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US Court Sides With Gene Patents

ananyo writes "Gene patents have been upheld in a landmark case over two genes associated with hereditary forms of breast and ovarian cancer. The lawsuit against Myriad Genetics, a diagnostic company based in Salt Lake City, Utah, that holds patents on the genes BRCA1 and BRCA2, has bounced from court to court since 2010. In a 2-1 decision today, a federal appeals court reaffirmed their latest decision that genes represent patent-eligible matter. As noted before on Slashdot, the case will have major implications for cancer researchers, patients and drug makers."

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  1. Smoking Crack by OrangeTide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While Judge Koh suggests Apple is “smoking crack” in another case, I'm going to suggest that judges are smoking crack here.

    What other natural phenomenon can I patent? The shape of a quartz crystal perhaps?

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    1. Re:Smoking Crack by houghi · · Score: 5, Funny

      What other natural phenomenon can I patent? The shape of a quartz crystal perhaps?

      If you have quarts with rounded corners, I have some bad news for you.

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    2. Re:Smoking Crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It must be the same crack that causes an opposite ruling of the one the Supreme Court ruled on a few months ago.

      But the real problem here is that a judicial system designed to interpret criminal law is not designed to interpret scientific merit or results. The entire premise of the system is faulty. Patents eligibility should not be decided by criminal courts, nor should they be processed as if the only merit for approval is that the legal forms and fees are paid.

    3. Re:Smoking Crack by DragonTHC · · Score: 2

      I'm going to patent water!

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    4. Re:Smoking Crack by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And what happens if you reproduce with somebody who has these genes? Will they be able to sue you over your children, the way Monsanto sues people over corn?

    5. Re:Smoking Crack by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      "What other natural phenomenon can I patent? The shape of a quartz crystal perhaps?"

      That's what makes this ruling so bizarre -- and likely to be overturned. The Supreme Court has ALREADY ruled that you can't patent "elements of nature".

    6. Re:Smoking Crack by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can see it now: emotional patents.

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    7. Re:Smoking Crack by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      Well, given that there are approximately 50 trillion cells in the average human, I think you could get away with some MPAA/RIAA numbers to use, here...

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    8. Re:Smoking Crack by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's sad when cynicism replaces outrage.

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    9. Re:Smoking Crack by Teancum · · Score: 3, Informative

      At that level of appeals, the judges are one and the same. The only difference between a civil and criminal case is who happens to be paying for the prosecution (criminal cases are almost always paid for by a government entity) and if the defendant has to spend time in prison or not if unsuccessful. A few other minor differences also hold (in terms of threshold of evidence and a few other things).

      The court rooms are the same, the judges are the same, and the precedent setting capability is the same in all cases.

      That the original grandparent post was suggesting that patent litigation was a criminal matter may have been a confused, but then again changes in "intellectual property law" have indeed criminalized some violations that previously were merely a civil matter. I would dare say that even members of congress often confuse the two kinds of legal actions, and add confusing things into the laws they write which really mucks things up in a hurry.

    10. Re:Smoking Crack by Teancum · · Score: 2

      Will they be able to sue you over your children, the way Monsanto sues people over corn?

      Um, if you find children growing out of you due to accidental scattering of some else's "seed", you've got much bigger problems than a patent lawsuit...

      I've known a few people who scatter their seed rather far and wide. You can ask more than a few women about "accidental scattering of seed" that has children growing out of them and how that has impacted their lives.

      Then again, it sounds like you need somebody to talk to you about the birds and the bees with the talk your parents should have given to you. A refresher course in genetics would be advisable too. Then again I think these judges ought to take a refresher course in genetics as well.

    11. Re:Smoking Crack by jamstar7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dude, everybody in the US has trouble understanding the legal system in the US. It just don't make sense no matter how you slice it, even when you use a chainsaw.

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    12. Re:Smoking Crack by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it will. Most slashdotters are male, I'm guessing. Their mothers, sisters, maybe GFs, etc., now face expensive custom gene cures for BC.

      And guys that are hoping for prostate cancer breakthroughs will also have come up with more dosh to keep living.

      Cancer isn't the only problem. Think of the Monsanto problem. Genes that grow money in the form of drought resistant food stuffs. Genetic material is a program, and the variables are the sequences, and the sequences are numbers, and numbers aren't patentable, they're data in the program of life. Life shouldn't be patentable; it exists in nature. Altering the numbers produces different results. What.A.Surprise.

