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MSFT Reaches Out To Hackers: 'Do Epic $#!+'

hessian writes "Microsoft isn't exactly known for its underground hacker culture, but a recent effort to give its employees more slack is generating some wild experiments. Last summer, Microsoft completed a redesign of one of its original buildings on campus — Building 4, where Bill Gates' office used to be — into a laid-back workshop where staff can tinker with things. It's open to anyone, anytime, and it's got everything from a hardware workshop to an actual working garage door. If it doesn't sound to you like something Microsoft would normally do , the Garage's motto will really shock you: 'Do epic s--t.'"

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  1. uh oh by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Funny

    If Microsoft doesn't bleep out the 'shit', but Slashdot does (in two different ways?), does this mean MSFT is "hipper" than /. now?

    1. Re:uh oh by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      I was wondering about that. If the motto is actually "Do epic shit," that's a sign that someone at Microsoft gets it. If it's "Do epic $#!+" or "Do epic s--t," they don't.

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    2. Re:uh oh by craigminah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Never understood why anyone censors "bad" words yet leaves enough letters there so people easily figure out what the word is. Is it the spelling that's offensive or do they think they're tricking kids?

    3. Re:uh oh by kwark · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thanks for the link, it thought it was perl code before your hint.

    4. Re:uh oh by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Funny

      Its educational - they not only learn there ARE bad words, they get to figure out what they are!

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    5. Re:uh oh by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I'm not quite sure what the deal is. I wonder if it originated with the Orthodox Jewish approach of writing "God" as "G-d", which was based on a sort of superstition against writing out the full word, even if it was obvious what the word was.

      In older English texts that want to censor such things, they seem to do a better job actually censoring the words so that they're removed entirely, replaced with just a mention that there was a swear, like "the man responded with an interjection not printable in a magazine of this type". That seems like the way to go if you're truly offended by them.

    6. Re:uh oh by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Microsoft doesn't bleep out the 'shit', but Slashdot does (in two different ways?), does this mean MSFT is "hipper" than /. now?

      Indeed, they are; I've even heard that they are actually seriously considering a change of name from "Microsoft" to "Micros#%t" as part of becoming even hipper.

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    7. Re:uh oh by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      Indeed. From the link:

      One theory is that it was developed to defeat text filters created by BBS or Internet Relay Chat system operators for message boards to discourage the discussion of forbidden topics, like cracking and hacking. ... Variants of leet have been used for censorship purposes for many years; for instance "@$$" and "$#!+" are frequently seen to make a word appear censored to the untrained eye but obvious to a person familiar with leet.

      We've been able to write all kinds of Forbidden Words online for a long time now. The only reason for "leet" euphemisms nowadays is to call attention to how Daring and Naughty you are--which, frankly, is a pretty shitty reason.

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    8. Re:uh oh by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The printed motto might be 'Do epic shit', but what they really mean is "Please do epic shit with Windows"

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    9. Re:uh oh by UnoriginalBoringNick · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...And then embed them in their linux code contributions.

    10. Re:uh oh by isorox · · Score: 3, Funny

      If Microsoft doesn't bleep out the 'shit'

      Or vagina

    11. Re:uh oh by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      You misspelled /\/\1cr050f+. "Micros#%t" is a $#1++y way to spell it.

  2. They forgot the second part by bersl2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "...as long as it doesn't threaten our bottom line."

    1. Re:They forgot the second part by nine-times · · Score: 2

      And the related, implied, "... and it will probably never make it into any products."

    2. Re:They forgot the second part by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then again, the reviews suggest Windows 8 ACTUALLY IS epic $#!+, and probably will bankrupt the company as a direct result of this situation.

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    3. Re:They forgot the second part by waveclaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Like Microsoft Research, this will be a patent farm where ideas that threaten Microsoft's platform go to die.

      Maybe, just maybe, someone in marketing will decide they can make a product out of something from this new Microsoft lab. It may even be awesome. But you never know until after the research.

      It seems that whenever someone in management lets marketing smoke enough weed to even think about visiting the engineers we get something like Bob or ME or Vista or Metro.

      I wish them good luck. Changing corporate culture is very hard when 'those other guys in that other building' are easy to let go when the stock price tumbles for reasons known only to the Random Number God(s).

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    4. Re:They forgot the second part by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually Win 8 may end up making them a mint, how? New Coke. Corps and people rush to buy Win 7 to keep from getting "stuck" with win 8, thus boosting their bottom line. After all MSFT was gonna put out a WinTab anyway so it isn't like they would have had to spend a ton sticking the UI they already had for WinTab onto X86, so they get all those that have been sitting on XP to go "ZOMFG if I don't get Win 7 I'm screwed!".

      Hell it worked for XP, I saw XP sales go up after the stench that is Vista and we all saw how quickly the OEMs jumped on with "Buy this unit with XP preinstalled!". Seems like a quick if nasty way to get your customers to buy your product, MSFT gets paid either way, no skin off their ass.

