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China's Yangtze River Turns Red

redletterdave writes "The Yangtze River, the third longest river in the world traditionally known as the 'golden watercourse,' mysteriously blushed for the first time on Sept. 6. Residents in the surrounding area near the city of Chongqing, where the Yangtze connects to the Jialin River, literally stopped in their tracks when they noticed their once golden river had turned a shocking shade of red. Residents have carefully crept down to the riverbanks for the past few days to save some of the red, tomato juice-like river water in bottles. Early predictions from scientists say the red water was likely a result of pollution, but investigators are still investigating the unknown cause."

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  1. sounds familiar by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Soon Moh She will lead the workers out of their factories and part the Yellow Sea.

    1. Re:sounds familiar by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      But not before the evil Pharaoh will have been humbled by the other nine plagues of Communism: shortage of diapers in drug stores, ten years of waiting time for a new Volga car, dirty tram seats, the darkness-causing industrial air pollution, attentive secret police agents on every corner, badly fitting shapeless clothes made of rough fabric that itches on your bum, badly maintained roads threatening to destroy your Volga car's shock absorbers on every kilometer (if you have one (a Volga car, not a kilometer)), oranges only for Christmas in shops, and worst of all, Soviet ballet movies with outrageous picture quality every night on the telly.

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  2. Obvious propaganda is obvious. by fragfoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obvious propaganda from the chinese communist party.

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    1. Re:Obvious propaganda is obvious. by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh right, commemorating the great events of September ???, lessee, when was that?

      Huge earthquakes, near Yiliang County.
      Followed by heavy rains.
      Large landslides.
      117 miles south of a major Yangtze tributary into which local rivers drain.

      Far more likely an industrial spill or iron ore laden mudslide.

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    2. Re:Obvious propaganda is obvious. by Russ1642 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hopefully Mother Earth has already had The Talk with the river.

    3. Re:Obvious propaganda is obvious. by hawguy · · Score: 2

      Worse.
      Finally china's population density has brought about a horrific consequence, the land itself is synchronizing periods with the local population.
      Those poor bastards, may god have mercy on their souls...

      China's population density is about 1/3 that of Japan, Korea, and India, and about half the density of the UK. Does god have enough mercy for all of those souls as well?

    4. Re:Obvious propaganda is obvious. by fm6 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't remember the parties having any colors when I was a kid, though according to WP, the Dems and Reps did indeed sometimes use Red and Blue respectively. And of course everywhere but here, the left is "Red" and the right is "Blue". I think this has to do with the left being fond of waving red flags (an old symbol for a fight to the death) and the right usually being associated with asserting traditional hierarchies, which originally meant rule by so-called Blue Bloods — people who had the right ancestors.

      But the red flag became the symbol of the socialist movement, which has always been unpopular in the U.S. I think American liberals consciously avoided using red, so as to avoid assisting those who defined a commie as anybody to the left of Genghis Khan. So the standard color scheme never really caught on here. Meanwhile, the world socialist movement fell out of favor after the biggest Marxist state collapsed and the second-biggest basically switched over to intensive capitalism — pretty much destroying the whole red-versus-blue image. Since Americans aren't great at historical memory, they were now free to re-invent the color scheme.

      It's true that the current Red-State/Blue-State thing started out on TV. (WP says it was first used in the 2000 presidential coverage). But I think the main credit for its spread goes to the right, which embraced an image that neatly illustrated their claim that liberals represent a group of people living in a few prosperous coastal states, and who completely ignore the needs of Americans in flyover states.

      Note that redstate.com is an influential political blog, while bluestate.com belongs to an obscure lighting and design firm whose web site has been in parking mode since 2007.

    5. Re:Obvious propaganda is obvious. by hawguy · · Score: 2

      China's population density is skewed by large tracts of comparatively empty provinces. Instead of comparing it as a country to other countries, stick to the provinces with high populations.

      Isn't that better for the environment? Areas of very dense population large areas of mostly undeveloped land? I'd bet that if their population were more evenly distributed across the country then there'd be more environmental destruction.

    6. Re:Obvious propaganda is obvious. by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Nothing to do with population density. This is simply what you get when you combine psychophysically run corporations with an autocratic corrupt right wing government, China simply flipped from a left wing to a right wing government, without changing the name plates. The net result of corporations running without any regulation, sure the laws are there but a few dollars and they disappear.

      So how much will settle in the riverbed taking decades to either be buried on to reduce to less problematic levels and how much will end up in the sea to effect neighbouring countries. With current global population levels no country has the right to turn the environment into an infinite rubbish.

