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Apple Comes Clean, Admits To Doing Market Research

colinneagle writes "In an interview with Fortune a few years ago, Steve Jobs explained that Apple never does market research. Rather, they simply preoccupy themselves with creating great products. On Monday, Apple's Greg Joswiak — the company's VP of Product Marketing — submitted a declaration to the Court explaining why documents relating to Apple's market research and strategy should be sealed. Every month, Apple surveys iPhone buyers and Joswiak explains what Apple is able to glean from these surveys. And as you might expect, Apple conducts similar surveys with iPad buyers. Apple wants all of these tracking studies sealed. Joswiak explains that if a competitor were to find out what drives iPhone purchases — whether it be FaceTime, battery life, or Siri — it would serve as an unfair competitive edge to rival companies. Further, competitors, as it stands today, have to guess as to which demographics are most satisfied with Apple products." A few other interesting facts have come out of the trial so far; Apple spent $647 million advertising the iPhone in the U.S. from its launch through fiscal 2011, and they spent $457.2 million advertising the iPad from its launch up to the same point.

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  1. They've turned their backs on Steve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Obviously, since he died, this new generation of Apple leaders have lost their way. They need to turn back to Steve before it's too late and realize that only through him can they find the correct path. And that path is not through market research, it's through listening to Steve's own words and letting them into your heart.

    1. Re:They've turned their backs on Steve by AngryDeuce · · Score: 3, Funny

      How long before baptisms and communion services are offered at the Genius Bar?

    2. Re:They've turned their backs on Steve by dadioflex · · Score: 5, Informative

      Um, Tim Cook isn't that keen on patent lawsuits and most of the ones currently making headlines started under Steve Jobs and his total thermonuclear war on Android.

    3. Re:They've turned their backs on Steve by meerling · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, at least circumcisions weren't on that list.
      Wait, does that mean they already do that?

    4. Re:They've turned their backs on Steve by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Steve fought Android by making a better product.

      When is it going to be released?

    5. Re:They've turned their backs on Steve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah that is the first thing I check when shopping for new hardware, which one gets had the most profit into the pockets of the manufacturer.

    6. Re:They've turned their backs on Steve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Um, Tim Cook isn't that keen on patent lawsuits and most of the ones currently making headlines started under Steve Jobs and his total thermonuclear war on Android.

      He could stop them at any time.

      No, seriously, he could stop them at any time. If he really wasn't so keen on patent lawsuits, he could man up and have the balls to say that Jobs was a psychopath whose obsessions would have eventually destroyed the company if he were still alive, change course, and not make a laughingstock of Apple. He has the power in the company to do just that.

      But he doesn't do it. And he won't do it. And he's the one making the decision not to do it. Not Jobs; Jobs is dead. Cook is the one ordering the lawyers to go ahead with all the lawsuits.

      Like it or not, this is the post-Jobs era at Apple. Specifically, this is the Tim Cook era at Apple. Period.

    7. Re:They've turned their backs on Steve by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah that is the first thing I check when shopping for new hardware, which one gets had the most profit into the pockets of the manufacturer.

      Exactly.

      Why are Apple customers so proud of the fact that they overpay for their products?

      Would we all see cheaper cell service if carriers pockets weren't being emptied into Apple's coffers? How about iPhone users start giving back to the their fellow citizens by switching to Android, instead of inflicting the cost of these overpriced device on the rest of the cell phone users. Every iPhone sold is a money out of my pocket, by way of higher carrier bills.

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    8. Re:They've turned their backs on Steve by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple had the same advantage that Palm had before them: someone willing to say 'no, this sucks' and be listened to. There's a story about the first iteration of the Palm Pilot, where the CEO saw it and decided it was too big. He got a block of balsa wood cut that was just small enough to fit in his shirt pocket and gave it to the product development team with an edict that the final version must be no bigger than that. Without someone like that, they'd have ended up with something too big to be conveniently carried. Steve Jobs had the same role at Apple: it wasn't producing great products, or products that could not be improved, it was to produce products that were definitely useful. As long as 'how Steve Jobs would use it' and 'how a normal human would use it' weren't too far apart, it worked well. Sometimes, it didn't - there were a few flops along the way - but a product designed for a specific user is far more likely to be useable in general than one designed for some set of focus-group set of requirements plus any features that engineers thought they could sneak in.

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    9. Re:They've turned their backs on Steve by icebike · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly.

      My last block of Apple stock is going to be sold in the run up to the iPhone 5 release. I will be out of that issue prior to the actual announcement. Its been a good run, more than doubled my investment in a couple years, but now its time to go, ahead of the disappointment sure to arrive when iPhone 5 is nothing but an incremental improvement.

      Buy the rumor. Sell the news.

