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Funky Flying Wing Rotates 90 Degrees To Go Supersonic

Big Hairy Ian writes "An aircraft that resembles a four-point ninja star could go into supersonic mode by simply turning 90 degrees in midair. The unusual 'flying wing' concept has won $100,000 in NASA funding to trying becoming a reality for future passenger jet travel. The supersonic, bidirectional flying wing idea comes from a team headed by Ge-Chen Zha, an aerospace engineer at Florida State University. He said the fuel-efficient aircraft could reach supersonic speeds without the thunderclap sound (PDF) produced by a sonic boom — a major factor that previously limited where the supersonic Concorde passenger jet could fly over populated land masses."

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  1. Seriously? by CompMD · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A link to an article that makes you answer a poll about the RNC before letting you RTFA? Lame.

    First Post.

    1. Re:Seriously? by Antipater · · Score: 3, Informative

      I could RTFA fine. Dunno what poll you're talking about.

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  2. Better Link by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is one that doesn't make you answer a lame question:

    http://www.livescience.com/22828-supersonic-flying-wing-nasa.html

    It would be one thing if the "innovationwhatever.com" site wrote the article. They didn't. Yet they feel the need to try to profit of it. Utter douchebags.

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    1. Re:Better Link by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Informative

      I retract the part about the site not writing the article. Apparently they did. I still find it annoying, however. I may go back and answer their poll as I like to encourage science writing...

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    2. Re:Better Link by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

      In my twelve+ years lurking on Slashdot, this is the first time I've ever seen a lot of complaining about the actual content of an article.

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  3. Re:Seriously? This was approved? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hey if you can post InfoWorld articles I think anything short of goatse is fair game (actually there was that goatse-ish link to an artist's website a few years back...)

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  4. $100,000 for Aerospace research? by Revotron · · Score: 4, Informative

    That'll get them one workstation, one software license of their choice, and a PhD student for a year, tops.

    Also, wouldn't a flying-wing aircraft designed for passenger travel be incredibly inefficient in terms of space usage? Look at the B2 - most of its body is the wing and engine structure and a tiny cockpit for 2 crew members, plus a bomb bay. Imagine trying to scale up the B2 to fit 100+ people - it'd be gargantuan. It could handle the weight just fine (the B2 carries 50,000lbs of ordinance already), but to fit that many people comfortably would be quite a feat. IANA aerospace engineer so please correct me if I'm wrong.

    1. Re:$100,000 for Aerospace research? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You are not packing people right, please refer to http://www.ryanair.com for more information.

    2. Re:$100,000 for Aerospace research? by Antipater · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Also, wouldn't a flying-wing aircraft designed for passenger travel be incredibly inefficient in terms of space usage? Look at the B2 - most of its body is the wing and engine structure and a tiny cockpit for 2 crew members, plus a bomb bay. Imagine trying to scale up the B2 to fit 100+ people - it'd be gargantuan. It could handle the weight just fine (the B2 carries 50,000lbs of ordinance already), but to fit that many people comfortably would be quite a feat. IANA aerospace engineer so please correct me if I'm wrong.

      Well, a lot of the B-2's volume seems to be taken by the engines, which in this design are sticking out the top on rotating poles (which presents major design issues by itself). So that's a lot more volume to stick people inside. Moreover, the thing has the point sticking out backwards as well, whereas the B-2 doesn't. So that adds a lot of interior volume. Also remember that this won't have to be stealth, so that frees up a lot of design decisions.

      Boeing has been trying for years to make a flying-wing version of the C-130, so obviously this guy isn't the only one thinking of using a flying wing as a cargo carrier.

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    3. Re:$100,000 for Aerospace research? by Amouth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      actually if you read through the presentation that is the second link

      http://www6.miami.edu/acfdlab/projects/AIAA2010-1013_slides_pdf.pdf

      They have done a bit of modeling already, and it is showing promises. I'd call it a bit more than just a sketch, by bet is that with the funds they could do scale wind tunnel and fluid tests, which is listed as their next steps.

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    4. Re:$100,000 for Aerospace research? by Revotron · · Score: 3, Funny

      $2,500 workstation
      $7,500 SolidWorks license
      $15,000 Doctoral candidate stipend
      $75,000 University-mandated "Administration" expenses

    5. Re:$100,000 for Aerospace research? by dywolf · · Score: 2

      northrop investigated this years ago with mockups of their xb35 and yb49 fitted out with a passenger cabin. they couldnt get any industry interest. the room is there potentially, as flying wings tend be quite thick. of course teh B2 isnt engineered to carry people. a bomb bay chamber is mounted low, at the skin boundary, whereas a passenger cabin wouldn't want to cross that boundary naturally. the potential is there though. likely you'd see a slightly fewer passengers for an aircraft of the same weight, but then the flying wing tends to be more efficient overall as well. tradeoff, but potentially profitable.