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    7. Re:Obvious propaganda is obvious. by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you judge Mao by his actions he was a dictator far to the right of Ghenghis Khan that just happened to use left wing excuses for his actions.

  3. Apple has finally done it !!!! by future+assassin · · Score: 4, Funny

    They've unleashed gods wrath on us with their patent wars....

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  4. Red? by WD · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe my eyes need to be checked, but it looks brown to me.

    1. Re:Red? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I was thinking the same thing then clicked the link in the article and that was where the red pictures were, the page we are linked to has the before pictures.

      It's pretty unmistakeably red if you can see red.

    2. Re:Red? by SuurMyy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here are the red pictures

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    3. Re:Red? by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative
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    4. Re:Red? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Quite obviously photoshopped. Look at the photo with the two men, one holding a bottle. Now look along the left side of the bottle. Look at the men's left arms. Screaming fake. If you inspect some of the other pictures closely, you will also find other areas where color manipulation is evident.

    5. Re:Red? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      AC Parent is a liar

      No, he's not.

      Take a good look at the area under the bottle in this image. Some of the water remains brown, yet parts of the two men's arms are the exact same color as the water.

    6. Re:Red? by poity · · Score: 2

      Wow, no joke, that's some shoddy PS job. Also the shore-side water in the background between the two men's heads. They forgot to paint that part.

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    7. Re:Red? by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

      It looks to me like they tweaked the saturation. I was wondering about that because I saw the same pictures elsewhere and the color is not nearly so dramatic -- at least if you're not conditioned to having the river look one way or the other.

      My wife is a physical oceanographer and her first reaction when she heard about this is that it was some kind of phytoplankton bloom. Some pictures I've seen make it look like some kind of dye, which is more plausible than you might think.

      When my brother was a civil engineering co-op student he caused a local news sensation . He'd been given the job of doing a dye study looking for illegal sewer connections. What happens is that developers assume the first pipe they come to is the right one to hook the sanitary sewer lines up to. He only needed half a teaspoon of dye powder, but the smallest quantity he could order was a two gallon pail. So he flushed the whole pail down the toilet, and hit the jackpot, dyeing the whole harbor of Salem Mass fluorescent green.

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  5. Re:Uh-huh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trying to figure out the scientific explanation behind this isn't nerdy enough?

  6. Some photos obviously enhanced by DaTrueDave · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was looking at some of the photos linked in that article, and I noticed that some of them are pretty obviously photoshopped. I'm sure the river was red, but I'm not so sure it was such a dramatic shade of red. You can see where the editing was sloppy and bled over into the arm and thumb of the person holding the bottle, and the arm of the guy behind, as well as some sections that are probably the actual shade of red that the river turned.

    1. Re:Some photos obviously enhanced by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>>bled over into the arm and thumb of the person holding the bottle

      Wow. Okay so what motive would the Daily Mail of the fine and prestigious UK have to colorize these photos? Hmmm.

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    2. Re:Some photos obviously enhanced by Clsid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We don't know but the guy does have a point, that picture was photoshopped.

    3. Re:Some photos obviously enhanced by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm so upset that I didn't even bother to read more than a few sentences of the article given the topic we're having.
      "Nobody is quite sure what caused the color change."

      So in the rush to get there first with the reporting race, someone couldn't be bothered to give a college chem lab student lunch and an hour to get a chemical composition of the water? Oh, right, that would actually take journalism work.

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    4. Re:Some photos obviously enhanced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The same already photoshopped picture is available from both China Foto Press and Barcroft Media, which are credited in the Daily Mail picture. Sloppy screening on the Daily Mail's behalf, but the image manipulation appears to originate closer to the source.

    5. Re:Some photos obviously enhanced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No. It's a lousy Photoshop job. Zoom in on the lower part of the picture. You can clearly see the bad strokes made by the person who did the "enhancement".

    6. Re:Some photos obviously enhanced by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm willing to bet that anything that could change the river to a color like this would probably stain the skin a bit.

      That doesn't explain why there is a patch of un-brightened water under the guy's forearm, the line of which exactly matches up with the patch of orange on his arm itself.

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    7. Re:Some photos obviously enhanced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm pretty sure that was intended to be read with a sarcastic tone. Though I'm from the States, from what I've gathered the Daily Mail is like the UK's version of the National Enquirer--correspondence of their articles to actual reality is purely coincidental.

      And, like the Enquirer, the more fantastic (in the literal sense) the story, the better.

    8. Re:Some photos obviously enhanced by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      > It isn't 'obvious' to me that that image has been manipulated.

