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Holy iPad Slayer! Company Releases World's First Christian Tablet

Velcroman1 writes "Steve Jobs worshippers need not apply. But if you're looking to get in God's good graces, or you're simply in the market for a family-friendly tablet, you may want to check out Family Christian's Edifi. Billed as the world's first Christian tablet, its genesis came with the inevitable intersection of technology and religion, according to Brian Honorable, a technology supervisor at Family Christian, the group that sells the tablet. 'We wanted to be able to offer our customers the ability to use our Holy Bible application, which has 27 different English translations of the Bible,' Honorable said."

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  1. Pretty sure Moses did it first! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pretty sure Moses did it first!

    1. Re:Pretty sure Moses did it first! by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pretty sure Moses did it first!

      and it even had rounded corners!

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    2. Re:Pretty sure Moses did it first! by gewalker · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Just a movie version, not the real thing. The original Mosaical tables may or may not have had rounded corners, but they definitely had the awesome feature of being double-side. I don't know of any tablet device offering this today.

      Ex 3515 Then Moses turned and went down from the mountain with the two tablets of the testimony in his hand, tablets that were written on both sides; on the front and on the back they were written.

    3. Re:Pretty sure Moses did it first! by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Funny

      Then Moses turned and went down from the mountain with the two tablets of the testimony in his hand, tablets that were written on both sides; on the front and on the back they were written.

      ...so even *that* tablet had multitasking.

      WTF, Apple?

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    4. Re:Pretty sure Moses did it first! by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Funny

      “The Lord Jehovah has given unto you these fifteen...Oy...Ten! Ten Commandments! For all to obey!”

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    5. Re:Pretty sure Moses did it first! by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      You saying they "trimmed" around the edges?

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    6. Re:Pretty sure Moses did it first! by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually there were three tablets, but he held one of them wrong.

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    7. Re:Pretty sure Moses did it first! by wireloose · · Score: 2

      Single screen, yes. And you shouldn't use the chisel stylus on it. Or holy water to clean it.

  2. Must purchase two? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or do all 10 commandments fit on to one tablet this time?

    1. Re:Must purchase two? by sentientbeing · · Score: 5, Funny

      Commandments last updated: 6000 B.C. Your commandments are out of date [refresh][cancel]

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    2. Re:Must purchase two? by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      You can hit the refresh button all you want, but the code doesn't change just cause you want to reboot.

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    3. Re:Must purchase two? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Good one. But an utter failure on the date...

      Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt in the spring of 1513 B.C.E. on Nisan 14 (the first full moon after the spring equinox). They took a meandering path, and crossed the Red Sea. That took them about 3 weeks. Then they all encamped at Mt. Sinai about 3 months later. It took around a week for Moses to reach the place where God gave him the tablets (with the 10 commandments), and another 40 days passed before the full law had been expounded to Moses. At this point, the Israelites and ex-Egyptians that were encamped at the base of the mountain were in full-on revolt, worshiping a calf idol. God alerted Moses to this, and Moses headed back to the camp (another 1-week journey). Moses then smashed the tablets God had given him and set about disciplining the people for their idolatry. The discipline took a few days to "work out", since he had the golden calf ground to powder and mixed into the water supply. (Result: Gold flecked poop!) Moses then returned to the mountain (another 1-week journey), re-chiseled the tablets himself (that'll teach him to control his temper... or not), finished learning the rest of the law (time not specified), and went back to camp again (1 week again). Then the people were assembled, the law was read to them, and they all agreed to be bound by it.

      So... 21 days (pre-Red Sea) + 90 days (3 averaged months) + 7 days (travel time) + 40 days (learning law) + 7 days (travel) + 3 days (gold poop!) + 7 days (travel) + unspecified time (more learning of the law) + 7 days (travel) + unspecified time (assembly) = 182 days + two unspecifed periods. I'd estimate the law was reiterated for a further 40 days, so that brings us to 222 days + assembly time. The assembly probably took about a week. Remember, there were 3 million people in that camp, so the reading would have to be relayed by callers, and then the response would be by the assembly. That's a logistical nightmare. I'll estimate about 60 days for this (remember, it took 40 days for Moses to receive it one-on-one from God in the first place). So it took 282 days (estimated) to deal with all of that. 282 days is just over 10 months, which brings us to around January-February of 1512 B.C.E.

