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Leave Your Cellphone At Home, Says Jacob Appelbaum

An anonymous reader writes "N+1 has an interview with Jacob Appelbaum (who is part of the Tor project) titled 'Leave Your Cellphone at Home.'" Jacob has a lot to say about privacy, data security, and surveillance. He ought to know. Among other things, he's had his email seized, been relieved of his phone, been the subject of a National Security Letter (video) and generally had his travel disrupted.

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  1. Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by jmorris42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There, fixed that for ya. Amazing how they managed to get darned near 100% of the population to agree to carry around a tracking device with nary a peep. All it took was to be very careful to NOT talk about the tracking ability, keep news accounts of the police using the cell data off the front page and make the tracker shiny and useful enough. Do those things and not only will everyone carry one they will pay an average of $50/mo for the privledge. Land of the Free indeed.

    Won't be long now before they decide they have the hook set deep enough they can start making more overt use of the location/activity data without many people ditching their tracker.

    The carriers WILL start renting out access to track data for advertising purposes. They know where and when you are. They will be able to link that beyond your phone. Won't take much computation to get that localized enough to have a good idea which PC you use and then tie it to doubleclick and google's cookies. Then they know EVERYTHING. Combine a tracking cookie to hard billing quality identification data and the possibilities are truly limitless. Sure they COULD do that with Amazon but there is too great a chance of a user revolt. But people won't/can't give up their iShiny.

    What law enforcement will do with the data is so obvious and so dark there isn't much point in hammering it again really. Especially combined with security cameras everywhere. Who cares if the image quality isn't good enough for a positive id or you were wearing a hoodie. It gives a time/location and the tracker gives them who was at that spot in spacetime.

    Bust a drug dealer and you have probable cause to grab a trace on everyone who came in contact with that person for the last month. Crunch the numbers enough and lots of patterns emerge. Not quite precrime but close enough. You show up as having been in the room with a number of dealers and that will be your ass. Or be around a few people who later get busted for burgulary and how soon until that is cause for a search warrant on your place? Being able to effortlessly work backwards from a bust and turn up clues like that will change the law enforcement game entirely.

    And now you see why AT&T yanked all their payphones and for some reason simply refuses to compete in the landline business, even with billions and billions in sunk costs for all that wire going everywhere. Eliminate hardlines and everyone MUST buy a cell. It is already sorta odd to encounter someone who doesn't carry one, eventually it will be reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. Wouldn't suprise me if they become the preferred physical identifier, i.e. 'your papers.'

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    1. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by EnergyScholar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why was this last comment modded down, and by whom? It seems like a pretty good comment to me. Who, besides a forum spy, would want to keep the above comment out of sight?

    2. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by masternerdguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      holy tinfoil

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    3. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by jmorris42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You are half right. Most people assume I'm a bible humping right winger, but in reality I'm an agnostic anti-idiotarian Libertarian. And this crap annoys my Libertarian tendencies. If I didn't need one for work I wouldn't carry a mobile device. But yea the hivemind has started demonstrating their tolerance and diversity bigtime on my ass of late. I just say "bring it bitches." because nothing says "I can't win an argument" like organizing a movement to silence the few of us around here who don't toe the Party line.

      The lamers downmodding don't bother me, do wish the admins would lay off though and put my account back to normal. Since pissing one of them off a few months ago karma goes down far faster than it goes up. One downmod is usually enough to kill the posting bonus now. Still manage to average three replies per post though so it hasn't silenced me. Never saw that sort of heavy editorial hand back when Cmdr. Taco ran things so it is a bad sign of things to come.

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    4. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly so.

      Welcome to the fascist United Snakes of Amerika, Inkorporated, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the international bankster cabal. "1984" and "Brave New World" were supposed to be dire warnings of a possible alternative future, not an operations manual for the Powers That Be.

      We are tracked by our cell phones, our automobiles (OnStar) & license plate cameras, the public cloud of face recognition video surveillance cameras, UAV drones equipped with FLIR & Hellfire missiles, cancer-inducing naked body scanners, lamp-posts with microphones tied to Fusion center-based voice recognition computers, our home computers hacked by the Police State to remotely turn on embedded cameras and which monitor every keystroke, and even SmartMeters that monitor every home appliance. Next on their agenda -- the end of cash, and universal RFID "chipping".

