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Republican Platform To Include Internet Freedom Plank

First time accepted submitter jay.madison writes "The new Republican Party platform includes language which promises action to promote freedom on the Internet. The move is being driven by Rand Paul's libertarian wing of the party. The text, which is still in draft form, says Republicans will work to guarantee that 'individuals retain the right to control the use of their data by third parties,' and that 'personal data receives full constitutional protection from government overreach.' Republicans would resist moves toward international governance of the Internet, and seek to 'remove regulatory barriers that protect outdated technologies and business plans from innovation and competition, while preventing legacy regulation from interfering with new technologies such as mobile delivery of voice and video data as they become crucial components of the Internet ecosystem.' The platform is due to be adopted at the Republican National Convention next week."

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  1. Look at ninety percent of the effort towards gov't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They'll spend most of the language attacking the evils of government data collection and storage, to the point where they only mention private actors off-hand.

    They might even just say the contractors aren't responsible for government abuses of it simply because they've been paid.

    Oh wait, they're already seeking to remove regulatory barriers. You know, the ones that keep companies from screwing their customers.

    I'm sure they're really looking out for our freedom.

  2. Not so fast by bl968 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They also claim they are going to make the Internet Family Friendly, ban internet gambling, require ISP's to monitor their users for sexual deviancy, and require laws against pornography and obscenity to be vigorously enforced. You can't have it both ways but that is what this article is claiming.

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    1. Re:Not so fast by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seems legit to me. After all it wasn't the Republicans who missed the 9/11 threat, passed the Patriot Act, created the Dept of Homeland Security, created an enormous deficit, greatly increased the size of Government and sleepwalked the economy into the greatest clusterfuck since the 1930s...that was obviously the Democrats.

      Not.

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    2. Re:Not so fast by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They also claim they are going to make the Internet Family Friendly,

      Maybe somewhat off topic but I saw a humorous story on CNN this morning. They did a piece on the strip clubs in Tampa getting ready for the Republican convention this coming week - including one club owner who said he spent $1.5 million on upgrades. Apparently strip clubs do well at these events, and CNN quoted some informal poll that suggested Republicans spent 3 times as much on "Adult" entertainment than Democrats at the last two national conventions of each party.
       
      Other fun facts include a club bringing in a Sarah Palin look-a-like stripper and comments from another stripper who hoped to be making $1000/hr.

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    3. Re:Not so fast by inthealpine · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bill Clinton passed on Bin Laden after the first trade center attacks.(after 4 years you wont blame Obama, but less than a year for Bush and blame blame blame).
      Obama re-signed the Patriot Act and the NDAA.
      Obama has deficit spent at twice the rate of GWB.
      The 2008 economic decline was from......the housing bust. Government mandating home loans be provided to people who couldn't pay them back.


      There is a lot of blame for both parties, but only one place where both those parties cause most of the trouble. =====>DC

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    4. Re:Not so fast by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Bill Clinton passed on Bin Laden after the first trade center attacks."

      No he didn't. In 1996 Clinton authorized the use of a Cruise missile aimed at Bin Laden's satellite phone signal. Clinton was then lambasted for wasting money by the Republican Congress, especially Trent Lott (remember him?). And it was GWB just a year after 9/11 who said that he didn't know where bin Laden was and wasn't interested. It was Obama who finished the job.

      "Obama re-signed the Patriot Act and the NDAA" - that doesn't absolve the Republicans any.

      "Obama has deficit spent at twice the rate of GWB" - that doesn't absolve the Republicans any either.

      "The 2008 economic decline was from......the housing bust." - and the housing bust was caused by the Housing Boom caused by the securitization of mortgages on GWB's watch while the Glass-Siegel act was gutted into uselessness

      There is a lot of blame for both parties, but to absolve the Republicans and just blame the Democrats is just pathetic. And twisting history to fit your political beliefs is beneath contempt.

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    5. Re:Not so fast by tmosley · · Score: 5, Funny

      Girls, girls, you're both stupid and ugly.

    6. Re:Not so fast by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Government mandating home loans be provided to people who couldn't pay them back.

      I hate those poor people who busted into Manhattan boardrooms, put guns to the heads of financial services CEOs and demanded they engage in real estate speculation and sell investment products that hid and lied about risks. It really is all their fault.

