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UN Declares Internet Freedom a Basic Right

The United Nations Human Rights Council has passed a landmark resolution (PDF) declaring that internet freedom is a basic human right. They wrote: "...the same rights that people have offline must also be protected online, in particular freedom of expression, which is applicable regardless of frontiers and through any media of one’s choice, in accordance with articles 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights." The council also called upon all countries to 'promote and facilitate access to the Internet.' The article points out that this comes alongside a report from the Pew Internet Center, which asked a group of internet stakeholders how they think firms in the private sector will handle the ethical issues that arise with countries wanting to censor or restrict internet access. The responses were varied, but skepticism was a recurring theme: 'Corporations will work around regional differences by spinning off subsidiaries, doing what's needed to optimize on future profits.'"

161 comments

  1. Ok Then. by localman57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, that oughta do it. Thanks guys. Considering they can't find a way to stop Assad from using tanks on his own people, I wouldn't hold my breath that the UN is going to come to your aid when Comcast decides to throttle your netflix stream...

    1. Re:Ok Then. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe if they all go onto Second Life and get slaughtered by Assad's flying penis swarms the UN will put a stop to that.

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    2. Re:Ok Then. by alphatel · · Score: 0

      Comcast decides to throttle your netflix stream...

      First world problem...

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    3. Re:Ok Then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Maybe if the USA would stop sending arms shipments to insurgent terror groups opposed to Assad he wouldn't feel the need to crackdown so much? Stop meddling in the affairs of sovereign states. Do you want the Chinese sending weapons to the KKK?

    4. Re:Ok Then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As much as many are making fun of this on this thread, this is important. Now, it will not mean much for us here in the US unless our government learns to play nice with the rest of the world, and stop assuming that America is above the law.

    5. Re:Ok Then. by game+kid · · Score: 3, Funny

      First they came for the netflix streams, and I didn't speak out because my plea to be saved from the abusive, well-armed government officer at my door wasn't a netflix stream.

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    6. Re:Ok Then. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 0

      Of course not! Think of what cheap Chinese AK knockoffs would do to the good, god-fearing American weapons industry!

    7. Re:Ok Then. by Moheeheeko · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      > AK

      > American weapons

      Just proving how little you actually know about something you hate so much.

    8. Re:Ok Then. by cayenne8 · · Score: 0

      So when I say things about niggers and get modded down, does that mean the UN will find those mods and send them a strongly worded letter?

      I suppose that depends on what 'group' you belong to, and whether or not you have the 'right' to use such a word.

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    9. Re:Ok Then. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      This is true. We need to send Assad several cruise missiles.. In fact they self deliver. What is his address? we can send 12 of them right now.

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    10. Re:Ok Then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds good but if they paid as much attention to human responsibilities and online responsibilities maybe we wouldn't have the problems we do now.

    11. Re:Ok Then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever read the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights? It's a joke.
      Everything's a basic right according to these people, from the right to not be held in slavery, to freedom of expression, to paid time off and the right "to enjoy the arts".

    12. Re:Ok Then. by QuasiSteve · · Score: 1

      Considering they can't find a way to stop Assad from using tanks on his own people

      Don't be silly - they do have a way, but certain member states are opposed to those ways and will use their veto rights to get proposals to use them dismissed.

      You could suggest that they do away with the veto power - but then you'd have to concede that the U.S. gets to lose its veto vote on any Israel/Palestine issues as well.

      ( Note that the above two are generally the Security Council, not the Human Rights Council - but I can understand your grouping them all together under the UN flag. )

    13. Re:Ok Then. by Tom · · Score: 2

      The UN isn't a body of power. That's the part both its fans and the NWO paranoids get wrong all the time. The UN is largely everyone getting together and talking things out. That there is nobody with a big stick to enforce the rules is exactly what makes it so challenging - but it couldn't be any different, because if there were you'd need another level to get the big guy in line.

      The UN can not stop Assad from using tanks because everyone involved, especially countries like the USA, do not want the UN to have powers like that - for fear of having those powers used against themselves. Funny how every time the UN wants to do something at all, every American on /. is complaining and whining about the evil overlord, like when they want to give slightly more regulatory oversight over the Internet to some UN body - and yet when they are not themselves affected, they whine how the UN is so powerless that it can't stop Assad. Well, the answer to "why" is staring you in the face: Because you don't want it. If the UN could stop Assad's tanks, then it could also take over for ICANN.

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    14. Re:Ok Then. by sco08y · · Score: 1
    15. Re:Ok Then. by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Well, that oughta do it. Thanks guys. Considering they can't find a way to stop Assad from using tanks on his own people, I wouldn't hold my breath that the UN is going to come to your aid when Comcast decides to throttle your netflix stream...

      Yeah, I see the intent of this, but once again it flies in the face of American Business Interests so the government (or those parts owned by Corporate Masters) will have a vocal opposition to this.

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    16. Re:Ok Then. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I'm missing out on my apparent hatred and ignorance, please enlighten me.

      I made a light-hearted joke on the premise that common Chinese small arms are relatively inexpensive and generally closely based(to what degree knocked-off and to what degree licensed based on the degree of Sino-Russian chumminess or lack thereof at the time of production) Russian AK designs, and that having China sending them to the KKK would hurt demand for the product of domestic arms manufacturers.

      You might need to re-calibrate your sensitivity a bit...

    17. Re:Ok Then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it me or UN turned into a joke lately ?

    18. Re:Ok Then. by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      Actually, those all sound quite reasonable. They boil down to the right to personal autonomy - and by extension, to be left alone.

