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Odd Laptop-Tablet Hybrids Show PC Makers' Panic

jfruh writes "Taipei's Computex trade show has seen an array of strange devices on sale that are somewhere between PCs and tablets: laptops with screens you can twist in every direction, tablets with detachable keyboards, all-in-one PCs with detachable monitors. Some have Intel chips, some ARM chips; some run Windows 8, some Android. They all exist because of the cheap components now available, and because Windows 8 will make touch interfaces possible — but mostly they exist because PC makes are starting to freak out about being left behind by the tablet revolution."

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  1. WTF? by Jaysyn · · Score: 5, Informative

    My cousin has had an HP that did this before the iPad was a thing. It runs WinXP for Tablets.

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    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is slashdot. In this fantasy world, Apple innovates and everyone else imitates.

    2. Re:WTF? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, seriously. This is a) nothing new, and b) an example of newer technology making the idea more feasible. It has nothing to do with "freaking out".

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    3. Re:WTF? by Guspaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, it was from the "Tablet PC" era, and devices lack that were a terrible failure. People already complain that the iPad is too heavy at a pound and a half, nobody wants a six pound tablet. Admittedly, one of the major failings of the Tablet PC is being addressed with the Win8 touch interface and app ecosystem.

    4. Re:WTF? by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 4, Informative

      My cousin has had an HP that did this before the iPad was a thing. It runs WinXP for Tablets.

      Dozens or hundreds of laptops have done this for the better part of a decade.

      Also, this post is one of the worst pieces of crap I've ever seen make it onto Slashdot. TFA is a garbage bloglike post with virtually no content. The paltry information it has includes major mistakes, such as "Yet another Acer laptop, the aptly named Yoga, has a screen that folds..." The Yoga is, of course, a Lenovo product. We've talked about it before.

      Bluntly, James Niccolai and Michael Kan are both idiots who shouldn't have jobs. Soulskill was lax in posting a story that only linked to their garbage "article."

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    5. Re:WTF? by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well to set the record straight:
      - Apple wasn't the first to develop a multimedia computer (music-quality sound and full-screen video).
      - Apple wasn't the first to develop preemptive multitasking for home computers.
      - Apple wasn't the first to develop MP3 players.
      - Or tablets.
      - Or smartphones.
      - Though they were the first with laptops (I'll give them credit for that).

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    6. Re:WTF? by Jeng · · Score: 2

      If they were only planning on putting it on tablets Win8 might actually be considered good, but they are also planning on putting it on the desktop where it has no business being there.

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    7. Re:WTF? by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Informative

      >>>All I see is yet another "me too" product from Microsoft.

      Microsoft has done that for its entire life. The only really brilliant move was to attach themselves to IBM and ride them as their PC became the defacto computer standard. Elsewhere Microsoft has copied other innovators (Apple, Commodore, Atari, etc)

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    8. Re:WTF? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Funny

      But - I quote: "Windows 8 will make touch interfaces possible"

      To summarize, the world has been waiting on Windows to enable us to have touch interfaces. So, what is this "Apple" to which you refer?

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    9. Re:WTF? by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      The major failing of Tablet PC that I'm talking about is how their interface was horribly ill-suited for a tablet. At least they're doing a tablet-specific UI now.

      Well, except for tablets running Windows, or something you've bodged Linux onto ... the interfaces on the HP, RIM, Apple, and Android tablets I've seen seem to be tablet specific.

      This sounds more like "Microsoft finally has a tablet-specific UI", not that "nobody else has ever done a tablet with a proper UI".

      Yes, if you take an interface designed for a keyboard and mouse and slap it onto a tablet, it will suck. But Microsoft is hardly coming out with something that other players haven't already done.

      Or do you consider the tablet marketplace to only be relevant if Microsoft is in the game?

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    10. Re:WTF? by Missing.Matter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What is Microsoft bringing to the table that Android, or Apple, or even RIM aren't doing?