  3. Internet Freedom by theedgeofoblivious · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can't have internet freedom without net neutrality.

    You can't have internet freedom with 1-2 companies having a monopoly on internet access.

    You can't create freedom by restricting the power of only some of those who would deny you freedom.

    1. Re:Internet Freedom by heypete · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, you can have freedom without net neutrality. We've had net freedom since forever, and no-one started talking about net neutrality until a couple of years ago.

      Because net neutrality was the de facto standard for the internet up until a few years ago when certain providers thought they could make more money by penalizing their competitors (e.g. Comcast imposing bandwidth caps, but not counting their own streaming video service [ala Netflix] towards that cap).

  4. Re:as long as you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And "remove regulatory barriers" means ending any concept of 'net neutrality. Them republicans don't cotton to people telling their corporations what to do. Can't stand in the way of excessive corporate profits, oh no.

  5. Internet Freedom is not what you think by headhot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Republican internet freedom is freedom for large corporations to do what ever they want, with the citizens getting the shaft. You can forget net neutrality out of them.

    1. Re:Internet Freedom is not what you think by mozumder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Freedom" these days means corporate control. The more "freedom" people have, the more corporations have power. Power has to go somewhere, so if power is taken away from government, it goes to the next powerful entity - corporations. The last place power goes to is to individuals. The only power individuals have is their ability to collectively gather and form a government, which in effect limits their own individual power.

      An individual limiting their own power is a good thing.

      "Freedom" at this point is a bad word. Adults already know that no one has "freedom". No one has ever had "freedom", from the times when kings existed to any democracy. They simply replaced one ruler (a king) with another (big govt), especially with millions of laws in place, each one designed to take away one less right.

      And even when kings existed, they never had full power as well. Kings have always had to rely on public support to maintain their power, especially during the rise of the merchant middle class in the 1100's.

      Let's remember that every libertarian "freedom" fighter with a 3rd grade educations is actually saying "I want to give corporations more power over competing smaller entities, including individuals."

      This is why one must NEVER be a libertarian, and one must always believe in forceful social controls.

      And that we must always fight against "freedom" that the Republican party wants, and their insane ego that causes them to feel they should have "freedom."

      Let's transfer power away from individuals, and give them more to government. Redistribute power. It's a good thing.

  6. Translation by Hardhead_7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    remove regulatory barriers that protect outdated technologies and business plans from innovation and competition

    "If you elect us, we will get rid of net neutrality so fast it'll make your head spin."

  7. Re:Look at ninety percent of the effort towards go by bhagwad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This sounds suspiciously like an attempt to get rid of net neutrality laws. "Remove government regulation" indeed!

  8. Decoding the code speak by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No net neutrality is what this means:
    " 'remove regulatory barriers that protect outdated technologies and business plans from innovation and competition, while preventing legacy regulation from interfering with new technologies such as mobile delivery of voice and video data as they become crucial components of the Internet ecosystem.' "

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    1. Re:Decoding the code speak by WaywardGeek · · Score: 5, Interesting

      By "removing regulatory barriers", they mean Verizon can stop suing the FCC because the GOP plans to give Verizon what they want: the right to censor the internet in any way they choose, which Verizon considers a matter of corporate free speech.

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  9. Re:Look at ninety percent of the effort towards go by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My thoughts exactly. I would be more intersted in a plank that promised net neutrality rather than protecting users data.

    The remainder of the Repbulican plank reads like something from the 1800's.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/opinion/what-the-gop-platform-represents.html

    Vaguely promising to protect your personal data, while including language that puts the police state in your bedroom isn't exactly what I would call a fair trade.

  10. What's so difficult? by microbox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't believe network neutrality is a Good Thing, because I recognize that most people's definition amounts to price fixing of bandwidth

    You /know/ that net neutrality has nothing to do with bandwidth. Carriers cannot discriminate on content, source and destination. What is so difficult to explain. There's nothing about bandwidth in there.

    And the public has a moral right to this, since the government paid for most of the infrastructure anyway, in huge corporate giveaways.

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  11. Re:Look at ninety percent of the effort towards go by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But government is involved in marriage. It has been since the days when common law ruled. Marriage affects taxation, shared finances, inheritence, child custody, immigration, all manner of things. All of which require the government recognise marriages in some way, which in turn unavoidably means the government must have some standard for what constitutes a legal marriage and what does not.