      1512 B.C.E. through 1 B.C.E. = 1512 years
      1 C.E. through 2012 C.E. = 2012 years
      1512 + 2012 = 3524 years.

      Then add the 6 months from January to July.

      That's still pretty far out of date.

    4. Re:Must purchase two? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt in the spring of 1513 B.C.E. on Nisan 14 (the first full moon after the spring equinox). They took a meandering path, and crossed the Red Sea. That took them about 3 weeks. Then they all encamped at Mt. Sinai about 3 months later. It took around a week for Moses to reach the place where God gave him the tablets (with the 10 commandments), and another 40 days passed before the full law had been expounded to Moses. At this point, the Israelites and ex-Egyptians that were encamped at the base of the mountain were in full-on revolt, worshiping a calf idol. God alerted Moses to this, and Moses headed back to the camp (another 1-week journey). Moses then smashed the tablets God had given him and set about disciplining the people for their idolatry. The discipline took a few days to "work out", since he had the golden calf ground to powder and mixed into the water supply. (Result: Gold flecked poop!) Moses then returned to the mountain (another 1-week journey), re-chiseled the tablets himself (that'll teach him to control his temper... or not), finished learning the rest of the law (time not specified), and went back to camp again (1 week again). Then the people were assembled, the law was read to them, and they all agreed to be bound by it.

      I am struck by the similarities to the Church of Latter Day Saints origin story.

      Moses: God gave me tablets.
      People: OK, where they at?
      Moses: I broke them.
      People: ???
      Moses: But wait, I copied them down, so these ten things I wrote on these tablets are totally what God told me to tell you.
      People: OK!! Let's go!

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      Joseph Smith: An Italian Angel name "Moroni" gave me some plates with stuff to tell you. I was out in the wilderness skrying (getting answers to questions by listening to my hat) and this Angel totally gave me some golden plates from God that say what He wants us to do.
      People: OK, where these plates at?
      Joe Smith: I got 'em put away somewhere safe. I can't show them to you. God said so.
      People: ????
      Joe Smith: Wait! One of the thing He wants us to do is take a whole bunch of young wives.
      People: Oh, hell yeah! Can we start right now?
      Women: Hey, wait a minute!
      People: Shut up ladies, It's God's will. Now let's choose up. (at this point, the men put their feet in a circle and did "inka-dinka soda cracker..." to see who gets to pick which women. Having been the one to get the golden plates in the first place, Joseph Smith gets to choose first, without participating in "inka-dinka soda cracker...").

      [Note: no disrespect is meant by my depiction of the Jewish or Mormon back stories. Well, maybe a little bit, but not of the Jewish or Mormon people themselves, just on the backstories. And who am I to criticize anyone for believing something crazy? Every April since 1960 I've believed the Cubs were going to win the World Series.]

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    5. Re:Must purchase two? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2

      Just to clarify a bit, the second pair of tablets that Moses brought back (having smashed the first pair when he saw the golden calf, so presumably somebody saw him do it) weren't exactly hidden away. Everybody knew where they were kept. Also, the exact words were never kept secret.

      Having said that, well played, sir. Definitely deserves a +1 Funny.

  3. they could have taken 6 small screens by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

    Arranged them as a cross. That would have awesome.

    Bonus: it folds up into a cube. Then the goths would make "hellraiser" jokes and the Christians wouldn't get it

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  4. battery can beat up your dad by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Funny

    quoting:

    "The battery is actually stronger than everybody else out there on the market.â

    if we feed the christian pad to a Li-Ion, will the romans return again, do you think?

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    1. Re:battery can beat up your dad by siddesu · · Score: 2

      Since Christians were fed to a Li-Ion only occasionally and not as a matter of policy, no, probably not.

  5. technology and christianity by multiben · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ha ha ha. the inevitable intersection of technology and religion. Lol.

    1. Re:technology and christianity by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Technology and religion were not mutually exclusive for the longest time. Actually, religion (or rather, the religious types) were the forefront of technology for a good deal of the past two thousand years. Only recently, when we "dared" to study past the boundaries of the religious scriptures and even were so bold to contradict it, the religious types started to get uneasy.

