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Holy iPad Slayer! Company Releases World's First Christian Tablet
Velcroman1 writes "Steve Jobs worshippers need not apply. But if you're looking to get in God's good graces, or you're simply in the market for a family-friendly tablet, you may want to check out Family Christian's Edifi. Billed as the world's first Christian tablet, its genesis came with the inevitable intersection of technology and religion, according to Brian Honorable, a technology supervisor at Family Christian, the group that sells the tablet. 'We wanted to be able to offer our customers the ability to use our Holy Bible application, which has 27 different English translations of the Bible,' Honorable said."
As the kids say nowadays: What is this, I don't even....
Pretty sure Moses did it first!
There's an app for that...
Absolutely guranteed to not be built by gays, athiests, or dirty brown people.
Or do all 10 commandments fit on to one tablet this time?
Arranged them as a cross. That would have awesome.
Bonus: it folds up into a cube. Then the goths would make "hellraiser" jokes and the Christians wouldn't get it
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
quoting:
"The battery is actually stronger than everybody else out there on the market.â
if we feed the christian pad to a Li-Ion, will the romans return again, do you think?
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Only way this could be an iPad slayer was if the iPad ran OS X Lion.
We’re looking at other things, probably a newer tablet
Yeah, uh, so when we start producing the new Edifi 2.0, it's going to be all new and shit.
Wake me when we have a working space elevator, so we can send these wackjobs to meet their god.
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Ha ha ha. the inevitable intersection of technology and religion. Lol.
Hey, Christians have been communicating with God via tablets for centuries now. Since Moses 1.0 I believe. Surely they have the patent on that, right?
I assume whoever is referring to this device as the "first Christian Tablet" has never been inside a Mardel store.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
I would consider getting one just to defile it.
Support the EFF and Creative Commons. The war is coming, and they're supporting you...
Step right up, child. :P
I wasn't aware that a gadget could believe in Jesus as its Lord and savior.
I wonder if AFA will boycott this too
"That's right...I said it."
Moses: The Lord, the Lord Jehovah has given unto you these fifteen...
[drops one of the tablets]
Moses: Oy! Ten! Ten commandments for all to obey!
I've got better things to do tonight than die.
Unless it come in Stone, then it not worth it.
If only they'd get themselves their own planet...then the rest of us can relax a bit and advance as a society without all of the dead weight...
truly the stupidest thing that I have heard all week.
Why is it that most of the people that I encounter seem to have been shat from the Sphincter of Mediocrity?
Family Christian is essentially a bookstore, and this is their "Nook" or "Kindle." I'm a little surprised they are big enough to do that, but it's attractive that they are offering an android tablet comparable to the Kindle Fire, for $50 less. That could be pretty useful, regardless of religion.
My Dad and I shopped at the predecessor to Family Christian Stores years ago, when the name was changed from "Christian Bookstores" to "Christian Stores." We joked that you could go there and buy a Christian, and that obviously enslavement of Christians and throwing them to the lions had returned. I guess our humor probably isn't typical Christian humor. Mainly I think we were annoyed that the book selection shrank and the rest of the space was taken up with artwork and stuff.
Secession is the right of all sentient beings.
Good luck returning it.
At first glance I thought "Christian Tablet" referred to a drug you could use to become Christian.
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Capacitive touch screen suck at precision.
Resistive touch screens are awesome for precision. If I wanted a tablet for writing or drawing, I'd be stupid to opt for a capacitive touch screen over a resistive touch screen.
RIM has a patent on a hybrid resistive-capacitive touchscreen, which is really the best of both worlds. Finger fondling capacitive screen, cheap stylus friendly resistive touch screen. The Galaxy Note uses a more feature-rich Wacom digitizer which is awesome. It's a shame that they're the only company that understands how useful a stylus can be on a slab.
To answer Steve Jobs' question, "Who wants a stylus?": just about everybody. (No, those fat fake rubber finger "stylus" things don't count. They don't even come close.)
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It's funny you should say that. This is from the receipt for the Ipad I ordered in March.....
Personalised iPad with Wi-Fi 64GB - Black (3rd generation) ..
Engraving
Jeebus salvabit nos
Splodge 2012
Sigs are for losers....oh wait...damnit
27 different ways to literally interpret the Bible? Where do I sign up?
