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Will Dolby's New Atmos 62.2 Format Redefine Surround Sound?

CIStud writes "Anyone who goes to see Pixar's new animated Brave film might come home with their ears ringing. Why? because Brave is the debut of Dolby Lab's new 62.2 surround sound format called Atmos, which adds new developments such as pan-through array and overhead speakers. With 62 speakers and 2 subwoofers, only a handful of theaters nationwide will be able to show the film at its full throttle. Dolby has produced a new highly informative video that talks about how movie sound has progressed from mono to stereo to LCR (left/center/right) to 5.1 and 7.1 surround sound and now Atmos. The big question is will the 62.2 format system be adapted for home theaters intent on emulating the immersive movie experience?" I've seen some busy input/output panels on home stereo equipment, but 62 channels is too many for my interconnect budget. Still, overhead sound seems like a good idea for some kinds of movie.

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  1. ...overkill...? by raydobbs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why does this remind me of the spoof commercial I saw somewhere for the 12 blade facial razor, for the ultimate in close shaves? The thing looked like a damn textbook attached to a Bic razor handle. 62 speakers sound like extreme overkill in any environment outside a professional theater.

    1. Re:...overkill...? by jonnythan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It certainly is, but two points:

      1) It will be astonishingly awesome in a professional theater.

      2) No matter how many independent channels you've recorded or mixed for a pro theater, you can always downmix them to fit your personal theater layout. It's not as possible to as effectively upmix from fewer to more channels.

      So by all means mix movies in 62.2 sound! Then give us Blu-ray discs with 7 surround channels, four ceiling channels, and two sub channels.

    2. Re:...overkill...? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh and it has to also use 64-bit/384kHz sound otherwise the superharmonic resonance won't be perfect.

    3. Re:...overkill...? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They'll make a good killing off those morons.

      And that's before you include the Monster cables.

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    4. Re:...overkill...? by Russ1642 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The vast majority of home theater setups have the rear speakers positioned terribly. Many people want their seating as far back as possible so they put the back speakers up high where you can only hear them through reflection off the front wall anyways. This problem is worse when extra side speakers come into play.

    5. Re:...overkill...? by suutar · · Score: 4, Funny

      640 speakers should be enough for anyone!

    6. Re:...overkill...? by lgw · · Score: 4, Funny

      Please, no self-respecting audiophile uses Monster Cables.

      Seriously! No audiophile would be caught dead paying $50 for a $5 cable, it's $500 for that cable, minimum! $5000 if you want the good stuff - and don't forget the vibration isolaters for your $5000 power cable!

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    7. Re:...overkill...? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because ears are a miracle of engineering, and the signal processing the brain does is similarly brilliant. The shape of the pinner - the fleshy bit - means that sounds sound different if they get into your ear canal from different directions - otherwise (and I used to wonder this as a kid) how could you tell whether a sound source was directly ahead or directly behind?

      As I recall, your brain can also use the tiny timing difference (on the order of 1/3000s) to determine distance and direction

      You can fake all of this with just two speakers (the virtual haircut is highly recommended: http://onemansblog.com/2007/05/13/get-your-virtual-haircut-and-other-auditory-illusions/), but only if the two speakers are completely isolated to each ear - i.e., through the use of headphones. And then you have to resort to a "one size fits all" mix. They record these things using dummy heads with realistic inner and outer ears - brilliantly simple.

      If you tried to do the same thing with two external speakers, both ears would hear both speakers and the effect is ruined.

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  2. no..space...left... in wall... by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Funny

    send....more.....speaker.........wire.

  3. Volume by ongelovigehond · · Score: 5, Funny

    But does the volume go to eleven ?

  4. It'll work by mostlyIT · · Score: 4, Funny
  5. Re:let's see sound fee on top the 3d fee ontop of by jerk · · Score: 5, Funny

    $4 Coke?! Fill me in with your discount method!

  6. Re:let's see sound fee on top the 3d fee ontop of by Bigby · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you buy one and have it refilled about 12 times, then it equates to $4 a Coke.

  7. Gimmick by ichthus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet another gimmick to try to get people to return to the theaters. And again, we all say, "Just make better movies."

