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WD Builds High-Capacity, Helium-Filled HDDs

Lucas123 writes "Western Digital subsidiary HGST today announced that after 10 years of development it is preparing to release 3.5-in data center-class HDDs that are hermetically sealed with helium inside. The helium reduces drag and wind turbulence created by the spinning platters, all but eliminating track misregistration that has become a major issue to increasing drive density in recent years. Because of that, HGST will be able to add two more platters along with increasing the tracks per inch, which results in a 40% capacity increase. The drives will also use 23% less power because of the reduction of friction on the spindle. HGST said the new seven-platter helium drives will weigh 29% less per terabyte of capacity that today's five-platter drives. In other words, a seven-platter helium disk will weigh 690 grams, the same as today's five-platter drives."

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  1. Why not a vacuum by suso · · Score: 5, Informative

    Those of you wondering why they don't just use a vacuum inside the drive. Hard drive heads ride on a cusion of air (or in this case, a gas of some kind) so that they don't crash against the drive.

    1. Re:Why not a vacuum by suso · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I meant against the platter.

    2. Re:Why not a vacuum by xynopsis · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hard drive heads ride on a cusion of air (or in this case, a gas of some kind) so that they don't crash against the drive.

      Why a gas? Why not float it using an electromagnet instead?

    3. Re:Why not a vacuum by nschubach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wouldn't that be like strapping an eraser to the end of your pencil so anything you write will be cushioned by the soft rubber?

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    4. Re:Why not a vacuum by Pepebuho · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, this means that NOW I can submerge reliably the whole PC into Mineral Oil without fear of oil getting into the only moving part, the hard drive. Can't wait to try this out!

    5. Re:Why not a vacuum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not only that, but after the helium migrates through the pores in the metal housing, the heads will crash! Physically programmed disk death!

    6. Re:Why not a vacuum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm pretty sure the correct response was "WOOSH"

    7. Re:Why not a vacuum by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Schrodinger's troll?

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    8. Re:Why not a vacuum by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't worry, scrote. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives. My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now.

    9. Re:Why not a vacuum by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Not only that, but after the helium migrates through the pores in the metal housing, the heads will crash! Physically programmed disk death!"

      Well, it's still better than their past efforts. The hydrogen-filled drives worked just great, until they got to New Jersey. Then they exploded.

    10. Re:Why not a vacuum by jiteo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Technically, it's "woosh" in lower case, because the joke was riding on a thin cushion of air, and therefore not making much noise.

    11. Re:Why not a vacuum by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

      With these new helium filled drives, the "whoosh" would be in a high-pitched, squeaky voice.

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    12. Re:Why not a vacuum by jd2112 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If I was taken to New Jersey I would explode too.

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    13. Re:Why not a vacuum by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's lower case, but "weeeesh". They're using helium, now. Didn't you read the article?

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    14. Re:Why not a vacuum by swalve · · Score: 3, Informative

      They still float, just on a microscopic level.

    15. Re:Why not a vacuum by rwise2112 · · Score: 3, Funny

      With these new helium filled drives, the "whoosh" would be in a high-pitched, squeaky voice.

      And... How will my MP3s sound on one of these drives?

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  2. Disaster by darkpixel2k · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just imagine something like this with a huge 'WD' logo on the side inside your computer.

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    1. Re:Disaster by netdigger · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes yes, you have to watch out for that non explosive helium.

    2. Re:Disaster by darkpixel2k · · Score: 5, Funny

      *facepalm*
      *hands over nerd card*

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    3. Re:Disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Argon walks into a bar. An alarm goes off and the bartender yells "Hey, we don't serve your kind here!" Argon, of course, didn't react.

    4. Re:Disaster by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, you good-naturedly admitted your facepalm moment.

      You may keep your card, good sir.

    5. Re:Disaster by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes. In chemists' jargon, "oxidation" is the process of giving away electrons. The process is named after the most common electron recipient, oxygen, but lots of molecules can be oxidizers.

      Or to put it another way, if I mix hydrogen with oxygen, and you mix it with chlorine, and we both add a spark, we'll get pretty much the same effect. Either way, there'll be a tremendous bang, and neither of us will have any eyebrows. Of course, after a few deep breaths, your nose might start bleeding as hydrochloric acid eats your mucous membranes, but that's a separate issue.