      One of the biggest things better multitasking... as in two windows running at once side by side. That's something you won't find on the iPad. Further, things like apps that work across tablet and desktop is another big one. Further better pen support. I've used a Windows 7 Tablet PC since it came out, and pen support is way beyond what Android has to offer. And since there will be x86 platforms you still have access to all the best apps and games and universal device compatibility, which is one of the biggest shortcomings of the iPad and Android tablets.

    11. Re:WTF? by bipbop · · Score: 4, Informative

      Is the laptop bit some sort of humor I don't understand? As far as I can tell, they weren't especially early on the laptop front.

    12. Re:WTF? by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      I would add to that hardware that isn't some kind of throwback to the 90s.

      How about something that can run Siri by itself and not be dependent on some compute server somewhere?

      Tablets are cool and all but they achieve their lower price point because they are using inferior hardware. Hybrid tablet laptops have existed for a long time already. They have just been expensive machines consigned to business.

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    13. Re:WTF? by Missing.Matter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sorry to self reply, but I think I missed the most obvious shortcoming (given the topic of this article) of the current tablet market: hardware variety. If I want a tablet today, I can have any I want as long as it's a 7-10" black ARM slab. What if I want a 14" tablet for drawing? What if I want one with a quad core processor. What if I want discrete graphics? What if I want an 50" tablet I can hang on my wall? And yeah, what if I want one that flips or twists or slides? These aren't available today, and with Window 8 and an variety of manufacturers in the game these will be available in the next 1-2 years.

    14. Re:WTF? by sfhock · · Score: 4, Informative

      BYOD is getting big in the corporate word. It means Bring Your Own Device, and its a way to let your employees use their favorite tablet, laptop, etc to access corporate systems and info. The security must be such that a non company owned asset can safely access company resources while still maintaining access to the outside world ( say through VPN or virtual desktop technology)

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    15. Re:WTF? by PlastikMissle · · Score: 3, Informative

      BYOD = Bring Your Own Device, i.e. devices that are owned by employees and brought with them to work.

    16. Re:WTF? by Yvanhoe · · Score: 2

      Personally I am freaking out about the fact that being root on most of these devices voids the warranty. The erosion of rights is really freaking me out.

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    17. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      They were the first company with the latop as you know it. (Apple is responsible for a whole lot of 'as you know it's, not technical firsts)

      There were lots of portable computers but nothing like the old 100. It was the first computer that was a true analog to it's desktop counterpart in the now familiar truely portable clamshell formfactor. It had the same performance as a destkop mac. Used the same media. Used the same software. Same operating system. You could even plug in the same ADB and SCSI peripherals. Macs at the time were already impressive, and to have a no-compromise portable was downright mindblowing.

      All of the other portables at the time were significant compromises in one area or another. Many had no nonvolital storage. Many used a paired down OS or software implementation. Many were just plain big and heavy. The first mac laptop had everything, and it shook up the industry. That debut presentation where he simply pulled it out of a laser printer paper tray set the audience on fire for a reason.

    18. Re:WTF? by dub42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bring your own device.

    19. Re:WTF? by mikael_j · · Score: 2

      Microsoft in the 1990s might not have been an "innovator", but they had virtually flawless execution

      Well, I suppose that's true if your definition of "flawless execution" is "products of questionable quality but excellent marketing and abuse of their dominant position on the market".

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    20. Re:WTF? by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The "Feaking Out" is from the traditional PC people. The standard, Desktop CPU, Monitor, Key Board and Mouse. Is going out. So is the normal Clam-shell Laptop.

      Performance isn't as big of a deal as it was 10/15 years ago.
      1998 There was a huge difference if you had a 486 vs a P2. Or a system with 16 Megs of ram vs 32 megs.
      Now in 2012 there is less of a difference between a Core 2 Duo and a Sandy Bridge Core i5, a System with 3gigs vs 8gigs.
      Now it isn't that the new stuff isn't orders of magnitudes faster and better. But the stuff we use computers for doesn't fully utilize the hardware anymore.
      We are preferring to say with slower computers and get systems that are smaller, longer battery, and overall just more portable. Because our needs for a computer isn't following Moors Law.

