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The Boy Who Loved Batman

theodp writes "As a young boy, Batman producer Michael Uslan — a self-described 'ultimate comic book geek' — was traumatized to see the Caped Crusader being 'murdered' in front of his very eyes by the camp 60's TV series. 'I was horrified,' Uslan told a Harper College audience last week. 'I was horrified because the whole world was laughing at Batman, and that just killed me.' At that point, the 13-year-old vowed to teach the world about the Batman he knew, about the crusader who lurked in the shadows, about a darker, grittier superhero. As told in his memoir The Boy Who Loved Batman, he made good on that vow: Uslan has served as the executive producer of all Batman major motion pictures, from 1989's Batman to the upcoming The Dark Knight Rises (trailer)."

157 comments

  1. sofa by longk · · Score: 0

    sofa

    1. Re:sofa by Kangburra · · Score: 1

      king good

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    2. Re:sofa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Arise chicken man

    3. Re:sofa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arise chicken man

      He is waiting on Tortilla Dude and Guacamole Guy.
      The Rice and Beans Kid may or may not show up.

  2. Wait... by dohzer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So he made a few more movies where everyone laughed at Batman, and then he made Batman Begins? Why would he do that?

    1. Re:Wait... by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      batman begins?? you think that's the problem.

      problem is, this guy is obviously just riding the job and cashing cheques whilst not doing his job and relying on directors to do the their and as well producers job.
      why? BECAUSE BATMAN FOREVER AND BATMAN FUCKS BUTTBUDDY ROBIN EXISTS.

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    2. Re:Wait... by guises · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's certainly hard to explain the existence of Batman Forever and Batman and Robin in this context. The first two of that series, directed by Tim Burton, do show a batman that isn't all about camp.

      I don't see why people get all riled up over the Adam West series though, it's consistent with the comic books of the time. Most of the super hero comics were campy back then, that was just the style.

    3. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      U mad, bro?

    4. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That and they are very good. Is this "dark moody" Batman? No. This is "Heroic, if slightly awkward" Batman. The whole premise of a man having a ward was weird in the 60's - there was no other way to play it, if you wanted Batman in the 60's timeframe. So yes, they played it up and added humour. The show was thus enjoyed by adults and children on two very different levels. Personally I think this is clever.

      The thing about Batman is that it does stretch this far, and can accommodate very different interpretations. I think it very unfair to say Adam West's portrayal of Batman "killed it", instead it kept Batman relevant through the 60's. If it weren't for the Adam West Batman would the franchise still exist?

    5. Re:Wait... by medv4380 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yea, the CCA wouldn't have allowed the dark Batman to see the light of day. And that just makes Uslans claim all the more weird. He wouldn't have seen much of a difference between Campy 60's Batman TV and Campy 60's Batman Comics. If he thinks he's being honest then he's twisted his memories around to fit his world view.

    6. Re:Wait... by lessthan · · Score: 2

      When we look back now, we don't see humor, we see homosexual. That is why people try to distance themselves from the West series. Essentially, "I love Batman, but I'm not gay!" dressed up a little PC.

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    7. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When we look back now, we don't see humor, we see homosexual.

      Sure, for the people who are preoccupied with homosexuality and predisposed to see it in everything.

    8. Re:Wait... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, if people actually go back and read the Batman comics that were being written then, they're just as campy and ridiculous as the show.

      Still, the post-Burton, pre-Nolan Batman's were fucking shit-tacular. I'm actually more insulted by those movies now that I know that someone that purported to actually give a shit about the characters was involved in the production. Before I could chalk it up to Hollywood humping another property to death because it has no soul or sense of when to quit while ahead, but now I wonder if we weren't just being trolled or something.

    9. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That and they are very good.

      Oh, you...

    10. Re:Wait... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      . The whole premise of a man having a ward was weird in the 60's - there was no other way to play it,

      Wait, all men don't have wards?

      If it weren't for the Adam West Batman would the franchise still exist?

      That's silly. Of course it would.

      The show was thus enjoyed by adults and children on two very different levels.

      Not universally. I was probably about 10 when it came out and even then I realized it was stupid. I don't remember Batman as being all that campy. If it wasn't for Julie Newmar, I would have skipped it entirely. I remember being embarrassed for great actors like Burgess Meredith and Victor Buono, though they seemed to enjoy chewing up the scenery.

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    11. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A BAT CREDIT CARD?! *wild maniacal gunfire*

    12. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not just the live action Batman movies that he's been the executive producer of. He's also been the executive producer of all the animated movies and a couple of the television series.

    13. Re:Wait... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Replying to do a bad moderation.
      During that time without the campy Batman, parents would forbid kids from reading batman comics, or other things batman.
      I was a kid when Batman the animated series came out. My parents didn't have issues with it because they still thought of campy bat man. Not the Batman who the police really hate, with the exception of the commissioner.

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    14. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bat poles? Come on.

    15. Re:Wait... by heptapod · · Score: 1

      I remember being annoyed at the Batman tv show when they replaced Julie Newmar with Eartha Kitt. Stopped watching it and was selective about the reruns I caught.

    16. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A movie which has "Holey rusted metal, Batman" is fine by me.