      The old Soviet Block Stasi & KGB would be very envious of "our" national security surveillance police state grid.
      "Your papers, please."
      You will submit to public strip searches & full body cavity searches by the army of TSA pedophiles that only change their gloves when they wear them out or tear a hole in them.

    5. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by geminidomino · · Score: 2

      It's like a cell phone for your car that doesn't work quite as well. Oh, and doesn't make phone calls or send SMS.

    6. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by CubicleZombie · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you intend to commit a crime, leave your phone somewhere that will support your alibi. If you're going to frame someone, take theirs.

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    7. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by jmorris42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > Meanwhile I have good karma with a default score of 2 for being a complete tool.

      Hey, I posted at +3 (Karma + subscriber) unbroken for pretty much the entire time the current slashdot model existed until a couple of months ago when I pissed off an admin or they totally redesigned the moderation system. Since there hasn't been widespread complaining I assume it is just me that is getting the special treatment. Mods can't really hurt you unless you are a totally usless user who never says anything worthwhile. The downmods get cancelled out by upmods on the good stuff and it all works out.

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    8. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by mrex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      nothing says "I can't win an argument" like organizing a movement to silence the few of us around here who don't toe the Party line.

      Hear, hear. We might be on completely opposite ends of the political spectrum, but democracy is dead if we allow that to mean we can't have a civilized conversation with each other about the issues. Kudos to you for putting your beliefs out there for examination and peer review, and shame on the people who are trying to silence you instead of responding to your cogent and valuable posts.

    9. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by Krojack · · Score: 2

      I'm guessing you say that about everyone that doesn't agree with your point of view.

      "A person who believes in the doctrine of free will" (by definition) isn't anything like the "right" or "conservative". It's what it says, people who like free will. A Libertarian is also someone who can think more for them self unlike the far "left" and far "right" brainwashed groups lead around on a leash by the media.

    10. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      You are half right. Most people assume I'm a bible humping right winger, but in reality I'm an agnostic anti-idiotarian Libertarian.

      To a lot of folks, Libertarian means conservative -- no taxes, little government, no regulations at all. Most folks (and I don't know why) confuse "conservative" with "Christian". Perhaps because the conservative atheists who pretend to be Christian (Rick Perry comes to mind) scream so loudly about their imaginary faith. They make real Christians cringe.

      I broke the screen off my phone three months ago and it's been like a landline ever since, sitting on my end table. The only thing I miss is the clock and calendar and camera.

    11. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by downhole · · Score: 2

      Nice theory. Let's take a look at some practical examples, though. In all of the rebellions in the Arab Spring, involving actual totalitarian government being overthrown by force, my understanding is that cell phones have proved far more useful to the rebels for coordinating their activities than to the Government for tracking people.

      There are potential dangers from tracking and such, but I think they can be mostly mitigated with good tactics, and that the overall benefits outweigh the risks in most cases.

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    12. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

      It's rated +5 at the moment. Ah, obviously the forum spies are using reverse psychology! Woooooooo!

    13. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For me it depends on why they disagree. Christopher Hitchens was a card carrying socialist, which I am definitely not (for the most part), but I had a lot of respect for the guy and enjoyed hearing his POV on things. On the other hand if someone starts parroting some Party line bullshit at me simply because they are circling the wagons against a new idea, they can get bent.

    14. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

      The Libertarians have to stop with the open border stuff, though. Yes, immigration policy needs to be reworked from top to bottom, but wide open borders is way into woo-land. They also need to recognize that getting to a smaller more focused government is not going to happen overnight.

    15. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by Soulskill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your submissions weren't 'removed' at all, you just apparently don't know where to look for them. You can see see them on your user page.

    16. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by Soulskill · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's nothing abnormal about your account. Your posting bonus is easy to kill because your karma is hovering right around zero, and because you seem to generate a lot of moderations. The comment to which I'm replying has, at this moment, 20 mods to it (and none from the editors; we don't really care what you say, as long as it's not spam or links to shock sites). The parent comment has even more.

    17. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      holy tinfoil

      No tinfoil required.