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    13. Re:Smoking Crack by joocemann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The lawyers, judges (previous lawyers whose colleagues are all lawyers, and politicians (over 80% are lawyers) have established a pretty serious level of JOB SECURITY, haven't they?

    14. Re:Smoking Crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just for everyone wading through the comments below that are all missing the point, here's what the article says:

      In March, the US Supreme Court asked the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit to reconsider the case in light of a ruling against patents on a different, non-genetic diagnostic test. In this case, patents were rendered invalid because they merely reiterated ‘laws of nature’.

      But according to the latest judges, the patents Myriad holds do not reiterate these laws. In the court’s decision, Judge Alan Lourie writes: “Each of the claimed molecules represents a nonnaturally occurring composition of matter.”

      The reason this patent survived was that the process of the test involved creating novel molecules. The novel molecules + the algorithm for the test are patentable. The algorithm on its own is not. The gene on its own is not. The upshot: this patent is easily breakable.

    15. Re:Smoking Crack by pepty · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Oops, meant to post this under my user name:

      Two points:

      -This was about a test for risk factors for breast cancer, not a treatment. Treatments for breast cancer, gene based or no, GMOs, etc would be patentable regardless of the outcome of this case.

      -This result really doesn't matter in the long run when it comes to the cost of getting genetic tests.

      Within a few years the cost of getting ALL of the tests ALL AT ONCE will be below $1500. All of the genetic tests that are ever developed by any company anywhere. Why? Because the cost of sequencing your entire genome will soon be that cheap, and using your own sequence to find out what alleles you have that are relevant to various diseases neatly avoids the “Each of the claimed molecules represents a nonnaturally occurring composition of matter.” rationale for the patent being valid.

      The one exception would be sequencing tumors themselves to see which mutations they have developed, but that's another kettle of fish.

    16. Re:Smoking Crack by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      It's sad when cynicism replaces outrage.

      Sad, indeed, but purely natural and completely inevitable. Rome wasn't built in a day... but it ended in one... September 4, 476.
      Today it seems as if that were only yester-morrow.

    17. Re:Smoking Crack by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 2

      The aliens that kidnapped me outside Atlanta beg to differ. And excuse the typos, I haven't gotten used to my new tentacles yet.

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    18. Re:Smoking Crack by Vintermann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that the people who have these genes should sue the hell out of the "owners" for giving them cancer.

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    19. Re:Smoking Crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "The one exception would be sequencing tumors themselves to see which mutations they have developed, but that's another kettle of fish."

      They can have the genomes of my tumors when they pry them from my cold, dead hands.

      Oh, wait.

    20. Re:Smoking Crack by pepty · · Score: 2

      The algorithm on its own (see if your version of the gene matches one on this list) falls under the "law of nature" ruling, and so isn't patentable. Which leaves you with getting information on your gene. There are a few ways to do this that are covered by the patent - and plenty that aren't. Right now 23andMe will include the BRCA and other breast cancer risk factors as part of its $300 dollar SNP workup (Myriad's test is ~2300). In a few years you'll be able to get your entire genome sequenced for less than the current cost of Myriad's test. At that point you won't need to pay for any test to get its information, you'll just run your sequence against the list of risk factors you're interested in. Free software to do this and score the results is already showing up online (friendly software that is, not software for genetics experts), and it is updated with new tests as they show up.

  2. Of Course, This is Insanity. by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Along this course of "logic" - you will someday be paying royalties on genes that comprise your own personal traits.

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    1. Re:Of Course, This is Insanity. by jd2112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the other hand if you have medical issues related to patented genes perhaps you could sue the patent holder.

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    2. Re:Of Course, This is Insanity. by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Likewise, if THEIR genes are causing a woman's breast cancer, they will naturally be held responsible, right? After all, if MY dog bites someone, I get the medical bills.

  3. The sky is falling...not. by wermske · · Score: 5, Interesting

    US Supreme Court precedent still holds that patents are invalid where they reiterate the 'laws of nature". This lower court ruling simply found, in another hearing of the case, that the two patents held by Myriad fail to meet the reiteration test. The lower court was directed to consider this rule as a guiding principle. They have done so. This does not preclude further appeal; however, given the very narrow nature of the ruling it is unlikely to have "major implications for cancer researchers, patients and drug makers."

    Certainly, it contributes to the body of common law; however, I don't believe there is deep policy significance in this latest ruling. The beauty of law is its ambiguity.

    1. Re:The sky is falling...not. by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The beauty of law is its ambiguity.