      It wouldn't do religion justice to ignore its value in preserving information during the "dark ages", when little was spared from looting and plundering by the powers that were safe the religious places where that knowledge could survive. Let's also not forget how much we owe to the Muslim scholars of the medieval times who were quite some leaps ahead of anything we could possibly muster in the fields of philosophy, mathematics and sciences up until the end of the middle ages. Its backwards orientation and anti-technology stance is a rather new development for them either. The reasons are probably the same why the Christian religion got its reputation for being anti-technology, notably the Gallileo incident. Which, if you look at it closely, was much more a political than a scientific issue. Gallileo was simply "for" the wrong guy and "against" the stronger party in the Vatican. Today it would probably not matter and the rest of the world would laud him as the greatest scientist of his kind, much like it happened for the discoverer of the Higgs-Boson lately in quite similar circumstances.

      The main beef I have with religion and its stance to science is that some people seem to make it a political issue. Mostly because they use religion as the base of their power, and if something shakes that foundation they start to lash out, even if that something is science and thus reality. This is pretty sad, and it doesn't do religion and service. Religion can be a great thing for people who want to believe in something, and personally I'd prefer them believing in bearded guys on fluffy clouds to some alien monster that tacks floating souls to their backs, if only 'cause I consider the former the lesser problematic delusion. But believe what you want, whether it's God, Allah, or your friend Harvey in the corner.

      Just leave it out of my laws, my schools and my face.

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  6. Re:0_0 by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Funny

    It has flash, and will show you porn - but only hetero, in the missionary position.

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  7. It's a customized Kindle by jdavidb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Family Christian is essentially a bookstore, and this is their "Nook" or "Kindle." I'm a little surprised they are big enough to do that, but it's attractive that they are offering an android tablet comparable to the Kindle Fire, for $50 less. That could be pretty useful, regardless of religion.

    My Dad and I shopped at the predecessor to Family Christian Stores years ago, when the name was changed from "Christian Bookstores" to "Christian Stores." We joked that you could go there and buy a Christian, and that obviously enslavement of Christians and throwing them to the lions had returned. I guess our humor probably isn't typical Christian humor. Mainly I think we were annoyed that the book selection shrank and the rest of the space was taken up with artwork and stuff.

    1. Re:It's a customized Kindle by Suddenly_Dead · · Score: 2

      Family Christian is essentially a bookstore, and this is their "Nook" or "Kindle." I'm a little surprised they are big enough to do that, but it's attractive that they are offering an android tablet comparable to the Kindle Fire, for $50 less. That could be pretty useful, regardless of religion.

      No, it's not comparable with the Kindle Fire. A spec comparison is here.

      Spec-wise, it looks like it's closer to the Nook Color (not the Nook Tablet), which is $170. However, it has a lower-resolution screen (800x480 compared to 1024x600), no 802.11n, and a resistive touchscreen instead of capacitive. You can get the exact same specs in an even cheaper Chinese tablet; I wouldn't be shocked if these are based on one of those, but rebranded and with Christian-themed software preinstalled.

    2. Re:It's a customized Kindle by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Family Christian is essentially a bookstore, and this is their "Nook" or "Kindle." I'm a little surprised they are big enough to do that,

      Step 1: email suppliers found via alibaba

      Step 2: get one of them to produce for you a branded tablet

      Step 3: Prophet!

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  8. High on Jesus by carrier+lost · · Score: 2

    At first glance I thought "Christian Tablet" referred to a drug you could use to become Christian.

    1. Re:High on Jesus by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Well, I know a few drugs that lets you speak with Jesus, if that's what you're after...

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  9. Re:Resistive Touch. Move along. by narcc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Capacitive touch screen suck at precision.

    Resistive touch screens are awesome for precision. If I wanted a tablet for writing or drawing, I'd be stupid to opt for a capacitive touch screen over a resistive touch screen.

    RIM has a patent on a hybrid resistive-capacitive touchscreen, which is really the best of both worlds. Finger fondling capacitive screen, cheap stylus friendly resistive touch screen. The Galaxy Note uses a more feature-rich Wacom digitizer which is awesome. It's a shame that they're the only company that understands how useful a stylus can be on a slab.

    To answer Steve Jobs' question, "Who wants a stylus?": just about everybody. (No, those fat fake rubber finger "stylus" things don't count. They don't even come close.)

  10. Specs compared to Nook & Kindle Fire by MSRedfox · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here are the specs when compared to the Nook Color, Nook Tablet, and Kindle Fire. https://img.skitch.com/20120622-umkafxaic4gwhdr26samdnd1h.jpg

  11. Will they call their "Walled Garden"... by otaku244 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Eden?"

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  12. Re:If the specs weren't kind of ass by infonography · · Score: 2

    What would happen if you held it upside down? A Satan pad?