      In Canada, we had this thing called "lawful access" which allowed the police to initiate a search and seizure without a warrant. Including tracking a person without a warrant if there were exigent circumstances. This was struck down by the supreme court. But that's not tinfoil is it?

      Hell, have you even bothered to look at some of the app updates recently for say google maps? Or some of the QR readers? That's just giving away info. Here let's take an example of the latest google map update that was pushed through:
      Disable keylock on the phone
      Disable phone from sleeping
      Broadcast location
      Directly call numbers
      Records audio
      Manage accounts lists
      Read phone identifier information, including phone number and serial #
      Allow NCF and full internet access
      Discover all known accounts, google accounts on phone, and view all configured accounts

      And there's another 8 or so things I didn't bother to list.

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    18. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by water-and-sewer · · Score: 2

      No, it cuts both ways. When I wrote and researched my book, The Dictator's Handbook, it was clear governments are able to make easy use of this data. There are numerous examples: governments planting trojans, tracking journalists, hacking email, sending out spear phish attacks, and worse. Rioters in Syria and Iran are frequently amazed when they are put in jail and their own email is read to them during the legal proceedings. Twitter is no better, and rogue governments create fake Facebook log-in pages to trap log-in credentials. Join us on the forum at http://dictatorshandbook.net/ for more, and you're welcome to read using NNTP protocol for increased anonymity.

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    19. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by jmorris42 · · Score: 2

      Ok, then the moderation rules seem to have changed from what they were in past years. After making a plummet from excellent to terrible in a single afternoon things changed; or the plummet was because things had changed. Now if I have excellent karma it seems one downmod drops it to good and it doesn't take many more to get to negative, while it takes a lot of +5 comments to get it back up again. Perhaps I have simply become a lightning rod and am attracting the dedicated attention of a few downmodders but looking at the posting history doesn't support that explantion. At the end of a day more posts can be modded up than down and karma status can be worse than the morning, which was why I formed the theory that I had been placed into a status where downmods were counting off more than upmods were.

      But as long as it is still a halfway fair fight I'll stay in the fight and help 'yall generate the all important page views. :)

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    20. Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      I don't think that's a fair characterization. Libertarians genuinely believe that their ideology is best for society. They also have some very different ideas from conservatives on social issues. I think where Libertarian ideals fall down is on non-local issues, or issues involving large groups of people.

      Pollution is the classic problem. If I get sick drinking some polluted water downstream, the libertarian answer is to sue the guy upstream. The "guy" upstream could be hundreds, thousands, or millions of people dumping raw sewage and garbage into the river. How the heck am I supposed to prove whose shit made me sick?

      I find that Libertarians also get mixed up when discussing corporations and intellectual property (IP). Both things exist only in law and depend on a strong government (note I said "strong" and not "large"). Both corporations and IP represent huge intrusions of the government upon the "free market". I'm always taken a bit aback when they talk about deregulation but in the same breath seem to ignore the elephants in the room.

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  2. And to think I'm paying for this "convenience" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If todays phones are nothing more than tracking devices for the government and anybody with the right tools to know where we are at all times, then why are we paying for this?

    I mean facebook is free and collects tons of information, yet we pay to use our phones and it collects our information the same way...

    1. Re:And to think I'm paying for this "convenience" by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      if you pay for it, you think you have gotton value.

      if they gave it away for free, you'd think it was worthless.

      perceived value.

      just like sms is seen as having value when its just spare bytes that are always there on every packet, no matter what! costing nothing but they convince you that you need YET ANOTHER form of email and they gave it a cute next, texting.

      what a nice scam to be in on. if you're the unethical type, that is.

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    2. Re:And to think I'm paying for this "convenience" by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There could come a time very soon when NOT carrying a cellphone will be viewed as evidence of criminal activity in-and-of itself. Much like not carrying an ID can get you thrown in jail today, tomorrow's cops may well toss you into the clinker for not carrying a cellphone (i.e. tracking device).

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    3. Re:And to think I'm paying for this "convenience" by T+Murphy · · Score: 2

      The worst is when I go to the store, and they make me pay for stuff! They're tracking my purchases, so why can't I just get the stuff for free?