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    21. Re:WTF? by hoggoth · · Score: 2

      You are, of course, referring to the original Amiga 1000 which had music-quality sound, full-screen video, and preemptive multitasking in 1985.

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    22. Re:WTF? by ArcherB · · Score: 2

      Well - to be fair, Gnome, KDE, and Ubuntu are all trying to be Metro-sexual on the desktop as well. Hopefully, it's just a fad that will fade in a year or two.

      You are correct if you scratch KDE from the list. KDE is unique in that it does have an excellent mix of a tablet interface and the standard "Start Button" type of menu. Basically, you see the menus of the start menu as your desktop icons. You click "Graphics", and it opens the items you would see under the "Graphics" menu after clicking the K. It's works very well on my desktop and I see it working very well on tablets.

      What makes KDE different is that I can go to another desktop where I have the standard K menu setup with task manager and a desktop full of the items found in my ~/Desktop folder. There are other activities as well, but these two seem to be best mix.

      Of course, this is different from Gnome and Ubuntu in that I can choose if I want to use this interface. With Gnome and Unity, there is one interface to rule them all and it sux on all devices!

      Finally, Gnome3 and Unity are nothing like Metro. Metro is nothing more than a bastardized mix of Android widgets and the IOS interface. They took the grid layout of IOS and replaced the icon with Android Widgets. What makes Android better is that you can choose to use icons or widgets. Metro is all widgets. IOS is all icons.

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    23. Re:WTF? by mlts · · Score: 2

      Tablet PCs were pretty useful. They functioned as nice laptops, and if one did want the tablet functionality, it was a screen flip away.

      The trick would be to have ultrabooks get the 180 degree rotating screen and a touch screen. It wouldn't be as light as an iPad by any means, but it would be useful as a tablet, but when one needed to do actual heavy duty typing, the screen could be flipped around and the device used as a light notebook.

      All and all, a good idea, especially since Windows 8 will have touch ability native to it.

      I don't get why PC makers are flipping out. They just need to adapt.

      Digressing from tablets, there are a ton of markets that are untapped which PC makers could find a very lucrative niche in.

      First off, the idea of a render server. Devices on a LAN send the render server the Direct3D commands, the server does the rendering on a powerful array of GPUs, then streams the output back. The advantage of this is that games can then be played on any platform that has enough CPU and RAM. Of course, one needs a fast enough network connection, but 1GB is common, and it is only a matter of time before 10GB starts becoming common on the consumer level. PC makers could easily make a render server and sell it for a premium.

      Second is working on the Windows Home Server concept. Cloud storage is nice, but with the bandwidth fees getting jacked up, people will be going back to a home server. This would be a superset of the features in a Time Capsule. Perhaps if done right, it could function as a true SAN with FCoE (or even iSCSI) LUNs that are backed up either as snapshots or file by file, a CIFS file server, a decent firewall/wireless AP, and so on. Essentially take the DSL or cable "modem", good firewalling router that can have multiple subnets (wired and wireless), backups, and the ability to add drives which can be mirrored then stored offsite, and put this all in one device.

      Even the humble desktop box can get some changes to make it useful, especially if PC makers get a deal with Microsoft. For example, a card similar to a SIM card that is on the motherboard that stores activations. That way, the PC only needs activated for a new Windows product once with the cert stored on the SIM card. That way, in the future, if a box is licensed for Windows Server 2012, it will install and run without ever needing to activate. The SIM card allows the licenses to be moved to another box, so someone's XP license obtained in 2002 will be able to be used on a new box. This isn't perfect, as it is a lot like Steinberg's license key dongle, but if this is used as an activation "cache" as opposed to having to reactivate on any install or significant hardware modification, it can be useful.

      The plain desktop PC can also have some useful stuff added. A built in hypervisor would be useful, so people could run one OS just for work stuff that is locked down, another OS for gaming, and another OS dedicated to browsing the pr0n sites. That way, the barrier to completely owning the machine is a lot higher. With newer CPUs coming with 6+ cores, might as well use them. Add to this a disk controller that has block level deduplication functionality, and even if someone has a ton of VMs (one just for WoW, one for banking, etc.), it will only store one instance of Windows for all of those. The hypervisor could even be given different users, so Billy can run his OS without interfering with Jill's term paper.

