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Intel Unveils 10-Watt Haswell Chip
adeelarshad82 writes "At IDF, Intel announced the company's fourth-generation Core processor code-named Haswell. The chip is based off of the same 22nm process used in the current third-generation Core products. What makes this chip remarkably different from the third-generation chips is its ability to product twice the graphic capabilities at a much lower power consumption, which Intel has achieved by making use of a number of tactics."
HotHardware has video of Haswell running a 3D benchmark.
Intel's top Atom chips have a 10W TDP. Of course the chipset/RAM also play a large factor, but still -- this is an amazingly frugal CPU
So wait, is this only about the graphics part inside the CPU or what?
Who cares about that graphics part inside the CPU. Useful for a laptop maybe, but for the real stuff you need an actual graphics card.
Intel's Statement was that it could produce similar results as Ivy Bridge at half the power consumption OR around twice the power at the same power consumption as Ivy Bridge's built in chip.
Which is still pretty good all considered.
Welcome to the world of the supersmall. As real as software, and just as hard to impress when going, "see this".
Shai Schticks:"You don't make peace with friends, you make peace with enemies"
Intel has laid its share of rotten eggs, but for the past few years they seem to "get it" relative to the technology market. Consumers want lower power consumption, small form factor, and hardware acceleration for mobile access to Internet services. Companies want higher core density per physical chip, lower power consumption, and virtualization to better deliver services to the Internet. If Intel delivers the best products for each segment of that ecosystem, they have a bright future ahead of them.
When you consider that the x86 uses 3x the power, but can run a benchmark such as multithreaded linpack 1000x faster, it suddenly seems like we're getting ripped off by these ARM processors.
In reality, this processor consumes 20x less (I assume that means 1/20th) power of the current Ivy Bridges. I presume that's under normal use. It's a huge win for laptops.
I accidentally went into the article and near the bottom they mention an i7 powered coke machine. Now that's bloat.
Intel is not doing any better, from what I remember minefield is pretty much on par with ARM chips. The relationship between power consumption and performance is not linear. If you could linearly scale down I'm sure intel would release a chip that has the power envelope of an ARM chip but is 333.3x faster.
It looks like based on what we're seeing from intel's plan for Haswell, the upgrade path for those on SandyBridge-E is going to be Xeon going forward.
According to anandtech.com, the '20x lower power' statistic is only a reference to the chip's idle power state, not while it's under any sort of processing load.
Perhaps you're talking about medfield. I'm talking about i7's.
That depends if you want systems that run everyday workloads or benchmarks. Intel builds processors that generate impressive computational benchmarks, ARM processors are aimed at power and build-cost benchmarks. Deal with it.
So how many mips? How many mflops can it do? IBM's $77000 mainframe can do 29 MIPS. Their top of the line does like 780 MIPS.
Can it do more than that???? Go on, can it beat a computer costing millions of dollars, that runs at 5GHZ!!
The only reason you have microprocessors of any kind is because Intel invented them.
Or Gilbert Hyatt if you believe the story.
Shai Schticks:"You don't make peace with friends, you make peace with enemies"
I'm surprised - reading TFA about the launch, they said nothing about the Itanium III? Have they given up on HP?
What I want for my ultimate mobile computing device:
1. Small, lightweight and have physical keyboard
I walk a lot so I want small device that fit comfortably in my backpack (so that's below 7'') and weight less than 1.5(preferrably 1) pound. I'm not all-day mobile warrior so I can live with cramped keyboard but after testing my wife's galaxy s2 touch keyboard I decided I DO NEED a physical keyboard for typing documents/playing games(like nethack, old dosbox compatible games).
2. MS application/IE compatiblity
I need to do business with MS office documents and MS IE only internet banking/payment processing. Libreoffice is not good enough if you have to edit/exchange MS office documents with other business entity(and that stupid and powerful entity is stubborn enough that it want genuine MS office docs only and complain slightest of incompatibility problems)
3. Very low power
10W - It will still need fan or huge heatsink. Moving part/high power is not good for longivity/ruggedness let alone battery life. My estimate is that you'll have to go below 2W to acheive compact & sleek design without fan/huge heatsink - Yes atom Z5XX do that and I have one now.