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    19. Re:Ok Then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't imply that the AK was an American weapon you fucking retard.

    20. Re:Ok Then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moheeheeko, meet WHOOOOSH!!!

    21. Re:Ok Then. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe if the USA would stop sending arms shipments to insurgent terror groups opposed to Assad he wouldn't feel the need to crackdown so much?

      But those arms manufacturers are the Job Creators! And it would be immoral not to let them flood the world with weapons.

      Arms manufacturers are people, my friend.

      [next up: "Guns are people, Supreme Court decides in landmark case"]

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    22. Re:Ok Then. by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      when has the UN not been a joke?

    23. Re:Ok Then. by Intropy · · Score: 2

      Remember that a right doesn't necessarily mean that you are owed that thing by society. Some right are like that. For example the right to vote implies that you are owed the opportunity and reasonable means by which to vote. But most enumerated rights are things that you must not be barred from. For example free speech. The right of free speech means you are free to speak your mind, it does not mean that someone somewhere owes you speech. So for the GP's rights to enjoy the arts or paid time off, it's reasonable for those to be rights in the "don't interfere" sense, just not the "you are owed" sense.

    24. Re:Ok Then. by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      When it enabled talks that allowed you to be born into a world without nuclear fallout and a functional ozone layer for example?

    25. Re:Ok Then. by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

      And so long as they don't yell, "Bang!" in the middle of a crowded movie theater they're entitled to freedom of speech and expression.

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    26. Re:Ok Then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny, the first 20 or so kind of seem based on the saner clauses of the US Bill of Rights (except for the slavery article, that one took the US a bit longer to figure out), and the last 10 seem to be based on European Democratic Socialist law regarding social security and fair employment.

      The "right to the Internet" specifically a bit silly, though. It seems a bit short-sighted to pretend that "universal human rights" have anything to do with the technology and media fads at the time. Free speech and expression of opinion should be a right, who cares how it's expressed.

    27. Re:Ok Then. by Teresita · · Score: 1

      United Nations: A place where dictators opposed to free speech (Castro, Putin, Ahmedinejad, Mugabe, Obama, Chavez, Kim Jong Un) demand to be heard.

    28. Re:Ok Then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, once the Security Council has unanimously agreed on something, the UN can most definitely become a body of power.

      http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/issues/military.shtml

      Not enough to take on a country like Syria, of course. That's when the unofficial UN enforcer (NATO) steps in... (still usually only with UN SC approval, which means "Russia and China are ok with it").

    29. Re:Ok Then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      193 ambassadors walk into the UN... ...and 67 years later, we're still waiting for a punchline.

    30. Re:Ok Then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of these just doesn't belong here...

      I'm a big opponent of Obama, but opposed to free speech?

    31. Re:Ok Then. by Dave+Emami · · Score: 1

      If by "lately" you mean "before most Slashdot users were born", then yes. Things designed by a committee tend to suck, regardless of what the things are. They tend to suck more the larger the committee is, and even more when the members of the committee have hugely divergent agendas.

      Good results tend to occur when A starts doing something (or A and B agree to be compatible in some way), C observes the good results, and C decides to follow the example. Repeat for D, E, F, etc. If some existing behavior of C gets in the way of following the example, C has a strong incentive to ditch that behavior to achieve the observed good results.

      Crappy results tend to occur when you sit A, B, C... Z down together. Even if they're all acting in good faith to get a desirable result, they're going to try to force the agreement to allow for whatever existing behaviors that they don't want to ditch, even if those behaviors get in the way of the stated goal. To cite one example, the Soviets insisted that the UN Convention on Genocide define genocide so that mass killings on an ethnic/religious basis counted but mass killings on a political or economic basis did not, so that Stalin's exterminations of the Kulaks could not be called genocide.

      As it applies to internet freedom, the best thing to do is for people in basically-free countries to work to fix or avert the flaws, to make them more free (for example, the EU rejection of ACTA). Countries with freer policies will benefit, and other countries can either emulate them or forgo the benefits themselves. Signing an agreement about internet freedom including countries whose leaders are fundamentally hostile to freedom is at best a useless feel-good gesture, and worse, tends to water down the concept of freedom due to the compromises necessary to get the agreement signed.

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    32. Re:Ok Then. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      > AK
      > American weapons

      Just proving how little you actually know about something you hate so much.

      You are, I hope, aware that there are AKs made in the USA. They are characterized by their higher build quality and higher accuracy as compared to typical examples (besides their imprints, of course.)

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    33. Re:Ok Then. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      [next up: "Guns are people, Supreme Court decides in landmark case"]

      One second... does this mean that guns DO kill people? Or just that people kill guns... my head hurts.

    34. Re:Ok Then. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      One second... does this mean that guns DO kill people? Or just that people kill guns... my head hurts.

      Oh, and it gets worse. Even when it's inside a gun, a bullet is the same as a fully developed gun, with all the rights of those guns.

      And removing a bullet from a gun any way besides being fired through the barrel, is considered murder.

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    35. Re:Ok Then. by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      Yep, you beat me to it. I'll add illegal nuke production, genocides, pirates, etc.
      But we all have online right, damnit!

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    36. Re:Ok Then. by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      No. FYI, the link is to a page dispelling rumours about Obama signing away free speech.

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    37. Re:Ok Then. by Tom · · Score: 1

      From your link:

      All military personnel working under the Blue Helmet are first and foremost members of their own national armies

      That's the point. The UN doesn't have any sticks of its own, it does borrow sticks from its members on occasion.

