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Man With World's Deepest Voice Can Hit Infrasonic Notes

An anonymous reader writes "The man who holds the Guinness record for the world's lowest voice can hit notes so low that only animals as big as elephants are able to hear them. American singer Tim Storms, who also has the world's widest vocal range, can reach notes as low as G-7 (0.189Hz), an incredible eight octaves below the lowest G on the piano."

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  1. World's Worst Superpowerr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "You can break glasses with your voice?"

    "No, that's at the other end of the scale."

    "But you can communication with elephants? Call them to rescue you and fight battles?"

    "No, but they can hear me."

    1. Re:World's Worst Superpowerr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      His superpower is the ability to make you shit your pants with the brown note.

      Yeah, yeah, I know... Mythbusters, bla bla bla...

    2. Re:World's Worst Superpowerr by mythosaz · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm not willing to rule out his ability to call elephants to battle.

      He's badass until proven otherwise.

  2. But can he sing? by Wrexs0ul · · Score: 3

    With all the innuendo around Barry White's voice, if this man can sing he'd be a real crowd pleaser!

    -Matt

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    1. Re:But can he sing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not sure he'd want to even try. He might end up on the business end of some elephant wood!

    2. Re:But can he sing? by c0lo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Apparently he can (use good headphones or sub-woofer - otherwise is futile).

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    3. Re:But can he sing? by mister_playboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Thanks. TFS's link had nothing more than some British woman's voice to offer.

      He's got something special going on there, but saying he can go 2 octaves below a normal bass voice is a probably pushing it, let alone 8 octaves below the end of a piano's range.

      0.187Hz? Consider it takes a 64 foot pipe and a lot of blower horsepower to produce 8Hz in an organ. There are only two such organs in the world so equipped, most big organs "settle" for 32 foot stops and 16Hz. I think his voice is plenty impressive without indulging in wild hyperbole.

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    4. Re:But can he sing? by rve · · Score: 4, Informative

      One of these days and just from curiosity, I'll try to rip the sound from the YouTube videos, pass it through a FFT and see what it'll show.

      Probably futile, due to lossy compression algorithms filtering out frequencies that statistically most people can't hear

  3. Shipping Forecast by Dripdry · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is it so wrong for a man to do the shipping report?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emh75AYxnzk

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  4. No longer vocalizations by Bovius · · Score: 3, Informative

    For reference, 0.189 Hz is roughly once cycle per five seconds. Take a finger and raise it for 2.5 seconds, then lower it for 2.5 seconds.

    This doesn't count as anything more than discrete pulses. I understand that the muscles controlling his vocal folds are performing similar activities to singing, but this is not sound anymore.

    1. Re:No longer vocalizations by OneAhead · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe they mistook his breathing for infrasonic sound?

    2. Re:No longer vocalizations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      For reference, 0.189 Hz is roughly once cycle per five seconds. Take a finger and raise it for 2.5 seconds, then lower it for 2.5 seconds.

      This doesn't count as anything more than discrete pulses. I understand that the muscles controlling his vocal folds are performing similar activities to singing, but this is not sound anymore.

      sound 1 (sound) n.
      1.
      a. Vibrations transmitted through an elastic solid or a liquid or gas, with frequencies in the approximate range of 20 to 20,000 hertz, capable of being detected by human organs of hearing.
      b. Transmitted vibrations of any frequency.
      c. The sensation stimulated in the organs of hearing by such vibrations in the air or other medium.
      d. Such sensations considered as a group.

    3. Re:No longer vocalizations by shokk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "this is not sound anymore"

      Tell that to the elephants.

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    4. Re:No longer vocalizations by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your 'sound' wouldnt travel far in air, as it would not be loud enough (does not have a good enough amplitude). His sound would.

    5. Re:No longer vocalizations by PostPhil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People claiming that they can make "a sound every 2.5 seconds" don't get it. It's is not the same as a single continuous waveform oscillating at 0.189 Hz. There is a big difference between a continuous waveform at that frequency versus some joe blow making a click at 3 kHz for 250 ms duration every 2.5 seconds. No, it is not a set of pulses.