      Certainly, for those who make six figures exploiting such ambiguity it is.
      For people who actually just want to know whether a given action makes the liable or not, the ambiguity of the law is contrary to its fundamental purpose.

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    2. Re:The sky is falling...not. by bmo · · Score: 2

      It's on the gene itself.

      That's what makes this so mind-blowingly stupid. And to have the judge say that this is not a naturally occurring molecule (wait, people *manufacture* cancer genes?) sets bag of shit on the steps of the courthouse alight.

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    3. Re:The sky is falling...not. by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ambiguity helps to prevent exploits.

      Or allow them. It cuts both ways.

      And that's assuming it's even possible to craft an unambiguous law. Human language isn't particularly well suited to that task.

      And in that case, the ambiguity is an unfortunate side-effect, not "the beauty of the law"

      An ambiguous law almost inevitably leads to selective enforcement. This is a bad thing, because it puts power in the hands of the interpreters of the law, rather than the law itself.

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    4. Re:The sky is falling...not. by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      six figures isn't much these days. I'm making six figures replying to you, I mean.... writing code... It's compiling?

    5. Re:The sky is falling...not. by oxdas · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you read the ruling, it become clear that this is a patent on the gene sequence itself. It applies whether or not it is in the human body. It also applies to most variations of the sequence without limit. This means that no one else is allowed to isolate and work on the naturally occurring genes without paying royalties, even if the genes are present in your own body.

      A few quotes from the dissent:
      "From a genetic perspective, that claim covers one "composition of matter" --the BRCA1 gene. The isolated chromosomes 13 and 17. They have the same sequence, they code for the same proteins, and they represent the same units of heredity."

      "...its composition claims are not defined by any particular chemical formula. For example, claim 1 of the '282 patent covers all isolated DNAs coding for the BRCA1 protein, with the protein being defined by the amino acid sequence encoded by the naturally occurring BRCA1 gene ... And the patent does not identify the upper end of that range because the patent does not identify a unique nucleotide sequence ... Instead, the patent contains a sequence that is just 24,000 nucleotides longs with numerous gaps denoted by "vvvvvvvvvv." An almost incalculably large number of new molecules could be created by filling in those gaps with almost any nucleotide sequence."

    6. Re:The sky is falling...not. by bmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > The product of PCR generally does not occur in that form in nature. It is a manufactured nucleic acid

      Perhaps you don't understand PCR yourself. PCR makes identical copies of the molecule. It's the way PCR works. It's the same molecule as found in nature, just run through a metaphorical photocopier enough times to make it easier to handle.

      Your logic is like saying saying you can patent a mountain because you took a picture of it.

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    7. Re:The sky is falling...not. by LordLucless · · Score: 2

      It means the judges have more control over the law.

      Whether you're punished for something becomes less and less about the law, and more and more about the judge the more ambiguous the law is. There is supposed to be a delineation between creating the law (legislature) and applying the law (judicial). Moreover, the law is public - people can read it, object to it, push for it to be changed. It's much harder to do that with a judge's interpretation of the law.

      Fundamentally, the purpose of the law is to provide an answer to the question "Am I allowed to do this?" If the law's answer is "I dunno, it's ambiguous. Try it and see what the judge says." then the law is useless.

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  4. ... in the US by phorm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hopefully in the rest of the world, things will be more sane.

    1. Re:... in the US by Desler · · Score: 3, Informative
  5. Hmm... by Antony+T+Curtis · · Score: 5, Funny

    With these patents, does that mean that they own certain types of cancer?

    If so, then they should take responsibility of their property and stop being irresponsible and infecting people with their property.

    As remedy, I suggest that they fully pay for the treatment to remove their property from their victims and for the stress caused by their carelessness.

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    1. Re:Hmm... by Desler · · Score: 2

      With these patents, does that mean that they own certain types of cancer?

      No.

  6. Wait, what? by bmo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But according to the latest judges, the patents Myriad holds do not reiterate these laws. In the courtâ(TM)s decision, Judge Alan Lourie writes: âoeEach of the claimed molecules represents a nonnaturally occurring composition of matter."

    Like hell they are. This judge needs to go back to HS biology.

