year old al-Qaeda fool planting a bomb on the side of the road.

    Nice ASSumptions

    My unit in the Air Force was a Combat Communications Squadron. Where do you suppose that name came from?

    Given that, in the Army and Marines, a duty position is "CQ runner" or "KP" or "tower guard". First Sergeant is a rank, generally E-8. However it can be given to any NCO with a memo written by a O-5 or above to indicate that the person has been awarded the title of First Sergeant and wear the rank, yet still be in the same pay grade (E-7, etc). SOURCE: had to deal with my crappy PSG being the 1SG while we were deployed.

    Cool story bro

  105. Re:Still a bad guy by Sparticus789 · · Score: 1

    That's to say, I know they are out there and a lot of them are bad ass (let's avoid the "Air Force fights" flames).

    Yeah, ignore what is right in front of you. Real easy to cherry-pick a statement, change the context, and make it say something else.

    If you were actually a forward air controller, then you would fall under the "bad ass" category, just like PJ's and some SF (security forces, not special forces). If you submitted their leave forms and fetched the coffee for the Commander, then not so much. So what was your actual job series, not your Unit's name?

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  106. Re:Still a bad guy by Tyndmyr · · Score: 1

    Look, nobody wants to claim Hitler as one of their own. Self-admitted fascists look down on him for giving their ideology a bad name, and the Chaplin mustache will likely never be popular again. Reasonable. However, he was raised Catholic, and wasn't excommunicated. That makes him Catholic. The use of religious phrases and what not throughout his government indicated it meant something to him. Sure, he might not believe what you believe, but even a brief examination of the history of Christianity will reveal that the same is true of basically all of them, too. Belief is a varied thing.

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  107. Re:Still a bad guy by CycleMan · · Score: 2

    You haven't provided enough info to argue that the Nazis were Christian. "God with us" -- every monotheistic religion could say that (Jewish, Christian, Muslim, etc.). And no form of Christianity holds that you can become the Messiah -- so if Adolph started wanting that, it wasn't a "more extreme form of Christianity," it was a rejection of Christianity and a pure power grab.

  108. Re:Still a bad guy by Tyndmyr · · Score: 1

    Former Air Force here. Look. You were wrong. You got called out on it. Admit you were wrong and let it go instead of getting into service rivalry pissing matches, aright? It's pretty irrelevant to the original conversation, and adds nothing to this article. Let it go.

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  109. Alternative product by houghi · · Score: 1

    When I look at the images, it might be great for large amount of people. However for the soldier in the field there is the Lifesaver. Also available in bottle and in jerrycan sizes.

    The HUGE advantage is that it can be easily used, does not need any maintenance and can be used by anybody. Yes, larger ones are available as well.

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  110. Re:Still a bad guy by Sparticus789 · · Score: 1

    Anyone pulling First Sergeant duty

    That's what was said, not "Anyone pulling First Sergeant duty in the Air Force" So while I may have been wrong about 1 out of 3 of the services which have First Sergeant rank, I am correct about 2 out of 3. OP is correct about 1 out of 3 services, and incorrect about 2 out of 3.

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  111. Re:Still a bad guy by ldobehardcore · · Score: 1

    Precisely. Thank you EvilHamster

    The high birthrate in the developing and least developed world stems from two hard facts:
    Most women there are either subjugated to the point of essentially being property, or are very poor and have little to no access to healthcare, so it follows that they are undereducated or completely uneducated. Consequently many women rely on superstition for birth control, or know about it but can't afford birth control. In much of Africa husbands will harm or even kill their wives if they take charge of their fertility in any way shape or form. That's a pretty big deterrent.

    Secondly, the infant mortality rate in many developing or least developed countries is so high that the only chance of having a child that lives to adulthood is to have many children and hope for the best.

    And on another note, many people (a little below 50%) in the third world do have to subsistence farm, and are agrarian to some extent. Even when they live in a desert they have to eat and make a living somehow.

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