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EU Commission: CETA 'Totally Different From ACTA'
itwbennett writes "Slashdot readers will remember the hullaballoo that arose yesterday over a leaked version of CETA containing key clauses that were 'nearly identical to ones found in ACTA.' Now the European Commission is saying you shouldn't believe every leak you see and that the 'language being negotiated on CETA regarding Internet is now totally different from ACTA.' Well, maybe with the exception of language that appears in both CETA and ACTA but didn't 'originate' in ACTA and therefore doesn't count."
It has an E instead of an A. That's good enough, right?
What a bunch of fucks. It seems that we won't get rid of attempts of pushing more or less fascist copyright regulation (with censorship attached) until we get rid of them.
European Commission are corporate whores. They don't really care about wants and needs of the people and never ever had. How is this news? They had same kind of "screw everyone, we'll do what we want" attitude when it came to software patents several years ago.
--Coder
The ACTA/etc folks are just like that sleazy guy in the bar.
They have "negs", designed to make you feel bad and insecure about yourself. Piracy is costing the American economy billions. You're the most beautiful woman/man in this bar. You wouldn't steal a handbag. Of course I have no STIs. You wouldn't steal a car...
They'll buy you drinks and they'll tell you any lie you want to hear. They're an astronaut. They drive a Porche. The wording of CETA is totally different from ACTA.
They'll lie out their arses no matter how many times you say no, because all they need is one yes and they've fucked you.
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and make sure they don't get elected again. meet in the city center in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
oh, and somebody bring those "fireworks" left over from Euro 2012
Honestly, I am surprised they tried again this quick. Normally the politicians let such a controversial issue die down and then slips it under the radar when no-one is watching. This will be interesting to watch....
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Well given the wording is/was the same, it's being negotiated by the same parties with the same lobbyists in the same secret way how can the outcome be any different?!
The problem here remains, the EU Commission is appointed not elected. It does not answer to the electorate. The way its chosen is akin to the way the Eurovision song contest is decided. All politics and national loyalties and favour buying and nothing to do with the best songs.
You can't even fire your national government for choosing Barroso, because it's not like you know whether the opposition will fire him or not. Its a vote among the National leaders. If Barroso has pushed enough unpopular legislation through the EU for enough governments then he will be chosen again.
The fundamental problem with the EU is the EU Commission, and ACTA 2 shows this.
At no time should ACTA have ever morphed from the counterfeit treaty to a copyright treaty, the EU Commission went out of it's mandate, and yet there was no way to stop them. Even now the EU Commission believes that if it can get the ECJ declare the treaty compatible with human rights legislation, that somehow it's still OK to drive it through over the elected government.
Endlessly undermining Europes core freedoms, endlessly siding with foreign lobby groups and foreign powers, endless politics and game playing, and you don't even get to vote him a 'null point'.
Because 'CETA' !== 'ACTA'. Next article, please!
1. COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum
2. Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
3. Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
4. How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent)
5. Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression
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COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..
There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'
Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'
If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.
Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'
A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'
Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quic
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First ACTA, then CISPA, now CETA ? What Next ?
They are playing a tiring game. I for one will not stand for censorship of our Internet. I will go to the streets if this passes and let them know.
EU seems to be a way to unify all countries and enforce these damn censorship and control laws anywhere. Only way to break EU is to go our own way and break free from the chains. All they can do is try and test us, but if we come out unified as the People, they cannot do anything, as we are the majority.
the big problem with both CETA and ACTA is the fact that they are negotiated in secrecy and would then imposed on everybody (ratification by the same people who designed it).
This is not a democratic process.
You must be mistaking the EU for a democracy.... the European Commissioners are not elected but appointed and things have to get pretty extreme before they can be held accountable
you shouldn't believe every leak you see
You know, that wouldn't be a problem if you would show the citizens the treaties you are considering subjecting them to.
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GTFO.
That is all.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
It's clearly different.
Just look at the font!
This is outrageous. This is NOT democracy. This pisses over all European values and laughs while doing so.
The European Parliament must demand that the EU Commission resigns immediately!
They have done it in the past, and they can do it now. This behaviour is simply UNACCEPTABLE.
The European Parliament MUST keep on fighting the EU Commission for as long as those paid saboteurs are intent on turning this planet into a giant prison where all pursuit of culture creation, happiness and quality of life is subservient to the profit motive.
I never said it was a democracy. However, when one looks up an EU Commissioner, the first three pieces of information are State, Party, and Name. When you don't vote for the party, the individual has no power. And, when you have 5-7 parties/country, each really wants to keep their percentage of votes, so they'll keep "their" Commissioner in line or face the consequences at the polls. A protest just gets the message across in a more rapid manner.
Here is an table with comparison: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6580/135/
So, the wording that appears in both documents have been copy-and-pasted from somewhere else?
Sorry, I mean, the words have been STOLEN from another source, those filthy filthy pirates!!!
Sounds like usual '**** off, we know what we are doing, and errr, we didn't copied ACTA text there, it just happened to to be there! So, nothing to worry about, no ACTA!' when someone is caught red-handed. And sorry, no official draft available for everyone to analyze - no trust.