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    10. Re:They've turned their backs on Steve by arbiter1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Um in the round 1 of Apple minus Steve === Apple was on verge of bankruptcy. He was very important to Apple (No i aint no apple fanboy, i hate apple with a pashion). And Apple without Steve leading Apple looking at a very possible bankruptcy again in the future at some point cause i doubt they will be able to innovate like they did with Steve around, example of their failure to innovate == them suing their major competitors for everything possible the last 2 years.

    11. Re:They've turned their backs on Steve by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But that's OK, Steve is dead and the hapless harping hypocrites will continue their attacks and telling themselves how gloriously wonderful and clever they are for using some other product (Windows, Linux, Droids) even if it's substandard or blatantly imitative.

      Instead, here you are telling yourself how gloriously wonderful and clever you are for buying Apple products, blissfully unaware of the irony.

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    12. Re:They've turned their backs on Steve by sessamoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly my plan, because when the detailed specs are ANNOUNCED the rumor becomes news. I suspect it will be a marginal improvement at best.

      The 4S was a marginal improvement. It sold more than all previous generations of iPhones combined.

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  2. Hint: by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> Joswiak explains that if a competitor were to find out what drives iPhone purchases â" whether it be FaceTime, battery life, or Siri â" it would serve as an unfair competitive edge

    Hint: It's that patented rectangular shape.

  3. The Article is Wrong by wzinc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obviously, Steve meant market research for future products. The article describes a survey of existing customers, and I've gotten them before. While this plays a part in product development, they don't use focus groups. It's one of those things where, if Apple asked outside people (not customers), "what do you want in a phone," they'd end-up with a terrible product. Instead, they make the phone they, themselves want to use. As they've stated in their conference calls, they only enter markets where they think they can improve things. One example is student information systems. They sold PowerSchool to Pierson, exiting that market because they felt they couldn't do a killer product there. It's so obvious how they work; the only mystery is what future products will be. They keep those under wraps because, if they decide to scrap it or change it dramatically, there won't be a Microsoft-CES-announcement-style embarrassment. As the Samsung court documents show, they have hundreds of iterations of products that never see the light of day.

    1. Re:The Article is Wrong by wzinc · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nope, I listen to the quarterly conference calls.

    2. Re:The Article is Wrong by Chuckstar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Steve had made similar comments in other forums. He seemed to be a big believer that people don't know what they want until you show it to them. If you did a market survey before the iPad came out, and asked people what they wanted in a tablet computer, very few would have articulated something that looked/operated similar to an iPad. Even after it was announced many people scoffed. But it's been a huge success.

      While he sometimes said things that were not entirely clear, Steve's philosophy never seemed to be "don't ask the customer what they like or don't like about existing products". Especially knowing what they don't like is important. That's where the opportunities are. The trick is, in Steve's mind, that the customer is not the appropriate person to ask HOW to fix it. The great designers at Apple will come up with a fix. And if they do the job right, it will be something the customer would never have thought of, but will love.

  4. "Market research" is many things by obarthelemy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Using it as Apple is saying here, to survey users, is one thing. It helps gather info on actual uses, usage patterns, customer feedback.

    Using it to design a product or to test a product design, is quite another, especially if, like often, it ends up justifying half-baked committee-think. Apple forte has been Steve Job's "I'm the customer, please me" stance, which is far superior to the "Make none of us dislike it too much" design-by committee version. It requires strong leadership. Apple had that, and storng value too: sexiness and easse of use.

    As an Android user, I wish, I wish Google did more user surveys. There are a handful of very easy changes that would make Android rock, observably so, including in the shop right next to an iPad.

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  5. Re:Here's the secret by surgen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The logo itself is a status symbol.

    I used to think this was just an insult to apple buyers. Then the iPhone 4s came out. I'll never forget the first words that came out of my apple buying friend's mouth after seeing the design. "How will anyone be able to tell I have the new one?"

  6. False dichotomy by harperska · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think that the summary misses a major point. Sure there was a bit of hyperbole when Steve said that Apple never did market research. But every word that came out of that man's mouth was hyperbole. What I think Steve's point was is that Apple doesn't base their product categories on market research. They just use market research for refining products once the categories are established. They didn't base the idea to have an all-touchscreen smartphone, a high capacity hard-drive based mp3 player, or a GUI centric PC on market research. If they did, they would have found out that people were perfectly happy with their blackberry and symbian keyboard smartphones, their low capacity flash mp3 players, and their DOS based IBM PCs.

    1. Re:False dichotomy by Asic+Eng · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple is remarkable good at retroactively inventing things. Like hard-drive based mp3 players, the idea for which was stolen from them e.g. in 1998 by Compaq (4.8 GB), in 2000 by Creative (Nomad, 6 GB) and in the same year by Archos (6 GB). Then Apple re-invented the entire market by bringing out a player with ... 5 GB in 2001. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_media_player

      It's understandable that so many people believe Apple came up with the idea, considering the advertising budget. Many probably didn't even realize that mp3 players existed before Apple told them about it.