We had to make our own Tablet since our Bible app wouldn't run on Heathen Hardware.
This is of course Tablet 2.0, a massive technological improvement and over 100lbs lighter than the Tablets God gave Moses.
Here are the specs when compared to the Nook Color, Nook Tablet, and Kindle Fire. https://img.skitch.com/20120622-umkafxaic4gwhdr26samdnd1h.jpg
Worst tablet evar
Sorry about the writing. Robot fingers, you know? Cliff Steele in DOOM PATROL #23
OS listed as "Android" though the screenshot makes it pretty obvious it's running something that's not ICS. Doesn't mention the google play store either. Doesn't mention what sort of arm CPU it is.
This means it's a cheap knockoff device that will never see updates and won't be any sort of long term value.
I'm not a Christian but I can't imagine any sort of god would look kindly upon selling cheap Chinese made crap with a Christian theme slapped on to it to drive sales.. Oh wait.. I just described every "christian bookstore" I've ever been to. I've always known there's been an industry of selling cheap knockoff christian-themed products that are more or less copies of the "secular" counterparts. Music, books, movies, tv shows. You name it.. I've always wondered how big it is.
"Eden?"
Mod me down, I shall become more off-topic than you could possibly imagine.
From the summary: "But if you're looking to get in God's good graces, or you're simply in the market for a family-friendly tablet,..."
Sorry, but Christian != "family-friendly." There is nothing "friendly" about brainwashing and indoctrinating your children into a superstitious, fearful, dogmatic, and guilt-obsessed worldview. Conversely, there is nothing intrinsically "unfriendly" about being non-Christian--i.e., it is a fallacy to imply that Christians have some kind of exclusive claim on being more wholesome or moral than others, simply by being Christian.
Oh, and one more thing: this whole article is just a thinly-veiled slashvertisement.
I think a touch sensitive screen could be sinful Will you need to repent, do penance and pray for forgiveness after use? Can you use it to get to http://www.darwinawards.com/?
Capacitive works okay for short notes, which is all the writing you'd do on a tablet. As far as drawing is concerned, God created the Wacom tablets/screens for that. A resistive touchscreen doesn't even come close to one of those and is about as useless (or useful) as a capacitive one.
Step 1: take a cheap-ass discounted $50 tablet
(android 1.x and some 2.x tablets are dropping in price, not to mention RIM playbooks)
Step 2: add some religious software and branding
(project gutenberg is a good source of free religious books)
Step 3: market it to religious groups
(especially those that are technically ignorant; oh look what granny bought you for X-mas)
Step 4: profit $$$.
Step 5: (optional..) repent for your soul at your death-bed.
Repeat the above steps for Buddhist, Christian, Islamic, Jewish, Hindu, etc.
Engraving is free........much like being a penis
Sigs are for losers....oh wait...damnit
Specifically, Ubuntu Satanic Edition.
Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
Umm, why are we giving what is almost certainly a crappy piece of equipment with a marketing tie in to a bizarre cult the time of day? Someone who is dumb enough or deluded enough to buy one of these they certainly isn't reading slashdot. If people want to go off and read their weird, nonsensical stories about invisible friends in the sky, fine. But this certainly isn't news for nerds nor is it stuff that matters.
I think they used mostly scrolls by the time Christians came along.
I guess it would be done sooner or later. Thats the power of free software/open source. If you don't like it, write your own version. Looks a lot like android. So we now have Android Christian edition, in addition to Ubuntu Christian Edition.
I can firmly say as an unbeliever I won't be buying one, but I as long as they share their source code, I wish them well.
......and trolling anonymously is healthy and constructive? It could be that we're both losers....but I'm the loser who doesn't see an Ipad as elitist. Some people (such as I) have fine motor skill issues and find Keyboard/mouse hard to use.
If you're purely on an anti-Apple troll however, I have an Android tablet too......but as much as I want it to be as good as an Ipad, it just isn't. Not for partisan reasons, it just isn't :-)
Sigs are for losers....oh wait...damnit
oh, wait...
yeah, but the mice they used to scroll, back then, are LONG dead by now!
this is why no one has gotton past the first page of any of the ancient scrolls.
