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Invasive Species Ride Tsunami Debris To US Shore

An anonymous reader writes "When a floating dock the size of a boxcar washed up on a sandy beach in Oregon, beachcombers got excited because it was the largest piece of debris from last year's tsunami in Japan to show up on the West Coast. But scientists worried it represented a whole new way for invasive species of seaweed, crabs and other marine organisms to break the earth's natural barriers and further muck up the West Coast's marine environments. And more invasive species could be hitching rides on tsunami debris expected to arrive in the weeks and months to come."

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  1. More sushi! by QQBoss · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anything that brings cheaper sushi, I am all for it! Best way to resolve invasive species problems... first find a way to serve them up!

    1. Re:More sushi! by Muad'Dave · · Score: 4, Funny

      Tsunami sushi....is people!!!

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    2. Re:More sushi! by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Best way to resolve invasive species problems... first find a way to serve them up!

      Agreed!!

      Please ship some samples down here to the New Orleans area, we can find a way to cook anything....and make it taste good!!

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  2. Attention, "Fittest": by notgm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Start surviving....NOW!

    Sincerely,
    Nature.

    1. Re:Attention, "Fittest": by ArhcAngel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is the first thing I thought of. Isn't this how nature prunes and purges and refreshes itself?

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    2. Re:Attention, "Fittest": by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Indeed, this is 'natural'. Granted you could make the argument that maybe not as much 'debris' would be floating for said hitchhikers to use, but I'm guessing there would be just as much, just 'different'.

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    3. Re:Attention, "Fittest": by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I believe the concern here is mostly due to the amount of man-made debris, thus increasing the odds of invasive species transfer to well beyond what would have been found in nature. Just because "survival of the fittest" is the way nature works, doesn't mean that trying to spur on a battle royal of all the world's species is a good thing.

      But humans have been doing this since we wandered off the Savannah. Other animals have been doing this since life developed cell membranes.

      Nothing to see, move along.

      I really, really wish the various governmental departments involved in this would stop tarting this up as some Godzilla-spawned catastrophe. The hundreds of thousands of ship hulls that have discharged ballast water in foreign ports for the past 5 centuries have done more to speed this sort of thing than one tsunami. Not everything is the end of the world, even if you can get more funding that way.

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    4. Re:Attention, "Fittest": by compro01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Grab a chunk of natural, untreated wood and leave it in water for a few months.

      Like the driftwood that continually washes up on the beach?

      Driftwood isn't going to be from the other side of the planet. It will be from much closer and will make landfall before it fully waterlogs.

      It's not going to be carrying passengers across an ocean, unlike treated everything-proof wood you'd use on a ship or a dock.

      Would those passengers be likely to tolerate the CCA or other treatments over the trans-ocean journey?

      If the wood is just being used as a substrate and not as a nutrition source, quite likely.

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    5. Re:Attention, "Fittest": by eth1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sink, yes... not so sure about rot.

      I often visit lake Lewisville, and the top end of the lake (the old Lake Dallas) was impounded about 100 years ago now. The trees are STILL THERE. They rot down to the water level, then stay there as nearly invisible hazards to boaters...

    6. Re:Attention, "Fittest": by Thelasko · · Score: 3, Informative

      Grab a chunk of natural, untreated wood and leave it in water for a few months. It'll absorb water and sink like a rock, then it'll rot. It's not going to be carrying passengers across an ocean, unlike treated everything-proof wood you'd use on a ship or a dock.

      Contrary to your claim, a piece of driftwood has been floating in Crater Lake, Oregon for well over a century.

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  3. "break the earth's natural barriers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems like Tsunamis have always been around, and have always been a way for such things to happen. How is this new? How is this against nature?

    1. Re:"break the earth's natural barriers" by Relayman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Floating docks the size of boxcars are a more recent development.

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    2. Re:"break the earth's natural barriers" by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      but any different than floating tree trunks or coconut shells?

      Have you ever tried to tie a boat up to a floating coconut?

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    3. Re:"break the earth's natural barriers" by khr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Have you ever tried to tie a boat up to a floating coconut?

      A laden or unladen boat?

  4. Maybe patent officers think it's new by russotto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But scientists worried it represented a whole new way for invasive species of seaweed, crabs and other marine organisms to break the earth's natural barriers and further muck up the West Coast's marine environments.

    Tsunamis have been happening for a few billion years, and moving stuff around for just as long. Scientists realize that.

    1. Re:Maybe patent officers think it's new by rufty_tufty · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the point is that the invasive species are hitchiking a ride on "a floating dock the size of a boxcar". This is new man-made intervention.

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    2. Re:Maybe patent officers think it's new by Jhon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That was my guy reaction, too.

      But, huge GOBS of stuff that can float a REALLY long time *HASN'T* been around that long. MAYBE a tree uprooted might make it across the pacific... or maybe it would be gobbled up or weighted down by stuff in the water before it made it across the ocean.

      But a weather treated pier? Boats? Weather treated lumber for homes? Plastics? I'd think those might be more likely to make it across the ocean.

    3. Re:Maybe patent officers think it's new by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The world had a lot more trees before we showed up and cut them down. Said trees don't stand up to a tsunami and in some cases are larger than a box car.

      The size of the vehicle is relatively unimportant as long as it floats. A tree might even be better since it could be eaten on the way by many travelers, whereas a human made dock probably has treated would that isn't edible.