      No offense, but are you blind? Here are the areas highlighted in red that show obvious signs of being manipulated.

      http://imgur.com/d5vKF

    9. Re:Some photos obviously enhanced by poity · · Score: 4, Informative

      On the captions you see it's by China Photo Press/Barcroft Media, which means DailyMail bought them from 3rd party photo journalists, who obviously were looking for a quick sell and weren't concerned with some color enhancement. Here's a phone camera video taken yesterday http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDQ3ODM2NDUy.html It's not as red as the photos, but still very red. The locals who are talking to the guy filming say it's the first time they've seen anything like this, so it's not a total fake either.

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  7. Re:Uh-huh.. by turkeyfeathers · · Score: 4, Funny

    Blood from sacrifices at Foxconn factory?

  8. Ukraine by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here is a picture that I remember from way back - this is a red river in the city of Zaporizhia in Ukraine, this city has (or had) a number of factories, smelters, motor factories, I think most of them were just dumping the waste right into Dnepr (the main river in Ukraine) and then all that water flows into the Black sea.

  9. That's nothing serious by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm from Cleveland. Call me when the Yangste is on fire.

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    1. Re:That's nothing serious by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Seems to me a good way to catch your fish precooked...

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    2. Re:That's nothing serious by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How long will it take China to start taking their environment seriously?

      China's environmental record is similar to the US in that it is full of contradictions. Look up the Loose (sic?) plateau in NW China, it's an area the size of France that 20yrs ago looked like an Afghan desert and today is one of the world's largest apple producing regions, goats are now fenced in, the hills now have trees and wild life, the land has stopped eroding away faster than anywhere else on earth, locals were given land to farm in exchange for caring for it in the prescribed manner, and the average income of the locals has quadrupled (after taking inflation into account). The entire thing cost $500M and was done with hand tools using local labor. However these were all secondary aims of the project, the primary aim of the project was to stop silt filling up the three gorges dam. ;)

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  10. Iron oxide, maybe a spill from an aluminium plant by jopet · · Score: 5, Informative

    Aluminium plants produce a huge quantity of "red mud" which is red from iron oxide. A spill could well color the whole river red.
    See e.g. here where the mud spilled through a broken dam in Hungary: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2010/10/05/GA2010100502818.html

  11. Sounds like a red tide by Grayhand · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are chemicals that can cause it but the other option is all the fertilizer resulted in a red tide, a type of algae. For wildlife it's as bad or worse than a chemical spill. The blooms can come on suddenly and should fade once the food source gets used up.

  12. And now for a musical interlude by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Funny

    When Android was in China's land ... let my cell phones go!
    Just trolled so hard they could not stand .. let my cell phones go!
    Go down, Samsung, way down in China's land,
    tell ol' Jintao to let my cell phones go!

    (Nah, it just doesn't quite have the same ring to it)

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  13. People's Republic Rejoice! by Suffering+Bastard · · Score: 4, Funny

    Only Glorious Red Rivers for Glorious Red Chinese Communist Republic! Soon all waters and newborn babies everywhere will shine triumphantly with Glorious Red Hue!

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  14. Perfectly reasonable by fredgiblet · · Score: 4, Funny

    I blame Obama. Who's with me?

  15. Listen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just let the Jews go. It only gets worse from here.

    - Pharaoh

    1. Re:Listen by jbeaupre · · Score: 5, Funny

      If it gets to where all the first born children die, there won't be many people left to stop them from leaving in this one-child-only country.

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  16. Dumping by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some of the religious nuts will probably claim this is bibilical, but more likely, somebody dumped some industrial waste.

    Something like that happened in San Jose, CA about twenty years ago. Someone dumped several big industrial plating baths into the sewers all at once. This killed most of the bacteria that digest waste in the sewerage treatment plant. So for about three days, raw sewerage was dumped into the San Francisco Bay. Big mess, especially since there isn't much water flow in the south end of San Francisco Bay to dilute that stuff. It could be both seen and smelled. EPA fined San Jose millions for that. San Jose found and fined the plating company.

  17. You know when you're in a flat with three girls? by tbird81 · · Score: 3, Funny

    And then they get "sync'd"?

    Now imagine that with 14 million women and poor sanitation.

  18. cyanobacteria ? by cats-paw · · Score: 2

    a bloom caused by excess nutrients, i.e. pollution, in the water ?

    maybe a kind of algae ?

    that would be my guess.

