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WD Builds High-Capacity, Helium-Filled HDDs

Lucas123 writes "Western Digital subsidiary HGST today announced that after 10 years of development it is preparing to release 3.5-in data center-class HDDs that are hermetically sealed with helium inside. The helium reduces drag and wind turbulence created by the spinning platters, all but eliminating track misregistration that has become a major issue to increasing drive density in recent years. Because of that, HGST will be able to add two more platters along with increasing the tracks per inch, which results in a 40% capacity increase. The drives will also use 23% less power because of the reduction of friction on the spindle. HGST said the new seven-platter helium drives will weigh 29% less per terabyte of capacity that today's five-platter drives. In other words, a seven-platter helium disk will weigh 690 grams, the same as today's five-platter drives."

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  1. Why not a vacuum by suso · · Score: 5, Informative

    Those of you wondering why they don't just use a vacuum inside the drive. Hard drive heads ride on a cusion of air (or in this case, a gas of some kind) so that they don't crash against the drive.

    1. Re:Why not a vacuum by suso · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I meant against the platter.

    2. Re:Why not a vacuum by xynopsis · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hard drive heads ride on a cusion of air (or in this case, a gas of some kind) so that they don't crash against the drive.

      Why a gas? Why not float it using an electromagnet instead?

    3. Re:Why not a vacuum by mrbester · · Score: 2

      Not sure if trolling...

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    4. Re:Why not a vacuum by nschubach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wouldn't that be like strapping an eraser to the end of your pencil so anything you write will be cushioned by the soft rubber?

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    5. Re:Why not a vacuum by Pepebuho · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, this means that NOW I can submerge reliably the whole PC into Mineral Oil without fear of oil getting into the only moving part, the hard drive. Can't wait to try this out!

    6. Re:Why not a vacuum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not only that, but after the helium migrates through the pores in the metal housing, the heads will crash! Physically programmed disk death!

    7. Re:Why not a vacuum by Galestar · · Score: 2

      Magnets, how to they work?

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    8. Re:Why not a vacuum by EdIII · · Score: 2

      Man, if you were fishing for Wooshes......

    9. Re:Why not a vacuum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, that was the fucking point of the joke.

    10. Re:Why not a vacuum by cplusplus · · Score: 2

      Successful Troll was successful. :)

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    11. Re:Why not a vacuum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm pretty sure the correct response was "WOOSH"

    12. Re:Why not a vacuum by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Schrodinger's troll?

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    13. Re:Why not a vacuum by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't worry, scrote. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives. My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now.

    14. Re:Why not a vacuum by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Not only that, but after the helium migrates through the pores in the metal housing, the heads will crash! Physically programmed disk death!"

      Well, it's still better than their past efforts. The hydrogen-filled drives worked just great, until they got to New Jersey. Then they exploded.

    15. Re:Why not a vacuum by jiteo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Technically, it's "woosh" in lower case, because the joke was riding on a thin cushion of air, and therefore not making much noise.

    16. Re:Why not a vacuum by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

      With these new helium filled drives, the "whoosh" would be in a high-pitched, squeaky voice.

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    17. Re:Why not a vacuum by jd2112 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If I was taken to New Jersey I would explode too.

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    18. Re:Why not a vacuum by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's lower case, but "weeeesh". They're using helium, now. Didn't you read the article?

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    19. Re:Why not a vacuum by swalve · · Score: 3, Informative

      They still float, just on a microscopic level.

    20. Re:Why not a vacuum by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      actually, I came here to woosh for fishes.

      is this the wrong place for that, then?

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    21. Re:Why not a vacuum by ka9dgx · · Score: 2

      That was my second thought... right after "how are they going to keep the helium from leaking out?"

      Yes, we all know the data is stored magnetically, but the amount of lift required to keep a head spaced off a spinning disk shouldn't require much in terms of field strength, especially if things are fairly well balanced. It would be distributed over a large enough area that you wouldn't have to worry about erasing domains.