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Aren't you talking about the European Parliament? They are directly elected from the countries, and they are the ones who rejected ACTA. The commission, on the other hand, is picked by the governments of the individual countries (IIRC), which makes them two steps removed from direct elections. Much of the politics of EU for the last half decade or so has been the parliament wrestling power from the commission and bureacrats.
No no, this is completely wrong.
It does not matter how many votes the party has. The commissioner is in his/her seat and makes the decisions.
Each commissioner has a working field, so it is not that they are deciding together and outvoting eachother.
Commissioners are appointed in a "we from this country grant that country the commissioner for xxx when we can get the one for yyy" fashion,
and then internal to the country a suitable person is found in the circles of retired politicians.
These politicians usually have done everything during their political career to get the attention of big business.
Commissioners aren't life positions. The previous commissioners lasted respectively 5 years, 1 year, 4 years, 1 year, 1 year. Gucht came in during 2010. Presumeably when everyone runs out of patience with him, he might be persuaded to go spend some time with his family.
Politicians always tell the truth, especially when it's about secretly negotiated treaties, right?
...we need actual penalties on politicians who undermine the constitution and such likes.
Right now, they can try, try again until it gets through, because being a politician is one of the few jobs where failures have no consequences whatsoever.
Ah, you'll now say, "but come next election..." - obviously, that's not how it works. Next election, people will vote again based on posters and TV spots, not on a performance evaluation. Everyone knows that, including the politicians.
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Those lines could have been written by a highschool student!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
-- from (the aptly titled) Won't Get Fooled Again
Entirely different language. Since Canada has two official languages, this statement is completely true and accurate. It will be in English and French.
As long as they will insist on negotiating without transparency, it will be fair to criticize the process and to base our opinion on leaks.
Countering it would be easy : be open ! Is it that hard to understand ?
The Wise adapts himself to the world. The Fool adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the Fool.
We won't be fooled that easily.
On the other hand, if the current wording is different from the old ACTA version, then why not let the public see the actual words of the treaty so we can judge for ourselves before our representatives start signing it?
We've got TWO parliaments on either side of this deal. Why the hell don't ALL our representatives get a look at it, and the general public too? Why do we have to rely on potentially inaccurate leaks? Oh, that's right. Because we don't fricking have anything else to go on. Fix that problem. Then we'll talk.
It can't be *that* extreme if the last few guys to hold this position lasted an average of 2 years.
So. The fact that it STARTED the exact same as ACTA means you are trying to pull the same bullshit all over again. I'm embarassed the C in CETA means Canada, (the government of who knows fully well that it's going completely against the will of the people).
our brand new protest is totally different from the ACTA protest.
It's more angry.
Why they don't talk about is that -completely against currrent beliefs- the EC is trying to force a 20-year copyright term extension on Canada, from the Life+50 to Life+70.
It should be obvious this does not benefit the artist; a potential dollar discounted 51 years even at a 2% compound interest rate is not worth much today.
It does benefit the large Copyright warehouses, since owning Intellectual Property is free - there is no intellectual property tax - you can fill your warehouse to the rim.
But for the Canadian citizens who just acquired an e-reader and are back to reading books instead of sitting in front of the tv are now either (1) having to delete 20 years' worth of books from their devices or (2) hope they can find some more books as for the next two decades there will be nothing added to the existing Public Domain in Canada.
Note that TPP is also pushing for term extensions.
In the last one, they hit you over the head first and then take your wallet.
In this one they take your wallet after hitting you over the head.
See? Totally different!
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If they really had the "rocks" they would have a site (backstopped by a good CDN network) where folks could see the current text
IN THEIR CHOICE OF LANGUAGE as it is being written.
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If they don't want us to believe every link I see then they should be more transparent and stop crafting laws and regulations about our lives in secret. Who the fuck do they think they are?
If you shouldn't believe every leak that you read, then by all means do us a favor and show this in an open and publically debatable manner. Oh wait, closed doors negotiations? Well, then yes, we're going to believe the leaks for the lack of open public review.
In my opinion, any negotiation for legislation taking place, unless it has to do with actual National Security (And by that, I'm talking about things that threaten the safety and security of the population, not the profit margin of corporations) should ALL be open and publically scrutable. CETA, ACTA, and SOPA all have absolutely nothing to do with public security or safety whatsoever and therefore do not deserve the protection that closed-door negotiations permit. By their very existence, intent and functionality, they effectively reduce the population to nothing.
Corporate Interests have lobbied and won the right to call themselves people, stealing away the title for the -actual- people - the Taxpayers who have to pay for these kinds of acts and bills. This is sufficiently self-defeating, we may as well be paying for bills that force us to give away our rights as human beings to live and exist in favor of promoting a previously non-existent 'eliteist' class all over again.
Can't we throw these assholes in jail, or kill them or something, just to put an end to this madness? They obviously don't care at all how unpopular or harmful this legislation is, or else they would have given it up (what's this? their third attempt?).