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Project To Turn Classical Scores Into Copyright-Free Music Completed

yourlord writes "Just under two years ago Musopen launched a Kickstarter campaign covered here on Slashdot. Today that project is complete with the release of a large amount of classical recordings into the public domain. This brings an extensive collection of high quality classical music into the public domain. The project music is hosted on the Musopen site, and on archive.org."

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  1. It was me! by garglebutt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I invested in this. Great idea to set music free. Enjoy the downloads.

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    1. Re:It was me! by mug+funky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      which ones? the billionaire philanthropist that springs most easily to my mind is trying to eliminate malaria, solve the energy problem and thus mitigate climate change, and his wife's attempting to fix population problems in countries that can't sustain their birth rates.

      but i listen to Beethoven every now and then i suppose...

    2. Re:It was me! by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think the main reason he's doing it is because Microsoft became really boring.

      Operating Systems? Meh. Office? Meh.

      What, in the world of pure software, is going to make a real difference in peoples lives (not just a marginal difference)? Or a real difference to his bank balance?

      if I was even 1 / 10,000th as rich as Bill Gates (a respectable $6,000,000 dollars) I wouldn't be wasting my time trying to gild my corporate cage a bit more ; I'd be working on problems that interest me.

    3. Re:It was me! by aztracker1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How do you figure... giving 100,000 of income to charity is at most a tax break of 50,000 or so.... would 100,000 not be more than the 50,000 in taxes? I always hate arguments like this.... donations are not 1:1 deductible from taxes.

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    4. Re:It was me! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, he's doing it because it allows him to push IP treaties onto countries with growing economies and emerging markets that benefit his other investments.

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    5. Re:It was me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Surely, what an achievement, you helped to undercut the last chance of already decimated orchestras around the globe to earn some money from their original interpretations and recordings.

      This statement has done nothing but fall on deaf ears of those who still actually attend live orchestras. To assume you would understand that niche industry's financial ebb and flow is an insult to the very snobs that continue to keep it alive. Do you honestly consider a digital recording even on the same stage as a live presentation when speaking to fans of this particular art? I know they certainly would not.

    6. Re:It was me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Their attitude is that the musicians (and by extension, all content creators) should create art/music/films/games/etc. for the benefit of the rest of the rest of us as a hobby "

      Not at all. We want them to get paid _once_ for their work, just like the rest of us.
      You don't pay the builders, painters, cleaners of your house every time you use it, why should you pay for the background music there?

    7. Re:It was me! by RaceProUK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know about you, but I support musicians by seeing them live at gigs i.e. seeing them earn their money.

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    8. Re:It was me! by Merk42 · · Score: 4, Funny

      This statement has done nothing but fall on deaf ears of those who still actually attend live orchestras.

      If they're deaf, why are they attending an orchestra performance?

    9. Re:It was me! by glodime · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This makes no sense. He's giving his money away (the vast majority of it). He's repeatedly said that when he and his wife die, the foundation will give all of it's money away within X years (I think I remember the number being 10 or 20). When he makes more, he just has more to give away. So is this an evil plot to do more good?

    10. Re:It was me! by chill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On the Internet, everyone may not know you're a dog but by the tone of your comments they can be damn certain you're a douchebag.

      Don't put words in my mouth. The reason I payed the $50 was to get access to the whole lot as lossless. I'm converting them from AAC to Ogg-FLAC with proper tags and will bundle them as a torrent. Pirate Bay is one of many places I hope to see them.

      That *IS* the point of them being public domain, after all. And the entire point of this project was to share quality music.

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    11. Re:It was me! by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think he's doing it for the same reason that Carnegie and Rockerfeller did. He didn't want to be remembered as a Robber Baron so he went to work trying to buy his way into a better image.

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    12. Re:It was me! by aarondunn · · Score: 4, Informative

      Aaron here, founder of Musopen. I think you would be hard pressed to find any evidence that Musopen, or really any free online music service (spotify, itunes, rdio etc) is hurting symphonies. If there is a decline in attendance its because of a chance in musical tastes, not mp3s shared on the internet. I know from personal experience that I only became interested in classical music when a CD was shared with me (illegally!) and I began searching out more on my own. I now attend concerts because nothing will ever match the quality of the sound, or the experience hearing it live. I know that for a fact because I've spent way to much on my stereo system.

  2. Nicely done! by symbolset · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Fantastic. Now let's do it again until more classical works are liberated. And visit their "donate" button.

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    1. Re:Nicely done! by c0lo · · Score: 4, Informative

      And visit their "donate" button.

      FTFY (rationale: I read some comments indicating some have difficulties in finding their way on the site).

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    2. Re:Nicely done! by CrashandDie · · Score: 5, Informative

      Indeed. I remember the kickstart project and all, and how the project went from "With a few grand we can do this" to "Oh wow, we've got 7 times what we asked for, let's do more".