    17. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      reread the parent....he was referring to the same movies you are. BB is when it turns good based on his comment.

    18. Re:Wait... by Hentes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Still, the post-Burton, pre-Nolan Batman's were fucking shit-tacular.

      You obviously haven't seen the Animated Series.

    19. Re:Wait... by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      The whole premise of a man having a ward was weird in the 60's

      I know some people claimed there was a homoerotic subtext, but I really don't recall Adam West's character actually "having his Ward" on screen. :-O

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    20. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The series was perceived as just as campy and homoerotic back when it aired as it is today -- some of us were just too young back then to catch it. And I have never heard someone try to distance themselves uncomfortably from that series in order to defend their appreciation for other Batman franchises; that's just childish and pathetic.

    21. Re:Wait... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      I read the comic adaptations of the first 20 or so episodes back when I was still collecting comics, but honestly they didn't really grab me, either. Unless there's something deep and meaningful in the actual show that the comics weren't able to convey...

    22. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your point is invalid.

    23. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read the comic adaptations of the first 20 or so episodes back when I was still collecting comics, but honestly they didn't really grab me, either. Unless there's something deep and meaningful in the actual show that the comics weren't able to convey...

      The Clayface episode was great.

    24. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not as mad as I am about Batman Forever. That movie single-handedly destroyed all that is Batman in a far more damaging way than some campy 60s tv shows ever could -- because, unlike the tv show, the movie took itself seriously, and as a result, its savagery is all the less forgivable.

      There are no words for how low and despicable is a high-visibility, mass-market Batman story which destroys the core of the Batman mystique -- the idea of the schizophrenic, with one perfectly-adjusted, uber-successful personality and another personality which is a costumed, criminal vigilante, essentially indistinguishable from his villainous foes, created by the traumatic experience of witnessing his parents' murder.

      The movie commits the unforgivable act of destroying this perfect, successful hero image by having him come to terms with his parents' deaths, healing his riven psyche and merging the two halfs of his personality into a healthy, realized whole. And the catalyst for, the mechanism of, the reason for this romantic, girly, unforgivable healing event? The love of a woman! Ah, the ultimate betrayal of the Batman character to the mercenary sensibilities of the Hollywood marketing machine: the ultimate loner has a stereotypical Happy Ending due to True Love!

      All responsible parties should be held accountable, by means of either large fines or public torture.

    25. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would hardly be a subtext.

      The amusement came from the fact that it was a double entendre - that the characters were (seemingly) unaware of. Go watch it, now you'll see it (as a child I didn't).

    26. Re:Wait... by guises · · Score: 1

      Didn't they take out that line when it was released on video? I recall there were a couple scenes like that which were edited in order to, I guess, make the movie worse.

      The point however, is that that line is explicitly a reference to the TV show from which this guy is claiming to want to distance himself and the Batman franchise.

    27. Re:Wait... by kanto · · Score: 1

      What is Batman without a little bit of camp? It's Christian Bale, one of the most boring actors ever. Personally I liked Batman, Batman Returns and even Batman Forever; I was a teen back then, but still they had solid actors and for films of their time they looked good.

      After that it's been at best ok... I'm not sure why Bale is incapable of actual facial expressions, but from the looks of it it's contagious.

    28. Re:Wait... by Artifakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It wasn't just the style, it was the COMICS CODE. When the code was adopted, it forbid showing realistic means to commit crimes - so there goes the detective aspect of Detective comics (featuring none other than Batman). Batman now had to solve unrealistic murders and thefts only. The code forbid making criminals look attractive, so you had to make all the villians scarred, disfigured, or warped in some obvious ways. (Hence not just the Joker and Two-face, but eventually the DiVito Penguin with flipper-hands, horrible teeth, and obesity). The code said police and officials had to be shown as upright and honest, so no cops on the take plotlines. The code tried to stop all sorts of graphic horror and violence, so what was left as a way to deal with a bunch of insane, strange looking people out committing crimes? Mockery and Humor, or go where TV was not about to go - into serious introspection. As people eventually realized, one of the things the code said, in effect, was "Hey kids, trust beautiful people, but the disabled are all criminals!". I don't particularly get riled up over the Adam West series - it's just part of the same screwed up society that wouldn't show some The Prisoner episodes because they were seen as critical of the Viet Nam war. As you point out, TV was just following the comics of the time. But the comics of the time were seriously screwed up because of the code.

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    29. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because fire fighters would never use poles!

    30. Re:Wait... by ildon · · Score: 1

      If he thinks he's being honest then he's twisted his memories around to fit his world view.

      Fishsticks.

    31. Re:Wait... by ildon · · Score: 1

      Compared to everything else that was on during the afternoon cartoon slot, that show was basically a masterpiece. Compared to the comic stories of the time it probably doesn't stand out so much.

    32. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like to imagine a cross over between American Psycho and The Dark Knight, where Bale is actually a cannibalistic serial killer who moonlights as Batman..

    33. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only closet homosexuals who want to deny their sexuality care about distancing themselves from something that may be seen as homoerotic. There's nothing wrong with homosexuality, so there is no need to fear it or try to distance yourself from something that could be viewed as "gay".