      As for security, it isn't hard to add a decent fingerprint scanner on a desktop machine. This combined with BitLocker and a TPM chip would provide excellent security for home users who need protection against thieves. Even better, add this on the hypervisor level, so all the VMs are protected.

      The PC companies just need to start doing some R&D. Yes, desktops are not snazzy, but they do fulfill a need that nothing else really can. Laptops come close, but one isn't going to be able to upgrade to the latest video card in one that easily.

    24. Re:WTF? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      From the manufacturer's standpoint they want to make these things like appliances. If you mess with the internal workings and it stops working correctly why should they have to fix it? B If you modify your brand new Ford by installing a new fuel injection system or tweaking the onboard computer, do you expect Ford to support it? You have a right to make changes as you see fit, but I don't think you should expect the manufacturer to be liable for anything that you did. And you don't expect to use the excuse "but it was a small modification". The manufacturer can't know that.

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    25. Re:WTF? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

      'K - I'll agree that KDE might be the best of the mix, in that the menu is available, while the others work hard to hide the menu.

      But, from my point of view, there is little to choose from between one set of icons or widgets, or another. Even my old "dumb phone" (actually, a pretty new "dumb phone") gives me some limited menu options. I simply don't WANT a bunch of icons filling my screen. As a guy with crap color vision, and poor vision in general, I've spent my life learning to read the English language, and to recognize the printed word in many formats, including my various computer screens. No matter how slick a set of icons or widgets might be - I simply don't see what everyone else sees when they look at the screen.

      When I bought my phone, I searched an searched for some tool or other - saved voice mails - and couldn't find it. My boss, who has the very same phone, looked at mine, and exclaimed, "How could you miss that little red icon, right there?" All I could do was glare at her - that red icon was invisible to me.

      Gimme the printed menus and dialogues, please. ;^)

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    26. Re:WTF? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      The stylus is actually pretty nifty, since it's a full Wacom pen which is pressure sensitive and has multiple buttons. I used one for quite a while and did quite a lot of "real work" on it. It was in many ways an excellent machine and far ahead of its time.

      It was also one of the lightest laptops of any sort available at the time, something which they got right.

      Given the age, it wasn't possible to have a computer any lighter and still maintain reasonable functionality. Bear in mind that it also has Nvidia graphics, and flash drives were not really a going concern at the time and 802.11b cards still took up a good chunk of space.

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    27. Re:WTF? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2

      Also, add OSX, which seems to have iOS envy.

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    28. Re:WTF? by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Well, I suppose that's true if your definition of "flawless execution" is "products of questionable quality but excellent marketing and abuse of their dominant position on the market".

      If you count the billions in revenue, that might be a fair measure of "flawless execution".

      Microsoft was getting paid when you bought a new PC even if you didn't want Windows. I'd call that pretty good from their perspective.

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    29. Re:WTF? by idontgno · · Score: 5, Informative

      There were lots of portable computers but nothing like the old 100. It was the first computer that was a true analog to it's desktop counterpart in the now familiar truely portable clamshell formfactor.

      Data General One. 1984 (predating Macintosh Portable by 5 years and Powerbook 100 by 7). Precisely equivalent to many desktop systems of the time (IBM PC/XT standard: MS-DOS, Intel 8088 processor, floppy boot) except portable, battery-powered, and clamshell laptop format.

      Sorry. The Powerbook 100 represents an incremental evolution of the laptop idea, but it's not really ground-breaking by any unbiased standard.

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    30. Re:WTF? by idontgno · · Score: 2

      That's no laptop. Frankly, the idea of the IBM 5100 as a laptop is sustainable only in The Dozens: "Yo momma so fat her laptop's an IBM 5100!"

