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Samsung Galaxy S3 Stripped of Local Search

DavidGilbert99 writes "Ahead of a legal battle with Apple, Samsung has begun disabling the local Google search functionality on the international version of the Galaxy S3. This mean S3 owners will no longer be able to search contacts, messages, or other content stored locally on their phones using the in-built Google app. The interesting thing is that Apple has yet to sue Samsung over this feature in the EU or the UK and so it seems as if Samsung is being ultra cautious ahead of the the companies' big court date on Monday next."

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  1. Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fuck you, Apple.

    1. Re:Ugh by Fwipp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is both the rules and those who exploit them.

    2. Re:Ugh by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and Fuck "IP".

      Time to mass-invalidate all software patents. This is ridiculous.

    3. Re:Ugh by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is being able to search for something "innovative"?

      Apple shouldn't be able to have a monopoly on obvious features like this.

    4. Re:Ugh by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I second that. Fuck you, Apple

    5. Re:Ugh by execthis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How can something as basic and obvious as performing a search of local system have a patent?

      I cannot be more thoroughly disgusted by Apple. Just like everything else in society, it is the people who purport to provide something who are ultimately the ones responsible for its deprivation.
      It is, for example, precisely because of the "healthcare" industry that there is so much actual deprivation of healthcare in our society. The deprivation would not be possible without it.
      It is precisely because we have a government obsessed with our "security" that, in actuality, we are deprived ot true security. The deprivation precisely requires it.
      And it is precisely because we have a company like Apple providing personal information technology that, ultimately, is becoming responsible for the deprivation of such technology.
      These patent wars are frivolous and sickening. We the actual people are just poor lowlife paeans getting thrown about as the big giants play their games. But I have to say, Apple has shown itself to be a bad player, with far more ill-will than other companies like Samsung. I have a hard time believing that most other tech companies would have initiated such frivolous and anti-innovative BS like Apple has. I'm willing to bet that most of these asian companies which, yes, often mimic successful ideas of other products, are just happy to do what they do and not fuss over BS and play pissy games like Apple. There is a long history of makers and craftsmen borrowing ideas and often improving upon them. But Apple is different. Its conduct is truly rotten and malevolent. They truly are not committed to the advancement of technology, but to sheer greed.

    6. Re:Ugh by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Edison didn't invent the first incandescent light bulb. Ford didn't invent the automobile. The Wright brothers didn't even invent the first experimental aircraft, they were just the first to get the thing off the ground reliably.
      Jobs is not God, Apple is not good, and you sir are a terrible troll.

    7. Re:Ugh by oakgrove · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have no problem professing genuine hate for some companies. Billions have been spent in marketing trying to attract the opposite after all. If it is an accepted and legitimate endeavor to try to make me like you or to make me feel cool to associate myself with you then I am perfectly within my rights to make a conscious decision to feel the opposite. Anyone trying to argue against this is oblivious to human nature.

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    8. Re:Ugh by Alter_3d · · Score: 5, Funny

      I second that. Fuck you, Apple

      I second that too. Fuck you Apple.

      Sent from my Iphone

  2. Re:But... by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They already have an injunction against it in the US, and due to various WTO agreements Apple will probably get that applied elsewhere.

  3. For once, I breathe a sigh of relief by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Funny

    Being that my version of the Galaxy S3 was purchased through Verizon, and they are notoriously slow with software updates, i can safely say that this feature will be present on my phone for a long time to come. Thanks for being lazy slackers, Verizon!

  4. didn't i have local search on my Mac years ago? by alen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    oh wait, that's why apple is suing them

    seriously, google had local PC search like 10 years ago with google desktop. apple had it with finder i can't remember when.

    unless samsung has really dumb lawyers that's prior art right there. local search has been on computers since the 1990's

    1. Re:didn't i have local search on my Mac years ago? by Anderu67 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah but this is a cellphone. It's different, innovative.

    2. Re:didn't i have local search on my Mac years ago? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not local search that's the issue. It's searches on multiple databases from a single interface that are in question, specifically a single search UI that checks both local data and online for results. Apple had that with Sherlock back in 1997, and the patents being used in the various cases against Samsung go back that far in some cases.

      As you said, local search has been around forever, but a single interface for simultaneous local and online searches is a newer thing, and Apple seems to think they own it. Considering they've already had a few rulings in their favor in the U.S. for these patents, you can't blame Samsung for playing it cautious. IANAL, but I wouldn't be surprised if they could be sued for knowingly infringing at this point, given that the other rulings have gone against them with regards to these patents.

    3. Re:didn't i have local search on my Mac years ago? by Branciforte · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple filed the patent in 2000. I'm guessing it had something to do with Spotlight.

      Google Desktop Search came out in 2005, I think. Just before the Apple patent was finally approved.

      It's still a bogus patent. It's even short enough to be readable, despite the legalese. It basically says, you enter a query into a box, and the "machine" looks in several different places for the answer.

    4. Re:didn't i have local search on my Mac years ago? by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As you said, local search has been around forever, but a single interface for simultaneous local and online searches is a newer thing, and Apple seems to think they own it.

      Sadly, if they have been granted a patent to it -- they effectively do.

      Which is the most annoying thing about all of these lawsuits; they've all been granted ridiculous patents, that mostly seem to cover an idea, they all overlap, and the only thing corporations seem to understand now is to sue.

      I honestly don't see a way out of this, unless companies just decide amongst themselves to play nice -- but with billions in product revenue at stake, everybody would rather sue everybody else to make sure nobody else sells a product like their.