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  13. Christian != "family-friendly" by wickerprints · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the summary: "But if you're looking to get in God's good graces, or you're simply in the market for a family-friendly tablet,..."

    Sorry, but Christian != "family-friendly." There is nothing "friendly" about brainwashing and indoctrinating your children into a superstitious, fearful, dogmatic, and guilt-obsessed worldview. Conversely, there is nothing intrinsically "unfriendly" about being non-Christian--i.e., it is a fallacy to imply that Christians have some kind of exclusive claim on being more wholesome or moral than others, simply by being Christian.

    Oh, and one more thing: this whole article is just a thinly-veiled slashvertisement.

    1. Re:Christian != "family-friendly" by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Come on, the bible is good wholesome reading for the whole family. Rape, pillaging, slavery, incest, pedophilia, bestiality, torture, biological warfare and glorification of questionable morals for all.

    2. Re:Christian != "family-friendly" by Empiric · · Score: 2, Insightful

      *citations needed

      Sure, I can see how its fun to claim that because something is mentioned in a book, the author fully advocates it and is "glorifying" it, even if he directly says the opposite viewpoint about the event, but the only problem there is its completely invalid. Unless you have some insight to share on how every historian writing about World War 2 is thereby of course saying we should all be Nazis, because they are mentioned in the book, that is. Why the double-standard with the knowledge of your own brain, and how you react to every other book in existence, every single day?

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    3. Re:Christian != "family-friendly" by LeanSystems · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What points of consensus on morality has the atheist community reached?

      Your ignorance shows no bounds and therefore I quit reading at that point. Atheism (a = not, theism = belief in a god) is anyone that does not believe in a God. There is not single belief system for atheist. That would be like asking if you can get clear consensus on any issue because all the people you ask live in the same city/state/country/planet.

      I would also add that you could easily ask 5 Christians about certian moral issues and recieve 5 different answers... examples are: what you can do on the sabbath, should a woman submit to her husband, does the Pope have devine power, is it allowed to have multiple wives, birth control, and abortion.

      So your smug comment will be applauded by Christians who probably have less in common with you than this atheist.

    4. Re:Christian != "family-friendly" by meglon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As long as it impacts me IN NO WAY, i don't care what they believe. However, i cannot fathom someone having the incredible level of ignorance or intentional stupidity required by that person to say that religion only affects "believers" and no one else, especially if you live in the US where fanatical religious extremists have been trying to indoctrinate kids through schooling, rewriting history, trying to elevate themselves above everyone else, and generally trying to subvert the freedom and liberty of ANYONE who doesn't "believe" like they do for decades upon decades.

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    5. Re:Christian != "family-friendly" by LeanSystems · · Score: 2

      -As a person-, you must have a coherent philosophical stance that, by definition, includes -ethics- as one of the core branches of philosophy. If you can't provide it, claiming or disclaiming "atheism" at the moment as convenient, you fail at life.

      Where did I say that I do not have a very solid set of morals? All I said was that just because I don't belive in a God (and just to be clear you don't believe in many Gods, just one less than I do), and some other guy doesn't believe in a God does not make us some how connected and required to live by the same moral code.

      I do have one overriding principle I live by: tolerance. For instance I will call you ignorant of these topics, as you have shown to lack some basic understanding of ethics and morality. However, I won't claim you "fail at life" because of that. In fact, as I stated in the previous post, I bet we agree on tons of subjects... the easiest of which are things like murder and rape.

      I hope you will seek truth with an open mind.

    6. Re:Christian != "family-friendly" by bolthole · · Score: 2
      Careful, your religion is showing. (Note: being an Atheist, doesnt mean you dont have a religion. it just means your religion doesnt have a god as its center)

      There is nothing "friendly" about brainwashing and indoctrinating your children into ....

      You probably dont have children, do you?

      The primary purpose of parenting (as opposed to, say, an orphanage) is to "indoctrinate", or one might even say brainwash, your children with what you believe is proper behaviour. So the first part of your sentence is not much more than redundantly referring to parenting in general, albeit in an extremely Christianphobic manner.

      Conversely, there is nothing intrinsically "unfriendly" about being non-Christian

      In theory, this is true. However, in practice, the most loud, publicized, "non-Christian" media viewpoints, do tend to indeed be very anti-family and anti morals.

