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Scientists Set Bold Plan For Future Exploration of the Sun
coondoggie writes "Our understanding of space weather and the impact of space around Earth has greatly increased in the last 10 years and if the ambitious plan the National Research Council can be implemented, the next 10 years will generate tons more scientific insight. The National Research Council issued its second research recommendation report, 'Solar and Space Physics: A Science for a Technological Society,' which represents 18 months of research by more than 85 solar and space physicists and space system engineers and lays out major scientific goals for solar exploration on the next 10 years."
Manned exploration of the sun. Now that would be bold.
The first person to make the "go at night" joke should be permabanned.
Slashdot: providing anti-social weirdos a soapbox, since 1997.
You ain't seen bold until someone funds my manned mission to the Sun.
As a cost saving measure, we'll go at night. As well as reduced insulation expenses, it's downhill all the way.
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4 posts: 2 "at nights", 2 "manned expeditions".
Carry on, Slashdot.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
They're going to land at night.
OK. I have poster's regret. Can I delete this now? ;-)
Oh, yeah! Wise guy, huh? Woob woob woob woob! Nyuk! Nyuk!
In other news, India has just announced a manned landing on the Sun by 2019.
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Good news! The delete comes with the permaban!
Hooray! Everyone wins!
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you're a fucking idiot.
I look forward to the day when American scientific research can generate tonnes more scientific research.
And how many tons are there per Library of Congress?
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If you honestly don't think that an atmosphere has something to do with it you really need to work on that science education.
Take the moon, for instance. Given its distance from the sun it should be able the same temperature on the surface as on Earth. But is it? No. During the day it's 125C. At night? -150C. Also see Venus, which, due to its atmosphere, has an average surface temperature more than double that of Mercury despite being twice the distance from the sun and receiving less than 25% of the solar output.
The sun provides the heat. The atmosphere keeps it there and distributes it around. Different gasses have different absorption properties. Carbon dioxide, methane and water vapor are all high on the list for trapping heat energy.
I want to know when we will be able to put a man on the sun. In fact, I'd be more than willing to volunteer a few people...
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You are wasting your time if you are trying to convince the wilfully ignorant by educating them with the facts and using logical deductive reasoning.
You will have more luck convincing the Pope that indeed, god does not actually exist.
I propose that we send select delegates from both the house and senate on this noteworthy mission, so that they can see for themselves how silly it was to scrub the "return stage" construction budget.
We of course, need to supply them with 2 way radio contact so thay can debate the matter via telepresence with their peers in washington.
They're going to land on the dark side of the Sun.
You will have more luck convincing the Pope that indeed, god does not actually exist.
I'm sure his holiness is fully aware. The idea is to not let the proletariat catch on.
You too.
It's an interesting point that due to its size, its power output has been very consistent (presumably areas of higher output than the norm are cancelled out by alternate areas of lower output).
Alas regarding Global Warming, we pay more attention to areas of lower temperature than the mean as proof that GW doesn't exist, than the average itself which is steadily rising higher. Which is strange since the energy entering the system isn't rising to a similar degree at all.
Actually, he had it right. Must not be American, else he's a greybeard like me from back in the day when we DID leave kids behind if they just couldn't cut it...
Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
What a coincidence, I was just talking with some of my colleagues at the research lab the other day: "Hey, you know what's really hot?" ... after an awkward 15 minute silence where we realize we couldn't name a single chick in recent popular culture to pretend like we were still cool, some smart ass finally says, "I know what's really hot, the Sun. It's so hot you can probably feel its heat all the way on Earth."
I replied with great excitement, "Holy shit Dr. Jones, you might be on to something big there."
We all rushed to the library to find our favorite table unoccupied. After ten hours of heavy literature searching, and many trips by our grad students to fetch us coffee, we finally had to quit when the library started to close. We tried to buy some time by having Dr. Adler flirt with the librarian. Despite breaking his personal record, he only got us another 14.3 seconds.
So despite our exhaustive efforts, we had to give up and had to conclude: no one has ever measured the Sun's output before. We thought we were onto something there, but without any data we couldn't corroborate our idea that the Sun heats the Earth. At first it came as such a shock to us, not only was it an amazing idea, but we could be the first scientists to ever think of it. In retrospect it seemed so simple, as all amazing research does.
But eventually we felt like giving up, becoming depressed after arguing whether measuring the Sun's output could be done for only a few million dollars or if we would need at least a few tens of millions of dollars. It clearly was a project that would require a large team and infrastructure, well beyond anything achievable by past scientists, or a single person. I think the guys lost their motivation to pursue such novel work, but not any more. Just wait until I tell them there is someone on Slashdot that supports the new theory too.
