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San Diego's Fireworks Show Over In 15 Seconds

First time accepted submitter fotoguzzi writes "Garden State Fireworks is investigating how the entire Fourth of July show was launched after a signal was sent to the barges that would set the timing for the rest of the show after the introduction. Can anyone suggest how such a trivial step could go so disastrously wrong?" It's not the first time such a thing has happened, either.

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  1. Just Like My First Time by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    But what an awesome 15 seconds that must have been!

    Yep, just like my first time ... she didn't seem to think so though.

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  2. Nothing unique....so I hear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hear that happens to every fireworks show at some point in its life. It just needs to relax, take some stress off and not worry about how it performs. Just enjoy the show.

  3. Decimal Poine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok! Ok! I must have, I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place
    or something. Shit. I always do that. I always mess up some mundane
    detail.

  4. Re:How is that not better? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You could eat a 20lb sack of potatoes over the same timeframes. How does that not get better as time reduces?

    The shorter the time frame, the more entertaining it is to watch someone try and devour 20lb of... well, anything.

    Otherwise, why bother timing eating contests?

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  5. Re:You shouldn't have made her pay for parking (n/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Ugh.

    Don't do that. No one reads the comment subjects. When you stick the whole message there, you just look like an idiot.

  6. Saw it happen once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I was in college I saw something similar. It was a sticky hot 4th of July evening. Just as the show was starting a big thunderstorm moved in. When they shot the first couple of rockets up, big flashes of lightning arced through the clouds in response. It was pretty impressive. They decided to shoot everything off at once, one after another; fireworks, thunder claps, lightning, all at once. It was totally awesome. Then it started to rain and all the braless coeds in tee-shirts had to walk back to campus. One of the better displays I've ever seen.

  7. Lots of WTF in that story by slashmydots · · Score: 5, Informative

    San Diego fireworks show exploded in 15 seconds, ruining show

    Well.....

    Best part about #bigbayboom fail is that EVERYONE has always wondered what would happen if all fireworks went off at once," tweeted @richandcreamy.

    There we go. That's more accurate, lol. I think "ruining the show" is a bit harsh :-P

    By the way...

    "I waited 3hrs in the cold and payd $12 for parking & got one little explosion?" tweeted @aj521z.

    What ****ing planet is this person from?! It is NOT COLD in San Diego at the moment at any time of day.

  8. Re:Wasn't there... by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 5, Informative
  9. Re:What are people complaining about? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They can see an artistically choreographed fireworks show next year. They probably saw one last year. Around here they do one every Thursday, all summer. How often do you get to see what happens when all the fireworks go off at once?

    "The only once in a lifetime experience I see here is that they can fondly look back at the year the 4th of July was a complete ripoff."

    Strange how people getting a fireworks show for free can feel ripped off. Quite the sense of entitlement, hey?

  10. Testing Circuit Failure? by weiserfireman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Electric matches on the circuits take 5 milliamps to ignite them.

    After the fireworks are loaded and wired up, testing is done to identify matches that aren't wired up right. Is there a chance that the testing process failed. On computer systems, it is pretty automated and happens fast. If the test resistor wasn't in the circuit properly, it might look like that.

    Notes
    I am a BATF licensed pryotechnician.
    I assist with a small show every year (our last night went flawlessly)
    I have never worked with a computer fired circuit

    1. Re:Testing Circuit Failure? by PPH · · Score: 5, Informative

      Electric matches on the circuits take 5 milliamps to ignite them.

      That's a bit low (see: http://www.pyromate.com/Basics-of-Electrical-Firing.htm). 5 mA sounds like the test current.

      It's going to be an interesting investigation. Most modern pyrotechnic controllers incorporate a shorting system to keep the squibs from being fired inadvertently by static electricity or single point control failures. To fire each circuit, the safety shunt must be removed and then the firing voltage applied. That's two failures at the lower level of the controller. And on every circuit simultaneously. I doubt it.

      From the video, it appears that the fault was common to three separate sites. They almost certainly used (at least) one controller at each location, tied together through somee communications network to a central control unit handling the timing. My money is on a software failure at that central point.

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  11. Seems the test procedure went wrong.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have designed the electronics and software of a fireworks firing system for a company that does regular shows here in Catalonia/Spain.

    Believe me, experienced people are very cautious in everything they do, but unexperienced people can make big mistakes if they are overconfident in a black box system that will do everything for them.

    In one point specifications said:

    -The firing system must make an autotest for each circuit for the team to check all connections are in place.

    They test the firing circuits of the fireworks several times before the show to fire all the material. In our case it was done exciting the fuses (sorry I'm not native english) with a safe very low current to see if the fuse is electrically present, and the inspections does a check of a circuit every 0.05s, so you can check the entire show in a few seconds.

    For me this seems the check was done with full current on the circuits which fired all the fireworks during this test procedure.

    It's quite surprising to have someone design a system that lets this happen from my point of view, in our case we made the circuits impossible (due hardware to redundant hardware switches and circuits) to excite to fire during the test (there are various physical limiter).

    So... it seems someone who had not enought experience with fireworks managed to build his system and convince this people to use it... but its surprising, it's a pretty conservative people, at least the ones I know.

  12. Re:Wasn't there... by milbournosphere · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was, up on the hill at USD. The sound-wave alone was AWESOME. Probably far more memorable than the actual show would have been.

  13. Re:Common problem... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Funny

    You give her 15 seconds of fireworks so intense they can be seen in the next state?

    I don't think you need to worry about her cheating on you.

  14. Fire One by smurd · · Score: 5, Informative

    A am a pryotechnician that works exclusively with computer fired shows. From what I'm hearing on the mailing lists so far, they were using the Fire One controller. We also use them (we have over 100 modules at $795 each). I haven't been involved in the "Loading" of the show into the embedded controller for the past few years, but I was called into action about 3 years ago when we had the same problem with our "semi automatic" shows (press a button for each event). I found there was an additional step when downloading the show from the PC to the firing controller called "Assign Delays" that had to be manually entered when loading. Without that step, all shells for each event fired immediately. I don't know if Fire One ever fixed it because it's now part of our written checklist for loading and we haven't had a problem since, and Fire One is notorious for fixing a problem with one customer, updating the firrmware but not telling the rest of their customer base that there is an update.

    If you are using Fire One, you can thank me for the new Line receivers in the new modules, I had to go to the plant and show them the problem.

    1. Re:Fire One by smurd · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah, Don't get my above rant wrong, Fire One is the best system, really the only system out there for firing large shows. I use all of the others, but they are the only ones out there that can handle large pyromusicals (I.E. > 2000 cues).

      It has more then enough juice to fire an entire module (32 cues) at once, and that is a good thing for mine fronts, set peices etc... We need and want that feature.

      I'll be back at the magazines tomorrow and want to run a test - I'm thinking if you either forget to assign delays, or assign them twice for a fully scripted show, you will have the same result.

      As far as I know, there are no commercially available products out there that will let you test ematches with firepower on (the Capacitive Discharge circuit) powered, so I'm pretty sure it's not a testing issue.

      Even though Garden State is a competitor, I feel for those guys, We've had our share of learning curves too.