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  8. It's all part of the Sontarans' plans! by Tetsujin · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Sontarans are going to get Atmos installed everywhere and use it to kill off people who get in their way and then, finally, use the large number of installed systems to poison our atmosphere so they can use the Earth as a cloning facility! ...See, it's a Doctor Who reference. I like that show.

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  9. That's not how it works by iluvcapra · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've seen some busy input/output panels on home stereo equipment, but 62 channels is too many for my interconnect budget. Still, overhead sound seems like a good idea for some kinds of movie.

    That's not how this system works, it supports "up to" 62 channels in the encoded signal; these are panned with metadata in the channel bitstream, and then the decoder in the theater (or home) does the math of placing the sound in the space, using prior knowledge of how many speakers you have, and their position in the room. "62.2" doesn't mean 64 speakers, it means that the format supports "up to" that many, and the theater might not have that many actual channels wired, or it might have significantly more if it's a large room, or significantly less -- they can add more speakers to get more directional resolution.

    62.2 also doesn't imply that the guy who mixed the thing was using more than 5 or 6. I'm a sound designer in Los Angeles -- just finished Men in Black 3, starting Zero Dark Thirty in a few weeks, and this is the first time I've heard of any of this. This sort of system will require software support from workstation and console vendors, and I'm dubious people will be using it for some time, even though it promises great backwards-compatiblity.

    This system appears to be an attempt to get ambisonic-like flexibility without the costs of ambisonics, principally, ambisonic encoding's inability to cope with pan divergence, the problem of "how do I send the same sound to the left and right side of the rooms simultaneously, without it going anywhere else?" It's impossible to do this in ambisonics without adding tons of second-order channels and playing with signal phase. This system might also suffer from one of ambisonic's other problems, namely, it may rely on extremely accurate speaker placement and speaker placement information.

    This system also appears to be a shot across the bow of IOSONO, which is a very different process that achieves high horizontal fidelity through a completely different technique of dubious creative utility.

    Note- IMAX has overhead sound as well, or at least a "screen-top" channel, but lacks a subwoofer channel and only has point-source surround speakers.

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  10. Re:let's see sound fee on top the 3d fee ontop of by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's nothing wrong with the term "subwoofer". It generally refers to speakers which have a response intentionally limited to somewhere between 100 and 200Hz, which is well below the 500Hz-4kHz woofer crossover frequency you'd find in typical two and three way enclosures. Probably the best definition is "a speaker that can only reproduce frequencies of wavelengths too long for us to detect the source direction" (this is why you can put a true subwoofer almost anywhere in a room, and you only need one even for stereo).

    Old woofers were huge because the enclosures were usually either simple folded baffle or sealed; the lowest wavelength that can be reproduced by such designs is proportional to the diameter of the speaker cone and either the length of the acoustic feedback path from back to front of speaker or volume of the enclosure. Thanks to the work of Neville Thiele and Richard Small in the 70s, CAD and modern manufacturing techniques it's now possible to design speakers matched to enclosures that use resonant acoustic delay lines (ports) to extend the frequency response dramatically. For these designs the speaker's excursion range, suspension stiffness and the volume of air it moves (among other factors) are more important than diameter alone*, so it's easily possible to have a 5" speaker that can reproduce down to 40Hz in a very small enclosure.

    Your mention of quadraphonic reminds me of the old joke "quadraphonic is the sound system for people with four ears". I have to agree with you about surround sound in general: the sound of anything on the screen should come from where it is on the screen because our eyes follow audio cues (something to do with millions of years of wanting to avoid being eaten I suspect). But surround ambient background noises can be quite effective when used subtly (that too is natural), extreme low frequencies that are more felt than heard do add to special effects movies, and the centre speaker doesn't hurt, so 5.1 is plenty IMO. I doubt there'd be significant benefit from extra speakers in the Y dimension, since we're less sensitive to vertical displacement and the spacing of the speakers may be too narrow for more than the first few rows to really hear a difference, but it makes more sense than 62 speakers.

    And I'm with you 100% on spoken vs written, though what I don't get is that since speaking is much slower than reading you'd think people with short attention spans would prefer...ooh, a shiny!

    *Note to nitpickers: yes, this is vastly oversimplified.

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