    34. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Batman seen in Batman: The Animated Series is considered by many to be THE Batman, as he's a mix of all the best versions of Batman from the comics. It's as though he's the archetypal Batman, rather than just another variation himself. The voice cast they assembled is one of the best I've ever heard for a Batman show, with Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill knocking it out of the park with Bruce Wayne/Batman and The Joker, respectively. It also helped that, for the initial run, they got some really top notch animation for the show.

      That's not to mention the individual greatness of some of the episodes. Heart of Ice ranks up there as one of my all-time favorite episodes of anything, and was properly rewarded with an Emmy at the time. Feat of Clay and Robin's Reckoning are great two-parters, and I think Robin's Reckoning also won an Emmy.

    35. Re:Wait... by tragedy · · Score: 2

      That wasn't exactly the style of the time. It was the result of censorship. The comic books of the time were laboring under the Comics Code Authority. The powers that be had decided that comic books were the devil and the big comics companies struck the standard devils bargain to censor themselves to avoid having censorship thrust on them. One bit of fallout from this was the era of Batman comics that the Adam West series was based on.

    36. Re:Wait... by tragedy · · Score: 1

      Which fails to explain Joel Shumacher and rubber batnipples.

    37. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like to imagine a cross over between American Psycho and The Dark Knight, where Bale is actually a cannibalistic serial killer who moonlights as Batman..

      Watch Dexter then, that's close enough.

    38. Re:Wait... by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      Agreed, that cartoon was the best of the lot. That Batman was the closest to the 'Detective Batman' comic books. 'Detective Batman' was a dark, kickass, one-man judge/jury/executioner type. No way in these politically correct times they'd do a movie based on that Batman, too many impressionable minds to worry about these days. A shame though, you were a street thug and screwed with detective Batman, you'ld be thrown off a rooftop without a seconds hesitation. No other rendition of Batman can ever compare to that twisted one

    39. Re:Wait... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The love of a woman! Ah, the ultimate betrayal of the Batman character

      Exactly, we all know Batman's gay.

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    40. Re:Wait... by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      Batman, in the Detective title or his own title, has not been an executioner since the 40's. The high value to which he considered life is a defining character trait.

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    41. Re:Wait... by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      If they did, they put it back in for the BluRay.

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    42. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whenever I buy a batman graphic novel that is the batman I'm looking for. I can't seem to find him though. I grew up on the 90's cartoon.

    43. Re:Wait... by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

      You have confused the Director with the Producer. Burton did, in fact, direct those films, but they were still produced by Michael Uslan. Citation here.

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    44. Re:Wait... by guises · · Score: 1

      No, I got that. The point was that Uslan is claiming that he wanted to get away from Batman as a camp figure, and the two movies directed by Burton (and produced by Uslan) did indeed do that, but the last two movies (also produced by Uslan) were very much camp and that fact is hard to reconcile with what Uslan said.

    45. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Replying to do a bad moderation.

      How'd that work out for you?

    46. Re:Wait... by unitron · · Score: 1

      I think you have been mislead by the comic books having been changed to be more like the TV show, just as the Batmobile was.

      The Marvel comics, in the early to mid '60s, introduced a certain wisecracking humor that the DC titles had not had, but the "camp" was introduced with the TV show. It wasn't in the comics before that.

      Batman, in the comics, was impressive because he had developed himself physically, since he didn't have superpowers, and because he was smart.

      He had some gadgets that came in handy, but it didn't rise to the level of ridiculousness that it did in the TV show.

      And the dialogue wasn't as horrible as the TV show's.

      Actually, very little before or since in human history has been as horrible as the dialogue on the Batman TV show.

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    47. Re:Wait... by unitron · · Score: 1

      Tom Baker, of Dr. Who fame, had his Ward, both on-screen and off.

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    48. Re:Wait... by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

      You're right, I missed your point. Sorry.

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  3. All of them, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because bat nipples, the hockey team from hell, "I'll get drive thru", turning Two Face into a cackling idiot side kick, the Riddler being nothing but a Jim Carry character in disguise, the Joker being Jack playing Jack (NOTHING to do with the joker character), or a host of other horrid things in those late 80's/early 90's movies really did a lot to help Batman's image.

    Until Begins, NO ONE captured Batman on the big screen properly. The Animated series did as good of a job as possible at the time, but don't give this jackass credit, when was involved with projects that did just as much bad as good.

    1. Re:All of them, huh? by bhagwad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nolan's batman is no less funny. Short, with an undecipherable fake voice, horrible fighting style, a moping bruce wayne...don't get me started. Jesus I don't know why any comic book fan would like this latest set of Batman movies. But everyone else seems to think they're the cat's whiskers.

    2. Re:All of them, huh? by Hentes · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Batman was never about the main character himself, but his foes.

    3. Re:All of them, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's ultimately the case with any quality super hero. The hero is only as great as the villains and Batman has some of the greatest villains ever created. Same goes for James Bond, the Bond films that don't work are generally the ones where the villain sucked.

    4. Re:All of them, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Batman's foes are almost all just insane. Only a few are anything more than 1 dimensional looney madmen. Those few are interesting, but the majority are just silly.