  3. But the cost? by sandytaru · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is this going to be cheaper than SSD? The price point for solid state finally reached where platter drives were about ten years ago (a dollar or less a gig) and I installed one on my system just last week as my OS drive. Also, are these going to be significantly faster than the standard five platter density drives? Frankly, weight only matters in tablets, phones, and laptops. I'm not aware of any crushing weight problems in the steel server racks...

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    1. Re:But the cost? by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Informative

      Is this going to be cheaper than SSD?

      Yes, of course. Only a tiny amount of helium is used.

      Also, are these going to be significantly faster than the standard five platter density drives?

      As usual for density increases, transfer rate goes up, seek time is unchanged. Moving disks even further into the role formerly occupied by tape. Maybe the reduced friction (= less heat) could make 10K drives more practical, improving seek time but probably also being a boutique product squeezed between SSD and 72k disks, and thus expensive.

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    2. Re:But the cost? by vux984 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Reduced friction and reduced turbulence might enable higher seek times.

      By higher I meant better, which in the case of seek times is of course lower.

    3. Re:But the cost? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Funny

      Reduced friction and reduced turbulence might enable higher seek times.

      By higher I meant better, which in the case of seek times is of course lower.

      That's what she said.

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  4. Only one problem by wcrowe · · Score: 5, Funny

    These disks are great except when you replay audio files the vocalists sound like munchkins.

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  5. Re:This explains it! by slashmydots · · Score: 4, Informative

    In case anyone didn't get that, there's a worldwide helium shortage at the moment.

  6. Scarce(r) resource by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What about the impending Helium shortage?

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/med-tech/why-is-there-a-helium-shortage-10031229

    1. Re:Scarce(r) resource by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You got the last apple of earth on your hand with no means to cultivate... What you do?

      Reformat it and install Debian.

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    2. Re:Scarce(r) resource by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

      Funnies aside, not a good idea. High purity hydrogen makes many metal alloys brittle. Helium works so well because it's ideal gas that doesn't chemically react with almost anything.

      Then how about Argon, Krypton, or Neon?

      Nope. It doesn't react with any of those either.

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  7. Done 40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Helium was used as a lubricant in fixed head disk drives in the late 60's.
    They had to keep a tank of it attached since it is very difficult to keep it from leaking out.
    How, exactly, are they going to keep the Helium from leaking out?

    1. Re:Done 40 years ago by xlsior · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that helium molecules are so small, they slowly leak out of pretty much any 'sealed' container?

    2. Re:Done 40 years ago by wierd_w · · Score: 3, Informative

      Good question. Helium atoms are so small that they can escape through tiny cracks between metal grain boundries in metals. Normal air does not. The only thing I can think is that they used some kind of penetrating sealant.

    3. Re:Done 40 years ago by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps they sealed the drives with more helium.

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    4. Re:Done 40 years ago by marcansoft · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What would replace the helium atoms? If the case is rigid, and the pressure inside is equal to atmospheric pressure, and air can't diffuse back in since O2 and N2 molecules are larger, I expect that pressure alone will heep the helium from leaking significantly.

    5. Re:Done 40 years ago by EdIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Small price to pay for increased capacity and decreased volume per unit of capacity per disk.

      Until it is all gone, or $10k for a recharge instead of $1.

      There is a world wide helium shortage and a bunch of morons administrating the reserves. Average person just does not know, and why would they? We have been wasting it in balloons for most people's lives.

      Barring a massive increase in technology, it is a completely nonrenewable resource. Unless you look at it in geological time frames, and even then, the planet only has so much.

      By the time I retire MRI machines might cost several more times to operate just because of the helium costs alone....

    6. Re:Done 40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, he's thinking of helium. Helium is monoatomic and hydrogen is diatomic. A single atom of helium is smaller and leaks more easily than a two-atom molecule of hydrogen. Helium is the most difficult gas to contain. It will seep through solid steel.

    7. Re:Done 40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      Partial pressure From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

      Gases will always flow from a region of higher partial pressure to one of lower pressure; the larger this difference, the faster the flow.

      In other words, the O2 and N2 will have no effect on the H2 diffusing out.

    8. Re:Done 40 years ago by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Pressure in a sealed container is not constant, and gas does not pressurize uniformly.

      This means localized pressure fronts caused by the rotating platters will push molecules out, as will thermal expansion from drive activity.

      Over time, the pressure inside the drive will drop below that of ambient pressure. This will cause "air bearing" failure, and drive failure.