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    31. Re:WTF? by CannonballHead · · Score: 2

      Either that or it's a way to let employers not pay for employee's devices? ;)

    32. Re:WTF? by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They were the first company with the latop as you know it. (Apple is responsible for a whole lot of 'as you know it's, not technical firsts)

      There were lots of portable computers but nothing like the old 100. It was the first computer that was a true analog to it's desktop counterpart in the now familiar truely portable clamshell formfactor.

      Nope. The Powerbook 100 was introduced in late 1991. PC notebooks in the modern clamshell design were showing up as early as 1988. The one I remember best was a Sager 286 model. I noticed they were local to me, so I dropped by their offices and requested to see one (it retailed for over $5k, I certainly couldn't afford to buy one at the time). They brought one out and I got to touch and play with it - a glimpse of what the future held. They were so proud of it, giving me a little spiel about how they were going to upgrade it with a 16 MHz 386SX processor in a few months. They insisted on calling it a notebook, to distinguish it from the clunky laptop computers like the old Compaq Portable and Osborne.

      By 1990, the notebook form factor had gained enough traction that Intel announced the 386SL - a low power version of the 80386 made specifically for laptops. They weren't able to churn them out until the following year, but that should demonstrate that the notebook market was thriving long before Apple ever showed up to the game.

      I'm starting to wear this phrase out, but: Just because the first time you saw something was on an Apple product, doesn't mean that they invented it. (To be fair, Apple's big contribution to the form factor was the trackball, then the trackpad. Before then, you had to plug in a mouse if you were going to use it outside of DOS. One laptop had a marble trackball off by the side. The Powerbook was the first with a huge trackball smack dab in the middle.)

    33. Re:WTF? by Voyager529 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, no, I'm talking about the Tablet PC initiative

      No idea what "The Tablet PC Initiative" is -- sounds like prog rock band or something.

      I'm going to assume this was an attempt by Microsoft to innovate the future with a product they couldn't figure out how to sell to anybody? Like the Smart House or all the features in Longhorn which never happened?

      If all they were trying to do was jam XP onto a touch screen, no wonder nobody bought them.

      That sounds all well and good, until you consider a few extra things. The first person I knew with a tablet had one in 2003; it was a Fujitsu Lifebook. As a result, "no wonder no one bought them" sounds right in 2012, but requires a bit of perspective...

      In 2003, Wi-Fi was still relatively new at the consumer level. If you wanted cellular data, you would likely end up with a GPRS connection, or EDGE if you were lucky; it complimented Windows Pocket PC Edition, Palm Treos, and early Blackberry units pretty nicely. Capacitive touch wasn't practical at the consumer level; it was either resistive or the Wacom-on-glass system that they ended up using. iOS didn't exist yet (the second-gen iPod was just getting out of the gate; Apple was looking like they could afford to keep the lights on), broadband had only recently hit critical mass. ARM processors lived in devices running embedded operating systems; they were nowhere near powerful enough to run a general purpose OS. Atom didn't exist.

      In *that* world, the primary market for tablets were people taking notes with a pen. For all its faults, Windows Tablet PC Edition did a pretty impressive job of recognizing handwriting, which was good because it was the primary reason to be a tablet. Meanwhile, text entry was still king, and 5 hours of battery life was a pretty reasonable amount of time to be using your tablet.

      No one is claiming that the first generation of tablet PCs running Windows XP struck a chord with the general populous; they clearly did not. Their target demographic were students, medical professionals, and other people for whom OneNote was the killer app. There was no iOS, there was no Android, and desktop Linux was still getting its pants on regarding getting a decent desktop distribution out the door. Windows XP was just about the only thing that *could* work on the systems at hand, because Apple was just about the only company who was able to write an OS specifically for tablets and have people look at what they *could* do as opposed to what they *couldn't* do, and even that was highly based upon the fact that there were a few years' worth of iPhone OS builds behind it, during which people had built up some level of software library for that platform.

      I might not be the biggest iOS fan in existence, but you'd be hard pressed to find me a company besides Apple that would have been capable of generating demand for a new computing form factor and a new OS for the paradigm at the same time. If Microsoft released WindowsRT back in 2004 and had capacitive touch and 802.11g and an App Store and an unlocked EDGE cellular modem and sold it at $499...it would have bombed then too because the immediate reaction would be "running Office 2003/Quickbooks/AutoCAD/$WINDOWS_SOFTWARE doesn't work!" or similar complaints regarding hitting 16x16 pixel toolbar icons with a finger and being productive.