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You are wasting your time if you are trying to convince the wilfully ignorant by educating them with the facts and using logical deductive reasoning.
You will have more luck convincing the Pope that indeed, bears do not shit in the woods.
FTFY. Yer welcome.
Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
During a press conference
President: We will beat other countries by sending the first man on the sun!
Press: Will they get burned?
President: I have thought about that so we will be sending them during the night!
"Since the beginning of time man has yearned to destroy the sun."
(Excellent.)
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Bravo, well played sir!
Because this must be the people who came up with that. Smashmouth you too, buddy !!
Hey all scientists who have ambitious 'plans' to "experiment" with the Sun... Please DON'T!!! DON'T FUCK WITH THE SUN!!! Just look at it, okay? Do not "play" with it! It's working, it's been working fine fir BILLIONS OF YEARS!!! When something as important as THE SUN is working, leave it alone! Don't fix it!!!
Further, we have direct satellite measurements of solar output since 1978. There's been no clear trend to it while temperatures on Earth have gone up steadily.
NASA will send a pair of rovers, the "Damn, that's hot" and the "Ouch, it burns" to explore the photosphere. Expected mission lengths after arrival are expected to be measured in the femtoseconds.
Village idiot in some extremely smart villages.
Wow, that must be embarrassing for you.
No? Just wondering. Thanks.
They have four main goals:
*Determine the origins of the Sun's activity and predict the variations in the space environment.
* Determine the dynamics and coupling of Earth's magnetosphere, ionosphere, and atmosphere and their response to solar and terrestrial inputs.
* Determine the interaction of the Sun with the solar system and the interstellar medium.
* Discover and characterize fundamental processes that occur both within the heliosphere and throughout the universe.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
A Ferengi scientist, Dr. Reyga, has created a metaphasic shielding technique. A shuttle is to be fitted with Dr. Reyga's shield and flown into a nearby star.
It's obvious that he was just being sarcastic and playful ... right?
In Soviet Russia, the sun explores you!
I R on Sun, first manned mission to the Sun.
Will they take all the fissionable material on earth, make it into a bomb the size of Manhattan Island to restart the sun and then, when the ship breaks down, build another one that also has all the fissionable material on earth?
Because, from where I'm standing, that about sums up the average "scientist's" level of credibility.
Reads like the sort of bland non-specific but ambitious-sounding balls that research councils push all the time. Great sound bites for the politicians, but what does it really mean?
Harness sun's energy create revolving man-made earth, so that we can be there in-spite of asteroid Armageddon on earth.
Today Joe Biden will announce our plans to land the first man on the Sun.
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Glad you asked... http://m.tgdaily.com/space-features/65491-why-is-the-sun-so-round
Now THAT would be bold. Laser cooled, laser propulsion manned solar exploration vehicle. Until they can match David Brin's dream, nothing about solar exploration will feel "bold" to me. Sigh. I'm spoiled.
I like my dinosaurs feathery, and my pterosaurs hairy (or is it pycnofibery?)
Is it April already?
A dyslexic neurotic now wonders if there really is a dog.
Back in the 1990s there was a similar blueprint produced by a group of Government agencies for space weather research over the upcoming 20 years. I mentioned this report to an engineer at Motorloa with whom I was working on estimating the potential for space weather impact on the then-planned Iridium system. She admitted as to having read the report, but her opinion was that it was simply "welfare for whitecoats" (ie., researchers) with no clear plans to fund the work needed to turn research into usable tools and products (reliable predictions, for example). This was a brutal take on the issue, but it raised a clear point that even the National Research Council later took on in a report they called "Crossing the Valley of Death - From Research to Operations". It's hard enough to get funding to do basic research. Getting funding to do applied research has been, is, and probably always will be the key missing piece in all this. There's no coherent base to advocate for it, whereas at least the research community has any number of organizations that do nothing but lobby for research funding.
There are many great space exploration ideas out there and way to little funds.
Just 'cause you disagree with it doesn't make it trollish. At worst this is offtopic, but given the logical inconsistancies that are found in Christian theology to begin with, its not far fetched to imagine that no one in their right mind actually believes it to be true. The controversies and corruption alone are enough to make one question, quite seriously, whether they practice what they preach. Coincidently, these people have everything to lose if they can't keep the ball rolling in their favour. End result? A blatant display of hipocricy where by it's obvious they're in it for the money.
It wasn't broken. Now it is.
Exploration of the Sun is so, so... hot...
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
Is there any reason for a manned mission to the solar system? The sun and mercury are obivous out of the question and most likely venus, but could there be any other reason to ever send a manned mission the interior of the solar system?
Because your joke is even older than mine.