      (To better imagine this, imagine the spinning platter as a slingshot, pushing on the helium, and shoving it against the walls of the sealed enclosure. If this local pressure is greater than outside pressure, then the helium will be forced outside the enclosure. The energy of the plater displaces the equilibrium.)

    9. Re:Done 40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Pressure does not work that way. This is a standard thermodynamics brainteaser. The helium will diffuse out until the partial pressure inside equals the partial pressure outside (which is zero). The partial pressures of other gases on either side of the diffusion membrane are irrelevant.

  8. Not the first by dsgrntlxmply · · Score: 5, Informative

    These drives are not the first. Circa 1969, Digital Development Corporation of San Diego sold a line of head-per-track disks that used a helium atmosphere. A typical unit took around 24 inches vertical height in a 19-inch rack. Given the difficulties of sealing anything against helium leakage, these drives required a small helium cylinder and pressure regulator to maintain a small positive pressure within the enclosure, and had a pop-off valve to vent excess pressure. The electronics consisted of about a dozen circuit cards built with discrete transistors. The capacities of these units were amusingly small by modern standards: the first one that I had direct experience with, held something like 128K bytes.

  9. Sure they weigh less by countach · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sure they weigh less, because they are filled with helium. But when the servers start lifting off the ground and floating off, they might have to rethink this idea.

    1. Re:Sure they weigh less by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well shit! My data is already in the cloud. What difference would it make anyways?

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    2. Re:Sure they weigh less by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      These hard drives are obviously made for cloud storage.

  10. Re:This explains it! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Likely to be a permanent condition.

    Helium is light enough that it doesn't persist very well in the atmosphere(unlike the heavier noble gasses, that you can just distill out if the price gets high enough to pay for the energy needed), and it is only replenished quite slowly by alpha decay of assorted radioactives in the crust.

    The only significant source is natural gas wells in proximity to suitable minerals over geologic time and equipped to capture the helium when the product is brought to the surface.

  11. Not to worry, monitor indicator. by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    anyone buying these need to ask what happens when the helium inevitably leaks out...

    No worries; when the balloon attached to the side is half-full you know it's time to replace the drive and then find a child to give the balloon to.

    Or if you are not in a hurry take the drive in to any Party Center USA store for a free refill.

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  12. Re:Helium shortage by PPH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There shouldn't be. Its a by-product of natural gas production. And what with the way that is growing, the supply coming out of the ground should be increasing as well.

    If there is a shortage, the price should go up. And the gas producers will happily invest in the recovery equipment needed.

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  13. Re:This explains it! by glueball · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Liquid Helium sell for $8.00/L on the wholesale quantity market.
    It is still very, very cheap.

    Last fill on my MRI machine was 800L due to cold head failure. Lucky me I have a service policy, but still, that's a big use of Helium. I would not worry about your Helium balloon.

    Bill
     

  14. Secondary advantage to helium by pjwhite · · Score: 4, Informative

    Another advantage of using a drive filled with helium is better thermal conductivity than air (0.142 vs 0.024) . The heat generated by the inner workings of the drive will be conducted to the outer case, keeping the inside cooler.

  15. Not necessarily by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to Wiki, for half a century the US Constitution was hermetically sealed inside a glass container with helium.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_seal

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  16. Re:This explains it! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Likely to be a permanent condition."

    Well, you can thank the U.S. government for that.

    We used to have the world's largest helium supply, by far, in the U.S. Strategic Helium Reserve, until the government decided to do away with it just a few years ago.

    And now there is a shortage. Imagine that.

  17. Re:Low pressure to prevent leaks? by Kaz+Kylheku · · Score: 4, Informative

    Look up partial pressure in some physics book. If you have gas in some leaky container at some pressure, it doesn't matter that there is another gas at another pressure outside of that container. Even if the different gases are at equal pressure, what will happen is that each will diffuse into the other through the aperture. That diffusion depends just on the respective partial pressures.

    Helium at a lower pressure does not face an uphill battle due to the excess pressure outside of the container. It just diffuses through the apertures in the imperfect containers at a lower rate due to its lower pressure.

    What would slow down the leak would be if there was helium on the outside at the same pressure, because then there would be as much helium diffusing into the container as diffusing out. But there is very little helium outside the hard drive, it being such a rare gas.

    I think that if the apertures in the leaky container are such that helium can escape, but air cannot get in, then in fact the container will slowly evacuate. Pressure in that container will gradually drop as helium escapes, while hardly any finds its way back in.