      I don't think they should've done more than they originally set out, they should've increased the planned quality. What I mean by that is that it is likely the initial budget they asked for was way too low, anyway, for what they wanted to do.

      Indeed, the quality of the recordings is poor, at best, and there are a great number of mistakes in the performances. Yet none of those care, because for maybe one of the first times, there are actual, recent recordings in the public domains. But coughing? Seriously?

      Anyway, I'd like for MusOpen to take this chance to also distribute the works in the raw format they have, or .wav, or any other kind of lossless format, preferably not encumbered by patents or licensing issues. I'll even go ahead and offer a lot of bandwidth to help MusOpen achieve that goal.

    3. Re:Nicely done! by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yet none of those care, because for maybe one of the first times, there are actual, recent recordings in the public domains. But coughing? Seriously?

      Seriously.. 1st movement, after playing begins.. a cough...

      Apparently its someones recital.. sounds like a tape player is used to record it.. where you can even hear the noise of the spinning tape...

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    4. Re:Nicely done! by anom · · Score: 3, Informative

      From my understanding the moonlight sonata wasn't even one of the pieces performed by the orchestra in the kickstarter campaign? It isn't listed at any of the links in the article. Musopen compiles a bunch of different music from many sources and so some if it is complete crap, but my impression was that the point of this project was to get some better recordings of a select group of pieces.

    5. Re:Nicely done! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      the ones they recorded are performed by "Musopen Symphony Orchestra"

      everything else on their site is a crapshoot from other sources.

    6. Re:Nicely done! by Swistak · · Score: 5, Interesting

      wav is not only losless format. Files are distrubuted also in m4f and flac ( http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7536456/2012_Musopen_Kickstarter_Project_%5BFLAC%5D ) Quality of recordings done by kickstarter campaign is excellent. And there was poll amongst backers what to do with money. I as one of backers (overwheliming majority) decided we want to have more music with good quality, then one or two tracks with perfect quality. If you want perfect recording from best orchestra in the world, go and buy it on dvd.

    7. Re:Nicely done! by Vintermann · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not quite, those which are recorded as "Musopen String Quartet" are also from this effort.

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  3. There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by rueger · · Score: 4, Informative

    The great weakness with this is that the value of sheet music is in the edition. Just as books benefit from a good editor, so does music.

    My girlfriend has a music degree, and is an accomplished teacher of piano. She pulls her hair out whenever a student shows up with something downloaded from the Internet, or even worse, one of those oddball cheap Chinese editions. How the music is edited really does affect how it is played.

    Aside from that, it's weird that the music listings aren't by composer. Do these folks not know how many "String Quartets in C major" have been written?

    1. Re:There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by symbolset · · Score: 5, Informative

      The composition has to be a relatively ancient edit to qualify for public domain status in the performed work.

      At the bottom you will see the option to filter by composer.

      And of course you're welcome to repeat the effort if this one doesn't suit your standard. In the meantime the rest of us will set about setting our slideshows, presentations, home movies and youtube clips to this public domain classical music.

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    2. Re:There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's weird that the article doesn't link to the Homepage of the project or at least to the main music browsing page which features, besides others, a list of composers to select from.

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    3. Re:There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the meantime the rest of us will set about setting our slideshows, presentations, home movies and youtube clips to this public domain classical music.

      And probably will get it taken down or muted because Youtube's filter system isn't smart enough to know the difference.

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    4. Re:There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by darkfeline · · Score: 3, Informative

      Indeed. I've been using Lilypond for a while now, and when you actually arrange and play your own music, you are enlightened to all the little details that unconsciously distract or help you. But note that it also depends on the person to a certain degree as well, e.g. some people just happen to read music written one way better.

    5. Re:There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by deek · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've never had a problem with using urtext sheet music; by definition, untouched by an editor. Your girlfriend should have no problem with students that show up with urtext copies, many of which are freely available on the internet. She is a teacher, so should help them to interpret the piece which is played, not play along with the interpretation of some editor. Besides, interpretation can be a very subjective thing; I've often disagreed with edited music and the changes they've made to the original piece. Then again, I've been known to disagree with the original composer, preferring to play dynamics in my own way, or to go with a staccato feel, rather than the legato that's marked on the music, or change a dozen other possible things you can when playing music.

      In that way, editing music is very much different to editing a book. You can't play around with written passages the way you can with music. Music is much more open to interpretation and change. It's why it is so fascinating listening to different performers play the same piece of music, and not so interesting listening to the same prose read by different people.

    6. Re:There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by dbc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      hmmm.... I found a page for sheet music listed by composer, and the search function will hit on composer names.