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you did know that, right?? that this isn't a service to us, for us or by us?
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ITYM "Honorable Brian" and "Christian Family".
Thank you, I'm here every night this week!
Do you see what I did there?
Con men seldom worry about things like including up-to-date technology in their products.
When you can convince people that they need special religious hand-held computers instead of the evil secular hand-held computers, I'm pretty sure you can convince them that multi-touch and dual-core processors are the devil's work.
Hell, I'm surprised that they're not just selling a piece of glass glued to a piece of plastic and telling the customers to pray harder. If you think I'm exaggerating, you can go on cable TV right now and buy a special "prayer handkerchief" that is guaranteed to make your prayers more effective.
In the world of religion, "plug and pray" is a feature, not a bug. And you know why? Because His ways are not our ways. I know this because today Mitt Romney said those very words in a speech to a group of voters. "His ways are not our ways". I'm not kidding. He wants to be President.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I disagree. Back when PDAs were all-the-rage I wrote constantly on those old resistive touchscreens -- it made up the majority of my PDAs use! Tablets offer the opportunity to write more than just short-notes, and the capacitive touchscreen makes even that simple task difficult and frustrating.
Sketching out diagrams, taking meeting notes, etc. are all much better served by a resistive touchscreen or with a Wacom-style digitizer pen.
We've given up far too much utility in exchange for the very few extras gained by "modern" capacitive touchscreens. The Galaxy Note is on the right track. I expect we'll look back on that product as visionary in the future.
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âoeIt goes along with our mission: trying to get people closer to God ⦠through a tablet.â I guess telling people they are going to burn in hell for being different than you isn't marketing well right now.
Actually, *Moses* released the first Christian tablet. . . a pair of them if I recall. At five commandments per tablet, though, pretty limited storage.
I really thought it was a Slayer themed iPad. As in, "unHoly iPad: The Slayer. The first themed iPad - and first to device to block all Christian communications!"
If it ever fails it will come back to life again in 3 days, so no worries!
Users will be taking the Lord's name in vain within 5 minutes of turning it on.
Good grief, you want to say there's MORE than those 10 commandments? Most people already have trouble with those, more would clearly overtax them.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
If you want to use a stylus, I suppose you're right. But most people probably, though I have no statistics to back this up, prefer using their finger. It all depends on the use case. If you want to use a stylus to do things like graffiti-style entry, resistive is the way to go. But, if you prefer the ruggedness of being able to have a solid Gorilla Glass touchscreen, the ease of tapping icons, scrolling with flicks and pinch/zoom with multi-touch, resistive can't handle the task.
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Hey, I had a hard day and I come here to unwind, and I've had more laughs in the few minutes reading this than I had all day during the meetings!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I'd guess you have to jailbreak that one... or maybe in this case it's rather an exorcism than a jailbreak...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
You can disagree all you want but that doesn't make it so. Any one of the Samsung galaxy phones is a much better choice to take notes or sketch on than any of my resistive PDAs (tested first-hand against my Newton, my two Clies and my Dell Axim). Even a relatively modern resistive touchscreen device like the Sharp Netwalker isn't any better than a capacitive sensor on a phone.
I'm not arguing the benefits of a resistive touch screen over a modern digitizer -- I even acknowledged its superiority of resistive touch screens in my earliest reply.
I'm arguing that a resistive touch screen is superior for pen-style inputs to a capacitive touch screen in every respect -- For example: it's less expensive in terms of cost, computation, and power-use and offers dramatically higher-precision than capacitive screens.
I further argue that the benefits that capacitive touch screens bring to slab devices are insufficient to overcome the drawbacks they bring with them -- nearly all of which are related to the poor precision they offer, to say nothing of the poor response of the technology to a broad class of user. (Women in particular have difficulty with capacitive touchscreens as their hands tend to be smaller and cooler than a mans hands.)
The biggest benefit capacitive touch screens offer is Mutli-touch, which doesn't offer much over "pinch-to-zoom" (games would be the only other benefit). Sure, Apple's products rely heavily on muti-touch gestures, but that's a result of poor UI decisions made for early iOS products. Taping onscreen targets is a mix -- you no longer need a pen, but you also need significantly larger targets.