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  3. Epic? by lagi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Epic $#!+ can't come out of sitting in "Building 4, where Bill Gates' office used to be ..." and pretending it's hacker's garage.
    you need a real garage, with real hackers in it, don't think Microsoft's engineers will do the trick.

    1. Re:Epic? by Psicopatico · · Score: 2

      Some rumors say in Building 4 there's an epic toilet...

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  4. "$#!+" ? "s--t" ? by Solozerk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really ? the word is censored both times in TFS and even the image itself is blurred in TFA.
    Are we really so prude and puritan as a culture that we can't even bring ourselves to write "SHIT" ?

    This goes beyond political correctness - it's frankly ridiculous.

  5. They've got real hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Angelina "Acid Burn" Jolie and Matthew "Cereal Killer" Lillard will be stopping by.

  6. A tiny fraction of what's needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, there needs to be a company culture in which people dare to take time to play in a facility like that.

    Second, there needs to be an outside chance that the epic "s--t" will actually see the light of day and not be stomped on by Steve Ballmer because it doesn't run Windows.

    Third, there needs to be infrastructure. One MS manager I know tried to order a bookshelf to store technical references for the group's use. The request was denied because the bookshelf wasn't a standard item. What happens when a hacker orders something random?

    Fourth, for people who aren't pure hackers but have some self-interest, there needs to be some believable financial benefit to developing something cool

    Without all that, this idea is sheer cargo cult.

  7. It's all... by Duncan+J+Murray · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...too late.

  8. Re:f--k that motto by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you look at the picture in the f-----g article, you can see that that `shit' is very obviously present under the poor blur, and can conclude with reasonable confidence that it was CNN changed it.

  9. Re:Linus did that! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    Whoah! Microsoft! You baddasses really gone hack up the future!

    I foresee an AWESOME sea change coming!

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  10. That would be fine and dandy... by LocalH · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...if they were actually using leetspeak. Hint: the motto is "Do epic shit.", not "Do epic $#!+"

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  11. CNN Censored it. by blowdart · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not censored in the pictures of the slogan that neowin has or SCM Magazine.

    It wasn't that hard to search for either. However it was probably harder than the knee jerk reaction shown above.

  12. what !@#$% is the point??? by sribe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is not that MSFT employees don't have good ideas; the problem is that management kills them (the ideas that is).

    1. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by Achra · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem is not that MSFT employees don't have good ideas; the problem is that management kills them...

      Microsoft doesn't only kill the ideas. They also kill the employees too. (Spiritually). I notice that Microsoft isn't giving any employees any time allocation to do their epic shit. It's something that you can do in your "off time". Since the standard work week for a salaried employee at Microsoft is "Any 80 hours a week you want", I don't see too many people spending too much time in this "garage". Maybe a few recent grads that don't have any reason to go home after work.. but I wouldn't be there, that's for sure.

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    2. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by bratmobile · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's just completely false. I know you hate Microsoft, but you're obviously writing from total ignorance. I've worked at Microsoft for years, and there is plenty of goofing off and just general creativity. Any group (inside or outside Microsoft) that drives people at 80 hours/week forever is just doomed to failure, because they will burn people out and destroy their most important asset.

    3. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      I'm a dev at MS (DevDiv), and I work regular 40-hour work weeks. Yes, really.

      I'm not saying it's all rainbows and unicorns, and I'm kinda jealous of that 20% "do epic shit" (hah!) time that Googlers - well, some of them, at least - get. But MS is not a sweatshop in any meaningful sense. In fact, it has fewer "crunches" than what I've seen in software development shops on average in my past experience.

      At least not where I'm sitting. It's a big company, and, from talking to people, various divisions seem to differ a lot in how they do things. So I'm not going to claim that you're lying. Who knows, perhaps some misguided but high-ranked manager somewhere in the company thinks that 80 hrs/week is the part of that magical Agile recipe or something...

  13. "make mobile payments with just their bodies" ...? by drkim · · Score: 5, Funny

    I liked the line in the original article:

    one Microsoft Office developer is currently working in the Garage on a tool allowing people to make mobile payments with just their bodies.

    I think this already goes on all over the world.
    http://www.theonion.com/articles/housewife-charged-in-sexforsecurity-scam,1773/

  14. Re:Hot tech! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    "I wanna hook it up to my wireless Metro phone and open and close it and turn on the lights!"

    "We must let the lawyers give it the once over."

    (eight months later)
    "Our lawyers have decided the risk is too great for you to even try it. Also, we no longer produce Metro OS for phones. If you mention your idea, you will be in violation of our NDA."

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  15. Cute office space != Culture transplant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Have to post anonymously for this one, as it's about my current workplace...