      As to editions, my daughter plays violin, so yeah, I understand the edition issue -- editing is huge with string instruments because the editor usually puts in bowings and sometimes suggested fingerings. But in the case of one Pablo de Sarasate piece that I looked up, it looked like the sheet music was a scan of an out-of-copyright edition from a prominent 19th Century German publisher. So the edition question probably hangs on what they managed to find where the copyright hasn't been kept up. Anyway, that's my one data point, so this being slashdot and all, one data point seems more than sufficient to jump to a conclusion. Excessive, even.

      Aside about editions: my daughter is currently studying the Bach sonatas and partitas for violin -- the edition our teacher recommended has both edited music in modern (OK, 80 or so year old) engraving and a facsimile of the original manuscript. It is interesting to look at the differences -- the original was very spare in terms of even the most basic articulations. I wonder if the Musopen project will be scanning facsimiles? For serious students being able to compare editions not only to each other but to the original manuscript is useful and sometimes important.

    7. Re:There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by RivenAleem · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All the better, enough complaints that legitimate music has been blocked may perhaps force them to come up with a better system.

    8. Re:There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by Vintermann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Probably not. The reason they have such a draconian system is that music companies insisted on it in order not to sue all of YouTube into pieces.

      I'm hoping one day Google will give the treatment to music companies that they're giving to broadband companies in Kansas city.

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    9. Re:There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by Vintermann · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Beethoven's fifth you linked to is performed by a small town college orchestra, not the Musopen Symphony Orchestra (really the Czech National Symphony Orchestra, but I don't know if Musopen are allowed to say that in advertising!). Anyone can contribute to Musopen - you'll even find midi keyboard renditions there. It's better than nothing, is Musopen's philosophy.

      During the Kickstarter, Aaron Dunn wrote to us and we discussed extensively whether we should get a few works by a "big name" orchestra, or several from a less-known one. We did blind listening tests, too.

      You still have the option to pay money to hear Bernstein's interpretations. In fact, you probably will always have to pay money to hear Bernstein's interpretations, the way copyrights are being extended... but now you also have the option of hearing some solid renditions of Brahms symphonies by a professional Czech orchestra, for free. For ever.

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  4. But how did he make money?! by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought the recording industry had definitively proved that if you didn't assert copyrights, there was no possible way for the starving artists* to be compensated for their hard work, and it would spell the end of recorded music?

    * all artists are starving. That's why they look good in music videos.

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    1. Re:But how did he make money?! by LordLucless · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some people starve because they don't have enough food. Others because they're just stupid.

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  5. FLAC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unfortunately, Musopen provided the content in Apple lossless format instead of a widely used, open, non-patent-encumbered format such as FLAC. Plus, the official torrent contains a single gigantic zip file.

    There is a torrent containing all 145 separate tracks in FLAC format here:
    http://pirateproxy.net/torrent/7536456/2012_Musopen_Kickstarter_Project_[FLAC]

    1. Re:FLAC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The ALAC decoder and encoder is opensource under the Apache 2.0 license, which essentially grants a world wide cost free and irrevocable* patent license in addition to the copyright license for the code itself.

      Claiming ALAC is patent encumbered is just plain bullshit, since patent licenses are granted free of charge. Claiming ALAC is not open is also clearly pure bullshit as the reference encoder and decoder is freely available.

      * Unless you decide to sue Apple for patent infringement, in which case your license will be revoked.

  6. For those looking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    the torrent link is: http://archive.org/download/musopen-lossless-dvd/musopen-lossless-dvd_archive.torrent

  7. Re:Completed? That's a bit of a laugh by anom · · Score: 5, Informative

    A number of people seem to be confusing the overall musopen library with the recently completed project.

    Musopen has been around for some time collecting non-copyrighted performances of various classic works from whatever source was available. For example, you'll note from the musopen page that the Pictures at an Exhibition was performed by the Skidmore College Orchestra.

    The Kickstarter project musopen undertook was to professionally record a few of the classics. On the Musopen site, you'll see "Musopen Symphony Orchestra" listed as the performer -- those pieces are listed here: http://musopen.org/music/by/performer/Musopen-Symphony-Orchestra

  8. And Such Small Portions! by guttentag · · Score: 4, Insightful
    To quote Annie Hall:

    Two elderly women are at a Catskill mountain resort, and one of 'em says, "Boy, the food at this place is really terrible." The other one says, "Yeah, I know; and such small portions."

    Reading the criticisms levied against the site is like listening to those two elderly women who just like to complain: "Boy, the music at this place is really terrible." "Yeah, I know; and there isn't nearly enough of it!"

