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Chords To 1300 Songs Analyzed Statistically For Patterns

First time accepted submitter hooktheory writes "We looked at the statistics gathered from 1300 choruses, verses, etc. of popular songs to discover the answer to a few basic questions about pop music. First we look at the relative popularity of different chords based on the frequency that they appear in the chord progressions of popular music. Then we begin to look at the relationship that different chords have with one another. To make quantitative statements about music you need to have data; lots of it. Guitar tab websites have tons of information about the chord progressions that songs use, but the quality is not very high. Just as important, the information is not in a format suitable for gathering statistics. So, over the past 2 years we've been slowly and painstakingly building up a database of songs taken mainly from the billboard 100 and analyzing them 1 at a time. At the moment the database of songs has over 1300 entries indexed. Knowing these patterns can give one a deeper more fundamental sense for how music works" This reminds me of the work done by two Rutgers grad students last year trying to find a formula for a hit song.

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  1. Interesting... by jamstar7 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just what we need, a database for the RIAA to use to play Whack-A-Mole on upcoming songwriters for 'copyright infringement'. There are only so many chord progressions possible. This will allow the holders of the eternal copyright to sue somebody because the chord progression they wrote mirrors a song their grandparents heard in the womb and thus infringes.

    Yet another argument for 7 year copyrights. Too bad we can't convince our Congresscritters of this...

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    1. Re:Interesting... by Forever+Wondering · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Just what we need, a database for the RIAA to use to play Whack-A-Mole on upcoming songwriters for 'copyright infringement'.

      This type of analysis has been going on for decades. I remember meeting a guy [circa 1992] who had a consulting business based on doing just that. He would put a [suspect] music CD into his CDROM drive and [with custom software he wrote] have it analyze the note sequences looking for fragments that matched fragments of his clients' songs/catalog. IIRC, the criterion was either 11 notes or 11 bars [I can't remember which] of music.

      There are only so many chord progressions possible.

      Per copyright law, things that have "only one way to do them" can't be copyrighted. Also, the work must be of sufficient length (e.g. a 3 chord sequence could not be copyrighted but a 50 chord sequence could). Although circuit courts have varied on this, in general, the courts have held that to grant a copyright on a short [enough] sequence is tantamount to trying use a copyright to get patent-like protection. For the most part, this gets rejected.

      For specific examples of this, read Alsup's decision in the recent Oracle/Google dispute (including the citations to precedents). Or the second Westlaw mashup (again with citations).

      This will allow the holders of the eternal copyright to sue somebody because the chord progression they wrote mirrors a song their grandparents heard in the womb and thus infringes.

      IIRC, just having a long chord sequence that matches isn't always grounds for claiming infringment. In particular, if the defendant can show that they got there through non-infringing means (e.g. they kept all their composition sheets and could prove that they created the work from scratch, it's not infringing even if a portion happens to match). Unfortunately, I can't recall the case law to cite for this [just an article I read way back when].

      Yet another argument for 7 year copyrights. Too bad we can't convince our Congresscritters of this...

      Yes, the current length is insane [and unconstitutional IMHO] ...

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    2. Re:Interesting... by SlippyToad · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't think that chord progressions are subject to copyright

      Considering how theory and harmony work, chord progressions are utterly non-copyrightable. I believe the majority of pop songs use the chords I, IV, V, I, in that order, at 120 bpm.

      The chords for "Twist and Shout," "La Bamba," and a dozen other little pop dance songs are flat-out identical. There are ONLY seven choices if you stick to simple triads in key. If you aren't playing simple triads in key, you're wandering towards jazz.

      Melody and lyric are what make a song individual. Chord progressions are like building blocks. It would be akin to patenting the fucking brick.

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  2. Axis of Awsome already figured out the formula. by theNetImp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't need no computer analysis for that.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I

    1. Re:Axis of Awsome already figured out the formula. by thereitis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd be more interested in hearing why those chord changes are popular - i.e. an explanation of their psychological effect.

      There's plenty of information culled from research sitting in Wikipedia. eg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_neuroscience_of_music

      However, a more narrative explanation would make for more interesting reading (to me, at least).

    2. Re:Axis of Awsome already figured out the formula. by bogjobber · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think that statistical analysis can glean anything terribly interesting other than confirming what we already know. Sure, an authentic cadence sounds satisfying, and because of that it's always going to very popular. But for anything even moderately more complex, most of it is going to depend on cultural factors for whether or not it becomes popular.