      But yes, NATO or not, the whole point of the UN is that it is the place where member countries agree on whether or not it is ok to intervene somewhere.

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    38. Re:Ok Then. by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      no because no one is stopping you from saying it. even if you are moded down people can see it. you have freedom to say whatever you want, also i have the freedom to ignore whatever i want and filter it however i want done in this case via a moderation system

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    39. Re:Ok Then. by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      except the un actually has no governing authority of its own, it has it is essentially peer pressure for independent national bodies. so this declaration is in reality an unenforceable platitude. also what teeth the us dose have is based on the founding members military and economic sanctions. most of those come from the US and other like goverments who feel just fine in ignoring everything the un says China ignores it the US ignores it and Russia ignores it, and the people that this is aimed at primarily ignore it too; iran, north korea, ect.

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    40. Re:Ok Then. by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      i thought that was the result of a stalemate between rushia and america and their threats of invasion and nukes on those trying to aquire nukes, and as for the ozone layer we never really got rid of the aerosol cans that were the supposed cause of the hole.

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    41. Re:Ok Then. by Aryden · · Score: 1

      It was "Fire" not "Bang" in the theater.

    42. Re:Ok Then. by cpghost · · Score: 1

      Well, regarding Assad, they are just pushing for an islamist regime that will censor Syrians's Internet access just as or even worse than Assad's regime.

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    43. Re:Ok Then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are not supposed to. That is a common American misconception that no one else seems to have actually.

      The UN was founded as diplomatic arm because everyone realized the WW1 would have ended much earlier if the nations would have discussed things over at earlier phase. The lack of diplomacy was the reason for the bloodyness of the war.

      The UN *IS* meant to be for discussion and diplomatics only. Deal with it.

    44. Re:Ok Then. by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm well aware of that. It was a flippant remark. You know ... I'm sure you've heard of them. Not uncommon around here. Hey! BTW, welcome to /. ...

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    45. Re:Ok Then. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      What was the main avenue of talks between these two nations during this stalemate?

    46. Re:Ok Then. by HArchH · · Score: 1

      Maybe they should start with clean water? What a bunch of morons. What happened with this basic right before 1970?

    47. Re:Ok Then. by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      - what he said

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    48. Re:Ok Then. by Aryden · · Score: 1

      Haven't heard, could you elaborate more?

  2. Sounds great! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    So we can start by restoring everything taken off the Internet by DMCA takedown notices, right? Since that's the leading cause of Internet censorship.

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    1. Re:Sounds great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Basic human rights were meant to be broken" -The US Constitution & History

    2. Re:Sounds great! by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      You're using that word, "censorship," but you definitely do not know what it means.

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    3. Re:Sounds great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess I certainly don't. Because it appears as though DMCA takedown notices do cause things to be censored. It might be legal, it might be the law, but it's still censorship.

  3. In similarly important news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My crazy neighbor Jimmy just declared he is High Gnome King of the 3rd Parallel Crux of the 14th Arm of the Correlian Empire.

    I'm sure people will get right on that, too.

    1. Re:In similarly important news... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      My crazy neighbor Jimmy just declared he is High Gnome King of the 3rd Parallel Crux of the 14th Arm of the Correlian Empire.

      I'm sure people will get right on that, too.

      Yeah, well, Obama campaigned on 'Hope and Change' and people believed that.

      The bar is pretty low these days.

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    2. Re:In similarly important news... by cayenne8 · · Score: 0

      Yeah, well, Obama campaigned on 'Hope and Change' and people believed that.

      The bar is pretty low these days.

      I hear ya...in fact, I've even heard a few people are STILL thinking of voting for him again....I guess they are still 'Hoping' something about him and his policies will 'Change' for the better....

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    3. Re:In similarly important news... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      And there has been changes and things are better. You're point?

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    4. Re:In similarly important news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, look at the nutjobs calling themselves the Tea Party.

      Everyone knows that Obama lied and all of the GOP wanted to pass everything possible to add jobs and balance the budget. the GOP was HELPING, no BEGGING for Obama to let them pass tax cuts for the poor, to extend job creation programs and the like. but that damn Obama, he sat there and said, NO! WE must help the rich and FUCK the poor. Damn you poor.

      The GOP would have solved all of this already if it was not for Obama vetoing every single thing they passed to help the people.... Damn that Obama!

      Everyone knows that if you give the billionaires more money that they instantly go out in the streets and give it to the poor! God bless the billionaires! They are out Saviors!

      Oh wait, reality is the opposite of that..... my bad. I would give you republicans some credit if all of you were not bat shit crazy and did not actually believe in the insane shit I just said. But you do, you believe in that insanity.. hook line and sinker you believe in every thing said out of the retarded talking heads on Fox News.

    5. Re:In similarly important news... by tycoex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or maybe they think that no matter how bad he would still be better than Romney?

      South Park was right when they satirized our political system as voting between a doucebag and a turd sandwich. The only thing that will truly change our country would be to change the actual political system itself, and that will never happen.

    6. Re:In similarly important news... by scot4875 · · Score: 2

      He's not flawless in my eyes, nor most other people's eyes -- but he's a damn sight better than any other credible candidate for the presidency.

      Maybe if someone else could put up a candidate that wasn't a joke, you wouldn't have to worry about us poor misguided souls voting for someone that you (probably irrationally) despise.

      Also, lose the "hope and change" criticism. People voted for him for his substantial policies as well, not just the fluff slogan (which, btw, is something every fucking candidate has). Bring some real complaints to the table or we'll just have to assume that you're ignorant of anything that actually matters.

