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Ex-Lulzsec-Head Sabu Rewarded Six-Month Sentencing Delay

hypnosec writes "Ex-Lulzsec-head and hacker Hector Xavier Monsegur a.k.a. Sabu has managed to get his court case delayed by six months – thanks to his cooperation with the US Federal authorities in getting other Lulzsec members behind bars. This news came to light after a court document appeared online, which was filed by the US Government as a request to the US district Attorney. The US Gov put forward an adjournment request "in light of the defendant's ongoing cooperation with the Government." The request has been accepted and now the case has been adjourned till 22 February, 2013."

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  1. Dear Anonymous, etc.: by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just keep doing like you do. Us older nerds watched this TV show you might have read on your historical wiki pages: Star Trek. Not to be confused with the empty visceral current Hollywood movie incarnation.

    In the TV show, they had this alien race called the Borg:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)

    It was a notable work of fiction because of their social organization. Their ships were perfect cubes. You could beam onto them with a landing party, and they wouldn't care. You could kill, abduct, or otherwise maim a Borg crew member, they wouldn't care. None of these actions represented a threat. They are basically the fictional representation of the social order of siafu:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorylus

    Or, of course, any social insect.

    And of course:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)

    "We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us."

    Do not change. Do not be discouraged. Do not give in. Adhere more exactingly to the social organization trait of social insects and the Borg.

    Resistance is futile.

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    1. Re:Dear Anonymous, etc.: by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Informative

      and mosquitoes still live, and cockroaches still live, and termites still live. and ye kill them by the thousands. and they still suck your blood, eat your garbage, chew your house

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    2. Re:Dear Anonymous, etc.: by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 5, Informative

      You could kill, abduct, or otherwise maim a Borg crew member, they wouldn't care.

      That's not completely correct. The Borg care if you engage against them, because then you've become a threat. As long as you're not a threat or "interesting" target, they don't care. While they don't value the life of individual drones, they care very well if you start killing them.

    3. Re:Dear Anonymous, etc.: by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

      Correct. True of social insects too. Army ants or killer bees will ignore you unless you get too close or hurt one of them. The resulting alarm pheromones will lead the colony to attack en masse.

      My whole point was that the Sabu situation shouldn't discourage them or take up too much of their concern. Shrug it off and move on. Like a wasp colony or a Borg collective. The perfect expression of the social organization of Anonymous.

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    4. Re:Dear Anonymous, etc.: by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      You've got it all wrong. The Borg react if it's dramatically expedient for them to do so.

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  2. and then in 6 months?? by chris.alex.thomas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    he has to face the same justice he would have had 6 months ago, before he ratted on all his mates?

    unless he is going to get a better deal, I'd just prefer to get it done and over with, 6 month delay to me sounds like he's delaying the inevitable, if thats the case, why bother, just goto jail......

    however, if the sentence was lighter because of his help, then yeah, I'd see some benefit in that, otherwise....no way!

    1. Re:and then in 6 months?? by djsmiley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they wanted to take him down, he'd disappear.

      6 months doing _what_ is the question you need to ask. He already knows the kind of social influence he needs to rise to the "top" of headless organizations such as anon. And anon has the lovely thing that no one needs to ask who you are. Anyone asking would be viewed with suspicion....

      Cut off one head and many shall spawn in its place? What happens when that head is under the control of the feds I wonder?

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    2. Re:and then in 6 months?? by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 4, Funny

      Following in your line...

      I bet the six months things is just an excuse for the REAL plan. Currently, a "Man in black" is having surgery to get his face changed to that of Monsegur. The six months are needed for healing/removing the scars, and for tattooing the prison plans in his penis.

      After the six months, and just after the entry in jail, that agent will protagonize an staged prison break with several "princes of the contraculture" that are currently in jail. Once free, he will use his new connections to reach to the alien leadership that is the real mastermind of all these movements (from Anonymous to Al-Qaeda, without forgetting PETA) and he will call in the black helicopters before the alien spaceships arrive.

      Is that complicated enough for you, dear?

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    3. Re:and then in 6 months?? by sumdumass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Around election time is one of the worst times to go on trial or get arrested. Too many "see, I'm tough on crime" politicians exist. Waiting 6 months is likely going to net him more favorable terms and perhaps a more "fair" trial as behind the scenes activity will be less.

      Even the deals will be better because politicians won't need to pressure judges to be strict so they can gain favor with the voters.

    4. Re:and then in 6 months?? by reub2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      124 years is the maximum amount of time for the charges that he's plead guilty to. I assume the plea bargain he agreed to stipulates the exact prison sentence that he is going to receive.

      Also 124 years jail time just for hacking? Who are the hacks that wrote these laws that allow a person to be put away for the rest of their lives just for hacking?

    5. Re:and then in 6 months?? by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually Hector Xavier Monsegur got involved in worse crimes than that. Hector as an adult stupid enough searched for and groomed minors to commit crimes on the internet on Hector's behalf, crimes that Hector researched, planned, provided the tools and led. The sickest part of that is under the control and direction of the FBI, he continued to score the internet for minors, to entice to criminal activity, so that a bunch of Fucking Bloody Idiots could indulge in some hair brained self promotion.

      Right wing control freaks all wrapped up in a illusionary scheme to pursue an organisation they had branded as a yet another ohhh ahhh terrorist organisation (the defining rule being they are a group not driven by greed and are opposed to government corruption) and one they felt could be used to stimulate laws to clamp down on free speech activities on the internet.

      The ones who really should be indicted are the agents in charged who led the continued criminal activities of Lulz sec and who actively incited minors to commit crimes on the internet, so those minors could be prosecuted for crimes, controlled and led by the FBI.