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    1. Re:Wait, what? by zlives · · Score: 2

      quick some one patent the higgs before LHC claims they own patent cause they discovered it... that will get us in some heavy shit

    2. Re:Wait, what? by tragedy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Regarding Judge Lourie from http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/judges/alan-d-lourie-circuit-judge.html:

      Before being appointed to the court, Judge Lourie had been President of the Philadelphia Patent Law Association, a member of the Board of Directors of the American Intellectual Property Law Association (formerly American Patent Law Association), treasurer of the Association of Corporate Patent Counsel, and a member of the board of directors of the Intellectual Property Owners Association. He was also Vice Chairman of the Industry Functional Advisory Committee on Intellectual Property Rights for Trade Policy Matters (IFAC 3) for the Department of Commerce and the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative. He was a member of the U.S. delegation to the Diplomatic Conference on the Revision of the Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property, held in Geneva in October and November 1982, and in March 1984. He was chairman of the Patent Committee of the Law Section of the Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association from 1980 to 1985.

      Judge Lourie was awarded the Jefferson Medal of the New Jersey Intellectual Property Law Association for extraordinary contributions to the field of intellectual property law in 1998; was a recipient of the Intellectual Property Owners Education Foundation Distinguished Intellectual Property Professional Award for extraordinary leadership in the intellectual property community and a lifetime commitment to invention and innovation in 2008; was a recipient of the Philadelphia Intellectual Property Law Association’s Award for outstanding IP achievement in 2010; was a recipient of the Boston Patent Law Association’s Distinguished Public Service Award in 2011...

      Good to know that these cases go to truly impartial judges.

    3. Re:Wait, what? by hondo77 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Because someone anti-patent would be "impartial"?

      No. Someone with no ties to the IP biz would be impartial, smartass.

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    4. Re:Wait, what? by tragedy · · Score: 2

      Because someone who is a member of a bunch of organizations whose function is essentially to pat each other on the back for expanding the scope of intellectual property clearly isn't impartial.

    5. Re:Wait, what? by tragedy · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Intellectual Property Owners Association:

      established in 1972, is a trade association for owners of patents, trademarks, copyrights and trade secrets. IPO is the only association in the U.S. that serves all intellectual property owners in all industries and all fields of technology.

      The association advocates effective and affordable IP ownership rights and provides a wide array of services to members. It concentrates on: supporting member interests relating to legislative and international issues; analyzing current IP issues; providing information and educational services; and disseminating information to the general public on the importance of intellectual property rights.

      Lourie is on the board of directors of this organization, which indicates a pretty clear bias on intellectual property issues. Eligibility for Membership on the Intellectual Property Rights IFAC

      He was also ice Chairman of the Industry Functional Advisory Committee on Intellectual Property Rights for Trade Policy Matters (IFAC 3) and:

      Committee members are U.S. citizens representing U.S. manufacturing or service firms, trade internationally, and have a special interest in and knowledge of international trade issues. Representatives of industry associations may also participate.

      So that's hardly a neutral position.

      He was also chairman of the Patent Committee of the Law Section of the Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association from 1980 to 1985, and clearly the Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association is not impartial.

      The rest of the stuff in there is recognition from all kinds of pro-ip groups. Based in this resume, this is clearly not a judge whose interests lie in exercising prudence when granting intellectual property rights to claimants. I left out the information on his eduction because it really has nothing to say about any potential bias or neutrality. It clearly does show, however, that he should be educated to clearly understand that "Each of the claimed molecules represents a nonnaturally occurring composition of matter" is a load of steaming genetic material. He clearly understands that the patent-holders in this case figuratively used a pair of pruning shears (which they didn't invent) to cut the (figurative) leaf off (still figurative) tree and then claimed the leaf as their own invention. His conceit is that the act of cutting the leaf off the tree is enough to make the "isolated" leaf an invention. That kind of logic effectively makes everything that can be discovered in nature patentable since the act of discovery "isolates" it from the rest of the natural world in which it originated.

    6. Re:Wait, what? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      Oh, it would certainly qualify under laws as they stand. Doesn't mean that they're good laws. I don't see how a material in and of itself can be claimed as patentable on any reasonable or ethical grounds. Just because you're the first one to discover some way of obtaining a certain substance, why should you be able to preclude me from devising a different way of getting the same thing? The substance in and of itself is not a creation of your intellect.

  7. Big Pharma wins again by danbuter · · Score: 2

    At least in the US, big pharmaceutical company profits are far more important than something as silly as the health of the general population.

    1. Re:Big Pharma wins again by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Patenting a gene because you made a detection kit for it is like invading Iraq because Saudis blew up some of your buildings.

      Oops! Sorry...

    2. Re:Big Pharma wins again by west · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do you mean that it's far better that everybody go without this discovery forever, than a large number of people (who can afford it, naturally) benefit during the patent period, and then everybody benefit from it afterwards?