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    7. Re:In similarly important news... by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      He's not flawless in my eyes, nor most other people's eyes -- but he's a damn sight better than any other credible candidate for the presidency.

      I haven't noticed any credible candidate for President since Clinton. And he was only a good President because he lacked the support in Congress to screw things up.

    8. Re:In similarly important news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Clinton... you mean Communications Decency Act Clinton, who pushed for the US government being able to censor the internet? That Clinton?

    9. Re:In similarly important news... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Or maybe they think that no matter how bad he would still be better than Romney?

      Well, I'm a little of the thought that Romney couldn't get worse that an Obama 2nd term...unbridled by the need for re-election.

      And well, we've seen how 'effective' Obama has been...the 'great' decisions he's made, and the 'upstanding' appointments he's made for important positions (Holder, etc) so far. And how he's kept promises (*ahem* no lobbyists *ahem*)

      [rolls eyes]

      But give him a 2nd term and this time Obama will do better?

      What's the old saying?

      "The definition of insanity, is doing the same thing over and over...and hoping for a different outcome..."

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    10. Re:In similarly important news... by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      I vote Giant Douchbag, as the fact that it's giant adds a level of satire.

    11. Re:In similarly important news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're voting for the two main parties, you're both naive and part of the problem.

  4. Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Anyone else find it interesting that Russia, China, and Iran - the three named in http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/06/18/1429257/the-uns-push-for-power-over-the-internet are all missing from the list of countries at the top of the resolution.

  5. Won't work by gmuslera · · Score: 2

    spy and control their citizens (and if possible, of other countries too) is an government basic right, or at least, the ones that matters more think so.

    1. Re:Won't work by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      So as a human out smart them. A buddy of mine did. he has a cover over his patio painted to look like his patio. you cant see what is going on from the sky and it looks as if nothing is out of the ordinary.

      Turn to military strategy to hide from your own government.

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    2. Re:Won't work by dyingtolive · · Score: 2

      I'm trapped. I can't decide if that's a stroke of genius, or bat-shit crazy.

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    3. Re:Won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on where he lives and what he's doing. Pot farm on the patio, maybe a little less crazy.

    4. Re:Won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hint: which of the two would your government say it is?

    5. Re:Won't work by dyingtolive · · Score: 1

      Probably felonious.

      I'm still not sure that helps.

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    6. Re:Won't work by isorox · · Score: 1

      So as a human out smart them. A buddy of mine did. he has a cover over his patio painted to look like his patio. you cant see what is going on from the sky and it looks as if nothing is out of the ordinary.

      Turn to military strategy to hide from your own government.

      Is it made of tinfoil?

    7. Re:Won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest you check again and this time try all 4 angles of Google's 45-degree angle view. Chances are you can see more than he thinks. At least enough to tell that what you're seeing isn't what's really there.

  6. Just don't say anything mean. by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    in particular freedom of expression

    "...Now give us control of the root DNS servers so we can take down anyone daring to express unpopular ideas about WWII, religion, socialism, or the latest pseudo-royal who can afford a super-injunction to hide the bink he boinked."

  7. Oh boy...that's almost funny... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    Does that mean that UN itself is going to stop turning around, and trying to take it over every other week. And go hand in hand with the dictatorships of the world to throw the shackles on the rest of the world in order to protect their "sensitives" from the rest of us?

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    1. Re:Oh boy...that's almost funny... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Does that mean that UN itself is going to stop turning around, and trying to take it over every other week. And go hand in hand with the dictatorships of the world to throw the shackles on the rest of the world in order to protect their "sensitives" from the rest of us?

      Of course not, you silly person.

      They're the good guys. They're in white (and that pretty blue).
      They're on your side.

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    2. Re:Oh boy...that's almost funny... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      "oliver's army is here to stay,
      oliver's army are on their way..."

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    3. Re:Oh boy...that's almost funny... by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      "and I would rather be anywhere else than here today..."

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  8. Freedom of Speach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freedom of Speach must be protected at all cost. Its under attack all over the world
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/06/14/alexander-aan-atheist-who-blasphemed-on-facebook-sentenced-to-two-years-in-prison/

    http://www.google.com/webhp?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS433US433&sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS433US433&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=blasphamy%20laws&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=e757a35b73c411c2&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=984&bih=720

    "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Evelyn_Beatrice_Hall

  9. Same rights online as offline by SirGarlon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Part of what the resolution says is that the Human Rights Council "...[a]ffirms that the same rights that people have offline must also be protected online..." (emphasis added)

    This is pretty much opposite the legal situation in the U.S. at least, where the government can demand access to your ISP's logs and the courts pretty much go along with it, but they still need a warrant to put you under physical surveillance.

    I would tag this "sudden outbreak of common sense" except that I expect this resolution will have even less impact than the typical U.N. resolution.

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    1. Re:Same rights online as offline by gman003 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, UN resolutions seem to be more 640x480 than 1920x1200, if you know what I mean.

    2. Re:Same rights online as offline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May be the next step is to cut back your rights offline so that you'll have the same lack of right offline and online?
      It is not like they are respecting much of your rights at the airport these days.

  10. They could do A LOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, that oughta do it. Thanks guys. Considering they can't find a way to stop Assad from using tanks on his own people, I wouldn't hold my breath that the UN is going to come to your aid when Comcast decides to throttle your netflix stream...

    I would go to the UN, complain and then the UN may send a strongly worded letter to Comcast!

    Comcast would rue the day they crossed the UN!