4. usable graphic core without fsckup.
I need graphic core that supports linux well and play angry bird. PVR core in atom don't support either. Even their xp driver don't support basic opengl well enough.
5. Support basic net tools/secure net connection I feel comfortable
I want to redirect all normal net connection via VPN using my secure home base using openvpn when I connect to untrusted/public wifi. I believe that is reasonably achievable(without heavy source modifying/manually recompliling) with only linux/winxp~7 for now. And I hate OS that don't support basic net tools.
6. Trusted application that I know What it is doing.
I don't want application that does unknown things behind my back(leaking private info for whatever reason or doing net connection I don't want it to do). So I prefer well known/open source apps and become skeptical on many android/google apps.
If you go ultrabook route, you can acheive 2,4,5,6 for now.
If you go atom route, you can achieve 1,2,3,5,6 for now. Currently I've settled for this.
If you go arm based smartphone/pad route, you can achive 1(depends on device),3,4,may be 5 (if you rooted your phone/pad) for now.
With WINRT device, may be you'll be able to achieve 1,2,3,4.
Of course things are changing so somewhere in future may be you could do things with a platform that counldn't do for now(compatibilty/standard compliance got better,intel finally make 2w non-atom processor/drop FSCKING pvr core from atom, better performance to run emulation comfortably, corporation changes their mind about privacy...). So I think it is the race between platforms which acheives the most within reasonable time.
Happy to know that bay trail platform finally drops PVR graphics core. Hope that some manufacturer produces small factor platform that I want in 2013.
As any other owner of that orphaned Intel chipset, I'll never buy another Intel integrated video solution. Even if they manage to get their power consumption below competitive ARM SoC, I will still not get that crap. The GMA500 disaster showed how much Intel cares for end users after selling them the hardware. So it is interesting they managed to reduce power consumption so much, but my netbooks are still going to be AMD, my tablets and phones are ARM possibly with NVidia's Tegra chipset. Intel will have to do a lot more to convince me to try their solutions again.
I prefer to assume that 20x less means that its power draw is minus nineteen times that of the other architecture.
Mathematics is not a language for which slang and colloquialisms can become official, valid statements.
yeah, you're so cool and not like a lamer at all with your swearing and insults.
As a mathematician, such a statement is perfectly clear and unambiguous to me. I think the problem might just be with you and a small number of other people.
Depends what for, really... Office, web and HD video? Nope, they're pretty good at that - so good, in fact, that I don't buy machines with dedicated graphics cards unless I'm planning on playing games
So if someone buys a laptop for "Office, web and HD video" and later decides to try games, what should he do? Buy another computer? Whatever happened to buying something that will grow with your requirements?
Why can't you have the integrated graphics render most things, and your games/cad software using a discrete card when they need it?
Because until a couple weeks ago, NVIDIA refused to make that technique (which it calls Optimus) possible on a GNU/Linux operating system.
If you go with Intel instead of some other embedded processor [for a vending machine], and for many units, I'm sure they'd cut you a deal. Your programmers will be cheaper too
How exactly are C++ programmers for ARM on something like a Raspberry Pi board cheaper than C++ programmers for x86 platforms?
MS IE only internet banking
Other banks exist.
I need graphic core that supports linux well and play angry bird. PVR core in atom don't support either.
Since when are PC makers still using GMA 500 (the PowerVR core) in new Atom netbooks? I thought they had all switched to four-digit GMAs, which have working drivers in Ubuntu.
When are people going to learn that you cannot criticize /. staff without them retaliating like this?
Doesn't anyone remember Michael Sims?
If the device doesn't meet your requirements, look for one that does.
Which is difficult if one is still making payments on the device that no longer meets one's expanded requirements, or if someone else controls the purse-strings for a household or business and fails to appreciate the expanded requirements. It's also difficult in a case where price, performance, and size are in a "pick two" relationship.
So most of the time, the processor is idle. The rest of the time, it's doing processing 1000x faster than an ARM CPU. Given that current mobile CPUs use somewhere around 60-70W under full load, this bodes well as the x86 processors are doing a lot more work for only about 10x the load power draw. When idle, the cpus draw far less.