      Just look at the history of blues changes in western music. Go back 200 years and Beethoven was the only major European composer playing around with the V-IV progression IIRC. Most people absolutely hated it, and it sounded completely foreign to their ears. They nicknamed it coitus interruptus because it did not resolve "properly." Then blues explodes in the US, and from the 1950's on that's one of the most common progressions in Western music. Then in the 1970's everybody's so tired of blues-based rock that it gets passe again. It sounds boring. So over time it went from sounding unnatural and experimental to being so common that it was uninteresting to many musicians. Nothing about the actual theory or function of the chords changed, just cultural factors.

      Plus, it would be pretty difficult to do. Even if you spent a great deal of time on each song, it would be difficult to give consistent interpretations. Is that iii substiuting for tonic? Is that a tri-tone sub of the V, or just a passing chord? Things like that.

  3. Re:And they found that... by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Interesting

    BTW, the reason for the popularity of many chords (or lack thereof) is likely because so much pop music is guitar-centric. An A major chord would only be common if you're playing in D major, E major, A major, or sometimes in D minor (with a raised 7th).

    • Playing in D major isn't great for solo guitar work because with standard tuning, you've lost the fundamental. Now if your guitarist is willing to keep an axe in drop-D, sure, but....
    • Playing in E major results in having to play a B major chord as your V, which is kind of a clumsy chord to play (compared with many other non-complex chords, anyway).
    • The key of A major is awkward for tenors. Although the middle A is comfortable, the high A is powerfully high, and the low A is below the bottom of their usable range, so you can't safely write music that spans an octave from tonic to tonic. And even for guys with lower voices, the low A just sounds too boomy.

    You'll notice that D, major, A major, and E major are the 5th, 6th, and 7th most popular keys. And although D minor is the 4th most popular key, not all A chords in D minor are going to be major chords.

    I would also expect the probability of moving from any given chord to another would be strongly correlated with the standard chord leading rules, assuming you analyze them with numbered chord notation rather than by the actual note names. Certain chords naturally follow other chords, and although you don't have to always use such pairs in that order, good composers will tend to do so the majority of the time.

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  4. Also, The Piano Guys' remix. by antdude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Watch it on YouTube.

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  5. What Song the Sirens Sang by Charles Sheffield by multiplexo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The science fiction author Charles Sheffield wrote a story about a similar idea in the late 1970s called What Song the Sirens Sang. The protagonist is a journalist investigating a politician who has come seemingly out of nowhere and is about to be nominated for president. He discovers that the secret to the politician's success is that he has developed a theory of communications that allows him to combine words and music to evoke optimum emotional responses. Check it out, it's a short read and very good.

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  6. Re:And they found that... by Vintermann · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone who had good formal music training should know that chord function is not identical with chord progression, and function may vary from style to style. Also that different styles of music vary along different parameters. Expecting a brave new chord progression in most styles is silly. And, in those styles where you're supposed to expect "original" chord progressions like prog rock, they usually turn out to not be all that original in the big picture.

    If variation is all you want in music, white noise is provably the perfect kind of music for you.

    The current state of music is that it's more diverse and plentiful than ever.

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  7. Re:And they found that... by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, I would agree, my Minor was in music, and in Music theory classes, they gave us a list of the Bach Approved Cord Progressions.
    This has been the gold standard in Western Music for hundreds of years. Too much variations of this will sound unmusical to western ears. Popular music is about being familiar, It has been for a long time, so popular music will not stay away from the familiar. That is why professional musicians can just jam with a brand new song, by hearing where the song is and where it has been, they know where it is going to go.

    When you "Break The Rules" which you are allowed to, use need a good reason to do so. Give music that extra spice, but it is akin to a jalapeno on a burger, vs. just eating a plat full of jalapeno's (if you break the rules for no good reason)

    The Tonic (I cord)
    and the Dominate (V Cord) are usually always work with each other. The Subdominate (IV cord is sometimes used too, because it is the inverse of the Dominate). The Submediant (VI Cord) is the natural minor code with the same key Signature of the Tonic cord.

    Now the Supertonic (II Cord) is often due to a secondary dominance (The V cord of the V cord) Or used to move to a minor function from a Subdominate(IV cord).

    The Mediant (III Cord) and Leading tone (VII Cord) are used very sparingly. Primarily because the Median and the Leading tone, are key notes in letting the listener know what mode the music is in Major or Minor (The VII also can tell if you have a Natural Minor or a Melodic Minor). So these notes are usually reserved to give the music its feel, and not be the boring job of being a Cord Root. Now you may see the III and VII cord in music, however they are often not really a III or VII cord anymore, they are part after a key change in the music (often due to Secondary dominance) and sticking to the new key, for a while (now the music may have a new key signature, or just more accidentals in that area).

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