      Carbon fiber reinforced disks, in a vacuum, floating on a magnetic bearing, in a stack of 30 or so platters spinning at 1million rpm would be able to store a hell of a lot of power and data at the same time.

      Secure erase would be easy... just let the bearing crash. ;-)

    22. Re:Why not a vacuum by quenda · · Score: 2

      Aren't jokes supposed to resemble... you know, a joke?

      I'm sorry, but slashdot does not have a laugh track. We like it that way,

    23. Re:Why not a vacuum by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 2

      No. The mu metal around those magnets does that. That stuff is awesome. It "bends" the low frequency EM fields. If you ever have a harddisk magnet with the mu metal bracket you can see it for yourself: the magnet side will stick to ferrometals, the mu metal side doesn't.

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    24. Re:Why not a vacuum by damien_kane · · Score: 2

      Can an SSD dive in insulating oil without causing long-term damage to it?

      No more than the ICs on the motherboard or video card you submerged

    25. Re:Why not a vacuum by rwise2112 · · Score: 3, Funny

      With these new helium filled drives, the "whoosh" would be in a high-pitched, squeaky voice.

      And... How will my MP3s sound on one of these drives?

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    26. Re:Why not a vacuum by shaitand · · Score: 2

      They can't permanently contain helium so it naturally leaks out of the drives over time and guarantees they eventually break. If they made magnetic bearings and vacuum work the drives would last too long.

    27. Re:Why not a vacuum by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, but slashdot does not have a laugh track. We like it that way,

      No way. And what about those +5 Funnies?

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  2. Disaster by darkpixel2k · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just imagine something like this with a huge 'WD' logo on the side inside your computer.

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    1. Re:Disaster by netdigger · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes yes, you have to watch out for that non explosive helium.

    2. Re:Disaster by darkpixel2k · · Score: 5, Funny

      *facepalm*
      *hands over nerd card*

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    3. Re:Disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Argon walks into a bar. An alarm goes off and the bartender yells "Hey, we don't serve your kind here!" Argon, of course, didn't react.

    4. Re:Disaster by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, you good-naturedly admitted your facepalm moment.

      You may keep your card, good sir.

    5. Re:Disaster by Richy_T · · Score: 2

      Oh the humanity(-student level understanding of science)

    6. Re:Disaster by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes. In chemists' jargon, "oxidation" is the process of giving away electrons. The process is named after the most common electron recipient, oxygen, but lots of molecules can be oxidizers.

      Or to put it another way, if I mix hydrogen with oxygen, and you mix it with chlorine, and we both add a spark, we'll get pretty much the same effect. Either way, there'll be a tremendous bang, and neither of us will have any eyebrows. Of course, after a few deep breaths, your nose might start bleeding as hydrochloric acid eats your mucous membranes, but that's a separate issue.

  3. Headline: by mhajicek · · Score: 2

    New Helium filled drives weigh less!

  4. This explains it! by billakay · · Score: 2

    So that is where all the Helium has gone...

    1. Re:This explains it! by slashmydots · · Score: 4, Informative

      In case anyone didn't get that, there's a worldwide helium shortage at the moment.

    2. Re:This explains it! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Likely to be a permanent condition.

      Helium is light enough that it doesn't persist very well in the atmosphere(unlike the heavier noble gasses, that you can just distill out if the price gets high enough to pay for the energy needed), and it is only replenished quite slowly by alpha decay of assorted radioactives in the crust.

      The only significant source is natural gas wells in proximity to suitable minerals over geologic time and equipped to capture the helium when the product is brought to the surface.

    3. Re:This explains it! by RicktheBrick · · Score: 2

      If there is a shortage why are they still selling helium filled balloons at dollar tree for a dollar? All those balloons will eventually pop and the helium will be lost into outer space.

    4. Re:This explains it! by glueball · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Liquid Helium sell for $8.00/L on the wholesale quantity market.
      It is still very, very cheap.