      Blame software patents. That's what is fundamentally broken here -- the companies are just looking out for their own interests, even if that means they're spending so much time in court.

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  5. Another victory for patents by Chemisor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Patent holders win.
    Consumers lose.
    Where's profit?

  6. Re:But... by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Informative

    Serious answer (not complete, but should give you a good idea). Summary: a lot.

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  7. Lawyers Profit by RichMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The lawyers profit. It is their game.

    1. Petition for patents on everything.
    2. File Patent lawsuit with billable hours.
    3. Profit.

  8. Re:But... by chrb · · Score: 5, Informative

    Is that not an admission of guilt of infringement?

    It is hard not to infringe if you are writing a single search interface. Here's the patent. Apple is claiming to have invented executing searches on multiple sites from a single interface, of ranking and presenting the results in some order, and of being able to guesstimate what file type the user is trying to search for:

    The present invention provides convenient access to items of information that are related to various descriptors input by a user, by means of a unitary interface which is capable of accessing information in a variety of locations, through a number of different techniques. Using a plurality of heuristic algorithms to operate upon information descriptors input by the user, the present invention locates and displays candidate items of information for selection and/or retrieval. Thus, the advantages of a search engine can be exploited, while listing only relevant object candidate items of information....

    ...web-browser applications are not designed to search for non-web-based documents or applications located on the computer or an associated computer network and, conversely, File Find-type utility programs are not capable of searching the Internet for web-based documents or applications. There has been no combination of desktop find routines that presents a single interface and Internet browsing routines to allow a computer user to find a needed or desired item of information from among all different types of information storage systems. Additionally, there is no program which is able to process the user's input and then determine, using many different factors, including use of the Internet, the intent of the user as to the file to be retrieved. Accordingly, in order to present a more informative and personalized user interface, a unitary manner of finding a user's desired item of information is needed.

    I have bolded the things that Apple claims did not exist before this invention.

  9. Re:But... by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 3, Informative

    as pointed out last time, Dogpile.com holds a massive amount of prior art if the claim is searching multiple sources with one interface.

    (Not to mention as a programmer is damn obvious).

  10. Part of the solution? by nightfire-unique · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I want to preface this with: I love Samsung and have spent a lot of money on their products. I own a Captivate Glide, and am looking at the SGS3. I hope they triumph over Apple and cost them a lot of money in the marketplace.

    But, if they roll out an update which removes this functionality from devices that have already been sold, I hope a class action lawsuit is filed against them.

    Partly because removing functionality from a product that has been sold should be very illegal (criminal, not contract law), but also because it's important that every company suffers the consequences of software patents - regardless of whether or not they screw their customers by backing out functionality. I hope billions of dollars are wasted on this garbage, so that the situation ultimately becomes untenable. One day, multinational corporations will, together, take a step back and realize that this nonsense must stop.

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  11. Re:But... by JBMcB · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dogpile just aggregates a bunch of search results.

    Apple's patent is on refining results based on where the user is, the user's search history, etc...

    For example, if you're in an airport and search for airplane, you are probably looking for information on airplanes, not Jefferson Airplane, or the movie Airplane, which is the first search result in Google.

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  12. Re:But... by rhook · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To quote Steve Jobs, "Good artists copy, great artists steal". That company comes up with nothing original.

  13. Re:pre-emptive stripping + unstrip with plugins by mrops · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think a safe way would be to strip it and change the entire search framework to a plugin based system. later let third part apps put plugins into the search framework.

    They already do this for sharing, facebook when install can add itself as a share provider and application wishing to share content automagically see facebook( or dropbox etc).

  14. Workaround by StripedCow · · Score: 4, Informative

    They (Samsung) should just implement an enabling code (like an easter egg), that is supposed to be secret, but "accidentally" ends up in the open. Entering this code on your phone will then enable all features owned by Apple. With this workaround, all Apple can do is blame the individual users. Btw, this is the same technique that has been used successfully by DVD player manufacturers for circumventing region-code restrictions enforced by trading authorities.

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  15. Re:But... by Mattcelt · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was actually Picasso who said that. Jobs stole it from... oooh.

  16. Re:But... by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What about the ads that now appear on site that are for things I have searched for? Wouldn't those ads be violating Apple's patent? It is funny to see ads for the items that I just searched for. I was looking up home NAS options. Then I get ads for NAS systems. I was looking up fishing lures. I then get ads for fishing lures. I don't think all the ad people have paid Apple.

    All these legal moves by Apple point to one thing. Apple is blocking other companies from bringing products to market that might be better their Apple's own products. Apple wants to have their next gen product out so that people always think of Apple of being the market leader. The lead position can and should change so that we have competition. That competition leads to better products.

  17. Re:But... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is that not an admission of guilt of infringement?

    No, it's an indication that the patent system is completely insane.

    Not only is it NOT encouraging innovation, but it's actually preventing innovations from being used.

    How the hell does a local search infringe on anything. I search locally for my keys every morning. Do I owe Apple something for that?

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  18. Re:pre-emptive stripping by easyTree · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can tell you that when my awesome, light powerful Samsung phone with a great screen, camera, lots of ram, fast processor etc.. is stripped of features because of Apple's bullshit, Apple have just won themselves a lifelong non-customer.

    Fuck you Apple. I sincerely mean that, you money-grabbing cocksuckers. Make your shitty, locked-in products a reasonable price so that the n00bs that buy them can afford to eat. Pay your employees a decent wage.

  19. Re:pre-emptive stripping by ce4 · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... and how to "reverse" it: http://android.stackexchange.com/a/26013/15713