  11. Horrible headline by Fjandr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yet another horrible headline. The resolution doesn't declare the Internet a basic right, it declares that the Internet isn't exempt from the protection of basic rights. Not even close to the same thing, though it doesn't surprise me that Soulskill apparently couldn't tell the difference.

    1. Re:Horrible headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't really blame Soulskill given that the article he references has the same headline.

      Maybe you should blame SOMINI SENGUPTA, the guy who wrote the referenced article.

    2. Re:Horrible headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The headline says "Internet freedom" was declared a right, not "the Internet". Not even close to the same thing, though it doesn't surprise me that some posters apparently couldn't tell the difference.

    3. Re:Horrible headline by sco08y · · Score: 1

      Yet another horrible headline. The resolution doesn't declare the Internet a basic right, it declares that the Internet isn't exempt from the protection of basic rights. Not even close to the same thing, though it doesn't surprise me that Soulskill apparently couldn't tell the difference.

      I was about to pile on, but you're misreading the /. headline, which is almost plagia^H^H^H^H^H^Hidentical to the Times headline.

      The headline says "UN Declares Internet Freedom a Basic Right", not the Internet itself as a basic right. Unless they changed it, or something.

    4. Re:Horrible headline by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The headline says "UN Declares Internet Freedom a Basic Right", not the Internet itself as a basic right. Unless they changed it, or something.

      What, you mean like net neutrality? Oh, wait, no, you mean the same freedoms we enjoy everywhere else, but online? That's not internet freedom, that's just freedom.

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    5. Re:Horrible headline by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, the term "freedom" in the modern context usually means "freedom to use or access," and not "freedom of expression."

      The use of the title was acceptable in the article itself, because the difference was made clear. In the context of the Slashdot summary, where most people don't seem to bother with the article, the meaning is not at all likely to come across accurately.

    6. Re:Horrible headline by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      It's unfortunate you didn't log in to be snarky (you should always be willing to stand behind your snark), so the clarification of context reply went elsewhere.

    7. Re:Horrible headline by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      I should also add that, the singular usage of the term "basic right" reinforces the impression of the a singular freedom being discussed, rather than an entire class of rights with respect to a new medium.

      The nice thing about Slashdot is its users frequently end up providing good reminders of where more clarity is needed and where it is not.

  12. How does this def. of "Internet Freedom" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    match up with Ron Paul's notion of Internet Freedom (probably not well at all!) or Richard Stallman's definition of free software (probably talking about something completely different)?

  13. Hypocrites by denis-The-menace · · Score: 0

    This is the same group that tried to get the ACTA treaty passed everywhere and NOW they say Internet access is a basic human right?

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    1. Re:Hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh... the UN is not the US, even if the headquarters for the UN are in the US.

    2. Re:Hypocrites by FauxReal · · Score: 1

      Nah, they're saying "Internet freedom" is a basic right. Like freedom of speech, freedom from oppression, freedom of religion. Your rights on the Internet as apposed to the right to free Internet access.

    3. Re:Hypocrites by cpghost · · Score: 1

      The UN is much larger than the little group of Western countries (!) that pushed hard for ACTA. The real enemies of the Internet aren't Samoa, the Philippines, Chile, and so on; they are aright in our midst: the US, UK, France, etc. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

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  14. Free speech by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, since there are dictators who attack their own citizens with military weapons, we can just ignore free speech rights? Internet freedom is a subset of freedom of speech.

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    1. Re:Free speech by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, since there are dictators who attack their own citizens with military weapons, we can just ignore free speech rights? Internet freedom is a subset of freedom of speech.

      I suspect that(aside from the UN's relative fecklessness), the bigger issue will be that the UN's position on "Human Rights" has a loophole in the free speech department that you could drive one of those comically oversized trucks used in open pit mining through...

      From UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 29:

      "(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society."

      So, can anybody think of any popular restrictions on rights and freedoms that aren't fairly trivial to rationalize under 'morality', 'public order' or 'the general welfare'? Even with the 'in a democratic society' stipulation, that still leaves you a considerable degree of flexibility.

    2. Re:Free speech by Baloroth · · Score: 2

      I believe OP's point was that the UN issuing a declaration is just about as effective a measure at helping insure free speech rights as trying to stop a bull by yelling at it. The UN is so toothless it can't even stop open genocide: why would you expect it to be able to do anything when mere freedom of speech is at stake?

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    3. Re:Free speech by geekoid · · Score: 2

      The UN is not a government.
      It is not a king.
      It is not a Dictator.

      It is an organization where representatives of some countries agree to certain basic principles.
      It's a place where countries can public air their difference. It's a place where different country Representative will be meeting with each other.

      You're complaint, just like almost every other complaint against the UN, is based in ignorance of why the UN exists.

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    4. Re:Free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My local right-wing paper complains about the toothless UN every other week. I ask them why are they so upset, do they want the UN to be actively interventionist or something?

      I have never gotten an answer from them.

    5. Re:Free speech by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      So, can anybody think of any popular restrictions on rights and freedoms that aren't fairly trivial to rationalize under 'morality', 'public order' or 'the general welfare'? Even with the 'in a democratic society' stipulation, that still leaves you a considerable degree of flexibility.

      Well, you left out "solely for the purpose" and "just requirements", so the answer has to be no.

      For example, when one bunch of goatherders start massacring another bunch of goatherders (who they never liked) for disagreeing with the first bunch of goatherders it certainly passes the public order test. Perhaps the "rights and freedoms of others" too, if you consider being agreed with a fundamental right.