    I think quantity needed to be more important than quality for this project. Sure, they need to have a minimum standard of quality, but the idea was to free as much music as possible. Some kid somewhere in the world would never have heard this music because he's not going to pay $1.29 for some music he's never heard (that they're not playing on the radio) and the sheet music isn't exactly jumping off the page to ensnare his imagination. However, something that's well-written and decently-performed on this site may get his attention and maybe someday he'll perform a better version and give back to us all. But that won't ever happen if he never hears it. That first exposure is key.

    The first time I heard Scheherazade it was in a movie (The Man With One Red Shoe). I didn't know what it was, but it got my attention. I was about seven. Years later I came across it again as a track that was tacked onto a $3 budget classical CD, and it got my attention again. I suggested it to the orchestra director in my high school and hundreds of people got to hear it. It's all about the exposure.

    If you want to be a snob about the quality, go pay for a performance and share it with the rest of us so we won't have to live our lives not knowing what good music sounds like. Frankly, I prefer the Scheherazade recording on that budget CD to any I've found on iTunes. The first performance of a piece is often the one you like best, because it's the one you fell in love with. I have a very old recording of Stokowski and the NY Philharmonic performing Stravinsky's Firebird suite that is full of hiss and crackle, but I prefer it over a clean-sounding recording of Bernstein and the Israel Philharmonic performing the same piece. Bernstein's performance, which is well-done, just doesn't sound urgent enough to me because I heard Stokowski's first. Perhaps what you're really concerned about is the possibility that the masses may come to prefer a version other than what you like.

    There's still a lot to be added, so go ahead and donate. Sure, they've got Stravinsky's Firebird, but not The Rite of Spring. The Rite of Spring was so radical and jarring to the ears of the "more cultured representatives of society" at its 1913 premiere in Paris that the audience began yelling so loudly no one could hear the music. Eventually the scene devolved into chairs being thrown and fires set. So go ahead, throw your chairs at this new site in disgust because it doesn't agree with your notion of how the music should sound. The music that stripped away the cultured veneer of those Parisans is worth hearing, and a public domain music site that so-ruffled the feathers of the "free-as-in-beer" and "information wants to be free" slashdot crowd is worth visiting.

  9. Complete Bach Organ Works by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.blockmrecords.org/bach/ Played by James Kibbie, and as a quote from the website: "This project is sponsored by the University of Michigan School of Music, Theatre & Dance, with generous support from Dr. Barbara Furin Sloat in honor of J. Barry Sloat, and with additional support from the Office of Vice-President for Research, the University of Michigan."

  10. Re:Completed? That's a bit of a laugh by Vintermann · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yet another poster who has not understood what Musopen does or what this Kickstarter was. Pictures at an Exhibition was not recorded as part of this project. In fact it was freely contributed to Musopen by an amateur orchestra.

    A good MIDI performance expert could do better.

    Didn't it tip you off that a lot of the music on Musopen actually are midi performances? Anyone can contribute!

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  11. No it isn't by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sound editors aren't magic, you can't take a bad performance and make it great, and you can't edit out systemic noise like wow and flutter from a tape. You also can't edit out a sound from under another sound, without major audible artifacts.

    What a big label would do is go and use better quality equipment to record the track. It isn't even that expensive these days. Then they would record multiple takes as necessary and edit those together.

    Hell forget big labels, this is what a university recording studio would do. It is not too much to ask that if the idea is to get "open" replacements to professional music that a professional job of it is done.

    1. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What a big label would do is go and use better quality equipment to record the track. It isn't even that expensive these days. Then they would record multiple takes as necessary and edit those together.

      You are correct, I've actually played in professional orchestra's and solo piano performances that had been professionally recorded. Usually you play the song through a few times normally then someone, usually a conductor picks a few spots where mistakes were made. You then start the song a few measures before the mistake to let allow the acoustics and such play out as they recorded it again. Then some poor editor spends hours and hours piecing it back together the good parts and adjusting levels. Neither experience is very fun, after awhile all parties get sick of the song but the quality is there.

      That all said there's something special and beautiful about mistakes and imperfections, its what makes a live concert better than listening to the recording and professional recordings of them kind of squeeze some of that magic out for the sake of perfection.

  12. Re:Completed? That's a bit of a laugh by Vintermann · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'd like to add that the Musopen Symphony Orchestra is, in essence, the Czech National Sympony Orchestra. They're a very solid commercial symphony orchestra (i.e, mostly playing for films and commissioned concerts, as opposed to being attached to an institution or subscription program).

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  13. Thanks from Musopen by aarondunn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To everyone posting here, thank you all for the donations and thoughts. It was a long and challenging project but I am very proud of the end result. I'm considering a second project, if anyone is interested in hearing about it in the next couple of weeks, please make sure to follow us on Twitter/FB/our blog etc: https://twitter.com/ajdunn83 or /musopen or our blog at blog.musopen.org Thanks again, Aaron Dunn Musopen.org