      It's not that people overlooked swivel tablets running XP because iOS was that much better, it's that the target demographic of people who would benefit from handwriting into their laptop was a very small market, and there was no Facebook, Angry Birds, or Netflix streaming to justify a tablet as a consumption device.

    34. Re:WTF? by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2

      The era of having one computer is gone. If you want to surf the web from your couch, use your tablet. If you want to work with an IDE, use your multi-monitor workstation.

    35. Re:WTF? by catmistake · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Very nice. But lets also not forget one tiny innovative ergonomic detail: Apple was the first to alter the laptop keyboard location, they moved the keys up close to the hinge and the display, to give their laptops a wrist-wrest. Subsequent to their seemingly minor but apparently brilliant innovation, you cannot find a laptop that does not have this feature. And yet "no one copies Apple!"

    36. Re:WTF? by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      >>>Windows 95 and NT/2000 ran the table and successfully murdered industry titans such as OS/2, NetWare, MacOS, and Sun Workstations as well as other minor competitors (Amiga, Linux-on-the-Desktop, etc).

      Amiga was the 2nd-best-selling computer at the time. Not exactly "minor". And Microsoft didn't really "murder" anything..... it was the Compaq, Gateway, and other IBM PC clones that crushed the competition through sheer weight of sales (already 90% share by 1995). As I said before: Microsoft just rode the wave. They got lucky to be the default OS on the near-monopoly platform.

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  2. I get it. Pc makers != Tablet makers by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Insightful
    So, let me understand it right. There is a set of PC makers. And there is a different and distinct set of entities called tablet makers. And there is no commonality between them. And any member of one set can not join the other set. The only thing to do when pc sales fall and tablet sales zoom is to freak out and put together strange chimeras.

    PC makers show chimeras in tradeshows because that is what the trade shows are meant for.

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    1. Re:I get it. Pc makers != Tablet makers by gsslay · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To be be fair, this is pretty much what TFA says, but the slashdot headline and summary sucks and totally misses the point.

      Being concerned about not being left behind in new developments and new markets is what drives innovation and competition. It's not "freaking out".

      Some will fail, some will be successful. Today's chimeras may be tomorrow's standard kit.

  3. Innovating is not "freaking out" by Minter92 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since when is innovating "freaking out". There is a long standing tradition of trying many different form factors and designs. Well at least for companies not named Apple. It's exciting to see all these possibilities. Time to move behind the frankly terrible interface of a capacitive touchscrean only.

    1. Re:Innovating is not "freaking out" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm by no means an Apple fanboy but I do think it's dishonest to deny that they've been pretty good at getting the market to move in various directions.

      The iPhone may not have been the first smartphone with a touchscreen but the user experience factor of it was strong enough that suddenly "everyone"* wanted to build something similar.

      The iPad wasn't the first tablet but it did get "everyone" to put more focus into tablets (and actually believe in the tablet market, remember when the iPad was first presented and people were debating whether there would even be a market for it?).

      The Macbook Air wasn't the first ultraportable laptop but if you look at the bulk of the Ultrabook-spec machines out there they look an awful lot like the Air, a few of them actually to the point that at a glance they can be mistaken for the Macbook Air, I find it very hard to believe that this is a coincidence.

      * I'm using quotation marks here because otherwise someone will insist that I literally meant everyone.

  4. Here's what I want as a technical user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    I want a LARGE tablet. My laptop screen is about 8in by 14in. So, what I want, is a table the size of this screen with a keyboard that has a touchpad I can attach for serious typing. I want it to have all of the ports I usually use, at a minimum this is HDMI and 2 USB ports. It should also have a headphone jack and speakers. It should run Win7, and eventually Win9 because all the software I use is windows based. The processor should be capable of handling Matlab, Mathematica and some light Solidworks. Or, for the rest of us, decent video playback in at least 720 HD.