Now, in exchange for those few benefits you give up precision making tasks like writing and drawing, clicking small targets (like on a web page), repositioning a text-cursor and selecting text, and other tasks which require high-precision more complicated, slower, and otherwise needlessly difficult.
A capacitive touch screen is clearly inferior to a resistive touch screen if your needs require precision.
Newer technologies like we're seeing in products like the Galaxy Note are undoubtedly going to play a significant role in the future, if the touch screen fad continues. A point to which I did not disagree.
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But, if you prefer the ruggedness of being able to have a solid Gorilla Glass touchscreen, the ease of tapping icons, scrolling with flicks and pinch/zoom with multi-touch, resistive can't handle the task.
Well, I don't recall too many smashed displays on older Palms like I see on today's insta-break Gorilla Glass displays. I'm not sure "rugged" is the right word -- it's more "scratch resistant" than anything else.
I've mentioned elsewhere, that while tapping over-sized icons and pinch to zoom are fine features, you give up far too much in exchange. (I didn't mention scrolling with flicks as it seems silly to me. A stylus and a scroll bar are far more efficient when moving to the top or bottom of a page, or quickly jumping to a specific part of a long document. Flicking is fun, but is otherwise less precise and far less efficient. I don't know how many times I've been annoyed by the very slow process scrolling gesture while trying to get to the top of a page.)
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The majority, if not all, of the New Testament was originally written in Greek. It makes sense for the time - Greek was the language of scholars.
The books of Moses (i.e. the first five of the Old Testament) were written in Hebrew, which requires more than just a font change to display. There are special libraries for dealing with it, since it's read right to left and has some funky indention rules (IIRC, I'm no expert).
Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach either, do tech support.
Please pinch to enlarge target.
You are obviously using the capacitive sensor the wrong way or with the wrong software. Here are some hints for you:
http://download.autodesk.com/us/sketchbookpro/mobile/sketchbook_mobile_features_620x388.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f43Exu02w5A
Indeed, you must. I'd consider that a (poor) solution to a problem caused by capacitive touch screens -- not a benefit offered by the technology.
With a stylus, small targets are no problem. Even something like the optical trackpad on BlackBerry phones is faster and more intuitive than pinch-to-zoom-because-my-target-is-too--small. (Of course, the optical trackpad is advantaged over the stylus in this instance as it retains single-handed use, which you lose with both the stylus and the pinch-to-zoom gesture.)
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Lol, I suppose I must be holding it wrong!
I'm not sure what the video was trying to demonstrate -- it very clearly shows the problems and how poor solutions to writing on a capacitive touch-screen truly are. Take a look at 6:20 or so when he's writing. Full screen, giant letters, poor response from the unit. Contrast that with, well, writing on a resistive touchscreen.
There are clear and obvious problems with capacitive touch screens. I don't know why everyone is so quick to defend them -- we ought to be demanding better solutions, not lobbying for a technology clearly inadequate for use-cases to which tablets and slab-phones would otherwise be uniquely well-suited.
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This tablet was perfectly created a week ago as-is on the developer's desk, it did not evolve over years like the iPad.
-Matt
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The videos show that you can easily make very precise and detailed drawings and easily take notes on a device with a capacitive sensor. I am surprised the conclusion has escaped you.
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Odd, I came the the exact opposite conclusion. It looked like you had to go out of your way to manage simple tasks like hand-writing a note. Consider performing the same tasks in the video to the equivalent with a resistive touch screen and the differences should be obvious.
Remember "can be done" is absolutely not the same as "can be done well". What that video shows is how much additional effort is necessary to accomplish those sorts of tasks -- not how "easily" it can be done -- on a capacitive touch screen.
I'm sorry. The fondle interface is just not a good fit for a great deal of otherwise obvious uses for slab-like mobile computers. Jobs was absolutely wrong about the stylus -- as the market for even the very poor fat-finger type stylus products shows.
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Well, I'm sorrier than you are.
The capacitive sensor accuracy is more than adequate and the multitouch gestures are invaluable for the tasks under discussion -- drawing sketches and taking notes. I've shown examples already. To beat those, you need a good Wacom-like sensor, and that is a very far cry from a simple resistive sensor.