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  5. Rotation by gninnor · · Score: 2

    Rotation of the thrust should be interesting. Wonder what the change in perspective does to the pilot and passengers and how fast the rotation is.

    And no, I didn't read the slideshow.

    1. Re:Rotation by perpenso · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wonder what the change in perspective does to the pilot and passengers ...

      Makes the pilots feel like passengers. Makes half the passengers feel like pilots, the other half feel like tail gunners, refueling boom operators, etc.

      ... and how fast the rotation is.

      Slow enough that the forces are a fraction of a G.

    2. Re:Rotation by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Informative
      I know this is asking entirely too much, for which I apologize, but it really helps if you RTFA:

      Jet engines located on top of the aircraft in concept illustrations appear to rotate independently of the aircraft so that they can always point forward in flight.

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    3. Re:Rotation by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      The acceleration felt by passengers during the rotation would be less than .1 G. It seems like it would be a little disorienting to the pilots though, maybe they shutter the windows and use cameras on the side of the aircraft now facing forward to project a view of what it would look like if they were still at the "front" of the plane.

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  6. Wow. by eexaa · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was still kindof worried when the presentation started to compare the concept to a frisbee.

  7. In which direction? by rossdee · · Score: 3, Funny

    Which direction does the wing rotate 90 degrees?

    In the past some planes could achieve supersonic flight by rotating the whole plane 90 degrees (from level flight) Getting back to subsonic flight was sometimes a bit more difficult...

    1. Re:In which direction? by perpenso · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which direction does the wing rotate 90 degrees?

      In the past some planes could achieve supersonic flight by rotating the whole plane 90 degrees (from level flight) Getting back to subsonic flight was sometimes a bit more difficult...

      In those circumstances getting subsonic was trivial, just a matter of waiting a brief time period.

    2. Re:In which direction? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      The entire aircraft rotates, not just the wing. It is a fixed wing aircraft. More specifically, the aircraft just performs a yaw while the engines on top rotate to continue pointing in the direction of travel. After the yaw is complete the structures that used to be the "wings" are now pointing forward and back, and the structures that used to point forward and back, including the cockpit, are now the "wings".

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  8. bombs are heavy by Chirs · · Score: 3

    So you need big enough wings to support them.

    For passenger travel you scale it up enough that the people can sit inside part of the wing area. Look up the "blended wing body" design.

  9. Russia by zlives · · Score: 3, Funny

    In other news, Russia announces it has begun working on a radical new ultrasonic bomber design.

    in an unrelated story, the entire staff at NASA was found snickering for no obvious reason.

  10. Problems with sonic booms? by WilliamBaughman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The only problem with sonic booms from the Concorde was that Boeing's own supersonic airliner never worked.

  11. Cylon Basestar? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 2

    Doesn't this remind anyone of a Cylon basestar, specifically, from the reboot series?

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  12. Must have been a PhD in grant writing by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The article is nearly useless. Even bringing up scramjet testing in such an article is ridiculous namedropping, and anyone who has actually seen the X51 knows that is has nothing to do with this project except that neither will be flying in this planet in the current state of development.

    There are so many questionable things about this concept, I can only assume that Mr. Zha has a second degree in grant writing or bullshittery to get and actual grant for research. And yet the linked presentation is, aside from some math simulation output data, poorer in content than at least half of the undergraduate senior projects in my Aero class back in the early 90s. One of the conclusions is "transition challenging, expected to be stable due to dual symmetric planform similar to flying Frisbee". Holy shit - that may very well be one of the most critical parts of the design. If you can't transition, you simply have a plane with the entire thrust force on a gimbal which can either be subsonic or supersonic. They other issue is the horrifically draggy airfoil shape required for subsonic flight due to the need to maintain symmetry in the supersonic mode. Their solution is either air injection into the flow and/or or slat deployment at speed to produce a proper lifting body - but that's an amazingly draggy way to accomplish such feat.

    I wanted to like this - so much that I did read through the broken-english slides to see what novel concepts they discovered. Sadly, this is really a master's level, one or two semester examination of shock wave perceptibly reduction, and at some point somebody's non-technical room mate told them it looked more like an airplane if they flew it sideways.

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  13. IAAAE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think the most challenging part about this aircraft is vehicle dynamics. For stable flight the center of mass needs to be forward of the 1/4 chord section of the subsonic wing, and for supersonic flight it should be forward of the 1/2 chord section of the supersonic wing. That alone means this is plane is inherently unstable and flies like a leaf from a tree without software compensation. This doesn't begin to address the transition from subsonic to supersonic, where at some point you must have flow at 45 degrees over both supersonic and subsonic surfaces, stably; the plane would have a tendency to pitch and roll under this maneuver.

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