      Or would you prefer to believe that in the absence of commercial medical research, government, which by their very nature don't tend to make risky investments that are unlikely to payoff, will miraculously somehow start funding expensive medical research?

      I'm a Canadian, and I like my cheap medical care. But it would be the height of hypocrisy to ignore the fact that almost all the medical developments that are likely to keep me healthy into old age wouldn't exist if there wasn't the good old greed of the American medical system. Of course, there are some notable exceptions, but in general, if someone isn't going to make money from it (with the significant chance of a lot of money), then people aren't going to take the risk of expensive research with high probability of failure.

      The choice for genetic research isn't between expensive vs. cheap. It's between expensive now + cheap later vs. not available at all.

    3. Re:Big Pharma wins again by Grave · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Scientists very rarely do any of the amazingly awesome stuff they do because they want tons of money. The people who fund the scientists only do so because they expect to make tons of money off of them. This is a very important distinction. Just like politics, if we remove money from the equation, a lot of good can happen. Medical and scientific progress shouldn't depend on the ability to turn a profit.

  8. Re:Gene Patents by neminem · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bill Posters is innocent!

  9. promising future treatment by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a fuller explanation from the opinion (not that I agree with it). They appear to be making a distinction between isolated DNA, which is allegedly nonnaturally processed in a way that renders it patent-eligible, and "native DNA" as it exists inside the human body, which is a natural occurring composition of matter.

    It is undisputed that Myriad’s claimed isolated DNAs exist in a distinctive chemical form—as distinctive chemical molecules—from DNAs in the human body, i.e., native DNA. Natural DNA exists in the body as one of forty-six large, contiguous DNA molecules. Each of those DNA molecules is condensed and intertwined with various proteins, including histones, to form a complex tertiary structure known as chromatin that makes up a larger structural complex, a chromosome. See supra, Figure 3. Inside living cells, the chromosomes are further encapsulated within a series of membranes and suspended in a complex intracellular milieu.

    Isolated DNA, in contrast, is a free-standing portion of a larger, natural DNA molecule. Isolated DNA has been cleaved (i.e., had covalent bonds in its backbone chemically severed) or synthesized to consist of just a fraction of a naturally occurring DNA molecule. For example, the BRCA1 gene in its native state resides on chromosome 17, a DNA molecule of around eighty million nucleotides. Similarly, BRCA2 in its native state is located on chromosome 13, a DNA of approximately 114 million nucleotides. In contrast, isolated BRCA1 and BRCA2, with introns, each consists of just 80,000 or so nucleotides. And without introns, BRCA2 shrinks to approximately 10,200 nucleotides and BRCA1 to just around 5,500 nucleotides. Furthermore, claims 5 and 6 of the ’282 patent cover isolated DNAs, e.g., primers or probes, having as few as fifteen nucleotides of a BRCA sequence. Accordingly, BRCA1 and BRCA2 in their isolated states are different molecules from DNA that exists in the body; isolated DNA results from human intervention to cleave or synthesize a discrete portion of a native chromosomal DNA, imparting on that isolated DNA a distinctive chemical identity as compared to native DNA.

    As the above description indicates, isolated DNA is not just purified DNA. Purification makes pure what was the same material, but was combined, or contaminated, with other materials. Although isolated DNA is removed from its native cellular and chromosomal environment, it has also been manipulated chemically so as to produce a molecule that is markedly different from that which exists in the body. Accordingly, this is not a situation, as in Parke-Davis & Co. v. H.K. Mulford Co., in which purification of adrenaline resulted in the identical molecule, albeit being “for every practical purpose a new thing commercially and therapeutically.” 189 F. 95, 103 (C.C.S.D.N.Y. 1911). Judge Learned Hand’s opinion for the district court in that oft-cited case held the purified “Adrenalin” to be patent-eligible subject matter. Id. The In re Marden cases are similarly inapposite, directed as they are to the patent ineligibility of purified natural elements—ductile uranium, 47 F.2d 957 (CCPA 1931), and vanadium, 47 F.2d 958 (CCPA 1931)—that are inherently ductile in purified form. While purified natural products thus may or may not qualify for patent under 101, the isolated DNAs of the present patents constitute an a fortiori situation, where they are not only purified; they are different from the natural products in “name, character, and use.” Chakrabarty, 447 U.S. at 309-10.11.

    1. Re:promising future treatment by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 2

      As long as you trim off any excess leaves and whatnot, you can patent a tree branch that occurs in a certain place in all trees. Especially if you have a lucrative diagnostic kit that will support lots of expensive litigation.