I don't know what kind of magical device have YOU been using, but on the ones I have experience with (listed above) taking notes and especially drawing diagrams is much more cumbersome than on modern multi-touch tablets with capacitive screens.
You had to go much farther out of your way to write notes or draw comprehensible diagrams on a resistive sensor device similar in size to a modern phone if only because you had to interrupt your workflow to zoom in/out all the time. The volume button on windows mobile was a really poor substitute for the pinch-zoom.
Besides, I don't understand why are you complaining at all. The capacitive sensor is good enough for 95% of the use cases out there, including all use cases with a resistive sensor. But if you can't live without one, there are a number of resistive sensor tablets you can buy today and the prices are not all that high. There are also some tablets that come with sensor AND a digitizer. They are more expensive, but, again, if you need one, just go get one.
The Galaxy Note uses a more feature-rich Wacom digitizer which is awesome. It's a shame that they're the only company that understands how useful a stylus can be on a slab.
They're not the only company by far. Lenovo Thinkpad tablet is also capacitive touchscreen + digitizer. Of the upcoming stuff, a good half of announced Win8 tablets have that, including all from Asus and Microsoft Surface itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TAtRCJIqnk
Christian techies should download e-Sword. As an atheist, this is one of the best bible references you can use. You also actually can compare the different versions of the Bible instead of language translations of one version.
Well, this is a waste of my time. The objective facts are that capacitive touch screens are significantly less precise compared to the older technology are are, consequently, not well suited to tasks such as handwriting recognition.
As I thought I made clear before, that you can sort-of accomplish the same task by piling on additional steps and complexity does not in any way make the two technologies equivalent or just as well suited to the same sorts of tasks.
But Go ahead and believe whatever nonsense you want. I learned a long time ago that it's impossible to reason with religious people.
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Cool. Thanks for that.
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Billed as the world's first Christian tablet
But does it run Linux?
("Steve Jobs"? Pudge, is that you?)
The objective fact is that the tasks you claim are hard to accomplish with a capacitive sensor are easily and comfortably accomplished. Everything else is just snobbery and trolling on your part.
That's subjective, not objective. The difference is precision, however, is objective. It's no wonder you're having so much trouble here as such simple concepts seem to be completely beyond your reach.
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As silly as this is, it's actually pretty neat to see a Christian organization putting out a) technology with b) multiple English translations of the bible. Maybe it'll help a few of the more ignorant Christians realize that the King James version is not the one allegedly handed down by god.
That's subjective, not objective.
No, the better usability of a capacitive touchscreen is not subjective.
Your preference for a stylus is subjective and clouds your judgement of the superior usability that a multitouch interface provides. A capacitive screen that supports a pen is even better, but a single-touch resistive device is clearly inferior to a capacitive one for the purposes of drawing and note-taking assuming that suitable software is available. And suitable software is available.
The difference is precision, however, is objective
The small difference in the sensor datasheets is objective, but it doesn't matter in use, because it is compensated for easily. However, you cannot compensate easily the other deficiencies of the resistive sensor.
such simple concepts seem to be completely beyond your reach
Your righteous butt-hurt is preventing you from seeing what is important. You try to support your point by focusing on one simple concept of sensor precision, instead of the more relevant issue of the usability of the whole package.
I sketch and write a lot, so to me what's on the specs sheets is irrelevant as long as it doesn't get in my way.
Hater gonna hate. There's damn good reasons to use the laser engraving process, especially if it's free. We ordered 10 iPads for a pilot project, and had them all engraved with asset numbers. It cost nothing, and it was unobtrusive and unremovable without replacing the backplate, unlike a sticker that can be removed with a hobby knife and some mild solvent.
But I guess you already knew that, since you were being nice and condescending from behind your anonymity. Douchebag.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
I just confirmed with the company through Twitter that "their" bible app is YouVersion, which is available on any Android or iOS device. So my first suspicion was correct. They are simply trying to make money off of other people's products. Douchebaggery at its finest.
what i want to know is why most christians seem to be afraid of FLOSS stuff (and always seem to write stuff with a Closed Source must give me lots of money type license).
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I assume whoever is referring to this device as the "first Christian Tablet" has never been inside a Mardel store.