  3. Not just your phone! by Antipater · · Score: 5, Funny

    This isn't just with phones. Did you know that law enforcement agencies can see what you're doing when you're on the internet?? You should stop using the internet. But it's probably too late, anyway, because they've probably infected your computer with a program that monitors your every keystroke!

    And that's not all! Did you know there're identifying numbers on your car, too? Law enforcement can track you and indict you simply because of a number on the backside of your car! You should probably just leave your car at home.

    And don't even get me started about how unsecure your fingertips are.

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    1. Re:Not just your phone! by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 2

      And that's not all! Did you know there're identifying numbers on your car, too? Law enforcement can track you and indict you simply because of a number on the backside of your car! You should probably just leave your car at home.

      Apparently so.

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    2. Re:Not just your phone! by jmorris42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      > Law enforcement can track you and indict you simply because of a number on the backside of your car! You should probably just leave your car at home.

      Yea, that is becoming a major nightmare. Until pervasive cameras it didn't matter much. The could put an APB on a plate number and still not have a very high success rate on the cops finding it. Now with cameras in every intersection that changes. They can get a big chunk of the same info collection that way that cell phone tracking gives them but it isn't quite as good. All tracking cars does is show where the car went, the camers may or may not give a good enough image to prove who was in it. And more than one person can be in a car at the same time. If you have phone data the cars don't add a lot.

      Of course they require a lot less legal issues to make use of images already sitting on traffic and homeland security machines so they are starting there. Later they can supplement it with the cell tracks and the merged dataset will be very complete in the picture of where a person goes and what they are doing.

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    3. Re:Not just your phone! by s0nicfreak · · Score: 2

      And even if you leave your phone and car at home... law enforcement agents can still see what you're doing with their eyes! Better just board up all your windows and stay inside, get rid of the phone and internet, and have no contact with the outside world - because someone might SEE it.

  4. Re:So . . . by killmenow · · Score: 2

    We're all threats to someone.

  5. Re:Leave it at home? by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You could just leave the SIM card at home and take the phone with you. The wi-fi capability is all you need to maintain communications with the outside world in most urban environments, and doing encrypted, TORed VOIP over a wifi connection shouldn't identify you like the SIM would.

  6. Solution by ADRA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Problem
    "And don't even get me started about how unsecure your fingertips are."

    Solution:
    Hot irons

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    1. Re:Solution by Hillgiant · · Score: 2

      Nope.

      Scarred fingerprints set off even more alarm bells than normal ones. Plus the scar pattern is often uniquely identifiable. Better to be safe and chop the whole finger off.

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  7. Re:Leave it at home? by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 3, Funny

    I use CDMA you insensitive clod!!!

  8. Re:Leave it at home? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    Why does that matter?
    Do you think they are monitoring the access point?

    MAC addresses don't get sent beyond the broadcast domain.

  9. Take your phone, turn it off by roc97007 · · Score: 2

    Keep your phone on you, powered down. Or powered up in airplane mode (cell, gps, wifi turned off) if the phone has it. (Advantage is that "airplane mode" is usually instant on.)

    This is assuming that you're carrying a phone that can be powered down. If not, I agree; leave it at home. Or get a different phone.

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  10. Re:Can anyone read the site? by QilessQi · · Score: 2

    Try Readability:

    http://readability.com/

    Also available as a browser plug-in.

  11. Blessings on Jacob and Julian by sgt_doom · · Score: 2

    And please let us not forget one of the overriding stories against free speech and transparency:

    http://www.nnn.se/nordic/assange/suspicious.pdf

    http://www.whale.to/b/gelbspan_b.html

    And blessings on Jacob for everything he's done and is still doing.

  12. What about ... by aliquis · · Score: 3

    Put your device into wifi mode, only use open access points and communicate over tor?

    More people should leave their access points open for the greater good. Or have one open and one closed for their personal use.

    Too bad that's not the case =p

  13. Yeah right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone who thinks leaving a cell phone at home, powered off, or in airplane mode is an option obviously doesn't have a wife.

    1. Re:Yeah right. by jmorris42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You do realize that for all of human history up until the late 1990's most of the world lived perfectly happy, fulfilled lives without a cell phone, right? You really don't need to be connected to everyone else all of the time. Try silencing the damned thing once in a while and connect with the meatsacks around you at the moment.