    6. Re:No longer vocalizations by pclminion · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For reference, 0.189 Hz is roughly once cycle per five seconds. Take a finger and raise it for 2.5 seconds, then lower it for 2.5 seconds.

      I am having a hard time imagining how, physiologically, the human voice mechanism could be capable of producing a vibration at such a frequency. Frankly it sounds like bullshit to me.

    7. Re:No longer vocalizations by ClioCJS · · Score: 2

      Can you point to an accepted reference that states that sound stops at a specific frequency?

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    8. Re:No longer vocalizations by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      "Frankly it sounds like bullshit to me."

      I knew pciminion was an elephant!

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    9. Re:No longer vocalizations by Nursie · · Score: 2

      At this point were really just dealing with inaudible audio frequency radio waves so it's all rather arbitrary.

      Back to school, now, seriously.

    10. Re:No longer vocalizations by Xero · · Score: 2

      Radio waves? There is nothing electromagnetic about mechanical sound waves

    11. Re:No longer vocalizations by spazdor · · Score: 2

      If you agree that AM radio waves are "light" then I'll agree that sub-1Hz vibrations are "sound".

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    12. Re:No longer vocalizations by ClioCJS · · Score: 2

      Are AM radio waves comprised of photons?

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    13. Re:No longer vocalizations by spazdor · · Score: 2

      Well, yes and no.

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    14. Re:No longer vocalizations by mark-t · · Score: 2

      The human voice is analog, not digital. This cannot be approximated by a discrete pulse once every 5 seconds, because it is a continuous wave that peaks every 5 seconds.

      There is a *HUGE* difference.

      If you were to meaningfully digitize it, then you must still sample it at thresholds above human hearing, and it would appear as discrete pulses whose peaks would appear to form a sine wave... one which has a frequency below that which we can hear ourselves.

    15. Re:No longer vocalizations by mark-t · · Score: 4, Funny

      0 Hz?

    16. Re:No longer vocalizations by mark-t · · Score: 2

      Actually, you can approximate an infrasonic sound with pulses... you just have to do it very fast (at least twice human hearing speed), and vary the pulse's amplitude continuously up and down, repeating every 5 seconds. The result is a 0.2hz audio wave... synthesized with clicks.

    17. Re:No longer vocalizations by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 4, Informative

      At the very best he is creating harmonics which mathematically 'imply' such a fundamental.

      Actually, that would be more impressive. You would have to sing two (or more) discrete pitches, without much in the way of harmonics for either one.

      If an ear/nose/throat doctor says he has vocal cords twice as long as normal, and muscles that work differently, I'm more inclined to believe that he can produce a note that low, more than I would believe what you suggest.

      In fact, what exactly do you think the Guinness Book of World people are measuring?

      http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records-1/lowest-vocal-note-by-a-male/

      The lowest vocal note produced by a male is G -7 (0.189 Hz) and was achieved by Tim Storms (USA) at Citywalk Studios in Branson, Missouri, USA, on 30 March 2012.

      Timothy is the bass singer for the vocal group 'Pierce Arrow'. The attempt was witnessed by two college music professors and an acoustician. The frequency output of Timothy's voice was measured using Bruel & Kjaer equipment (low frequency microphone, precision sound analyser and laptop for post analysis).

      I can read it for you, but I can't understand it for you.

    18. Re:No longer vocalizations by Vreejack · · Score: 2

      If the speed of sound is 340 m/s, then the wavelength of A4 (middle A, 400 Hz) is about 0.85m, on the order of the size of the human vocal tract.

      The wavelength of a note at 0.2 Hz would be 680 m. Not to say that a human could not make such a sound--you can do it by slowly waving your hand--but it would be so poorly coupled as to be lost in the background noise. This would be like trying to broadcast AM radio with a cell phone antenna instead of a longwire or mast. To effectively pump out a sound at that frequency you would need a speaker diaphragm one hundred meters in diameter. You might get away with ten meters if you were standing inside it.