    5. Re:All of them, huh? by jollyreaper · · Score: 2

      There's only a handful of signature villains who are interesting.

      The Joker, obviously, but he's ironically of limited use because you quickly run into "why doesn't Bats just kill him already?" territory.

      Catwoman has the potential for an interesting dynamic because she's not evil and is mainly about being an incomplete Robin Hood, stealing from the rich and then not giving to the poor. :) So while she's technically a criminal, she's more of a foil. Batman uses his training to serve others, she uses her training to serve herself.

      The Penguin is a really stupid concept from top to bottom. A fat FDR with lethal trick umbrellas?

      The Riddler is even dumber. Doesn't have any powers, just an obsession with being an annoying prat. How is Batman even taking more than a half hour to defeat him?

      Two-Face, he's just nutso. Insanity isn't a superpower.

      After that you have to move into villains who have bad science superpowers. Freeze, Scarecrow, Poison Ivy. Then there's Jeff Dunham with a mobster dummy, I mean WTF? Some fucking idiot who does calendar crimes. It gets dumber and dumber from there on out.

      In reality, nobody escapes from supermax. Bats puts someone away, he stays put away. But if Batman's reality is that any prison can be escaped, he'd better kill those villains dead or else more people will die. Do that and you don't have a story. Don't do that and you have a wallbanger plot hole.

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    6. Re:All of them, huh? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Until Begins, NO ONE captured *that particular* Batman on the big screen properly.

      TFTFY
       
      What you young'uns don't seem to realize is that there isn't "a" Batman to capture - there's a whole string of different interpretations across the years. As with so much else, there never was a golden age.

    7. Re:All of them, huh? by gohmifune · · Score: 3, Interesting

      People escape from Arkham, which is technically a hospital. There are very few escapes from Blackgate, which is the prison. Also, most Batman villains represent an attribute of Batman, which leads to a conflict. Riddler, for instance, is the Batman's intelligence, Two-Face is the Batman's sense of justice. Most of his villains is an equal-opposite which is what makes them significant. Also, the Penguin is awesome. Batman has few villains he can interact with as Batman AND Bruce Wayne. Penguin doesn't use trick umbrellas that often by the way.

  4. Mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's perfectly possible to be a homosexual Batman lover without being latent.

  5. I preferred the camp batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Clods!

  6. burnt toast offering by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    I luv Baman Piderman.

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  7. Know this! by kurt555gs · · Score: 5, Funny

    Adam West is the one true Batman!

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    1. Re:Know this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Mayor of Quahog is Batman?

      I thought Gotham was in New Jersey, not Rhode Island.

    2. Re:Know this! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      And, like a number of Hollywood famous, went on to successfully run for office as a mayor.

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    3. Re:Know this! by BobNET · · Score: 3, Funny

      And the only true Catwoman is Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether, or Eartha Kitt!

  8. Did anyone check the count? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Did anyone check the midichlorian count on that boy? Seems to be a little too preoccupied with the "dark" side.

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  9. Phew! I thought this'd be another rectum surgery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    story with an embarrassing beginning.

  10. Oh God no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Did anyone check the midichlorian count on that boy? Seems to be a little too preoccupied with the "dark" side.

    Wait wait, don't start a Batman vs. Star Wars argument!

    The Star Trek vs Star Wars was bad enough - especially after seeing Star Trek get its ass kicked for being worse than Star Wars! Of course, I'm not one of those losers who is concerned about such nonsense! Having to defend the obvious superiority of Star Wars over Star Trek is just beneath me.

    1. Re:Oh God no! by lennier · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait wait, don't start a Batman vs. Star Wars argument!

      Ooh but let's!

      1. Dresses in dark colours with cape and mask.
      2. Is a reclusive loner who doesn't play by the book
      3. Emotionally scarred by the death of a parent.
      4. Dedicated his life to ridding society of criminal scum.
      5. Is competent in close-quarters combat without firearms
      6. Has a son who follows his father's ways but with a different philosophy
      7. Uses his advanced mental powers to keep enemies terrified and off-guard
      8. Meets in secret with an authority figure who acts as a mentor, but doesn't always follow their advice
      9. Flies a distinctive personal vehicle with curved wings

      10. Can choke people over a videophone
      vs
      10. Carries exploding shark repellant at all times

      I think it's a tie.

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    2. Re:Oh God no! by sco08y · · Score: 1

      Having to defend the obvious superiority of Star Wars over Star Trek is just beneath me.

      I see what you did there.

    3. Re:Oh God no! by Kjella · · Score: 1

      10. Can choke people over a videophone
      vs
      10. Carries exploding shark repellant at all times

      I think it's a tie.

      If you can get a "Can choke people over the Internet" upgrade with that, then hell no that's no tie. You can keep your shark repellant...

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    4. Re:Oh God no! by unitron · · Score: 1

      Not to mention being able to solve the problem of all of those people on the internet who are still wrong and finally get some sleep.

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  11. ...a man having a ward... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...The whole premise of a man having a ward was weird in the 60's ...

    Can somebody explain this? What is a ward in this context? Why would it be strange for a man to have one?