      It's hardly a just requirement though, is it? certainly not by my definition of "just".

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    6. Re:Free speech by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      They want the US out of the UN because they opposed Bush's wars and now there is butthurt.

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    7. Re:Free speech by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      People dislike the UN because they are ineffective and unable to do anything without debating until EVERYONE agrees on something.
      Which is also why the UN is allowed to exist at all.

    8. Re:Free speech by MachDelta · · Score: 1

      Once, while vacationing in the Canadian rockies, I saw an east asian tourist stop a female moose by yelling at it. He went out to take pictures of it from about 25 feet, and it would lower its head to charge. He yelled something at it, and it would look up at him for a moment. She put her head down three or four times - I thought I was going to watch someone die, but eventually the moose wandered off, the tourist having no idea how close he was to bodily harm for a few shots.

      Slightly off topic, but just goes to show that sonetimes yelling does work.

    9. Re:Free speech by thedonger · · Score: 1

      The problem I see with these resolutions is that they all necessarily must be imprecise in order to have any reasonable application. However, the lack of precision is the very thing that creates loopholes.

      I have a resolution: Treat others as you want to be treated. Oh wait, that leaves a loophole for masochists.

      Fuck it. Free for all!

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    10. Re:Free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once, while vacationing in the Canadian rockies, I saw an east asian tourist stop a female moose by yelling at it. He went out to take pictures of it from about 25 feet, and it would lower its head to charge. He yelled something at it, and it would look up at him for a moment. She put her head down three or four times - I thought I was going to watch someone die, but eventually the moose wandered off, the tourist having no idea how close he was to bodily harm for a few shots.

      Slightly off topic, but just goes to show that sonetimes yelling does work.

      A moose once bit my sister

    11. Re:Free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They want the UN to be an actively interventionist arm of the United States of America. Or else they want us to leave the UN.

    12. Re:Free speech by Larryish · · Score: 1

      No realli! She was Karving her initials on the moose
        with the sharpened end of an inter-space toothbrush..

    13. Re:Free speech by tbird81 · · Score: 1

      The problem is that the UN is full of unelected career politicians who are paid shitloads to do nothing with our tax money.

      We had a politician (Chris Carter) who enjoyed having expensive holidays in Europe with his partner, courtesy of the taxpayer. When his party let him go, he fucked off and never returned to work - still receiving his enormous salary. Once the term was up, he was given a UN job by his ex-PM friend Helen Clark.

      That's the type of people who get jobs with the UN. People who like to have holidays courtesy of everyone else. Fuck them. It seems like a nasty corrupt organisation.

    14. Re:Free speech by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      The problem I see with these resolutions is that they all necessarily must be imprecise in order to have any reasonable application. However, the lack of precision is the very thing that creates loopholes.

      I have a resolution: Treat others as you want to be treated. Oh wait, that leaves a loophole for masochists.

      Fuck it. Free for all!

      That leaves a loophole for orgyists.

    15. Re:Free speech by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Ineffective at what? They seem pretty effective at creating a public forum where countries can be heard on an equal* footing.

      The debating until EVERYONE agrees is called democracy.

      *some states are more equal than others -- mostly those who have nukes, just like in real life.

    16. Re:Free speech by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      You left out the most egregious error in the whole concept of the UN's so-called declaration of human rights.

      Article 29
      (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

      That's the part that nullifies everything written above it. It's the part that lets them have you by the balls.

      Total fucking joke if you ask me. MY rights do not come from the UN.

    17. Re:Free speech by cavreader · · Score: 1

      The UN is the most dysfunctional organization going today. It makes the knuckleheads in the US Congress look like a model of prudent leadership which says a lot. Hopefully the Palestinians will continue to try and join more UN agencies which will automatically force the US to end it's participation and monetary support by law.

    18. Re:Free speech by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      except the definition of "just" is decide by the ones who are in a position to abuse the loophole.

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    19. Re:Free speech by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      Fuck it. Free for all!

      That leaves a loophole for orgyists.

      that is not a loophole it is kinda ordering a universal orgy

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    20. Re:Free speech by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      The debating until EVERYONE agrees is called democracy.

      no in a democracy it only requires a majority to make a decision. what this actullly is is stupidity because you can never get a group of people of greater than ten to agree universally with out objection. try that with hundreds of people from all over the planet with different culture religion moral code motivation and conflicting interest.

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  15. ***CENSORED*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    haha ***CENSORED*** the ***CENSORED*** really is ***CENSORED***

    ***CENSORED***,

    John

    1. Re:***CENSORED*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be funny if you were modded -1. Overt censorship works but gets more costly with time. Covert censorship is better in the long run.

  16. And we're all reassured by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    That governments will show the same care for freedom of the Internet that they show for freedom of speech, right?

  17. It only follows... by nine-times · · Score: 1

    I think it only follows that some access to the Internet, and some freedom on the Internet, will need to be recognized as a basic right. It may sound silly, but think of it this way: If "freedom of speech" is a basic and inalienable human right, how divorced can that "free speech" be from communications infrastructure?

    The internet is the way that people are communicating and organizing. It's where we share thoughts and ideas and artistic expression. Denying access to the Internet today would be roughly equivalent to denying colonial Americans access to roads and meeting places. You can't say that free speech is a basic human right, and yet still find it reasonable to deny people the means to communicate with each other.

  18. The UN is a joke. by detritus. · · Score: 2

    The UN is a joke. The US will never ratify this and implement this in our laws. It only applies to those "other" UN members. Take the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child treaty which was implemented 17 years ago, but we have YET to ratify it because the conservatives have a huge problem with children having rights or their own views and feelings being taken into account on things like education, parental placement, etc. as well as being prohibited from the death penalty if you are under 18 years old, etc. Good luck with that. Who is going to stop us? The UN?