      Last fill on my MRI machine was 800L due to cold head failure. Lucky me I have a service policy, but still, that's a big use of Helium. I would not worry about your Helium balloon.

      Bill
       

    5. Re:This explains it! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Likely to be a permanent condition."

      Well, you can thank the U.S. government for that.

      We used to have the world's largest helium supply, by far, in the U.S. Strategic Helium Reserve, until the government decided to do away with it just a few years ago.

      And now there is a shortage. Imagine that.

  5. But the cost? by sandytaru · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is this going to be cheaper than SSD? The price point for solid state finally reached where platter drives were about ten years ago (a dollar or less a gig) and I installed one on my system just last week as my OS drive. Also, are these going to be significantly faster than the standard five platter density drives? Frankly, weight only matters in tablets, phones, and laptops. I'm not aware of any crushing weight problems in the steel server racks...

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    1. Re:But the cost? by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Informative

      Is this going to be cheaper than SSD?

      Yes, of course. Only a tiny amount of helium is used.

      Also, are these going to be significantly faster than the standard five platter density drives?

      As usual for density increases, transfer rate goes up, seek time is unchanged. Moving disks even further into the role formerly occupied by tape. Maybe the reduced friction (= less heat) could make 10K drives more practical, improving seek time but probably also being a boutique product squeezed between SSD and 72k disks, and thus expensive.

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    2. Re:But the cost? by vux984 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Reduced friction and reduced turbulence might enable higher seek times.

      By higher I meant better, which in the case of seek times is of course lower.

    3. Re:But the cost? by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Reduced friction and reduced turbulence might enable higher seek times.

      Slightly faster seek times as there's less, err, air resistance that the heads have to oppose. Unfortuantely, they added two platters which means the seek arm has nearly 40% more mass. More mass means more inertia, which means the heads are harder to start and stop quickly, which probably more than compensates for the reduction due to air resistance. It could seek *slower*, too.

    4. Re:But the cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Weight matters in the datacenter too... Drives are probably the densest component in a rack. A fully populated rack can easily weigh over 2000lbs (900KG for people who use a sane system of measurement). A well managed datacenter (and competent sysadmins) should include consideration of the structural load (on the building), point loads (particularly on raised floors), and weight in transit. After you've done a few datacenter moves, you begin to think of things like the weight limit on elevators, truck lift-gates, ramps leading to a raised-floor facility, etc.

    5. Re:But the cost? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Funny

      Reduced friction and reduced turbulence might enable higher seek times.

      By higher I meant better, which in the case of seek times is of course lower.

      That's what she said.

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    6. Re:But the cost? by BCoates · · Score: 2

      Affordable SSDs are a year away but you have your time axis backwards.

      Price-point sized SSDs are more like $0.90/GB right now. The expensive intel 520s are $1.25/GB at 240 and 480 GB sizes.

      500GB for $200 isn't here yet but prices have been steadily crashing towards it for years.

  6. Only one problem by wcrowe · · Score: 5, Funny

    These disks are great except when you replay audio files the vocalists sound like munchkins.

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  7. Scarce(r) resource by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What about the impending Helium shortage?

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/med-tech/why-is-there-a-helium-shortage-10031229

    1. Re:Scarce(r) resource by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You got the last apple of earth on your hand with no means to cultivate... What you do?

      Reformat it and install Debian.

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    2. Re:Scarce(r) resource by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

      Then how about Argon, Krypton, or Neon?

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    3. Re:Scarce(r) resource by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

      Funnies aside, not a good idea. High purity hydrogen makes many metal alloys brittle. Helium works so well because it's ideal gas that doesn't chemically react with almost anything.

      Then how about Argon, Krypton, or Neon?

      Nope. It doesn't react with any of those either.

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  8. Done 40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Helium was used as a lubricant in fixed head disk drives in the late 60's.
    They had to keep a tank of it attached since it is very difficult to keep it from leaking out.
    How, exactly, are they going to keep the Helium from leaking out?

