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Ex-Lulzsec-Head Sabu Rewarded Six-Month Sentencing Delay
hypnosec writes "Ex-Lulzsec-head and hacker Hector Xavier Monsegur a.k.a. Sabu has managed to get his court case delayed by six months – thanks to his cooperation with the US Federal authorities in getting other Lulzsec members behind bars. This news came to light after a court document appeared online, which was filed by the US Government as a request to the US district Attorney. The US Gov put forward an adjournment request "in light of the defendant's ongoing cooperation with the Government." The request has been accepted and now the case has been adjourned till 22 February, 2013."
Just keep doing like you do. Us older nerds watched this TV show you might have read on your historical wiki pages: Star Trek. Not to be confused with the empty visceral current Hollywood movie incarnation.
In the TV show, they had this alien race called the Borg:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)
It was a notable work of fiction because of their social organization. Their ships were perfect cubes. You could beam onto them with a landing party, and they wouldn't care. You could kill, abduct, or otherwise maim a Borg crew member, they wouldn't care. None of these actions represented a threat. They are basically the fictional representation of the social order of siafu:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorylus
Or, of course, any social insect.
And of course:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)
"We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us."
Do not change. Do not be discouraged. Do not give in. Adhere more exactingly to the social organization trait of social insects and the Borg.
Resistance is futile.
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Does he even have an attorney?
he has to face the same justice he would have had 6 months ago, before he ratted on all his mates?
unless he is going to get a better deal, I'd just prefer to get it done and over with, 6 month delay to me sounds like he's delaying the inevitable, if thats the case, why bother, just goto jail......
however, if the sentence was lighter because of his help, then yeah, I'd see some benefit in that, otherwise....no way!
Yes but Bubba is stuck in cell block D.
No honor among script kiddies, eh?
Maybe I just do not understand what is going on here, but a delay looks to me like making things _worse_, not better. (You have this hanging over your head for a longer time...) Why would anybody want that? Or is this a case of a common human fallacy, namely if it is more distant, it looks less bad?
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
but sabu is a hacker, so wouldn't HE be the one doing the sexual harrasment?
These aren't honourable revolutionaries who would sooner fall on their own sword. These are antisocial children who play straight into the authorities' hands by allowing the latter to depict all dissent as the work of mere mindless vandals.
Ha ha! Rape is hilarious! Ha ha!
Nice job normalising a horrific crime, fuckhead. You are part of the reason the American penal system is so terrible. Everyone accepts it as OK.
The American people are the reason the penal system is so terrible. They want it that way. I've seen American prisons on the TV and it scares the fuck out of me. I'd not commit a crime in the US. Fear the man.
Mind you, If I copy a file here, the UK will have me extradited for a crime that isn't even a crime in my own land.
Even when it is an infringement of copyright, they've not made a film or game I'd want to bother to download in years. I hope I'm safe not committing "cyber crime"; but I can't be sure. I'd better sign up to Amnesty International now I guess.
Who writes this stuff!? Who needs a run-on adjective when you can say with clarity: "Former head of Lulzsec" ?
I've argued with one person who was outraged that a prison was paying for air-conditioning. In Texas. You're right: The need for prisons gives people a chance to express their sadistic desire for collective vengence, but dress it up with talk of 'justice' and 'deterrence' to make themselves seem noble.
Only delaying his cock meat sandwich.
More evidence of this ; one of our prominent politicians, Michael Portillo, did a BBC documentary where he researched for the perfect method of execution - something quick and humane. While I don't agree with the death penalty, if you have to have it, you may as well be humane about it.
The current methods used by America seem barbaric - burning someone to death with electricity, or filling their veins with painful toxic chemicals.
He came to the conclusion that the method used by slaughterhouses for killing pigs, nitrogen asphyxiation, was cheap, quick, and humane. He even went so far as to experience the effects of asphyxiation via some Air Force test chambers.
All the Americans (currently involved in the Death Row process) that he spoke to were vehemently opposed to it, on the grounds that they couldn't accept an execution method that invokes mild euphoria in the subject before they expire.
Despite the Constitution forbidding "cruel and unusual" punishments, they see nothing wrong with strapping someone into something that wouldn't be out of place in a severe BDSM fetish and then frying them to death with electricity. Or gassing them with cyanide, a deeply unpleasant experience. Given the opportunity to remove all that nastiness from the proceedings, they resist - revealing that their mentality is not about justice, but about revenge.
