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Australian Watchdog Frets Over BitCoin, MMOs' Money Laundering Potential

angry tapir writes "Australia's anti-money laundering watchdog AUSTRAC believes that money laundering using digital currencies such as Bitcoin and virtual worlds (such as MMOs) are possible 'emerging threats'. The organisation's latest 'typologies' report earmarked virtual worlds and Bitcoin as two areas that the agency would be monitoring, although at this stage no-one seems sure to what extent they are being used (and some of the issues with Bitcoin, such as the fluctuating exchange rate and limited options for transferring value to real-world currencies through conversion to non-digital currencies or using it to pay for goods or services, mean that it's unlikely it's being used for money laundering on a significant scale)."

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  1. Best money laundering vehicle by stevegee58 · · Score: 2

    The best money laundering vehicle remains the USD denominated in good old $100 greenbacks.

    1. Re:Best money laundering vehicle by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Informative

      Offtopic, but see the Legal Tender cases.

    2. Re:Best money laundering vehicle by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The best money laundering vehicle remains the USD denominated in good old $100 greenbacks.

      Not really, no. The biggest problem with drug cartels is what to do with all those damn physical dollars. They take up a lot of space and complicate logistics considerably, even fatally. So they use bank accounts, credit cards, etc., to purchase supplies and cut checks to their employees, just like any other business. But to do that, their financial records have to look just like any other business too, or the money will be seized.

      Money laundering is not a simple process like people believe it is, especially when the sums become non-trivial. It's actually very complicated, since every financial transaction is recorded electronically. Nobody shows up with a fist full of hundred dollar bills to buy a house, or a car -- those that do immediately get added to a dozen different watchlists. You pay with a guaranteed check, a credit card, or other financial instrument. Nowhere is the old adage "When in Rome..." more true than in money laundering. Your records have to look the same as any other legitimate business. Even the smallest discrepancy, the most benign mistake in your record keeping, and a forensic accountant could flag you -- and then the government comes and throws you in a black van and you're never seen from again.

      Most drug dealers are busted on money laundering charges, not drugs. And for good reason -- it's a lot easier to hide drugs than money.

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    3. Re:Best money laundering vehicle by egamma · · Score: 2

      A believe he's referring to Article 1, Section 10:

      "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

      You bolded the wrong section. It should looks like this:

      "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal;coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

    4. Re:Best money laundering vehicle by Jeremi · · Score: 2

      And considering people "roll back" bitcoin transactions every time there's a hack that "devalues" the value of it versus current fiat currency (like how NYSE rolled back stock trades). All those hacks that steal bitcoins cause the price of it to crash, those transactions get rolled back because if you own a lot, suddenly they're worth less, etc.

      To my knowledge, nobody has ever "rolled back" a bitcoin transaction, because it is not possible to roll back a BitCoin transaction. Not unless you've gained control over more than half of the computers on the BitCoin p2p network, anyway.

      What you're probably thinking of is various BitCoin-related trading sites getting hacked, and rolling back the state of their databases -- which is indeed troubling, for users of those sites, but it's a problem specific to those sites and not to the BitCoin protocol itself.

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  2. Re:Massive Yawn time by JDG1980 · · Score: 2

    This is an old and dead issue since any reputable MMO will have locks in place to prevent large scale money laundering. Also i would put odds that The Treasury Department has folks "in world" just so they can monitor things.

    I can see the Fox News headlines now: "Federal Government Hires People to Play Video Games."

  3. And in other news... by bmo · · Score: 2

    ... grass is green, the sky is blue, and the sun will come up tomorrow.

    The entire Silk Road operation is dependent upon bitcoin being used as a method of money laundering.

    Any transaction obfuscating the exchange of value for illegal goods is ipso-facto money laundering.

    US law: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1956

    Australian law: http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tcb/1-20/tcb004.aspx

    And both laws encompass "known or should have known" concepts - that if it's obvious and you wilfully or negligently turned a blind eye, you're in trouble anyway.

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  4. REAMDE? Should read... by ravenscar · · Score: 2

    Aussie watchdog starts reading Neal Stephenson novels in hopes that he'll find more things to fret about.

  5. Re:What we need is a WOW Lobby by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    Nah, for taxation, "WOODROW WILSON!!!1!11!"

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  6. Re:Easy target by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Standard Chartered Bank (SCB) has agreed to pay the New York State Department of Financial Services (DFS) $340 million to settle charges that the British bank concealed over $250 billion in transactions with Iranian clients and deliberately lied to New York banking regulators.
    But SCB is not an isolated case. In 2009, Lloyds Bank and Credit Suisse were fined $350 million and $536 million, respectively, for allegedly removing or altering information to conceal prohibited transactions with Iranian clients and customers from other sanctioned countries.
    In 2010, ABN Amro and Barclays were docked $500 million and $298 million, respectively, for allegedly committing similar crimes. Then, this June, ING Bank paid the largest ever fine -- $619 million -- against a bank for allegedly moving billions illegally through the U.S. financial system on behalf of Iranian and Cuban clients...

    While five banks have entered into deferred prosecution agreements with the DOJ and agreed to pay fines in the hundreds of millions of dollars, no bank official has been criminally prosecuted and punished.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/16/opinion/banks-too-big-to-prosecute/index.html

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  7. Getting involved in cash-heavy businesses? by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Isn't this the "old school" way of laundering money?