    1. Re:The UN is a joke. by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      as well as being prohibited from the death penalty if you are under 18 years old

      Because everyone under 18 is clearly mentally childlike and should never be held actually responsible for their actions. Even though we let you *drive* at 16.

      I've never understood the weird idea that "you're not really an adult until 18. Wait, no, until 21. Unless you go to other countries. Hey, why do all our young people act so childish?"

  19. Conspiracy hat on by dave562 · · Score: 1

    Ron Paul is championing internet freedom as a key tenant of individual liberty in the 21st century. The UN is declaring internet freedom a basic right.

    Large portions of the population of the United States do not trust the government. The "two party system" is broken.

    Solution? Give more power to a one world government. Trust the UN to do what the corrupt US government, beholden to their corporate masters cannot/will not do.

    Something stinks here. Control over the internet is one of the only levers of power that America has left. With the dollar on the way out, governance over the internet is the last thing (besides an insanely huge military) that gives the United States any control over the rest of the world.

    As scary as having the US control the internet might be, the idea of UN doing it is even worse. This is the same body that cannot speak with a unified voice on Syria. That is a serious issue where people are dying in large numbers. How well are they really going to handle issues like censorship and intellectual property?

    1. Re:Conspiracy hat on by Teresita · · Score: 1

      The thing is, the US doesn't control the Internet now. There's a US company called ICANN that governs which names resolve to IP's on the World Wide Web to keep people from walking over each other. But the WWW is only part of the Internet. Think USENET, Peer2Peer, IRC, FTP...

    2. Re:Conspiracy hat on by dave562 · · Score: 1

      That is true. The larger point I was trying to address is that we should resist any steps that consolidate the Internet into the hands of a global body. That is the final piece of the puzzle for total control. As long as individual countries are able to do what they will (think the Pirate Party in Sweden), we will still have some semblance of the Internet as the founders intended it. Once we have a global body in charge of it, kiss it goodbye. It will be a generation before every gets an IPv6 address at birth along with their Social Security number, but it is coming.

      "Want to be a digital citizen? Better use your approved IPv6 address for all interactions, otherwise you're a subversive terrorist."

      I can see the marketing already. It will be like phone number portability. "Do not be beholden to a single carrier. Take your ID with you where ever you go!"

    3. Re:Conspiracy hat on by cpghost · · Score: 1

      That is the final piece of the puzzle for total control.

      Frankly, considering how the US government is yanking internet domain names from individuals and companies who are not even in the US without due process (think MegaUpload), a UN body couldn't act much worse than that. Of course, I'd rather see ICANN controlled by Iceland rather than the US or the UN, but that will remain a pipe dream.

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  20. Ron Paul Agrees with the UN by ElmoGonzo · · Score: 2

    There's something that doesn't happen every day, much less only 16 /. posts apart.

  21. *all* freedom of expression? by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 1

    I find this statement, considering that it came from the UN, to be somewhat suspicious. Do they really want to protect all freedom of expression? Would the UN continue to champion my freedom of speech if I blasphemed the false prophet muhammad? Or is this just one more case of the UN trying to make an Internet power grab without thinking things through?

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  22. Horse before cart please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The private sector is not the problem. Getting deep packet app providers to abide by UN rules will not stop China and Russia from developing inhouse censorship solutions.

  23. That's great and all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but is this really that important when people are dying because of their lack of other basic human rights?

    I don't know about everybody else, but I think food, water, shelter, and personal safety are a damn sight more important than Internet access.

    1. Re:That's great and all... by dyingtolive · · Score: 1

      Why would effort toward resolving both problems at the same time not possible? (at least, for some definitions of "resolving")

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    2. Re:That's great and all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but is this really that important when people are dying because of their lack of other basic human rights?

      I don't know about everybody else, but I think food, water, shelter, and personal safety are a damn sight more important than Internet access.

      Indeed. That's why the UN ought to be demanding the universal right of private citizens to keep and bear arms for personal safety.

  24. anarchy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only effective means towards internet freedom is for the internet to be an anarchy. No one must control any significant fraction of it.

    Any time you have one party with a large degree of control, whether that is the US government, China, or Facebook, you're going to have a less free internet. The problem seems to be that most people WANT a less free internet, so they act to give these entities more and more control all the time. The end result is that the same power that can "protect us from evil things online" is the same power that will also stifle freedom of political speech, freedom from having our every move tracked, and more.

    The impetus for internet freedom must come from the people, and the people don't appear to give a shit. I don't know how to solve that.

  25. 0 - 0 = 0 by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Even China, which filters online content through a firewall, backed the resolution. It affirmed that “the same rights that people have offline must also be protected online, in particular freedom of expression, which is applicable regardless of frontiers and through any media of one’s choice.”

    The Chinese delegation was probably laughing when they voted. Sure, same rights, no problem.

  26. what about water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so access to internet is a human right but not access to drinkable water?

  27. Waitaminnit ... by Infernal+Device · · Score: 1

    Is this the same UN that wants to take over the Internet to keep 'Muricans from saying all kinds of offensive things about furrin religiosities?

    I tend to think the most liberal set of rights should set the standard for Internet rights, rather than the most conservative. But I'm a liberal, so take that for what it's worth.

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  28. UN's Idea of Freedom by hackus · · Score: 1

    UN Decleares the internet a basic human right.