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  19. Image is poorly Photoshopped - restored version by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    Based on a quick study of the poorly Photoshopped image (you can clearly see the mask lines, and the bits they forgot to alter) it looks like someone simply doubled the saturation on the water.

    I've made an attempt to restore the image to something approaching reality.

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  20. Re:You know when you're in a flat with three girls by codepigeon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have mod points, where is the option +1 Fucking gross comment.

  21. Re:news! by hawguy · · Score: 3, Funny

    There most likely is no god

    Why are you trying to turn this into a religious argument? There most certainly is a god, and I've got a Wikipedia article that proves it.

  22. Re:Ocean dye? by hawguy · · Score: 2

    It wouldn't be the first time dye turned a chinese river red

    They said it's not the normal red-tide algae because that algae grows in salt water, but this is a freshwater river.

  23. Re:Just do you know... by Genda · · Score: 2

    China is notorious for its poor environmental practices and there are so many ways to get red, from organic pollutants to heavy metal salts to industrial dyes and coloring agents. The "Golden Watercourse" has run golden for many thousands of years, the chance of a sudden color shift not the result of human intervention (read dumping) though possible is vanishingly remote.

    A similar event along the Yangtze happened in February of 2008 when the river ran red and authorities found large amounts of Ammonium Nitrate and Metal Permanganates.

    A large number of folks talk about the advantages for business and society of not having to tow strict environmental laws and regulations. The advantages for business are clear, society as a whole, not so much. China is a good place to look at what happens when people do as they please. The results are sometime ugly and other times full on disasters.

  24. Re:news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Great, another dumb FSM heretic. You can run but you can't hide, She will punish you for your beliefs and you'll never see her coming!

  25. Re:Moderation... by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    Is there a reason Roman is getting trounced?

    Probably his reputation. To some people mod points are a weapon to use on their "foes", I don't agree with roman_mir 99.9% of the time he opens his mouth about politics, but there is always a lot more to a person than their political opinions. Down modding his interesting and on-topic post above is just petty vindictiveness from someone he has offended in the past. Slashdot really isn't that much different to a village in the dark ages, some people get noticed more because of what they regularly talk about. If you're one of these people, (as roman is), and your opinions are unpopular with the wrong people, they will try and hound you out of "their" village. Meta-moderation is intended to smooth this out but it usually doesn't happen until after the post has gone cold.

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  26. Re:news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ya, except it isn't.

    Theism is the belief in a god. The A, means no or not. I don't believe, I'm not making a statement for or against.

    A philatelist is a stamp collector. I am an 'Aphilatelist'. Am I making any type of assertion of a negative?

    Of course there is a difference, I can actually see stamps. Kinda helps with the credibility. That and no one is killing anyone else over invisible stamps.

  27. Free enterprise will pick the right color... by krups+gusto · · Score: 2

    ... for the river.

  28. Re:news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It appears you don't even understand your position. As an a-theist, it isn't that you don't believe in god, you believe there is no god, otherwise you would be an agnostic. Atheism takes a position, one which cannot be based on knowledge*, which renders it belief.

    That and no one is killing anyone else over invisible stamps.

    You flatter yourself based on mistaken belief.

    League of Militant Atheists

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    * ~ 10^11 galaxies in the universe . . . no God anywhere? Really? You know this?

  29. Re:news! by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're another idiot in the long list of those who conflate two non-exclusive terms. Atheism vs antitheism.

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  30. Re:Just do you know... by Genda · · Score: 2

    In reply...
    1. The Han River is a tributary fork of the Yangtze, what you see on the Han, you see on the Yangtze shortly there after.
    2. I beg your pardon, Permanganates can range anywhere from deep purple to red depending on the metal, and this didn't have to be an identical dumping, Iron oxides, certain lead compounds (already responsible for colorful pollution on smaller rivers), even cinnabar (mercury sulphate) could color water red. I mention in the first paragraph we could be looking at any one of a number of industrial effluents that could produce this result. Some of the organic dyes (especially the concentrated oil based dyes) might produce a suspension and even a small amount could color a tremendous amount of water. Geologist working on glaciers melting use such dye and their capacity to color water can exceed tens, even hundreds of millions to one. Just last year powerful dyes were illegally dumped in the Jian River through storm drainage.
    3. Water pollutants fall into large groups, some of which are soluble, many not. That said, most of the non-soluble would for emulsions and not suspensions.

    There are also a group of geologists who are suggesting a recent earthquake upstream may have released a significant amount of vermiculated (iron oxide rich) clay into the river, so I will concede the possibility that this is a natural event predicated on a sequence of events that together would occur very rarely.