    1. Re:...a man having a ward... by JustOK · · Score: 2, Funny

      A ward is part of a building or complex, such as a hospital. Usually, someone with as much money as Batmane Wayne would have a whole wing. Saying he had a ward was just part of his cover identity.

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    2. Re:...a man having a ward... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps he meant to capitalize it. Not all of us have a Burt Ward, after all.

    3. Re:...a man having a ward... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:...a man having a ward... by Golddess · · Score: 1

      I think the other AC was talking about Dick Grayson as being a ward of Bruce Wayne's.

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    5. Re:...a man having a ward... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As that AC, I can confirm that is EXACTLY what I was referring to (sorry, I did think it was obvious - probably due to my advancing years).

    6. Re:...a man having a ward... by Kittenman · · Score: 1

      Wait - so Bruce Wayne was disguising himself as a hospital? Wow, what a great cover for a superhero.

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    7. Re:...a man having a ward... by tragedy · · Score: 1

      In this context, a ward is a foster kid.

    8. Re:...a man having a ward... by sco08y · · Score: 1

      A ward is part of a building or complex, such as a hospital.

      No, no, a ward is something you use to shield yourself from something, hence the phrase "to ward X off". He'd have a different ward depending on the villain, for example, when he went up against Mr. Freeze he'd be wearing the Bat Thermal Underwear.

  12. "Fgt fgt, bite my buuuutt" -- Po about Tinky Winky by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    people who are preoccupied with homosexuality and predisposed to see it in everything

    The problem is how common such people are in modern American society. Otherwise, we wouldn't have had the Teletubbies scandal with Po accused of calling Tinky Winky a "faggot faggot" over purple fur, a triangular antenna, and a purse.

  13. Re:He must be a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is perfectly possible for a boy to love a bat without there being any sexual attraction hence no need for homosex in the equation.

  14. ...only before we had the prequels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...especially after seeing Star Trek get its ass kicked for being worse than Star Wars! ...

    That was only before we had the prequels...

    1. Re:...only before we had the prequels... by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      ...or JJ Abrams' retarded reboot.

    2. Re:...only before we had the prequels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PLEASE! I'm trying SO hard to pretend that never happened (now I know how all those poor Star Wars fans felt when the prequels hit, I'm really sorry guys, I didn't understand!)

  15. Net Worth? by Cinnaman · · Score: 1

    Was is his net worth, he refused to divulge it when he was interviewed by Ian Punnett on Coast to Coast AM several months ago.

    1. Re:Net Worth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard that interview, too. I think he also refused to disclose how much he paid for the rights.

    2. Re:Net Worth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL @ Coast to Coast AM. You actually listen to that?

    3. Re:Net Worth? by Cinnaman · · Score: 1

      I believe he mentioned that, it was only like $7,000 in the late seventies.

  16. Re:He must be a by JustOK · · Score: 1

    Latex

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  17. Riiiiiiight by SilverJets · · Score: 4, Insightful

    FTFA
    At that point, the 13-year-old vowed to teach the world about the Batman he knew, about the crusader who lurked in the shadows, about a darker, grittier superhero.

    And then he goes out and becomes executive producer of Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, and the shit-tastic Halley Berry classic Catwoman.

    More like he wanted to show the world that he could cash in on the caped crusader as much as everyone else.

  18. 60's batman was awesome by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    Sorry he has issues over an imaginary character but I'll take 60's batman over the 90's films any day. The Bale versions aren't bad but that doesn't change that 60's batman was awesome.

    1. Re:60's batman was awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I like the '60s era stuff, Tim Burton's films and the Nolan films, most of the rest of them are an embarrassment though.

    2. Re:60's batman was awesome by kikito · · Score: 1

      I call dibs on the dark cartoon Batman.

  19. The TV Show no different than the Comic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At the time of the TV show, the comic was intended for little kids. It was "camp". Its only when those kids refused to grow up, and were still reading comics that the comics become "gritty". Batman was not "the dark knight" than, he was a humorless goody two shoes, fighting silly villians.

    If you don't like the TV show, you have to dislike the Batman of the 50's and early 60's for the same reason.

  20. Robin is underrated... by poly_pusher · · Score: 1

    Robin has been around since 1940. He's actually a very important part of the Batman story. Unfortunately, unlike Batman he never got a good face lift for the films. Jason Todd would probably change your opinion of Robin. That is to say, as long as Batman could keep him from almost killing you.

    1. Re: Robin is underrated... by flargleblarg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Have you seen the fan-made trailer for a movie called "Grayson"? It's remarkably good. They never made it into a full movie, but when you watch the trailer, you can't help wishing they did:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQyfQ7RMOXs

    2. Re: Robin is underrated... by flargleblarg · · Score: 1

      P.S. — Hmm... But evidently you can read the screenplay, which is online here in PDF format:

      http://www.untamedcinema.com/

    3. Re:Robin is underrated... by ildon · · Score: 1

      He's pretty clearly not talking about the concept of Robin in general, but specifically the move titled Batman and Robin which was as much of a campy, shitty, pile of garbage that everyone laughed at as the 60s TV show was that the producer claimed to have hated.