    I would be willing to pay up to 1K for this, assuming that it will last me 3 years.

    I do NOT want a toy to play angry birds on. I do NOT want a 7 inch screen. I do NOT want a locked in App store. I do NOT need iOS animation. I do NOT want locked in Android distros with their crappy app offerings. I want something that I can use for work and read on in bed. I want a productivity tool.

    1. Re:Here's what I want as a technical user by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

      I want a pony.

    2. Re:Here's what I want as a technical user by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The beauty of capitalism and the free market is the fact that you can have your pony and the other guy can have his tablet.

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  5. Old news by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's the thing: this has been going on for laptop and cell phone manufacturers since... forever. These people don't know where the technology is going, they don't have a plan, and they arguably don't know how to make a good product. Given the technical capabilities of computers these days, it's amazing how poor a job manufacturers are doing of actually solving problems or giving people what they want.

  6. No need for freaking out by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Tablets will get their own clientele, and will never kill off laptop/PC sales, simply because they can't get powerful enough. Each class of devices has its pros and cons, and therefore, their own market segment.

    PC-s are the heavy artillery of computing: extremely powerful, but immobile. Quad-core graphics chips or no, you probably won't see someone rendering 3D models on a tablet, simply because they are not powerful enough to do what a PC's borbdingnagian graphics cards and n-core CPUs can do in a flash.
    Laptops are a sort of heavy in-betweeners: increasingly mobile but ultimately constrained by their batteries and trading processing power for uptime, increasingly powerful, but unable to match PCs due to power, heat dissipation and other constraints. They can be used for heavy lifting on the go, but should only be used thus if no better options are available.
    Tablets are the light in-betweeners: mainly fit for viewing content, not for creating it, they are ideal for sales people who can present media-rich demos to their clients, and top managers, who can use them to tie together various information sources on the go to make their decisions.
    Smartphones are the Swiss army knives: they can do anything in a pinch, but if there's a specialized tool, better use that. They are highly mobile computing platforms, almost exclusively for viewing content due to their small screens not leaving room for a virtual keyboard, but due to their always-on Internet connections, they can be used to look up information and communicate with other systems/devices on the go.

    I expect that soon, as the novelty of the iPad and other tablets wears off, and youngsters recognize that these devices are not the end-all to their computing (playing Angry Birds) problems, each platform will find their own user strata, with laptops and smartphones once again becoming the most prolific, with PCs taking sort of a back row, and tablets being mainly relegated to consumption roles instead of general purpose use or content generation.

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    1. Re:No need for freaking out by romanval · · Score: 3, Informative

      I doubt that. The vast majority of people are content consumers; while a (reletively) small portion are content creators. There will always be more televisions then tv studios, and there will always be more movie theaters then film producers. In an analog sense, there will eventually be more tablet users then laptop users, since most people just browse and lightly enter information rather then have a need for a laptop (or desktop) to achieve the same function.

  7. Re:Fanboy-ism by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 2

    Not necessarily so. Granted, tablets are almost useless for generating content, except for taking quick notes and such, but they are rather useful for watching a movie on the road, reading an ebook, or giving a presentation to a client. Laptops are too bulky to use comfortably when mobile, and PCs are immobile to start with.

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  8. Somebody please explain to me... by goruka · · Score: 2

    How is it that tablets are replacing PCs?
    Let's get the facts, historically.
    1) Microsoft and others made tablets, no one cared about it.
    2) Apple released a tablet, it sold very well..
    3) Android-based tablets also did well..
    4) Netbook sales are down , while tablet sales grow, this makes some sense, as both were meant as accessory devices.
    5) Notebook sales also down, but is it really because of tablets or because current hardware is good enough?.
    6) Microsoft releases Windows 7, a 100% Desktop OS, people is happy with it..
    7) Gnome 3, Ubutunu decide to ditch traditional desktop paradigm.
    8) Despite the success of Windows 7, Microsoft decides to deprecate desktop paradigm and move to tablet-like in Windows 8..
    9) Apple announces their OS is called "Lion", potentially meaning a big change is near, next one is Mountain Lion though..
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    So, all of sudden, the entire tech world has decided that tablets are the future and desktop & mobile UIs will converge, even though historically it is the fact that they ended up being fundamentally different what made them succeed..
    I must be stupid, but I truly and honestly still don't see why this wll happen, so I'd very much appreciate someone more tech-literate than me to explain the future.