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    6. Re:and then in 6 months?? by darkmeridian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The six months is for prosecuting the other guys that he rolled on. His deal is contingent on him cooperating fully with the authorities, which means actually taking the stand against them. I'm betting that the six month delay is to let him take the stand against the other guys, and to let the prosecutors rate his performance, before they figure out this guy's punishment.

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  3. "ongoing cooperation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No honor among script kiddies, eh?

    1. Re:"ongoing cooperation" by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      It's easy for someone to feel tough on the internet. Even a script kiddie - and given Lulzsec's record, they must have had at least a couple of people of real skill to pull it off - becomes powerful there. They can take down small websites on a whim, hack emails with a little effort, impersonate, cause chaos, and all seemingly untraceable. They may read of arrests, but never expect it to happen to them. They don't act tough: They really do feel like masters of their domain. And they are. You can't beat the hackers on the internet, even the script kiddies. You can only slow them down.

      Then one day the police come a-knocking. The hacker is still master of the internet, but the arena has changed: All his formidable skills aren't going to save him now: The police know they can't beat him at his game, so they changed the game. And for the first time, the hacker feels scared he could lose. That's when the tough guy breaks down, and he'll sell out anyone for even a slim hope of making it all go away.

  4. Why is this desirable? by gweihir · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe I just do not understand what is going on here, but a delay looks to me like making things _worse_, not better. (You have this hanging over your head for a longer time...) Why would anybody want that? Or is this a case of a common human fallacy, namely if it is more distant, it looks less bad?

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    1. Re:Why is this desirable? by Xest · · Score: 2

      Because he's probably been told the longer he cooperates, the more lenient sentence he'll get.

      Whether that ends up being true in the end remains to be seen, they may just fuck him anyway.

    2. Re:Why is this desirable? by James+McGuigan · · Score: 2

      A man who has spent most of his life not playing by the normal rules of the system and being paranoid about the governments of the world being out to get him suddenly finds out that the governments of the world are actually out to get him and decides to fight back by not playing by the normal rules of the system.

  5. pay attention, 1337 haxors by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 3, Informative

    These aren't honourable revolutionaries who would sooner fall on their own sword. These are antisocial children who play straight into the authorities' hands by allowing the latter to depict all dissent as the work of mere mindless vandals.

    1. Re:pay attention, 1337 haxors by Hatta · · Score: 2

      And yet they still have more character than the leaders of this country. This guy organized a conspiracy to DDOS some sites, the digital equivalent of a sit-in, and he's facing over 100 years in jail.

      Barack Obama on the other hand, by failing to prosecute anyone for the massive fraud that crashed our economy, can at best be described as being an accessory after the fact to that fraud. He'd rather protect billionaires who stole trillions than do his job and enforce the law.

      So is Sabu a nice guy? No, but he's no where near as crooked as the people running this country.

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  6. Re:Big Bubba in cell block D has no jurisdiction. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    I've argued with one person who was outraged that a prison was paying for air-conditioning. In Texas. You're right: The need for prisons gives people a chance to express their sadistic desire for collective vengence, but dress it up with talk of 'justice' and 'deterrence' to make themselves seem noble.

  7. Re:Big Bubba in cell block D has no jurisdiction. by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More evidence of this ; one of our prominent politicians, Michael Portillo, did a BBC documentary where he researched for the perfect method of execution - something quick and humane. While I don't agree with the death penalty, if you have to have it, you may as well be humane about it.

    The current methods used by America seem barbaric - burning someone to death with electricity, or filling their veins with painful toxic chemicals.

    He came to the conclusion that the method used by slaughterhouses for killing pigs, nitrogen asphyxiation, was cheap, quick, and humane. He even went so far as to experience the effects of asphyxiation via some Air Force test chambers.

    All the Americans (currently involved in the Death Row process) that he spoke to were vehemently opposed to it, on the grounds that they couldn't accept an execution method that invokes mild euphoria in the subject before they expire.

    Despite the Constitution forbidding "cruel and unusual" punishments, they see nothing wrong with strapping someone into something that wouldn't be out of place in a severe BDSM fetish and then frying them to death with electricity. Or gassing them with cyanide, a deeply unpleasant experience. Given the opportunity to remove all that nastiness from the proceedings, they resist - revealing that their mentality is not about justice, but about revenge.

  8. Remember Kids.... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    " Sabu has managed to get his court case delayed by six months – thanks to his cooperation with the US Federal authorities in getting other Lulzsec members behind bars. "

    your friends will rat you out in a heartbeat if it give them any advantage. Don't think for a second that any friend of your is loyal to you. Anyone can be bought, some can be bought for a lot less than others.

    Moral of the story? Trust NO ONE if you are doing nefarious things.

    Oh and deny everything to your grave. Deny, Deny, Deny...

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  9. Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does not forgive. Does not forget. And tells the cops everything he knows just please don't make him cry again.

  10. Re:Big Bubba in cell block D has no jurisdiction. by HaZardman27 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These people must be completely ignorant to the issue of recidivism. How do you expect someone to rehabilitate and become a functioning member of society when you punish them by treating them like an animal? Not to mention, unless you're in a very low-security prison, you won't be learning anything productive or developing useful job skills. Once these prisoners get out, how are they expected to care for themselves in a society that will forever hate them? I, as an American, also have a problem with how much we spend on our prison system, but not because we're giving prisoners basic life support, but because of how ridiculously large our prison system has become.

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  11. Re:Big Bubba in cell block D has no jurisdiction. by Hatta · · Score: 2

    No, pain for pain is not justice. Pain is useful for punishment, when you expect fear of pain to deter future bad behavior. Since there will be no future behavior at all after lethal injection, any pain during the procedure is simply gratuitous.

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