    1. Re:Done 40 years ago by AwesomeMcgee · · Score: 2

      Fear: a terror level warning of paisley is on the side of each one permanently ensuring the helium will never risk leaving.

    2. Re:Done 40 years ago by xlsior · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that helium molecules are so small, they slowly leak out of pretty much any 'sealed' container?

    3. Re:Done 40 years ago by wierd_w · · Score: 3, Informative

      Good question. Helium atoms are so small that they can escape through tiny cracks between metal grain boundries in metals. Normal air does not. The only thing I can think is that they used some kind of penetrating sealant.

    4. Re:Done 40 years ago by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps they sealed the drives with more helium.

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    5. Re:Done 40 years ago by marcansoft · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What would replace the helium atoms? If the case is rigid, and the pressure inside is equal to atmospheric pressure, and air can't diffuse back in since O2 and N2 molecules are larger, I expect that pressure alone will heep the helium from leaking significantly.

    6. Re:Done 40 years ago by EdIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Small price to pay for increased capacity and decreased volume per unit of capacity per disk.

      Until it is all gone, or $10k for a recharge instead of $1.

      There is a world wide helium shortage and a bunch of morons administrating the reserves. Average person just does not know, and why would they? We have been wasting it in balloons for most people's lives.

      Barring a massive increase in technology, it is a completely nonrenewable resource. Unless you look at it in geological time frames, and even then, the planet only has so much.

      By the time I retire MRI machines might cost several more times to operate just because of the helium costs alone....

    7. Re:Done 40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, he's thinking of helium. Helium is monoatomic and hydrogen is diatomic. A single atom of helium is smaller and leaks more easily than a two-atom molecule of hydrogen. Helium is the most difficult gas to contain. It will seep through solid steel.

    8. Re:Done 40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      Partial pressure From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

      Gases will always flow from a region of higher partial pressure to one of lower pressure; the larger this difference, the faster the flow.

      In other words, the O2 and N2 will have no effect on the H2 diffusing out.

    9. Re:Done 40 years ago by cyborg666 · · Score: 2

      Except that helium molecules are so small, they slowly leak out of pretty much any 'sealed' container?

      Doesn't something have to get in to fill the void? Otherwise there will be a vacuum left inside...

    10. Re:Done 40 years ago by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Pressure in a sealed container is not constant, and gas does not pressurize uniformly.

      This means localized pressure fronts caused by the rotating platters will push molecules out, as will thermal expansion from drive activity.

      Over time, the pressure inside the drive will drop below that of ambient pressure. This will cause "air bearing" failure, and drive failure.

      (To better imagine this, imagine the spinning platter as a slingshot, pushing on the helium, and shoving it against the walls of the sealed enclosure. If this local pressure is greater than outside pressure, then the helium will be forced outside the enclosure. The energy of the plater displaces the equilibrium.)

    11. Re:Done 40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Pressure does not work that way. This is a standard thermodynamics brainteaser. The helium will diffuse out until the partial pressure inside equals the partial pressure outside (which is zero). The partial pressures of other gases on either side of the diffusion membrane are irrelevant.

    12. Re:Done 40 years ago by EdIII · · Score: 2

      It IS valuable.

      Right now it is a tragedy of the commons. Nobody will acknowledge the incredible shortage in the next coming decade and those who have the power over the reserves are basically sticking their heads in the sand. Sales are being pushed against the counsel of those who know better, which results in artificially cheap helium prices. The excuse was reducing the deficit.

      Search Slashdot for some articles. I can't find it, but there was an article on helium policy within the last week in the US.

      In the same fashion as climate science deniers, there are those that are claiming there are hundreds of years left of helium. This conveniently leaves out the cost of actually getting it from the ground.

      Granted, it is assumptions on how much helium is in the ground, but that does not change the facts:

      * limited amount. Not going to be anymore.
      * difficulty in extracting it as a resource.
      * ever increasing demand.