" Sabu has managed to get his court case delayed by six months – thanks to his cooperation with the US Federal authorities in getting other Lulzsec members behind bars. "
your friends will rat you out in a heartbeat if it give them any advantage. Don't think for a second that any friend of your is loyal to you. Anyone can be bought, some can be bought for a lot less than others.
Moral of the story? Trust NO ONE if you are doing nefarious things.
Oh and deny everything to your grave. Deny, Deny, Deny...
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Does not forgive. Does not forget. And tells the cops everything he knows just please don't make him cry again.
Yes the program was extremely good /Insightful. I can't stand Portillo; but you could tell he'd given this a lot of thought over the years.
I'm against the capital punishment and against prisoners being kept in torturous prison for years (in principle). I'm not perfect, I would like to see Anders Breivik kicked to near death and sent to a prison in Saudi Arabia. I'll get 21 years in a really nice Norwegian prison. For the people that killed 1year old Peter Connelly (Baby P) well send them to North Korea and be creative. Rationality calls for more strength with cases like this.
Here is the programme - How to kill a human being - BBC Horizon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87fdhBIbehk
They want it that way. I've seen American prisons on the TV and it scares the fuck out of me. I'd not commit a crime in the US. Fear the man.
Mind you, If I copy a file here, the UK
Ironic, since every depiction of UK prisons I've seen in movies and TV make them look a lot worse than any American prison I've ever seen. They look like dungeons, (compared to much cleaner and generally newer U.S. facilities). Despite fictional exaggeration, the only problems with American prisons are:
a) so many people are in them (making some of them crowded).
b) racial problems
What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
Hey, if the victim doesn't get pregnant, it's rape. Just ask Akin.
These people must be completely ignorant to the issue of recidivism. How do you expect someone to rehabilitate and become a functioning member of society when you punish them by treating them like an animal? Not to mention, unless you're in a very low-security prison, you won't be learning anything productive or developing useful job skills. Once these prisoners get out, how are they expected to care for themselves in a society that will forever hate them? I, as an American, also have a problem with how much we spend on our prison system, but not because we're giving prisoners basic life support, but because of how ridiculously large our prison system has become.
Apparently wizard is not a legitimate career path, so I chose programmer instead.
The most commonly used agent in the gas chamber is hydrogen cyanide. Did you do any amount of research?
I guess many of the prisons here were built so long ago by the Victorians they would seem like dungeons. We used to send people to Australia so they could live in paradise and eat great food.
To me the big deal to do with rape has nothing to do with sex, but as you said "forcing someone to do something". But that something is akin to losing something that you can never get back (innocence, security, etc.) ...not the kind of innocence like "Santa Claus isn't real?", but more like, "I can't be alone with someone physically stronger than me anymore because I've fully realized there's a possibility they may choose to roto-root my butthole with their penis."
Then on top of that emotional suck salad, there's still plenty of physically violent croutons on top. (and yes, I stole a line from Archer to explain my views on rape) Aside from just the basic beatdown that can happen, other side effects can go as far as infertility or death.
I honestly put rape higher on the list of horrible crimes than murder (as I do with many forms of dehabilitating torture), because at least the murder victim doesn't have to live with the consequences after the fact.
Yeah - because the same amount of physical and psychological harm would result from, say, forcing someone to take out the trash. Let's just go through a few things:
First off, rape involves the possibility of disease transmission from the rapist to the victim. (Or vice-versa, for that matter, but that's both generally less likely, and the rapist is choosing to take that risk, where the victim gets no choice.) Second, male-on-male rape involves a forced intrusion of a body part, which can result in physical damage (tearing, etc.). This can result in incontinence, pain, bleeding, etc., and presents the possibility of infection. Of course, male-on-female rape presents the risk of pregnancy, which has huge potential consequences to the woman.
Adding in to that, the 'sex is different' thing isn't just religious - it's found across cultures, in every culture known. People want to be able to choose who their sex partners are, and have much, much stronger reactions to forced sex than to other things being forced on them. From an evolutionary standpoint, it makes sense, given the possibilities of disease transmission, and of pregnancy when a woman is raped.
In Western culture, there's also a stigma associated with being the victim of male-on-male rape, with many people seeming to believe that if you're a male who's been raped, you must be gay, or be less of a man. In a prison, once it's known that someone's been raped once, it becomes much more likely that they'll be raped again, due to a combination of the stigma and other inmates believing that they must be easy marks, since someone else succeeded. Because of this, victims are very likely to fight back on at least their initial rapes, which adds a component of assault, with the corresponding extra damage to the victim.