    I would be careful though, because the UN's idea of freedom isn't meant for _you_ it is meant for _them_.

    As in, _they_ want to track, control and insure everyone is connected so that _they_ can have access to track, control and insure....insure nothing changes, and only those approved changes happen to further their control and tracking efforts of every single man, women, child, cat, dog on the planet.

    That way they continue to live in luxery while you are put in your place.

    That is what they are talking about when they discuss internet freedom.

    Remember, you are dealing with the same criminals that have been trying to create wars of conquest throughtout the world anywhere there is a private central bank that doesn't accept Federal Reserve notes, and any population just happens to be sitting on large resource reserves.

    -Hack

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  29. Rights, Indeed by LordGr8one · · Score: 1

    As long, of course, as one doesn't use those rights contrary to the purposes of the UN.

  30. Human Rights Abomination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This from the same Human Rights Council that is currently considering Syria being a member of the human rights council (http://www.timesofisrael.com/assad-vies-for-seat-on-un-human-rights-council-report-says/). If you want to know what kind of nonesense goes on in the Human Rights Council, check this out: you will be appalled. http://blog.unwatch.org/

    IMHO, the UN Human Rights Council is filled with clueless bozos.

  31. Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now unblock Pirate Bay :)

  32. you have to look carefully by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

    At the timing of news stories, to see the conspiracies in action behind the scenes

      http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/07/06/0021254/ron-pauls-new-primary-goal-is-internet-freedom

    It is clear Ron Paul is an agent of the fascist UN. We have been fooled!

    (this post is sarcasm, not actual paranoid schizophrenia)

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  33. Ho hum by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

    The United Nations Human Rights Council has passed a landmark resolution (PDF) declaring that internet freedom is a basic human right.

    Which has about as much meaning as if my local Girl Scouts got together and passed a resolution declaring that internet freedom is a basic human right.

  34. Three/Six strikes?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how this is going to jive with the US and UK plans to deprive the filthy terrorist antisocial homicidal wife beating child molesting file-sharers of internet access?

  35. wait, what? by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

    Basic human rights is what we need to survive: food, water and shelter. WE DO NOT NEED THE INTERNET TO SURVIVE.

    The UN is a running joke.

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    1. Re:wait, what? by MadMaverick9 · · Score: 2

      it's not about the internet. it's about freedom on the internet. as in - no censorship, freedom of speech.

    2. Re:wait, what? by cpghost · · Score: 2

      Large parts of the economy actually need the Internet to survive, and so do all those employed in and fed by said economy.

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    3. Re:wait, what? by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      you're talking about an artificial construct. I'm talking about a biological system. :)

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  36. Mod up by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

    Either +1 funny, or +1 insightful (depending how you feel about double-barreled anti-right-wing parody).

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  37. Holy shit this is ground breaking! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The has recognized this right, oh, since forever. Except in America, we understand that government's non-involvement is the action (or inaction) that protects our freedom. Instead, the U.N. resolution has already kicked off a series of ill-conceived misunderstandings that private firms, corporations, groups, etc. are under the obligation to respect the basic internet freedoms - where really the State is the one that can legitimately infringe on my rights, now they want to say so can my neighbor? But how does the authorities mandate regulation and direct action from private organizations in order to protect individual freedoms? Are all governments now under the obligation to punish all hackers who interfere with the freedom of expression by, say, DDoS, straight hacking, etc. etc.
     
    And if offline rights are to be respected, let's consider property rights. It's illegal to break into my home, remove my documents or copy them and distribute them. It's illegal to take my things, and give transfer them to other persons without my permission. It's called "theft" to knowingly possess an object which you know not to belong to you. So wikileaks and megaupload, they are violating basic freedoms and more importantly warrant direct police action by the State.
     
    You "information is free" morons haven't thought any of this through, have you? A better resolution would be "do as thou wilt shall be the whole of internet freedom".

  38. Re:0 - 0 = 0 by davide+marney · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up. One must think sideways.

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  39. Corrupt notion of "rights" by dumky2 · · Score: 0

    Let's declare everything that is good and desirable a "right", let's make those "rights" universal across the world while we're at it. Nevermind that such "rights" are incompatible with more fundamental rights of individual freedom and responsibility.

    A civil society is based on respect for individuals. Letting them use their body, mind and property in peaceful ways. You can do anything you want within this basic ethic of "negative" rights (what you are not allowed to do: murder, rape, enslave, steal, defraud).

    By declaring "positive rights" we ignore the question of who is it we are forcing to provide those services. We make a short-sighted calculus of forcing a few innocent people (service providers) for a well-intentioned goal (charity and solidarity). But goals don't justify means and what we are really doing is eroding the fabric of civil society by fostering disrespect for individuals.

    The best thing we can do for the internet is keep it out of the hands of politicians and central planning. Instead we should leave individual freedom, property and competitive forces to drive improvements, as has been the case with internet until the recent political rush to intervene (privacy, net neutrality, intellectual "property", cybersecurity, etc.).

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  40. File sharing by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Hope UN declares file sharing a basic right

  41. Don't forget the other basic "rights." by EmagGeek · · Score: 0

    Cell phones
    Internet Access
    Computers
    iPads
    Coach Bags
    Pocket Dogs
    Luxury Cars

    And all the other horse shit people feel they are entitled to by the virtue of their existence.

  42. O rly ? by luk3Z · · Score: 0

    "UN Declares Internet Freedom a Basic Right" - how US gov can accept it ? UN is not US. Freedom is US is limited due to fight with imagination "terrorists".

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