      Unless we change our policies, helium is going to become a vary rare resource, much sooner than you think. Just seems foolish to put it in a balloon and force prices so cheap that we can afford not to recapture the helium off such uses as you mentioned.

    13. Re:Done 40 years ago by FishTankX · · Score: 2

      Let's think about this another way.

      Let's say right now, that a hard disk costs $300 for a 3TB drive. And helium tech allows the same drive to be made, almost free, for a capacity of 4TB. That's probably $100 aditional value seen by the consumer.

      Right now if we say that the hard disk, with a good estimate, has about 10 cubic inches of 40 cubic inches of helium in the drive, and leaks 2 cubic inches per year.

      At current helium prices, the price for a cubic foot of helium as far as I know is about $5. So you're paying $5 for 144 cubic inches of helium. So you're drive costs $5/77 or 10 cents a year to sustain. Let's say the hard drive has an average service life of 10 years.

      That's about a dollar over the lifetime of the hard disk.

      Now, if helium provides proportional gains over the conceivable lifetime of the hard disk technology, helium could go up 50x in price (pushing out MRI, welding, etc...) and STILL provide a massive economic advantage.

      I'd also like to point out that if the average drive leaks 2 cubic inches per year, and 500 million drives are in service, they will consume 0.02% of the world wide helium consumption of 85 million cubic meters per year.

      http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/commodity/helium/heliumcs06.pdf

      Feel free to check/refute my numbers.

  9. Re:They will not be lighter by Desler · · Score: 2

    The lighter weight is due to using thinner platters not the helium.

  10. Not the first by dsgrntlxmply · · Score: 5, Informative

    These drives are not the first. Circa 1969, Digital Development Corporation of San Diego sold a line of head-per-track disks that used a helium atmosphere. A typical unit took around 24 inches vertical height in a 19-inch rack. Given the difficulties of sealing anything against helium leakage, these drives required a small helium cylinder and pressure regulator to maintain a small positive pressure within the enclosure, and had a pop-off valve to vent excess pressure. The electronics consisted of about a dozen circuit cards built with discrete transistors. The capacities of these units were amusingly small by modern standards: the first one that I had direct experience with, held something like 128K bytes.

  11. Sure they weigh less by countach · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sure they weigh less, because they are filled with helium. But when the servers start lifting off the ground and floating off, they might have to rethink this idea.

    1. Re:Sure they weigh less by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well shit! My data is already in the cloud. What difference would it make anyways?

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    2. Re:Sure they weigh less by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      These hard drives are obviously made for cloud storage.

    3. Re:Sure they weigh less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      IBM Power 595 http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/hardware/595/specs.html weighs about 3400 pounds.

      One time, I asked a IBM guy why their servers weigh so much. He replied (jokingly) that if it didn't, all the fans would make it hover.

  12. So When The Helium Leaks Out, Drive Dies? by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 2

    Sure helium could improve performance and be beneficial for some uses, but anyone buying these need to ask what happens when the helium inevitably leaks out...

    To me it looks another example of planned obsolescence at work. Though, perhaps, WD will take the razor blade approach and sell helium refill kits.

  13. Not to worry, monitor indicator. by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    anyone buying these need to ask what happens when the helium inevitably leaks out...

    No worries; when the balloon attached to the side is half-full you know it's time to replace the drive and then find a child to give the balloon to.

    Or if you are not in a hurry take the drive in to any Party Center USA store for a free refill.

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  14. New Meaning by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

    Brings about a whole new meaning to keeping your data "in the cloud," doesn't it?


    OK, so that didn't sound as funny as I thought it would...there's a joke in there somewhere, dammit.

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  15. Re:Helium shortage by PPH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There shouldn't be. Its a by-product of natural gas production. And what with the way that is growing, the supply coming out of the ground should be increasing as well.