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    19. Re:No longer vocalizations by mister_playboy · · Score: 2

      I find it exceeding improbable these animals use sounds at 1.87Hz, let alone 0.187Hz.

      Wikipedia list 10Hz as the bottom range for whales. Note that is a vibration more than 50 times faster than this guy is supposedly producing.

      There is infrasound, and then there is earthquake sound...

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    20. Re:No longer vocalizations by fatphil · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're mostly right. In your lowest frequencies, it's not your vocal cords that are clicking, it's another set of membranes right next to the vocal cords. Those clicks are obviously harsher and full of harmonics, as they're generating square waves. (This gives Metallica vocals their distinctive sound, for example.)

      If you don't go quite as low, and try to keep your voice as pure as possible, and then *at the same frequency* go all Hetfield-like and back to pure again you'll hear, and feel, the difference. With a bit of practice you'll be able to precisely pick the balance between the use of two membranes at will.

      With infinitely more practice, you'll be able to get those other membranes vibrating at half the frequency of your vocal chords, at which point you'll be well on the way to mastering one of the Tuvan harmonic singing techniques.

      It's clear from some of the youtube links that have been posted that this guy is effectively just using the same kind of technique, and whilst it's very impressive for what it is, his parps are way less musical than say Paul Pena's harmonic singing, which was reaching an octive below normal ranges. (And which caused the Tuvans to nickname him "Earthquake".) If you've not seen the film /Ghengis Blues/, and anything I've mentioned sounds interesting, I highly recommend watching it. It's a very touching movie as well as a very interesting one.

      As for the "infrasonic" claims in TFA, they're mostly bullcrap. He may be able to modulate sound pressure waves at those frequencies, but so can I - by breathing normally.

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    21. Re:No longer vocalizations by Tastecicles · · Score: 2

      Hetfield's toprange (without going falsetto or non modal screaming) is upper fourth, and recently he's managed as a low note, a B1 ("All Nightmare Long") but his earlier stuff only went as low as C2 ("Bad Seed", "Enter Sandman").

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  5. Perfect match by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Between him and Mariah Carey, they should both be able to summon every animal in the vicinity.

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  6. Re:G-7 is a chord not a note by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, it's G *negative* 7. Not a G7 chord. As in a G 11 octaves below middle C.

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  7. Re:G-7 is a chord not a note by larry+bagina · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's scientific pitch notation. C4 is Middle C is (the 4th C on an 88-key piano). G-7 is 8 octaves below the lowest G (G1) on a standard piano.

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  8. Brown Note by Rui+Lopes · · Score: 4, Funny

    We're gonna shit our pants once we hear him reaching the brown note.

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  9. Re:And the rockets red glare (occult & war) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most of you are all so asleep it's time you woke up!

    Whenever anyone says "wake up" to someone who isn't literally asleep, what they really mean is "change all your opinions to match my own, and don't you ever dare contradict me or disagree with me".

    You are not an exception.

  10. Cool! by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is there an MP3 of him singing?

    Oh... uh... damn...

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  11. Re:G-7 is a chord not a note by ToThoseOfUs · · Score: 2
    No the note G -7, (that is g negative 7) Middle C is C4 the G note below middle C is G3, so this is 10 octaves below that note.

    But you are also correct that the G7 (should be G superscript 7) chord, which is the G minor 7 chord has thee notes G, Bb, D, F

  12. 0.189Hz is (surprisingly) not an typo by Broofa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I actually thought the claimed frequency was a typo in the article. But in the interview, Mr. Storm says he can sing 8 octaves below the lowest note on a piano. If you work backwords and double 0.189Hz eight times (for each octave), you get 48Hz, making his lowest [claimed] note 8 octaves below the lowest G on a piano.