      > living in the basement, and having no contact with society.

      Just the opposite, depending on all this tech too much is what makes you a virtual hermit with no real contact with humans.

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    2. Re:Yeah right. by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Did you know that in Victorian Cambridge and London (that I know about for sure) there were several mail collections and deliveries PER DAY, and if even a typical 4 hour turnaround wasn't fast enough there were messenger boys. Australian businessmen paid for underwater cable to allow the late Victorian equivalent of high frequency trading in the futures market of the day (wool, for instance). The Roman Empire depended on a network of staged horses and fast riders, so that in an emergency a message could get from Londinium to Aquae Sulis in a couple of days, when a cart would take a week. People have always wanted to communicate as fast as technology would allow, and there have always been people who would pay a premium for it.

      Now it has been democratised. Indian peasants can use a mobile phone to find the market offering the best price for their produce. Nepalese herders can decide the best time to bring their goats to market. For a lot of people who don't live in the US, the cellular phone is literally transforming their lives. You can only take the attitude you do because you live in a rich society and are insulated from the factors that have held most people in the world back economically. One of those factors is lack of access to fast, reliable communications.

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  14. Re:Leave it at home? by jmorris42 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not unless someone is doing something they shouldn't. Each device is assigned a unique 48bit MAC address at time of manufacture. Each one.

    You buy a 24 bit prefix from IEEE (I think) and are then supposed to do your own accounting on the lower 24 bits to be sure you don't duplicate one. If you have ever looked up a MAC to see who made the device, that is how it works. The owner of the prefix is a published record.

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  15. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Informative

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  16. Driving while black by tepples · · Score: 2

    How should one never attract the interest of law enforcement while, for example, law enforcement officers continue to practice unofficial racial profiling?

    1. Re:Driving while black by snspdaarf · · Score: 2

      Now, read this in an Elmer Fudd voice

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  17. Re:a much better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, no, see, it transmits your GPS coordinates to a monitoring station while "off" all the time and magically does this without draining any battery power or emitting detectable RF.

  18. Pandering to the base, I see by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

    ...would only be possible if you were a hermit, living in the basement, and having no contact with society.

    All the time we get "Why the hell is this posted on slashdot?" Here, it seems, is an article aimed directly at the core demographic.

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  19. Re:a much better idea by RubberDuckie · · Score: 2

    He's right, you can get one here. Of course I've probably placed myself on some government agency watch list by posting this.

  20. Re:Yottabytes by shippers · · Score: 2

    I can only imagine it's referring to throughput, rather than storage, i.e. the data comes in, gets analysed and is then discarded. Even so, that would require units of time in there, like yottabytes per second or something. I don't know... any excuse to talk in terms of yottas and sound impressive I suppose.

  21. Re:Leave it at home? by jmorris42 · · Score: 2

    > You sure?

    Don't know about the guy you were replying to but of course I'm sure. And if you knew anything about how this tech you depend upon daily actually worked you would be sure as well. There isn't a spot in an IP frame for the MAC, only in the lower level ethernet frames. If you aren't on the same subnet you don't see the mac address. If a wireless access point has node isolation turned on the different clients attached don't even see them. Of course DHCP servers do log them so if the access point isn't purely a consumer device that forgets that sort of thing as fast as the lease expires there is some trackability. If 'they' want to really go digging for it.

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  22. Re:Leave it at home? by mea_culpa · · Score: 2

    Why does that matter?
    Do you think they are monitoring the access point?

    MAC addresses don't get sent beyond the broadcast domain.

    Why wouldn't they?
    I doubt that open access points at random residences are being monitored but I'd bet every Starbucks, McDonalds, and airport that offers free wifi are being monitored and MAC addresses being stored. Most of these are run by monolithic organizations, one of the largest being one that allowed three letter government agencies to snoop on their customers.
    Firewall logs typically show DHCP negotiation along with requesting MAC addresses.

  23. Re:Funny, this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    'cause he is apparently well-off enough to be able to afford a lawyer.

    It's not so much 'DWB' (although that's part of it) a lot more of it is 'DWP' - Driving while [obviously] poor.