    4. Re: Robin is underrated... by RMingin · · Score: 1

      That's.... surprisingly good, for a fan-made short. I wonder if the script could have carried an hour+ of that heavy-handed melodrama, though. The budget, to be done right, would be astronomical.

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    5. Re: Robin is underrated... by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      That's.... surprisingly good, for a fan-made short.

      That's... really not saying a great deal.

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  21. Before we puff him too hard... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Well.

    Was he responsible for hiring Michael Keaton who, you young'uns don't realize, not having lived through this terrifying time, was comedic actor Beetlejuice. The horrors that arose as we feared a return to that very campy 60's. I don't know if fan outrage changed things but...

    Was he responsible for the zookeeper parade of characters after the first, oriented around a billion dollars of toy sales, the same BS which brought us Jar-Jar?

    And the 1960's Catwomen were way better, too.

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    1. Re:Before we puff him too hard... by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      No, Tim Burton was the one who insisted on Keaton. Now, even Keaton thought it'd be campy, until Burton showed him Frank Miller's stuff.

    2. Re:Before we puff him too hard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The studio wasn't happy with the first two Batman movies from Burton - too dark, too scary for kids, and not toyetic enough. They hired on Joel Schumaker and told him to make it more kid-friendly and toyetic. And then the rest was history.

  22. A masked crusader is always a masked clown... by it5complicated · · Score: 2

    You wanna make a movie about a crusader who lurked in the shadows, a darker, grittier superhero, then make a movie about Lavrenty Beria. Don't make movies about men in silly masks and also expect people not to laugh.

    1. Re:A masked crusader is always a masked clown... by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      I would hardly call Beria a superhero.......https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beria

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    2. Re:A masked crusader is always a masked clown... by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Lavrenty Beria - Werewolf Hunter

      Before he was the head of the NKVD, Beria took heads... werewolf heads.

      Fall 2012.

    3. Re:A masked crusader is always a masked clown... by it5complicated · · Score: 1

      See, he was a evil monster who balanced Sovs against America. If you are a morally upright superhero, then you are really an angel or a comic book character. No human can stand up to high levels of moral rectitude and still do things superheroes do. They call the Comedian in Watchmen a superhero. Not to mention Adrian Veidt.

  23. Not All Batman Major Motion Pictures by guttentag · · Score: 1

    Uslan has served as the executive producer of all Batman major motion pictures, from 1989's Batman to the upcoming The Dark Knight Rises (trailer).

    That's not "all" of the Batman major motion pictures. You seem to be forgetting Batman: The Movie, in which the Penguin dehydrates members of the U.N. security council, reducing them to piles of... stuff... and somehow manages to rehydrate them with everything perfectly back in place and functioning. True, most people have worked hard to forget this movie over the last half-century, and if you hadn't made this ridiculously-grandiose claim I wouldn't have had to remember it either.

    1. Re:Not All Batman Major Motion Pictures by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      The biggest plot hole in that flick is that someone noticed the UN security council going missing. Oh no, you dehydrated the UN Security Council! Now they're getting exactly the same amount of stuff done that they were doing before! How will the world survive?

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    2. Re:Not All Batman Major Motion Pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since 1966 is before 1989, you are incorrect. The sentence that you quoted would have been better if the comma were deleted, but criticizing extra commas on Slashdot is (to quote Martin Sheen) like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.

    3. Re:Not All Batman Major Motion Pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are several other Batman movies: Mask of the Phantasm, Subzero, and Return of the Joker. None of those were bad.

    4. Re:Not All Batman Major Motion Pictures by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      Everything was not perfectly back in place and functioning! None of the security council members was speaking his own language!

  24. Why? Here's why. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This "article" is marketing for the new movie. As such the substance is quite meaningless to consider in any depth. The take-away message is "new Batman movie coming, we think you should see it".

    Thanks.

  25. seriously? by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    How can you take him serious as he also produced the awfull Batman forever and Batman and robin, those were worse than the entertaining 60's series and movie.

    But who cares anyway, batman is an entertaining comic, nothing more nothing less..

  26. It was *supposed* to be funny. by itsdapead · · Score: 1

    reducing them to piles of... stuff... and somehow manages to rehydrate them [wikipedia.org] with everything perfectly back in place and functioning.

    Holy Parody Batman! I think you may be taking that film a bit too seriously. People are talking as if it was a serious attempt to bring Batman to the screen rather than a deliberate comedy send-up of superhero comics.

    The film also included a porpoise heroically throwing itself in front of a torpedo to save our heroes, a string of nuns, kittens and ducklings getting in the way when Bats was trying to throw away a bomb, and water faucets marked "regular" and "heavy".

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  27. Wait, by axlr8or · · Score: 1

    So.... This guy is responsible for the satanic, mentally disturbed, dysfunctional, mutated, disfigured, amoral, unethical, violent, twisted, sick, dark, cast of superhero vigilante and villains that we know today? The same one's that have provided a more suitable motif for the low quality of law enforcement that we have now, and have been responsible for training our bullies under the guise of 'leadership'. Can't... we.... compromise with My Little Pony? I feel dirty. Maybe its just my speling.