  9. Re:Yep, X220s are popular here by Missing.Matter · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's no single design for everyone.

    Yes, this is the biggest reason Apple isn't a market share leader in most of its markets. They typically make one form factor and do it very well... and this appeals to a great many people. They do it with the iMac, the iPhone, and the iPad. But eventually manufacturers come in and fill in the gaps for people who don't prefer those form factors. For some reason, most tablets still look like the iPad, with the most notable exception being the Asus Transformer, one of the most popular Android tablets. I think as more tablets deviate from the iPad design, we'll see Apple's tablet market share shrink as others take advantage of the long tail.

    I think it's also interesting to note that, in the one space where Apple does dominate, the MP3 player market, they have a variety of models in all shapes and sizes and colors, and at almost every price point. I think if they only ever released the original hard drive iPod, it's dominance would have been short-lived. I remember on year everyone bought up the iPod nano, because they wanted an iPod but didn't have $300. Were there no nano, they would have went with another mfgr for sure. For some reason Apple doesn't do this anymore. Maybe they feel ubiquity dilutes the brand?

  10. Re:You mean like this Slashdot story from TUESDAY? by peragrin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Motorola atrix.

    In concept it is cool in practice it is still under powered.

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  11. Re:A "Real computer" by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    If you think Matlab mobile does the same thing as the real Matlab with toolboxes you've never used Matlab. Also with an X220 they can run multiple things at one, like say a screen capture program so the lecture can then by uploaded to Youtube. Also, what with being a normal Windows laptop it'll run any other software we happen to use in engineering (like Cadence, HFSS, ADS, and so on) so whatever they need to show, they can.

    Oh and there's the fact that Windows integrates nicely in to being centrally managed, and the iPad does not.

  12. Why is this "freaking out"? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    I'm not so sure I accept the premise that the variety of new portable computing platforms which combine the power of a traditional laptop with the convenience and intuitive interface of a tablet is an example of PC makers "freaking out". Why shouldn't we celebrate the new variety in approaches to portable computing?

    So who benefits from describing this rich new portable ecosystem as "freaking out"? Who benefits from characterizing a rich variety of portable computers with touch screens and choices of OS & hardware? My guess is a particular well-known California company that specializes in limiting consumers' choices when it comes to hardware/OS configurations.

    Not everyone wants exactly the same thing, you know, despite their best efforts to turn personal computing into a proprietary platform for consuming instead of a platform for computing, creating, doing.

    This article is textbook FUD. "Freaking out", indeed.

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  13. Oh... just like... by Hymer · · Score: 2

    ...Compaq Concerto from 1994 running Windows for Pen Computing ?

  14. Re:You have much to learn by RadioElectric · · Score: 2

    Matlab mobile is a remote interface for interacting with a session running on another computer.

  15. Complete misinterpretation of reality by slashmydots · · Score: 2

    This article is ridiculous. This is the same BS that everyone said about netbooks before everyone realized they suck. There's no difference between tablets and netbooks. A 1 year lifespan battery, extreme fragility, a pathetically inadequate processor for Windows or a pathetically limited OS (android), no optical drive, low lifetime and extremely limited flash memory. But wait, there's more! It's a netbook...without a keyboard. Without being able to type rapidly, any device slows to a crawl. It takes me under 1 second to type in any custom URL. On a touchscreen device, we're talking closer to 10 seconds. That's just unacceptable. Tablets are going to fail just as horribly as netbooks. I could see people getting one as a 2nd device instead of a 2nd PC for portability and space but never, ever replacing them. Microsoft is wrong, all the manufacturers are wrong, and they're all going to lose their asses just like what happened with netbooks.