    AC

  24. Re:Leave it at home? by element-o.p. · · Score: 2

    Yes, but in this case, "enough devices" is something like 281,474,980,000,000 network interfaces, unless my math is off. That's something like 46,000 network interfaces for every man, woman and child on the planet.

    Even counting every network interface in every cellphone, laptop, desktop, server, router and switch that I have ever owned, administrated or even *touched*, I don't think I'm anywhere near my share of network interfaces. While I have no doubt whatsoever that there are people whose network interface count is higher than mine, I still suspect it's safe to say that if I'm not anywhere near that count (as a network admin), then there's no way the average number of network devices in use is anywhere even remotely near that number.

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  25. Re:Leave it at home? by w_dragon · · Score: 2

    While removing the SIM gets rid of the IMEI it certainly doesn't make it so that your phone is unable to connect to a cell network. 911 calls continue to work, even if your phone has no SIM. There are several other identifiers in a cell phone that the network can use for routing and tracking purposes, if they want to.

  26. Re:Get that 40% off from ATT!!!! by f3rret · · Score: 2

    1. AT&T ditched their pay phones because they didn't make any money.

    2 . hardlines - they WANT you to keep them! Really! Case in point: when I called to drop my hardline ATT immediately, without asking, cut roughly 40% off of my bill to keep me on ($95 [with internet] down to $60). Reason given by customer retention person - "We DON'T want you to give up your landline!".

    Sunk costs indeed.

    After hearing that they could have reduced my bill at anytime, I told them that I was not interested. Cancel immediately. Thank you.

    Firm and cold stops all salespeople in their tracks - no emotion is the key.

    Well no company that relies more or less entirely on subscription fees will never want you to cancel one of their subscriptions. Doesn't mean they wont stop marketing them as heavily though-

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  27. The 'off' button does not turn your phone OFF by EnergyScholar · · Score: 2

    Gosh, I thought most people understood this by now. Phones in the OFF state still 'wake up' every now and then and phone home to the cell towers. Which allows your movements to be tracked. 'Off' is NOT really OFF. The only way to make a phone truly OFF is to pull out the battery.

  28. Re:Answer: Wikileaks by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    And border patrol agents are actually looking out for him? Not denying it, but it's pretty disturbing if they have apparatus in place to grab people like this at the border (i.e., non-fugitives) and then have lowly peons harass them just because some politicians don't like them.

  29. Too extreme by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 2

    That's too extreme. Just leave all your microwave-transmitting information devices inside the microwave oven, which wil probably be the "deadest" spot inside your house. If your microwave is safe enough to bake a potato, it won't leak enough microwaves for you or the FBI to use YOUR cellphone.

    Incidentally, texting or calling a cellphone placed inside a hopefully inactive microwave oven is a crude way to test for possible leaks in the oven's protective coating.

  30. Re:Leave it at home? by greg1104 · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're assuming perfect distribution of MAC-48 AKA EUI-48 addresses among manufacturers and their products, which is far away from true. 1/2 of the 48 bits here are assigned to a manufacturer. 24 bits there make about 16M unique addresses available to each manufactured device. The flip side to that is that every manufactured device gobbles up 16M addresses, whether they use them all or not. Every time someone releases a new device assigned its own NIC address, another 16M addresses die, even if they only sell 1 of them.

    That means the important part then is that there are only ~16M Organizationally Unique Identifier (OUI) blocks, the other 24 bits here. Those are getting consumed at some rate, bigger manufacturers will need more than one of them, and therefore want to ask for a larger block of them. The IEEE is already aiming to reclaim them after 100 years and otherwise tightening standards for keeping companies from getting more OUI "space" than they need. As they state there, "The total number of EUI-48 identifiers available, while large, is NOT inexhaustible.". It's similar to the situation with IPv4 addresses, where the capacity looked practically infinite at first, but waste forced the size of the average block allocations down hard over time to keep from running out. Now you have to use 95% of the addresses you've already got before you can get more OUIs.

    MAC addresses have started to move from 48 bits to 64 in order to make this problem go away, because then you're at a "atoms in the universe" scale. I believe that's going about as well as the IPv6 migration. We're a long time from the 48 bits running out, but it's not as impossible as you might think just from computing against 2^48.