That's just an eReader Ipad app. But . . .
We'd hate for you to share THE BIBLE. I guess revivals now require a site license.
Engraving makes it harder to sell stolen ones. Makes it slightly less likely to be stolen.
I appreciate your post; it's very informative to me, as I'm a tablet neophyte. I'd be interested in hearing your recommendation for a stylus.
Secession is the right of all sentient beings.
If I had to guess, I would say that this is a cheapo tablet (you can get a 1GHz Allwinner tablet with the same specs, android 4.x; a capacitive screen for under $90) with some Jesus-left software in it. Much like some of the Church based versions of Linux.
It appears that you pay an extra $60 for the Churchbuntu software integrated with it. Perhaps I should buy one for my girlfriends mother;p
If it dies just wait 3 days
No, the better usability of a capacitive touchscreen is not subjective.
Lol, call me when you learn the difference between subjective and objective.
I think I've made my point about the deficiencies of capacitive touch screens. I honestly don't understand your position that because you can work around their limitations with additional effort over alternatives they're better for all use cases.
I sketch and write a lot, so to me what's on the specs sheets is irrelevant as long as it doesn't get in my way.
Ah, but as we've seen on your video, it does get in the way! I know, you think that because with additional effort the limitations can be overcome for writing tasks that the technology is somehow better for the task that a technology that does not require additional effort to complete the task it's somehow better.
It's pretty obvious that I'm not going to get anywhere here. Enjoy zooming in on everything.
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I think I've made my point about the deficiencies of capacitive touch screens
Sure, and I showed you that the "deficiencies" you talk about are mostly imaginary.
as we've seen on your video, it does get in the way
No, we haven't seen it, because you have failed to show an example of a resistive sensor touchscreen device that allows doing something similar with less work.
I'm not going to get anywhere here
Of course. You keep arguing the same thing over and over-- that sensor resolution is the only thing that matters, when it is clearly not so. What are you expecting, the facts to change because you expect them to? Lemme tell you, it isn't going to happen soon.
No, that's not the only thing I argued. I give up. It's like I'm talking to a particularly stupid rock.
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Kindle Bible
I must be completely missing the point of this hardware.
Am I to assume that circuit boards, LCD pixels, etc. in a configuration thusly makes this a holy item, somehow endorsed by God? Am I to further assume that they invented it so that they could get their favorite in-house Bible application its own platform upon which to be used? (Never you mind that there are probably a hundred of those apps out there.)
As a Christian, I consider this utterly stupid, and (theologically-speaking) wonder if it's just a product of pride and greed (that is, "the usual business model," plus pride)...if I were to guess. If so, this is very Christian, indeed. /sarcsasm
The jokes about it being able to run a web browser, Flash, and therefore pornography, violent movies, etc. are, of course, rather insightful. Maybe it's "Christian" because its hardware is too crappy to play one of those evil violent video games...? *facepalm*
Maybe some Christian more brilliant than I am will shortly enlighten me...
I'm not a Christian, but my music collection contains some stuff with Christian themes
Bob Dylan had a born-again phase, with three such albums. I like the Slow Train Coming and Saved albums; I haven't listened to Shot Of Love.
Johnny Cash was a devout believer his entire life and often involved this material, but I don't have any whole albums of it. Sometimes it was originals, sometimes it was gospel classics. Life's Railway To Heaven seemed particularly fitting for him, since he also did a lot of train songs.
Some other acts touched on it less obviously or less often, giving me a few other examples here and there.
PS
Katy Perry did that stuff before getting into pop, but I have the "Katy Hudson" album and feel it's profoundly mediocre
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
Gawd, that stuff sucks.
Prussian Blue (Lamb and Lynx Gaedes) is the worst singing I've ever heard, and this comes from someone who's listened to a lot of modern mainstream pop. their racist mother forced them into it, so there's a lack of enthusiasm there.
Skrewdriver is a classic of the genre, alright classic punk sound. Battlecry, more recent, sounds kinda like classic metal.
Also, not White Supremacist, but those Westboro Baptist Church folks put out some interesting fundamentalist-themed song parodies
Even if the music is alright from a technical/artistic perspective, I avoid listening to it because I don't want those ideas getting stuck in my head.
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.