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Microsoft: Surface Tablet May Alienate OEM Partners
HangingChad sends this excerpt from PCMag:
"Microsoft this week admitted that its upcoming Surface tablet might hurt its relationships with PC maker partners. As first noted by the New York Times, Redmond said in a Thursday filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission that 'our Surface devices will compete with products made by our OEM partners, which may affect their commitment to our platform.'"
The filing also made note of the difficulties in building up another app marketplace: "In order to compete, we must successfully enlist developers to write applications for our marketplace and ensure that these applications have high quality, customer appeal and value. Efforts to compete with these application marketplaces may increase our cost of revenue and lower our operating margins."
Not only the Surface, but the Xbox can be a full blown PC with an interface just like Win8. What about the Microsoft Store? Sounds like the Apple store doesn't it? Just wait till Microsoft comes out with their own phone. This is another reason OEM's and deveopers are giving Linux another serious look. There is no viable alternative for them.
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When you compete with your partners it makes it tough for them Microsoft!
You have to mention everything that could be a potential threat to your business in SEC filings. Not particularly interesting since this is "may do this, may do that."
Except for ending slavery, the Nazis, communism, & securing American independence, war has never solved anything.
appstores are a fucking pox on the web, no good will come of them, you got stuff to sell ? put it on your WEBSITE!
these curator companies are nothing but 30% parasites, all trying to put their own little drm enforced tax on the computing ecosystem, filthy middlemen who hold in bondage your applications and thoughts, and god forbid if something happens to them or you dont pay the tax?, well chumps you have an illuminated paperweight, enjoy your fucking appstore
Failed? OEMs were the key to Microsoft's success! Much more than developers, developers, developers. That's why Microsoft was a bigger company than Apple for most of its history. For OEMs Microsoft was a benevolent dictator. Now Microsoft is a desperate despot willing to sacrifice its allies just to maintain its position as an influential tech company.
As first noted by the NYT, they shit in the woods.
It'll be second rate and fail. It's not because MS is bad at this sort of thing, it's because it can't concentrate of the user, and UI consistency, it doesn't need to be distracted by hardware design. There are still stupid differences in the way the parts of the Office suit work, and the UI should work the same way. An MS made tablet will be second rate because it isn't new, it isn't wanted. Just supply the software and let people who know how to build hardware do their job, MS has been doing it this way from the beginning, why change now?
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If the OEMS don't like it, then we'll see how a patent suit strikes their fancy....
Microsoft's Market Cap
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Apple's Market Cap
http://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/market_cap
At one time Microsoft could have eaten Apple's lunch. They even bailed them out with a loan. Now look how things have changed. Microsft can clearly see where Apple has been a success and they think they can emulate it. A little envy?
If the DOJ now gives Apple a pass on this business model, why wouldn't they do the same for Microsoft?
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No, don't mod these guys down. This is great! I mean, if people learn to associate this type of person with either Apple and or MS we win.
you should worry about everything microsoft does, sooner or later they'll do something mean that actually succeeds
This is a joke. I am joking. Joke joke joke.
Here is an apocalypse. First Microsoft kills all the other OEM's that were buying Intel CPU's to make PCs, notebooks and tablets. Then they buy AMD. What do they get? Radeon graphics and control of their CPU destiny. Then Apple buys Intel and Nvidia. Then many of the surviving OEM's buy ARM and Via processors to run Linux. I know it sounds unlikely. But it could happen.
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"Alienation" is putting it to lightly.
1. Debut of windows phone 8 effectively obsoletes all current windows phone products, including the weeks-old flagship Lumia. Microsoft made it clear that the current, entire phone7 ecosystem is EOL and NO devices will be upgradable. Anyone who buys a winphone7 is a moron.
2. The surface tablet is zune 2.0. - Years ago, microsoft got a bunch of OEMs on board with the "Plays for sure" framework that lets compatable players and stores buy and sell music. Great idea.. Until Microsoft canned the whole thing, created their own music player along with a it's music store. The Zune was neither able to use plays for sure stores, nor were plays for sure devices able to use the Zune store. Effectively Microsoft duped most of apple's competitors, then intentionally destroyed them in order to reduce competition with their own product. The parallel here is that microsoft has clearly shown that the surface tablet is the "true" windows tablet with exclusive features that only the surface has. 3rd party windows 8 RT tablets are clearly inferior products.
There are only two possible reasons for what we're seeing
1. Microsoft is being Microsoft, and backstabbing their partners to get a leg up on the mobile device market. (As others have speculated, I believe we'll see an official Microsoft branded win8 phone, followed by the complete and final implosion of Nokia)
2. Microsoft as a company has degenerated in to a sloppy and out of control monster where the left hand acts against the right, and the head is too incompetent to reign them both in.
*Note that the above two are not mutually exclusive
I believe Microsoft's stance on the topic is "So." It's not like the OEMs have anywhere else to go, with any significant product sales that compare to Windows based sales.
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There already was a Microsoft branded phone. It was a failure called the Kin. I don't know anybody that ever bought one of those. But MS usually does better the second time around. Now they have been putting their hope in Nokia. Nokia has hit an iceberg and is rapidly sinking. But this time Microsoft will swallow them if for no other reason than patents.