    Either through outright purchase or, more commonly, strongarm, gain control of a business that does a lot of cash transactions -- bars, restuarants (cheap ones now), vending companies, taxis, anyplace people spend cash. Also gain control or create a business that acts as a vendor to that business on a regular basis (food wholesaler or other supplier).

    The dirty money goes in as revenue to the cash-heavy business as bogus sales. Some money comes out "clean" as the business profits, but probably more of it comes out "clean" as payments to the suppliers. This allows you to offset your fake sales revenue (which is dirty cash input) with fake supplier sales so you don't have to account for, say, a million cans of coca cola or a couple of tons a beef a week.

    Anyway, I've always been told that this is why the mob has been big in vending.

    1. Re:Getting involved in cash-heavy businesses? by zlives · · Score: 3, Interesting

      launderer legitimately own a casino.
      launderer or a hired hand shows up with a suitcase full of 100 bills.
      bet it all on black and double down until lose.
      profit

  8. Re:Easy target by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you give a man a gun he can rob a bank, if you give a man a bank, he can rob the world.

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  9. Re:What's wrong with money laundering? by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2

    Actually if you check the regulations, any movement of value which is over-threshold for which you don't perform the relevant ID checks and investigations is also defined as money laundering. You can be a money launderer without even realizing you're a criminal if you simply don't file the right paperwork, where "right paperwork" is unfortunately somewhat vague. For example if you sell a house or run a pawnshop you may need to follow AML regulations and try and figure out where the purchaser/seller gets their income from, otherwise you too can be a money launderer even if no other crime was committed!

  10. "Threat" by J'raxis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, it's a "threat" all right. It's a threat to their control over people. But then again, privacy and the freedom it brings is always a threat to governments, isn't it?

  11. Increased Book Value of the Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So you put an extra 10 bucks of 'dirty' money into a business each month. Since all the operating costs are already paid, this money goes right to the bottom line. This extra 10 dollars a month increases the bottom line by 120/year. Now it is time to sell the business. It sells at a multiple of earnings. Let us say 5 times.

    So $10 x 12 months x 5 P/E = $600

    That 10 bucks a month has increased the sale value of the business 60 times.

    Pretty cool, eh?

    And IF the 'dirty' money is what pushes the business from loss to profit, ouch, that new owner has got some real problems. Buyer Beware.

    The numbers might be a bit off, but it illustrates the concept.

    Moral of the story is that you need a good accountant. He will find stuff like this. He knows all the tricks. He has too. He would not be a good accountant if he did not. They don't put these tricks in books or on the internet. Find a really old guy that has done audits on Governments and Megacorps. If he has a non-assuming ten year old car that goes really really fast, you have your guy.

    If you have ever seen Yodi the Beancounter do an audit on some amateur bookcooker, the most terrifying thing is how fast he finds the frauds. He will walk right up to exact one of the myriad of filing cabinets, and pull out the exact file, and poof, you're busted. It is indistinguishable from magic.

    The Government has some really scary good auditors. Some of the best.

    Guns, God and GAAP. The three pillars of civilization. Laugh if you like. But when you reach a certain point in the game, when you violate GAAP with a crooked set of books, in many people's minds, you have violated one of the 3 holy of holies. Expect wrath and retribution of biblical proportions. You have been fairly warned.

    Oh, and don't do drug deals over the phone. Ever.

    Don't do drug deals over the internet.

    You are doing something illegal and then the police do something illegal to catch you, you get all holy with the righteous indignation? What is that? That is unclear thinking. If you chose to break the law, do not whine. Be a man about it. There are no safety nets.

    When you break the law, you are a 'Bad Guy'. This means the 'Good Guys' can do 'whatever it takes' to bring you to justice. The good guys are holy, doing God's work. You are evil scum slime, with no rights at all. You deserve to be punished. Cast into a lake of fire. Zero Tolerance. The means justifies the end. This is how they think. GOT IT?

    Seems obvious, but here we are discussing it. Maybe their parents did not teach them. The police are not your friends. The government is not your friend. The Establishment and the Man are out to get you and fuck you up. The media is out to deceive you. The law is there to keep you in your place, to exploit you, to steal the fruits of your labors. It always has been, It always will be.

    None of this is on the internet because it is illegal stuff. There is no 'How to Launder Money' site. There is no 'Making a safe dope deal' site. There is no 'Dial A Doper App' with encryption and good data retention laws. The dope vendor is a felon and you cannot call the cops or take him court.

    When you break the law, you are going past the point on the map where it says "There be Dragons". There is no app. Jail sucks. You friends will rat on you faster than you can say "Mark Zuckerberg"

    Maybe dope should be legal. Maybe tax rates should be low enough that nobody needs to launder money. Or put it offshore so a greedy debt ridden governments do not seize it. Maybe if there were enough good paying jobs people would not need to do so many crimes. These are the real issues.

    So to close, there is a whole dark world of knowledge on how to survive and prosper when the system gets corrupt from top to bottom. The price of failure in this world however is Jail and Death.

    But I would rather spend my time pushing back the darkness, and focus on saving this civilization. I would rather the system worked, that is stays honest. That stupi

  12. Re:Easy target by sjames · · Score: 2

    Boy do you have some reading to do!

  13. Re:Easy target by sjames · · Score: 2

    Funny how nobody from those banks has gone to Gitmo like the terrorists they are