      Family is, by common-sense, long-standing definition, the biological parents of children, staying together exclusively to raise, protect, and care for their children. In particular, the state of the parents is usually called "marriage".

      Sadly, the primarily anti-christian media is attacking just about every point of that. eg:

      • "No need to be faithful.. adultery isnt just okay, its exciting and good!"
      • "No need to stay with your children... do whatever feels good to YOU! The children will be fine with whoever"
      • "Heck, since all of the above is okay, what do we need marriage for? Lets just pervert it, and redefine it to be all about lust.. oops, I mean 'love', instead of family"
    7. Re:Christian != "family-friendly" by meglon · · Score: 2

      I also said this (after many other people said it): If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. UNTIL non-fanatic religious extremists stand up against the subversives, they are as much a part of the problem. The subversives gain power by these more mainstream people being silent, as their silence is taken as condoning said extremes passively if not actively. It's your religion, control the worst aspects of it, or everyone IS to blame.

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  14. Re:0_0 by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a man who considers himself Christian, I'm saying the same damned thing.

    Chalk it up to a scam angle used to push out crap tablets.

    (besides, if you want a bible on an iPad that bad, well: go get one - there's like a bajillion of them in there!)

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  15. Re:27 Translations, You Say? by retchdog · · Score: 3, Informative

    here ya go: http://www.biblegateway.com/

    no registration necessary!

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  16. Re:who posts by Splodgey · · Score: 3, Informative

    Engraving is free........much like being a penis

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  17. Re:If the specs weren't kind of ass by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nothing would happen, unlike your tablet that erases itself when you turn it upside down.

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  18. Re:0_0 by digitig · · Score: 2

    I can see a big advantage to this: if it's been baptized by total immersion then I needn't worry about dropping it in the bath!

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  19. Really? THIS made the front page? by sjbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Umm, why are we giving what is almost certainly a crappy piece of equipment with a marketing tie in to a bizarre cult the time of day? Someone who is dumb enough or deluded enough to buy one of these they certainly isn't reading slashdot. If people want to go off and read their weird, nonsensical stories about invisible friends in the sky, fine. But this certainly isn't news for nerds nor is it stuff that matters.

  20. Right next to Ubuntu Christian edition! by davydagger · · Score: 2

    I guess it would be done sooner or later. Thats the power of free software/open source. If you don't like it, write your own version. Looks a lot like android. So we now have Android Christian edition, in addition to Ubuntu Christian Edition.

    I can firmly say as an unbeliever I won't be buying one, but I as long as they share their source code, I wish them well.

  21. Re:0_0 by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not if you take your bath in holy water, because your ordinary secular water will probably damage its holy spirit. You can easily tell, if it starts smoking, that's the holy spirit escaping and it's a good thing it won't work anymore because it's not blessed anymore.

    Of course you got warranty, though, you can claim it in the afterlife.

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  22. Re:0_0 by Slugster · · Score: 2

    ... Chalk it up to a scam angle used to push out crap tablets. ...

    Speaking of pushing crap, I have noticed something odd over the years:
    Christianity and White Supremacists both have the same problem of attracting youth, and both Christian and White Supremacist music generally sucks.

    On the Christian side you could say Sam Phillips and Jars of Clay weren't bad, but Sam Phillips 'left' Christian music before her biggest albums.
    ,,,
    And on the White Supremacist side, there's,,,, ? Anyone? I don't know any, except maybe that David Allen Coe 2-album weirdness.

    (If there is any other genuinely talented acts of either genre, feel free to mention them)

  23. Re:Their guranatee: by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Well, I'm not sure about that, you know that old joke: A priest, a gay guy and a pedo go into a bar and orders a drink...

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  24. Re:27 Translations, You Say? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of my favorite sites.

    Whenever you need to take a Bible quote out of context to tick the religious guys off, you may rest assured that there is a version that makes whatever point you're trying to make.

    Proof?

    It's in the bible that Jesus was a Pedo. No, really. Just read Matt. 19:14, King James: "But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."

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  25. Re:Really? THIS made the front page? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Hey, I had a hard day and I come here to unwind, and I've had more laughs in the few minutes reading this than I had all day during the meetings!

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  26. Re:0_0 by spauldo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I used to listen to some christian rock when I was a kid.