The closest equivalent in 'forcing people to do things' would be something like forcing them to eat something that disgusts them -- and you'll find that people consider that to be very bad as well.
Yeah - because all the victims of male-on-male rape *must* be gay. So, are you a troll, or just an asshat?
Why don't you smile when you say that, motherfucker? "anonymous coward" is appropriate here.
One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / the next it's rolling over me / I can get back on / I can get back on
Yes, the procecure for lethal injection includes three substances. A barbituate, to put one to sleep. Then a paralytic so you don't convulse. And finally potassium chloride to stop the heart.
The problem is that not everyone responds to barbituates in the same way. It's entirely possible for a subject to wake from the barbituate while paralyzed by the paralytic and be conscious when the potassium chloride is injected.
If you know anything about how neuronal action potentials are generated, I'm sure you can imagine that destroying the potassium gradients every neuron uses to fire would be one of the most painful things you could do. This shouldn't happen to even one subject of lethal injection, no matter how evil he is. It's completely avoidable.
The funny part is, if we just gave them 10 times the dose of barbiturate, they would just fall asleep, stop breathing, and die peacefully. But somehow that's not acceptable to our justice system.
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
No, pain for pain is not justice. Pain is useful for punishment, when you expect fear of pain to deter future bad behavior. Since there will be no future behavior at all after lethal injection, any pain during the procedure is simply gratuitous.
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
Certainly it is true that if you tell someone something, they can always tell someone else, so the safest way for something not to get out is to keep completely quiet about it. On the other hand...
Plenty of small groups of people have done a lot of stuff without any problems, and with everyone keeping quiet about it. This goes from hackers to cells of the Irish Republican Army. There are also many instances of one person getting caught, having extreme pressure, even torture, applied to them and them keeping their mouths shut. The leader of the French resistance, Jean Moulin, died while the Nazis were trying to torture him for information. Certainly there are instances of rats and turncoats, but you generalize it to "your friends will rat you out in a heartbeat if it give them any advantage. Don't think for a second that any friend of your is loyal to you. Anyone can be bought, some can be bought for a lot less than others." This ignores all those who over the centuries have faced life imprisonment, torture, death and have kept silent. Ethel Rosenberg was promised eventual freedom if she testified against her husband - instead she chose to stay silent and went to the electric chair, leaving her children orphans.
From hacking groups, to insurgents fighting a foreign invader, similar mistakes have been made over time. One is trusting too many people. Sabu busted five other people. That means there was a group of minimally six people working together. History shows this is far too large a group to be working together on something like this. In a cell network, four is usually the largest number of people working together. If the network is paranoid about turncoats and infiltration, the cell size is often three people. Having to only worry about two other people is much more comforting about having to worry about five other people. Plus you can be more sure they are reliable type people, you have a closer relationship that would make people second-guess turning etc.
There are other factors as well. These people let Sabu know enough about them to get them arrested, but they (AFAIK) never met him. It's a lot easier to turn against faceless people behind keyboards then friends you have met and spend time with. Then there's the question of what they're doing. It's a lot easier for someone to turn against people for say randomly crashing web sites (not saying they did this) then comrades fighting an invasion of your country by the Germans, or English, or whoever. People are more willing to sacrifice when a higher cause is involved, randomly crash web sites is not a higher cause. Then finally, there is how much the government is interested in finding people to turn, and how much pressure they are going to bear on people. It's easier to keep quiet and do a year in jail than twenty years in jail. Also Sabu's children or foster children are brought up - it is obviously easier to do time for someone without kids, then someone who will be worrying about supporting kids. Of course, this is something Sabu should have thought of before he began committing crimes, but a dumbass criminal turned rat like him obviously doesn't do much thinking.
It is true when you are working with other people, even reliable seeming people, you can never be entirely sure how they will react under pressure. But to say "anyone can be bought", "will rat you out in a heartbeat" etc. is just not true, there are plenty of counter-examples of this, including hackers in the US.
Fans are cheaper and waste less electricity.
What to do about Jeremy Hammond? He's already gotten one mercy-break for his malicious hacking. Now he's looking at big-time punishment.
He doesn't seem like a bad kid, but if the judge gives him a break, Hammond is just going to go right back to malicious hacking. And you can't believe anything Hammond says because he lied to the judge the last time around.
This is sad, but that fool Hammond did it to himself.
No, just their friends and family do. I can tell you from firsthand experience that's no joyride either.