    As for whether this qualifies as singing, I would argue that to be considered real singing he should be using the same vocal cords and musculature required to produce human-audible sounds. I.e. he should be able to produce a continuous sound that starts at a normal note and drops down to the claimed note, without any fundamental change in the way in which he's producing the sound. My $.02.

    1. Re:0.189Hz is (surprisingly) not an typo by azalin · · Score: 2

      As he holds the Guinness world record I would say, yes it has been measured.

  13. Re:I can do that too. by Falconhell · · Score: 2

    Yeh given that every reduction of 1 octave requires double the power to have the same volume, it couldnt be that loud.

  14. Re:G-7 is a chord not a note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    G7 is not Gmin7, G7 is the dominant seventh, which is the major chord with the 7th added. G B D F

  15. Re:G-7 is a chord not a note by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 4, Informative

    Beyond being schooled by AC here, let me add this.

    G superscript 7 is the standard jazz (fake book) notation for a major chord with a minor seventh added. G7 without the superscript is also acceptable, but you will generally see this in music where the presentation is less important than the information conveyed. Discussion forums, as an example, or lead sheets. The superscript is mandatory only in formal music theory, and assists quick reading while improvising so it is effectively mandatory, though variable, there.

    "G minor 7 chord has thee notes G, Bb, D, F" would be written as "Gm7", traditionally without the superscript, or "G-7" (again without the superscript) in a jazz setting. It is a minor chord with the minor seventh added.

    Traditional music theory (Helmholtz) would write C4 as c' with C3 as regular c (with nothing following it). Lower octaves are indicated with capital letters, the next lower being C (again with nothing following). Then commas indicate lower octaves starting with C, as the next example.

    It is only a logical extension for the subsubcontra range to use a negative number, since C0 was really quite low and anything below it was pretty much unheard of. Helmholtz allowed for an infinite range, but as you can see the scientific notation system really did not count on notes below C0. C-1 is the lowest I have seen, which is why it is very unnatural to refer to a note as G-7.

    So you are correct that G-7 is much more likely to be understood, outside any context, as a chord. But for the wrong reasons. And of course if we are talking about a note, then how would you confuse it for a chord? Unless you wanted to demonstrate a tiny bit of trivia you picked up accidentally?

  16. Re:Uncertainty Principle by bipbop · · Score: 2

    I can attempt to explain two things. First, you can beat the time-frequency uncertainty principle if you're willing to be wrong sometimes. The ear does this, functioning foremost as a wavefront detector.(*) Second, most sounds including the human voice follow an approximation of the harmonic series. (Always an approximation; sometimes, it's not a very good model at all.) So you can detect the upper partials and reconstruct the fundamental if the audio in question fits the model well enough and the harmonics are present and measurable. Again, this works by being wrong some of the time.

    I found an article detailing how the Guinness record was measured here. It was only measured for nine seconds; this gives us a (minimum) bandwidth of .1Hz, which at .0189Hz would be within error around 10 semitones up or 30 semitones down (though I had to clobber the numbers pretty hard with the error bar), keeping in mind semitones are separated by a factor of 2^(1/12). The transform to frequency domain was further inaccurate due to the window size, and the 2270 is only specced down to 3Hz in any case, so the measured numbers probably contained a generous helping of error.

    So while I'm no expert, it looks like the the bandwidth of the measured sound definitely exceeds half a semitone in either direction, probably by at least one order of magnitude.

    (*) Hartmann, W. H. (1995). "The physical description of signals," in "Hearing," Edited by B. C. J. Moore, San Diego, Academic Press, 1-40.

  17. Re:And the rockets red glare (occult & war) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    are you trying to wake us up to the real meaning of waking us up ???

  18. (almost) anyone alive can do .187 Hz by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sound with a frequency .187 Hz is moving air at a rate of 11.22 times per minute. For most humans, that is about the frequency of their breath. Unless you are on a respirator, you yourself are perfectly capable of doing this. Also, "throat singing" can be used to generate frequencies that can not be produced by just your vocal chords. That technique, however, is not nearly as common as breathing.

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