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And continue to suck. Sucky tablets was (and is) a Microsoft, OEM and third party developer fiasco. That Apple and to an extent Android have succeeded is a testimony to them getting what tablets are useful for.
Look at MS over the last few years, they've actually put up a pretty damned good product and due to their OEMs, have suffered in reputation heavily. Apple has been able to gain a foothold not because it was so great, but because people really hated Windows PCs. What made them so terrible? Dell. HP. Gateway. And all their fucking crapware.
If you look at what MS is doing with the Surface they are building a device that tells the OEMs, if you build it shittier than this, don't bother selling it. They are trying to raise the bar. Look at Vizio, now coming out with some great looking PCs and -- surprise surprise, have NO crapware installed. It's a simple Windows 7 image with anti-virus. It runs smooth, clean and fast, as Windows 7 really does run. Despite what Linux lovers may say, Windows 7 is a pretty damned good desktop OS.
And why not? Microsoft has more OEMs (Vizio for one, and a few other Chinese ones) to offer their OS, and some opting to go the "Microsoft Signature" route -- no crapware, like Vizio. They don't need every OEM, but every OEM does need them. If Dell's sales drop off because Vizio starts to cannibalize them -- low cost, good looking PCs with no junk -- then you can bet that Dell will start to rethink its way it packages Windows 7. It will NOT at least, push out a tablet that's a piece of crap -- well, I say that by thinking that Dell has a modicum of sense, but I may be wrong. Surface sets the bar pretty high, and I expect that any tablet that comes into the ARM/x86 world with Windows on it will need to exceed that, or cut the price in order to compete against it.
And honestly, we could do with some higher quality hardware anyway. Now that Vizio is out there, and the Surface, I have a little more hope to see some good hardware from the PC centric OEMs. But I may have my faith misplaced in the others, but I am eyeing a new Vizio laptop at some point... after Windows 8 launches probably.
The price is always right if someone else is paying.
initially hardware was expensive and software cheap often free. One of Bill Gate's initial visions was that PC hardware would become a commodity and software would become ( relatively speaking ) expensive and the lucrative part of the business.
As computer's evolved the comptitors Commodore, Atari, Tandy etc. died and the PC took over.
Now Apple and Android have made the hardwatre a feature as much as the software, and the MS fanboys are all crying that the OEM aere ionnovative. Well where is Microsoft? Since they don't want OEMs to inovate, then they should be doing it themselves. IOf course Microsoft can't innovate. It never could. But it blames the OEMs and tries to go into competition with them by "innovating" what?
A kickstand, a keyboard, and a magnesium case. None of these so called innovations are things that make me want to go out and get a Surface. This is what they risk pissing of their OEMs for. The OEMs who were none too happy with them in the first place.
The worst thing that can happen to MS now is that OEM can suddenly discover how to innovate, and in the process they innovate with Linux, maybe a Desktop/Laptop Android, and even Beos/Haiku.
Why would any company want success of a very strategic OS dependant on OEM's who have no history of developing competitive hardware (against iPad)? Apple has demonstrated how good hardware, form and function can be addictive. There is no challenger (yet) to iPad. Surface, if priced right could be the first contender to grab share in the market. Why? right form, function and user experience. iPad is quite common in enterprises but the limitations are there, especially lack of true Office, USB, keyboard, etc. Quick reply to emails, browsing is fine but anything more and they open up their laptops.
By now you must know that Nokia can never be turned...
The vast majority of the phones that Nokia is actually selling isn't based on Windows Phone. The windows phones aren't selling, since they are already announced to be a dead platform before the end of the year. Nobody wants to buy a phone that doesn't get updates, there are no users for the phone so nobody develops apps for it, so it's not the Windows Phone Devision but the Windows Phone house of morning.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
Their.
They're is they are
There is a place.
PC's are not disappearing any time soon. However, if you look at the history of Microsoft and its relationship with the OEM partners, this looks like huge red flag that something is about to change. Look at all these years of Microsoft actions pushing out other Operating System alternatives, pressuring OEM partners through its licensing agreements. Microsoft's 11 year legal battle with Apple. Now Microsoft turns around and says " you're not that important any more". Has the monopoly actually starting to crumble? If not it sure looks like it because the foundation that maintained the undeclared monopoly in place is starting to show cracks.
Interesting note: In July 2012 Microsoft suffered its first loss in its 25 year financial history. Something to think about.
Don't see the problem if they go the apple route and charge twice as much as the product is worth. On the other hand if you go to the microsoft store you'll note that their machines all say "Asus".
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'our Surface devices will compete with products made by our OEM partners, which may affect their commitment to our platform.'"
What this REALLY means is "We can't get the damned thing to work, and the hardware engineering team is fighting with the software engineering team over whose at fault."
So we're killing the product.
Please. Like no one at MS considered before embarking on the "Surface" project that their hardware OEM "partners" might consider it a direct threat? Riiiiiiight.
Nope. This is just an excuse to kill of a dog of a (non)-product without revealing the real reason: Engineering incompetence at MS (or whoever is actually doing the Surface) from top to bottom and side to side.
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