    1. Re:Wait, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever. I would have been been 15 when the TV show came out in 1966. To a 15 or more so a 10 year old boy in 1966 the show could easily carry the hurt of disrespect. I had a love-hate relationship with the show. I was thrilled that one of my comic heroes was on TV, but did not like the fact that it was making fun of the genre.

      The real evil behind it all goes back to the 50's, when Congress and the real evil, the PTA, decided:
      1. if fiction had hand drawn illustrations, we can set aside the First Amendment to 'protect the children.'
      2. if fiction had hand drawn illustrations, we can ignore the possibility that it could be made for and read by adults
      3. Not only are adult themes to be banned, anything we don't like or understand artistically is banned. For example, a comic page should be divided into 6 equal sections. Weird art like a character looming large in one square and eclipsing other squares is also reason to suspect it of something, subversion, immorality, etc.

      That is my rant, and I'm sticking to it.

      Oh, yeah, cops can be pigs who support the power elite. What else is new? We need super heroes to smash bad cops heads in.

    2. Re:Wait, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect that the only playing field of compromise would be MLPP

    3. Re:Wait, by unitron · · Score: 1

      "I would have been been 15 when the TV show came out in 1966...I was thrilled that one of my comic heroes was on TV, but did not like the fact that it was making fun of the genre."

      Are you sure you aren't me?

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  28. In what episode was Batman murdered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think I vaguely remember that. The police gunned down Batman, and Robin, in a alley. But I have not seen that episode in over 40 years.

    I also seem to vaguely remember, at that time, a lot of comedy shows were considered too violent: Get Smart, McHale's Navy, maybe a few others.

    1. Re:In what episode was Batman murdered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember seeing the first episode that had Mr. Freeze, when he froze a butler solid and knocked him over. You didn't see him smash on the floor, you just heard it.

      That gave me nightmares.

  29. Slashvertisement with underwear worn outside... by bayankaran · · Score: 1

    If this post is not an advertisement for an upcoming film, I do not know what else it is!!!

    Most of the slashvertisements are posted by Soulskill...is it a real person or some algorithm running on a Windows ME PC?

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    1. Re:Slashvertisement with underwear worn outside... by BanHammor · · Score: 1

      Do you really think that it would be needed to advertise Dark Knight Rises on slashdot? Everybody here worth his salt knows about the film already, and already knows if he will watch it.

  30. seriously? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Ok, I agree with his premise, but if he was executive producer of all Batman movies since 1989, what the hell happened with Batman and Robin (1997)? It took a lot of courage to make another Batman film after that piece of shite.

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  31. The Boy Who Hated Adam West by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy Hypocrisy Batman, we need the bat-revisionist self-promoter repellant!

     

  32. Re:"Fgt fgt, bite my buuuutt" -- Po about Tinky Wi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why does every comment that is not absolutely positive about America have some self-entitled, politically correct idiot complaining that he is offended?

  33. Next up on Slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Man Who Loved Batboy!

    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Boy_%28character%29 for the younger readers)

  34. Re:He must be a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So he does mathematical typesetting?

  35. Re:"Fgt fgt, bite my buuuutt" -- Po about Tinky Wi by bluemonq · · Score: 1

    Ironically, the actress who played Po would go on to portray a lesbian in a British TV drama.

  36. Quick! Get him the original TMNT comics! by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    Campy yet gritty. Trained assassins bent on revenge who happen to be anthropomorphic mutant turtles.

  37. 2 words by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    Nipple suit. I rest my case.

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  38. Camp 60s TV series. by antdude · · Score: 1

    "... was traumatized to see the Caped Crusader being 'murdered' in front of his very eyes by the camp 60's TV series..."

    Huh? Which episode was that? I don't remember that one.

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  39. cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i live right near harper and this is my daily newspaper, cool !

  40. Re:"Fgt fgt, bite my buuuutt" -- Po about Tinky Wi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Teletubbies is gay.

  41. I write what I know by tepples · · Score: 2

    why does every story on slashdot always have to have a +5 insightful thread bashing America?

    Actually, it's because I happen not to be familiar with how common this homophobia might be outside my home country the United States (other than in Islamic states, of course).

  42. Re:"Fgt fgt, bite my buuuutt" -- Po about Tinky Wi by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

    Yeah, because genderless stuffed animals wearing the same getup and using homosexual iconography as homosexuals during Gay Pride Day in San Francisco is a bit of a leap...

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  43. Re:"Fgt fgt, bite my buuuutt" -- Po about Tinky Wi by sco08y · · Score: 1

    The GP had to go back twelve years to find a few assholes arguing about teletubbies as evidence of the awfulness of American society; that's the best proof of America's laid back and tolerant nature I've ever seen.

    For gods sake, why does every story on slashdot always have to have a +5 insightful thread bashing America?

    Because there are Canadians and Eurotrash mods who think every idiot remark bashing the US is brilliantly clever and daring, so it's pretty much free karma.

  44. Re:"Fgt fgt, bite my buuuutt" -- Po about Tinky Wi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The GP had to go back twelve years to find a few assholes arguing about teletubbies as evidence of the awfulness of American society; that's the best proof of America's laid back and tolerant nature I've ever seen.