  12. this is a fantasy land by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You are assuming a perfect market of a wide availability of choices of middle size playing fairly. The reality is an oligopoly that suppresses competition from small players and squeezes customers for all they are worth. You can't use the fundamentals of capitalism to defend the practices of an oligopoly, please wake up.

    And no, the government is not to blame for this, this is the natural state of affairs of an unregulated market. Yes, the government is corrupted to serve the oligopoly's interests, but to say the answer to that is to remove the government is to reward the disease for making the patient sick, removing all barriers to complete abuse of the customer.

    Why do so many fools cling to the myth of the clean unregulated market? An unregulated market naturally gravitates to an oligopoly that colludes and

    1. Squeezes smaller players
    2. Abuses the customer
    3. Corrupts the government

    That is the natural state of the market. Wake up! The only effective remedy is a strong government with effective regulation. Cure your government of its corporate infection, its the only thing on your side. Really!

    So many blind propagandized putzes.

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    1. Re:this is a fantasy land by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are assuming a perfect market of a wide availability of choices of middle size playing fairly. The reality is an oligopoly that suppresses competition from small players and squeezes customers for all they are worth. You can't use the fundamentals of capitalism to defend the practices of an oligopoly, please wake up.

      Sure, you can.

      And no, the government is not to blame for this, this is the natural state of affairs of an unregulated market.

      Sure it is. It's worth remembering here that government creates the regulations that these businesses operate under and which inhibit entry by new businesses.

      Why do so many fools cling to the myth of the clean unregulated market? An unregulated market naturally gravitates to an oligopoly that colludes and

      Why do so many fools cling to the myth of regulation fixing things? Here, I gave an example of a heavily regulated industry, the banking industry that just so happens to have all the characteristics which you allege come from "unregulated markets" such as collusion, squeezing of smaller players, oligopolies.

      Clearly, if the cure isn't working,then we need more of it.

  13. Re:Look at ninety percent of the effort towards go by khallow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Laws can't make legal actions retroactively illegal. They can make illegal actions retroactively legal. Classic example are the numerous immigration amnesties passed over the years.

    Now, you might be right about the wrongness of making illegal actions retroactively legal, but that's not something built into the US system. You would need an amendment for that.

  14. Re:Look at ninety percent of the effort towards go by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is isnt violating religious freedom to force employers to pay for contraceptives any more than it violates religious freedoms to ban human sacrifice.

    Yes, it is. One bans an action that infringes on others basic rights. The other forces an individual to do something for another which is not related to any constitutional rights.

    Of course, you wouldn't want people to not be able to have as much consequence-less sex as they want, they might actually get interested in politics or something if that happened (see: Brave New World .)

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  15. Re:Look at ninety percent of the effort towards go by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And as soon as total market transparency as well as instant access to information (AND the ability to understand it flawlessly) is a reality, I will instantly agree with you.

    The problem is that the information situation is highly asymmetric and putting the customer at a severe disadvantage. Take your average contract with a bank. That contract put under your nose has most certainly been drafted and approved by a lawyer that specializes in finance laws and it is certainly worded in the way that is most favorable for the bank. You, as the average bank customer, are neither a lawyer nor a finance specialist. You might not understand every word in the contract and every abbreviation used, despite them being completely usual and well known in the finance world. For reference, take IT and its various terms.

    Ask the banker what they mean? Oh sure, and they'll explain it to you in the most colorful words followed by "oh, but that never happens" or "that's just a legalese phrase without any real meaning". Good luck trying to prove you've been tricked.

    Not signing a contract you don't understand you say? In this time and age, be happy if there's a bank that will lend you money altogether. People pretty much HAVE to sign whatever is shoved under their nose.

    And for these asymmetries, the government has to step in to protect the consumer. One reason for its existence is actually to allow people to play on a level playing field.

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  16. Re:Look at ninety percent of the effort towards go by davester666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This may work in some cases, but not really for internet access in the US.

    Both wired and wireless connections have a huge barrier to entry [both financially and regulatory]. And the incumbents know you don't have a real choice.

    You can tell, because the few places that have [or could have] real competition, they actively fight against it [by legislating against it, suing to prevent/delay it, dropping prices locally & temporarily to kill it].

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