    2. Re:promising future treatment by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      Composition of matter patents, that is producing something in a new form from two or more ingredients is one of the four original types of patents, going all the way back to the Patent Act of 1790.

      Such a composition must posses new properties to be patentable.

      It would take some pretty radical changes to patent law to make what Myriad did non-patentable.

  10. Judges Lourie and Moore don't know DNA from shit by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 2

    Not only is this a stupid decision - that my genes can be patented by a third party - but it's a decision which will allow the patent trolls to monopolise them and will result in many, many deaths worldwide. These judges should be ashamed of themselves on both levels.

    Judge Alan Lourie writes: “Each of the claimed molecules represents a nonnaturally occurring composition of matter.. Oh bullshit. I've noticed when lawyers try and make decisions regarding science and technology - be it copyright or biosciences - more often than not they balls it up and the public is left to bear the cost of their arrogance. In this case research will be curtailed by other scientists not wanting to go anywhere near what may be patented technology, and members of the public will die. Talk about judicial arrogance.

    It was Judges Lourie and Moore who fucked this up. Bryson dissented. With such a narrow decision I hope the victims can appeal.
    http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/10-1406_0.pdf

  11. Your health doesn't matter to Myriad by fastbiker · · Score: 5, Informative

    I used to work at Myriad Genetics on their lab software and believe me they don't give a single shit about anybody's health. They care about charging exorbitant amounts for testing and counseling. Remember, these tests do not definitely tell anybody they will get cancer. They are simply and statistical indicator.

    What Myriad patented are not the genes themselves (EVERYBODY has them). What they patented are the pattern of specific mutations of the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes. It is these specific mutations (nucleotide patterns) within the genes that MAY indicate the POSSIBILITY of cancer. You have to also consider the medical and family history of a specific patient and then make a guess as to what the probability of cancer will be in the future. It's never a yes or no answer.

    To add insult to injury, the original research for finding the mutations of the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes was done by the founders of Myriad at the University of Utah which is a state school. The public paid for the original research.

  12. Re:From the rest of the world by Desler · · Score: 2

    Patenting of genes in the EU is already allowed.

  13. Re:Judges Lourie and Moore don't know DNA from shi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not only is this a stupid decision - that my genes can be patented by a third party - but it's a decision which will allow the patent trolls to monopolise them and will result in many, many deaths worldwide. These judges should be ashamed of themselves on both levels.

    Judge Alan Lourie writes: “Each of the claimed molecules represents a nonnaturally occurring composition of matter.. Oh bullshit. I've noticed when lawyers try and make decisions regarding science and technology - be it copyright or biosciences - more often than not they balls it up and the public is left to bear the cost of their arrogance. In this case research will be curtailed by other scientists not wanting to go anywhere near what may be patented technology, and members of the public will die. Talk about judicial arrogance.

    It was Judges Lourie and Moore who fucked this up. Bryson dissented. With such a narrow decision I hope the victims can appeal.

    http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/10-1406_0.pdf

    Although it is easy to blame mass ignorance when pointing to those appointed to sit behind a bench (which could easily be the case here), did you ever stop and consider that the decision was made with full knowledge and understanding?

    I'm not trying to purport wrongdoing in this case, but when you consider the hundreds of billions of dollars that Big Pharma (or other patent holders) stand to make with a decision like this, one cannot remove the possibility of wrongful influence. The benefit is far too one-sided to not consider it.

  14. Re:Yep... by Gideon+Fubar · · Score: 2

    But on the other side of things, it guarantees that America's biotechnology industry will stagnate and China's will boom. It's just a consequence of the Free Market, so that's ok right?

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  15. So, by M0j0_j0j0 · · Score: 2

    Just take the test elsewhere outside the US, make the cell collection in the US, send for analysis outside.

  16. Going to have to agree the judges are on crack by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Seriously, it's like saying we're slaves and the property of corporations.

    Which still aren't people.

    Canada and the EU plus ANZA ftw.

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  17. Re:Smoking Crack or what the hey by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    I'm going to patent water!

    Too late, I already patented Hydrogen and Oxygen.

    You owe me royalties.

    Oh, and stop breathing.

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  18. Re:Smoking Crack or what the hey by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ha! fooled you! I use light as a wave!

    Try to catch me!

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  19. Why has anyone patented this? by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why didn't anyone patent the business model of patent trolls? Seems pretty lucrative. If just one of them managed to pull it off, they could have sued all the other patent trolls.

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    1. Re:Why has anyone patented this? by OwMyBrain · · Score: 2