    Firstly, no; he really didn't. He did go back twelve years, but he didn't have to. Secondly, he wasn't proffering it as evidence of "the awfulness of American society". Thirdly, I'd like to point out the irony of your comment, considering it's in reply to a discussion of people who are predisposed to seeing things where they don't exist. Lastly, if you want to see how "laid back" and "tolerant" America is, count the number of states where gay marriage is legal, count the number of frothing, rabid protestors whenever issues of abortion or gay marriage are raised, count the number of people who listen to Rush Limbaugh.

    You may be lucky enough to live in one of the few amazing cities in America where tolerance and fair-mindedness seems to prevail but from everything I've seen, those are mere enclaves surrounded by a morass of closed-minded moralising nogoodniks.

  45. He's the one responsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In chronological order:
    For bat nipples
    For a rubber suit that doesn't have a neck
    For 3 consecutive batmen that hated the job
    For Jim Carrey (!)
    For no Batman vs Superman
    For Quigon Jinn part 2
    For putting out a supervillian with his special power being having his head in a sack
    For remaking "Big Bird in China"
    For making the batmobile give birth to a baby

    Good Job!

  46. The boy Batman loved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that would be a movie that would piss people off

  47. Batman's the only true superhero by SternisheFan · · Score: 2

    The thing is, Batman is the only superhero who doesn't have ANY super-power. He's totally human, doesn't believe in using guns (due to seeing his parents shot dead), using only his self-invented bat gadgets to fight crime. No Superman strentgh, no radioactive enhancement, just a very vulnerable mortal with a sense of moral outrage, who can be killed. Best. Superhero. Ever!

    1. Re:Batman's the only true superhero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Umm... Ironman ? Unless you consider being a super genius a super power.

    2. Re:Batman's the only true superhero by RivenAleem · · Score: 2

      And Hawkeye, Blackwidow and that's just out of the Avengers.

      There's lots of Superheroes w/o super powers.

  48. Once I mentally adjusted for Batman's underpants by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    Yahtzee makes it very clear how hard it is to take him seriously...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL8SB1YHzFU

    When your Batman...

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  49. Holy true batfan Batman! KAPOW!! by slashmojo · · Score: 1

    Had to be said. That series was and always will be awesome.. all those that followed pale in comparison.

  50. Re:"Fgt fgt, bite my buuuutt" -- Po about Tinky Wi by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Because there are Canadians and Eurotrash mods who think every idiot remark bashing the US is brilliantly clever and daring, so it's pretty much free karma.

    That's unfair, it's not just the Canadians and "Eurotrash" who are conspiring against you. Most of the rest of the world is too. And we have worked out the secret of penetrating your tinfoil helmets.

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  51. Re:"Fgt fgt, bite my buuuutt" -- Po about Tinky Wi by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Ironically, the actress who played Po would go on to portray a lesbian in a British TV drama.

    Are you using "ironic" in the Alanis Morissette sense, i.e. something that is mildly coincidental or slightly annoying, but not, in fact, ironic?

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  52. Re:"Fgt fgt, bite my buuuutt" -- Po about Tinky Wi by sco08y · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Firstly, no; he really didn't. He did go back twelve years, but he didn't have to.

    And you don't bother to mention anything more recent. You really can't.

    Secondly, he wasn't proffering it as evidence of "the awfulness of American society". Thirdly, I'd like to point out the irony of your comment, considering it's in reply to a discussion of people who are predisposed to seeing things where they don't exist.

    #2 is splitting hairs, #3 isn't irony, just your lack of a sense of humor to see that I'm teasing our friends across the pond(s).

    Lastly, if you want to see how "laid back" and "tolerant" America is, count the number of states where gay marriage is legal, count the number of frothing, rabid protestors whenever issues of abortion or gay marriage are raised, count the number of people who listen to Rush Limbaugh.

    A fair reckoning, of course, would be to look at the funding for AIDS research, but that would be inconvenient to your paranoia about a homophobic conspiracy.

    Also inconvenient is that the group that has come out the most strongly against gay marriage have been blacks. They're not listening to Limbaugh (nor are you, since the guy is perfectly tolerant and laid back if you actually listen to his show) but they also don't feel any compulsion to do what whiny white liberals demand that they do. More importantly, when whiny white liberals threaten to not be their friend, they don't give a fuck. They've listened to the arguments on their merits and found them unconvincing.

    That's the reason the gay rights movement has been a train wreck: they've never presented a coherent reason why they deserve broad social approval, only condemnation of people who don't grant it, as you just did. And then, repeatedly, when the issue came to a vote and it didn't go their way, they went to the courts to overturn it. That notion that they were going to force society to accept them through dicta from courts has basically been the animating factor behind the anti-gay rights movement.

    I suspect that in 20 years gay marriage will happen, but it will be largely due to demographic shift, and in *spite* of the gay rights movement. But liberals will never accept responsibility for their actions or seriously question their judgment, it will just be on to the next Quest for Great Justice.

    You may be lucky enough to live in one of the few amazing cities in America where tolerance and fair-mindedness seems to prevail but from everything I've seen, those are mere enclaves surrounded by a morass of closed-minded moralising nogoodniks.

    Well, those cities are all run by liberals, so what do you expect? It is a lot more laid back and tolerant down South.