    There was some good stuff out there. Whitecross had a couple albums I really liked - they fit into the glam rock scene that was popular before the grunge bus ran everyone over. Petra had some good stuff if you like keyboard-heavy REO Speedwagon type stuff. Mortification was a christian band, although I could never make out the lyrics - growling death metal wasn't my thing. A lot of people liked Stryper, but I never got into them. There was more, but it's been twenty years.

    My parents bought me a DC Talk CD once, but since I wasn't into rap I can't really comment on the quality. Kinda Run-DMCish, IIRC, but I'm no expert.

    There's a christian station in our town, and it plays "comtemporary christian" music. Easy listening type stuff, generally. I couldn't stand it then, and I can't stand it now.

    I imagine there's still a market for christian rock groups, and if nothing's changed, there's probably some good stuff out there. It's a good niche for the right group. You probably won't find any Jimi Hendrixes or Randy Rhoads in there, but you might find a Joe Perry or a Kip Winger.

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  27. Re:0_0 by petsounds · · Score: 4, Informative

    The skinhead culture started in the early 60s, when reggae and rocksteady were big in Britain. For whatever reason, the culture adopted the music and the style and fused it with their working class fashion. At the time, there was nothing inherently racist about skinheads. That happened in the 70s and early 80s, mostly fueled by racist ideas of foreigners stealing jobs in what was a depressed economy. It was this racist form of skinhead that was imported into the U.S. Most people in the US only equate the term with white supremacists.

    By the way, the British film This Is England does a pretty great job of covering the early 80s skinhead scene, and is just a really good film in general.

  28. Re:27 Translations, You Say? by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2

    where's the revised standard version?
    Sigh.
    I suppose mainline protestantism is truly dead.

    Oh well. There's always atheism.

  29. Incorrect by Wrexs0ul · · Score: 4, Funny

    This tablet was perfectly created a week ago as-is on the developer's desk, it did not evolve over years like the iPad.

    -Matt

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  30. Re:0_0 by Mabhatter · · Score: 3, Funny

    And only properly married, monogamous couples.

  31. Re:0_0 by Mabhatter · · Score: 2

    There is a large movement that everything in the world is the boggeyman or Satan in disguise. So it's only safe to buy stuff if you can't be tempted by bad things. This company is a large Christian book seller and publisher, just catering to their market.

    The people that would buy this wouldn't set foot in Barnes and Noble anyway because the have all sorts of "unholy" books there, even books about SEX. They certianly wouldn't be going to Amazon (on their 56k dial-up).

  32. Re:27 Translations, You Say? by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 2

    The RSV is under copyright, but available and distributable online. It is considered to be heresy by the fundamentalists, since the more accurated translation doesn't feed their biases. That's what the GP was taking a stab at.

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  33. Multiple translations = good by nikolardo · · Score: 2

    As silly as this is, it's actually pretty neat to see a Christian organization putting out a) technology with b) multiple English translations of the bible. Maybe it'll help a few of the more ignorant Christians realize that the King James version is not the one allegedly handed down by god.

  34. Re:0_0 by Diss+Champ · · Score: 2

    Most don't fit into the easy listening category, and are worth checking out as well done christian music in their various styles:

    Daniel Amos/DA, The Lost Dogs, The Choir, The 77s/Seventy-Sevens, Rez/Ressurection Band, Glass Harp, early Sixpence None The Richer

    Because they did a good job artistically (IMHO) they didn't achieve the # mentions of Jesus per song quota to get as much radio play as many of artists that wound up defining the genre for most people.

    Note that in DA's case, they change musical styles (well) with the times, so pick an album from a time period you are happy with.

  35. Re:0_0 by SirSlud · · Score: 2

    I'm not Christian, but Take 6 is an unabashedly Christian group that also happens to be a very critically acclaimed (10 Grammys) and are pretty fantastic even to my sinful atheist ears: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcg9OV8ZVuI&feature=related

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  36. Re:0_0 by omnichad · · Score: 2

    Looking at your list, I would guess you know where I'm talking about if I said my hometown was Bushnell, IL.

  37. Re:0_0 by Diss+Champ · · Score: 2

    Some highlights I caught this year:

    77s & The Violet Burning had great sets

    Steve Taylor screening Blue Like Jazz and doing a Q&A.

    The Choir doing all of Chase The Kangaroo for the very last show

    I'm going to miss that place.