    I work for an IT service provider that services a very staid, boring, stick-in-the-mud industry. The company has been around since the 50s, is multinational, and has a very management-heavy, bureaucracy-laden culture. Our engineering teams (including the one I'm on) are pretty much allowed to operate around this whole mess because we build their products and services. And the industry we serve is concerned with reliable, always-on service ONLY, nothing else. As Engineering, we give that to them with a minimum of fuss, often completely end-running the layers of bureaucracy to make sure things stay alive.

    All of a sudden last year, the company brought in the usual suspects from the management consultant universe, who suggested a radical culture shift. One of the other division offices (not ours)got gutted and turned into a clone of the Google office pictures that have leaked to the web. All the fun happy stuff from the Hipster Twentysomething Web 2.0 Culture Checklist is there -- no offices, hot desking, open floor plan, beanbag chairs, large common areas, and a cutesy color scheme and design pattern reflecting our company's core customers' business.

    The problem is that nothing else has changed. People are still stuck in the same mindset, but now they're sitting in beanbag chairs doing it or trying to be heard over the noise of their colleagues in one of these open-area offices. I'm actually one of those people who prefers a private office or cube with enough quiet to be able to work, so I'm glad our office didn't get transformed (yet.)

    So, Microsoft can change anything they want, but it won't bring back the hacker culture and 90s startup feel unless they start actively cultivating that mindset. As far as I can tell, it's too late for that -- there's way too much at stake to make radical changes. I'm betting that SP1 of Windows 8 will let businesses remove the Metro (or whatever it is now) interface, just to keep the status quo going.

    I think that once a company gets established, there's no easy way to bring it back to startup mode. I'm not even sure that's the right thing to do. For example. I'm older now (late 30s) and lack the desire to work 90-hour weeks for a company, just because I have a life -- married with children and all that. Almost everyone else my age who is still in the startup, 90-hour, gotta-do-this-for-the-team crowd is divorced, headed that way or permanently single, and has nothing going on outside of work. I work hard, but something really has to be on fire that no one else can fix if any employer expects tons of extra work. I work hard already keeping my skills sharp outside of work so I don't end up unemployed... The problem is companies don't understand that people who aren't just out of school have a lot of good experience, so I don't know if the relentless focus on startup culture is a good solution.

    1. Re:Cute office space != Culture transplant by bratmobile · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I work at a group in Microsoft, and you are just completely effing clueless. My specific group is more fun than any startup I've worked in (I've worked through two startups), and many other groups that I work with are just as healthy, productive, and focused. The work we are doing is on a long time-scale (meaning, we're not driven into making bad trade-offs just to meet idiotic short-term deadlines), it's significant, and I think it will have a significant impact when the time is ready. Your hatred for Microsoft doesn't mean that the object of your hatred conforms to your views. First you set up a straw-man argument, assuming that what Microsoft is doing is exactly what your own dysfunctional company is doing. Then you basically say that Microsoft is doomed because your own situation is terrible. That's simply a fallacy.

    2. Re:Cute office space != Culture transplant by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 2

      I see nothing in AC's post that implied, much less stated, a "hatred for Microsoft". All he said was that you can't create a maker-culture by corporate fiat, unless you change the whole company, and that managers (and marketing consultants) tend to forget that.

      You seem to be the one projecting, not him/her/it.

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  16. An epic freakin butterfly?? by SpinyNorman · · Score: 2

    A giant mech warrior that throws chairs and can rip cars in half would be epic. A stress indicator butterfly? Not so much.

    OTOH it might help protect the microsofties from Ballmer if they could get him to wear one.

  17. Isn't it a little bit too late ? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Microsoft used to be a swell company

    I know, because I spent sometime there

    And then the suits took over, and a lot of us left

    Isn't it a little bit too late?
     

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  18. s--t by guttentag · · Score: 3, Funny

    s--t opens up all kinds of possible clues as to what they're really doing in there (courtesy of the RegEx Dictionary):

    "Do Epic Salt" could be religious in nature, if only they had the light to go with it.
    "Do Epic Scat" could be, well, crappy.
    "Do Epic Scot" could be a hint that Sean Connery will play Ballmer in an upcoming movie about Steve Jobs
    "Do Epic Seat" could be a hint that they're working on a special chair to offset the major pain in the ass NotMetro is expected to be
    "Do Epic Sect" could be a skunkworks project to recruit fanboys
    "Do Epic Shat" could be a retrospective on the history of Windows... uh, narrated by William Shatner
    "Do Epic Skit" could be a code for the rehearsal to train people to look excited at their store openings, and hide the fact that hired DJs are using iTunes
    "Do Epic Slit" could be... nahhh...
    "Do Epic Slut" or "Do Epic Smut" could be an indication that MSFT wants to enter the lucrative smut scene and cut off Heffner's air supply
    "Do Epic Snot" or "Do Epic Spit" No. Just no.

    Personally, I think what they're really saying is they plan to "do shit" to the Electronic Privacy Information Center.

  19. Re:Will M$'$ next product be a by rhook · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's policy to never imply ownership in the event of a dildo.