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MSFT Reaches Out To Hackers: 'Do Epic $#!+'

hessian writes "Microsoft isn't exactly known for its underground hacker culture, but a recent effort to give its employees more slack is generating some wild experiments. Last summer, Microsoft completed a redesign of one of its original buildings on campus — Building 4, where Bill Gates' office used to be — into a laid-back workshop where staff can tinker with things. It's open to anyone, anytime, and it's got everything from a hardware workshop to an actual working garage door. If it doesn't sound to you like something Microsoft would normally do , the Garage's motto will really shock you: 'Do epic s--t.'"

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  1. uh oh by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Funny

    If Microsoft doesn't bleep out the 'shit', but Slashdot does (in two different ways?), does this mean MSFT is "hipper" than /. now?

    1. Re:uh oh by craigminah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Never understood why anyone censors "bad" words yet leaves enough letters there so people easily figure out what the word is. Is it the spelling that's offensive or do they think they're tricking kids?

    2. Re:uh oh by kwark · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thanks for the link, it thought it was perl code before your hint.

    3. Re:uh oh by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Funny

      Its educational - they not only learn there ARE bad words, they get to figure out what they are!

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    4. Re:uh oh by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I'm not quite sure what the deal is. I wonder if it originated with the Orthodox Jewish approach of writing "God" as "G-d", which was based on a sort of superstition against writing out the full word, even if it was obvious what the word was.

      In older English texts that want to censor such things, they seem to do a better job actually censoring the words so that they're removed entirely, replaced with just a mention that there was a swear, like "the man responded with an interjection not printable in a magazine of this type". That seems like the way to go if you're truly offended by them.

    5. Re:uh oh by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Microsoft doesn't bleep out the 'shit', but Slashdot does (in two different ways?), does this mean MSFT is "hipper" than /. now?

      Indeed, they are; I've even heard that they are actually seriously considering a change of name from "Microsoft" to "Micros#%t" as part of becoming even hipper.

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    6. Re:uh oh by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The printed motto might be 'Do epic shit', but what they really mean is "Please do epic shit with Windows"

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  2. They forgot the second part by bersl2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "...as long as it doesn't threaten our bottom line."

    1. Re:They forgot the second part by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then again, the reviews suggest Windows 8 ACTUALLY IS epic $#!+, and probably will bankrupt the company as a direct result of this situation.

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    2. Re:They forgot the second part by waveclaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Like Microsoft Research, this will be a patent farm where ideas that threaten Microsoft's platform go to die.

      Maybe, just maybe, someone in marketing will decide they can make a product out of something from this new Microsoft lab. It may even be awesome. But you never know until after the research.

      It seems that whenever someone in management lets marketing smoke enough weed to even think about visiting the engineers we get something like Bob or ME or Vista or Metro.

      I wish them good luck. Changing corporate culture is very hard when 'those other guys in that other building' are easy to let go when the stock price tumbles for reasons known only to the Random Number God(s).

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      "You cannot have a General Will unless you have shared experiences. You cannot be fair to people you don't know."
  3. "$#!+" ? "s--t" ? by Solozerk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really ? the word is censored both times in TFS and even the image itself is blurred in TFA.
    Are we really so prude and puritan as a culture that we can't even bring ourselves to write "SHIT" ?

    This goes beyond political correctness - it's frankly ridiculous.

  4. A tiny fraction of what's needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, there needs to be a company culture in which people dare to take time to play in a facility like that.

    Second, there needs to be an outside chance that the epic "s--t" will actually see the light of day and not be stomped on by Steve Ballmer because it doesn't run Windows.

    Third, there needs to be infrastructure. One MS manager I know tried to order a bookshelf to store technical references for the group's use. The request was denied because the bookshelf wasn't a standard item. What happens when a hacker orders something random?

    Fourth, for people who aren't pure hackers but have some self-interest, there needs to be some believable financial benefit to developing something cool

    Without all that, this idea is sheer cargo cult.

  5. It's all... by Duncan+J+Murray · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...too late.

  6. Re:f--k that motto by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you look at the picture in the f-----g article, you can see that that `shit' is very obviously present under the poor blur, and can conclude with reasonable confidence that it was CNN changed it.

  7. CNN Censored it. by blowdart · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not censored in the pictures of the slogan that neowin has or SCM Magazine.

    It wasn't that hard to search for either. However it was probably harder than the knee jerk reaction shown above.

  8. what !@#$% is the point??? by sribe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is not that MSFT employees don't have good ideas; the problem is that management kills them (the ideas that is).

    1. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by bratmobile · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's just completely false. I know you hate Microsoft, but you're obviously writing from total ignorance. I've worked at Microsoft for years, and there is plenty of goofing off and just general creativity. Any group (inside or outside Microsoft) that drives people at 80 hours/week forever is just doomed to failure, because they will burn people out and destroy their most important asset.

  9. "make mobile payments with just their bodies" ...? by drkim · · Score: 5, Funny

    I liked the line in the original article:

    one Microsoft Office developer is currently working in the Garage on a tool allowing people to make mobile payments with just their bodies.

    I think this already goes on all over the world.
    http://www.theonion.com/articles/housewife-charged-in-sexforsecurity-scam,1773/

  10. Cute office space != Culture transplant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Have to post anonymously for this one, as it's about my current workplace...

    I work for an IT service provider that services a very staid, boring, stick-in-the-mud industry. The company has been around since the 50s, is multinational, and has a very management-heavy, bureaucracy-laden culture. Our engineering teams (including the one I'm on) are pretty much allowed to operate around this whole mess because we build their products and services. And the industry we serve is concerned with reliable, always-on service ONLY, nothing else. As Engineering, we give that to them with a minimum of fuss, often completely end-running the layers of bureaucracy to make sure things stay alive.

    All of a sudden last year, the company brought in the usual suspects from the management consultant universe, who suggested a radical culture shift. One of the other division offices (not ours)got gutted and turned into a clone of the Google office pictures that have leaked to the web. All the fun happy stuff from the Hipster Twentysomething Web 2.0 Culture Checklist is there -- no offices, hot desking, open floor plan, beanbag chairs, large common areas, and a cutesy color scheme and design pattern reflecting our company's core customers' business.

    The problem is that nothing else has changed. People are still stuck in the same mindset, but now they're sitting in beanbag chairs doing it or trying to be heard over the noise of their colleagues in one of these open-area offices. I'm actually one of those people who prefers a private office or cube with enough quiet to be able to work, so I'm glad our office didn't get transformed (yet.)

    So, Microsoft can change anything they want, but it won't bring back the hacker culture and 90s startup feel unless they start actively cultivating that mindset. As far as I can tell, it's too late for that -- there's way too much at stake to make radical changes. I'm betting that SP1 of Windows 8 will let businesses remove the Metro (or whatever it is now) interface, just to keep the status quo going.

    I think that once a company gets established, there's no easy way to bring it back to startup mode. I'm not even sure that's the right thing to do. For example. I'm older now (late 30s) and lack the desire to work 90-hour weeks for a company, just because I have a life -- married with children and all that. Almost everyone else my age who is still in the startup, 90-hour, gotta-do-this-for-the-team crowd is divorced, headed that way or permanently single, and has nothing going on outside of work. I work hard, but something really has to be on fire that no one else can fix if any employer expects tons of extra work. I work hard already keeping my skills sharp outside of work so I don't end up unemployed... The problem is companies don't understand that people who aren't just out of school have a lot of good experience, so I don't know if the relentless focus on startup culture is a good solution.