    If there is a shortage, the price should go up. And the gas producers will happily invest in the recovery equipment needed.

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  16. Secondary advantage to helium by pjwhite · · Score: 4, Informative

    Another advantage of using a drive filled with helium is better thermal conductivity than air (0.142 vs 0.024) . The heat generated by the inner workings of the drive will be conducted to the outer case, keeping the inside cooler.

  17. Not necessarily by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to Wiki, for half a century the US Constitution was hermetically sealed inside a glass container with helium.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_seal

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  18. I love it. by garyoa1 · · Score: 2

    Now, instead of using a half dozen smaller drives you can use just one. And when it dies you can lose everything at once. No screwing around losing bits and pieces of your files.

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  19. Been there, done that by frovingslosh · · Score: 2

    Yes, I worked in some of those drives (I remember a "big" 10 meg drive) and the helium leakage will be a problem. But not for WD, only for the users. The helium will leak (the damn stuff is tiny and leaks out of anything ), but WD only needs to keep enough inside or the drive to last beyond the absurdly short warranty period. Then the drive self destructs. Good for WD if they manage to keep creating a market for new drives, bad for the customer.

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  20. Re:Great! by Experiment+626 · · Score: 2

    We should save the helium for more critical applications, such as filling up balloons and talking like Munchkins.

  21. Re:Why not ... by PPH · · Score: 2

    Well, after getting up off the floor after a good roll around and laugh, I'll remind myself that HDDs don't contain an internal ignitor. Nor does their firmware support a 'detonate HD' opcode.

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  22. Re:Helium shortage by goodmanj · · Score: 2

    "Its a by-product of natural gas production. And what with the way that is growing, the supply coming out of the ground should be increasing as well."

    Ah-ah-ah! No! Natural gas and helium are formed in two different kind of rocks, but in a traditional natural gas reservoir, there's a dome of cap rock which traps and pools the gas and keeps it from leaking to the surface. The cap traps both natural gas and helium.

    But the growing supply of natural gas in the past few years comes from fracking. There's no cap in a fracked well, just source rock, and so they *won't* produce helium.

  23. One side effect... by jd2112 · · Score: 2

    All of my music files sound like they were recorded by Alvin and the Chipmunks.

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  24. Re:Low pressure to prevent leaks? by Kaz+Kylheku · · Score: 4, Informative

    Look up partial pressure in some physics book. If you have gas in some leaky container at some pressure, it doesn't matter that there is another gas at another pressure outside of that container. Even if the different gases are at equal pressure, what will happen is that each will diffuse into the other through the aperture. That diffusion depends just on the respective partial pressures.

    Helium at a lower pressure does not face an uphill battle due to the excess pressure outside of the container. It just diffuses through the apertures in the imperfect containers at a lower rate due to its lower pressure.

    What would slow down the leak would be if there was helium on the outside at the same pressure, because then there would be as much helium diffusing into the container as diffusing out. But there is very little helium outside the hard drive, it being such a rare gas.

    I think that if the apertures in the leaky container are such that helium can escape, but air cannot get in, then in fact the container will slowly evacuate. Pressure in that container will gradually drop as helium escapes, while hardly any finds its way back in.

  25. Shielded suit,lol. by Grog6 · · Score: 2

    A PET transmission source is Ge-68 or Cs-137, both gamma emitters.

    The 90% shielding thickness in lead is about 3". A 3" thick suit is too heavy to move.

    Add to that problem, the fact that shielding a source imperfectly is bad for you, because of the nature of how shielding works.

    Shielding from gamma photons require a series of scattering collisions with the shielding media, losing energy with each one, usually as x-ray photons or lattice vibrations.

    Low energy photons in the low x-ray region are very likely to be fully absorbed by the body; high energy gammas tend to go right thru you, depositing less energy.

    Tshirt and shorts are also great when you're removing all the gantry covers, too. :)

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  26. Re:However... by mudshark · · Score: 2

    Argon was just showing how noble he was.

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