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    4. Re:Maybe patent officers think it's new by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But, huge GOBS of stuff that can float a REALLY long time *HASN'T* been around that long. MAYBE a tree uprooted might make it across the pacific... or maybe it would be gobbled up or weighted down by stuff in the water before it made it across the ocean.

      But a weather treated pier? Boats? Weather treated lumber for homes? Plastics? I'd think those might be more likely to make it across the ocean.

      Exactly.

      Stuff that invasive species would've lived on decomposed or deteriorated before they made it too far from their shores (or sank - waterlogged wood from trees does that). It's only in relatively modern times would something that originated somewhere be cast off and arrive at a whole new continent a year or more later still intact...

  5. A very invasive species by CdrGlork · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd hate to see those Japanese tentacle monsters I hear so much about surf their way to the US—I'm not in to that sort of thing.

    1. Re:A very invasive species by spauldo · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's OK. They're into you.

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  6. Invasive Species are No Problem for Nature by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Start surviving....NOW!

    Sincerely, Nature.

    Hmmm, you know Nature is not afraid of what will happen when these unnaturally treated pieces of wood acts as rafts for any species to traverse an ocean. Perhaps you should share some genuine concern for the effect it will have on humans. Case studies you might care to research: kudzu, zebra mussel, Asian carp and actually a lot of organisms like rats and weeds that currently traverse the Americas were brought over accidentally on ships. The full effect of them is lost to time and the Native American's knowledge of what used to be available.

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    1. Re:Invasive Species are No Problem for Nature by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Adapting to new environments isn't just for other species.

      It's the law.

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  7. Docks Are Unnaturally Treated to Resist Water by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tsunamis have been happening for a few billion years, and moving stuff around for just as long. Scientists realize that.

    The problem are the man-made materials and treated woods that will survive an ocean voyage where all other natural materials would not.

    When a floating dock the size of a boxcar washed up on a sandy beach in Oregon

    Docks survive for so long in water because the wood has to be treated or they would blister, bloat and split and become waterlogged. As a result, when one comes loose it can act as a raft indefinitely. Same goes for plastics and foam that might have been used on houses. If you threw an untreated tree or vegetation in the ocean, it would simply never make it.

    All of this will become a moot point, however, when the great pacific garbage patch finally reaches both shores and enables all water based organisms to freely traverse from Asia to North America.

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  8. Seemingly hopeless cause by istartedi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    San Francisco Bay is already home to a huge number of non-native species according to a local report. Trade through the port of Oakland is one of many culprits. There has been much talk of requiring different treatment of ship ballast tanks (internal tanks flooded with water to lower and stabilize ships).

    A one-time shot of tsunami debris is nothing compared to the steady onslaught of commerce.

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  9. Oh Great! by Widowwolf · · Score: 3, Funny

    More Illegal aliens coming to California..My taxes are sure to go up again to pay for their healthcare, schooling and welfare..And there goes more of my SSI

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  10. Answers by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1) where does "driftwood" come from then? I'm nearly certain that land-species (to say nothing of aquatic ones) have been migrating all over the world through all sorts of avenues probably about as likely or frequent as the washing up of what happens-this-time-to-be-a-manmade-object.

    I grew up around 10,000 lakes and was taught that burning driftwood is a very bad idea as it contains chlorine which is, in part, why they look bone white. If a tree falls into water and becomes driftwood, it usually loses its outer layer of bark and all of its leaves. On top of that, any animal that doesn't like chlorine probably wouldn't survive on it. Go pick up a piece of driftwood and look for barnacles ... usually all you'll find are ants and insects that have inhabited it after it washes back up. And, like you would assume, long ago anything that could live in driftwood has probably long ago made the journey by chance. So the key difference with docks is that they are often loaded with barnacles. Many of them that are in bays or calm enough water are floating boxes of wood that are chained together and simply anchored in the beach. They are flat, they often contain tons of organisms seeking shelter on the beach and when they are in water, they often have one side exposed to air (or they wouldn't be used as docks). Sure, some of these have come loose over time but what you had was thousands of them during the tsunami. So that's why the scientists are concerned and, given the large number of objects you can imagine, they may have good reason to be concerned. I don't think anyone's suggesting you quit your job and walk up and down the shore line throwing GPS devices down for the US to nuke from space but locals should take note of strange new insects or anything if they notice them.

    2) Not sure if you were joking, if so my apologies in advance for taking you literally. Of course, anyone who is interested in facts is aware that the 'great pacific garbage patch' (a colossal and deliberately sensational overstatement) is an area of sea where the density of microscopic plastic particulates is 'as high as' a single-digit number per cubic meter of water. I know a lot of people were fooled by environmentalists' clever 'accidental (?) misappropriation' of a picture of some plastic trash floating in the water into thinking that's what the patch is. It's effectively some water where there's a little more plastic DUST.

    I was not joking and I would like to simply point out that what you call "plastic dust" is actually matter and some of it is solid and was not there a hundred years ago. I cheated and I didn't say when this transformation was complete so I could be talking about fifty years or five hundred years from now -- on the other hand I also didn't say which animals and some of them don't need a solid land bridge and are perfectly capable of swimming and have adventured far and wide up the and down the Asian coast. Others are insects that just might need something solid in water to lay eggs on and then a food source. Also, let's not make this sound like some nice homogenous even flowing plastic -- it's full of garbage and shit bigger than your "dust" (and that's a Natgeo album, not some treehugger crap). The fact is that unless we stop dumping, at some point it's going to get full and solid enough to start ejecting crap into the currents that line the shores of continent(s) and that's when you will need to take notice of transcontinental species migration.

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