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Pirate Bay Co-Founder Detained In Sweden

wiredmikey writes "The co-founder of The Pirate Bay filesharing website was detained in Sweden on Friday, days after his deportation from Cambodia, officials said. Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, 27, faces a one-year prison sentence for promoting copyright infringement in his home country. His current detention is for an investigation into his involvement in the hacking of a Swedish IT firm named Logica. He was arrested in the Cambodian capital Phnom Penh on August 30 at Stockholm's behest and expelled late on Monday."

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  1. The Logica hacking ... by bakuun · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... isn't just a matter of hacking a random IT firm as the summary may lead one to believe. The firm in question was a contractor for the government, and was handling a number of important census databases, including personal details about people with "protected identity" (people that live under threat of violence, and the like). Through the hacking, this data was released.

    Considering that he was already wanted for his involvement in the pirate bay, the hacking was an incredibly stupid thing to do.

    1. Re:The Logica hacking ... by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Innocent until proven guilty only in the eyes of the law. So unless I am called to be part of the jury (which is unlikely as I live in different country), I can judge him any way I want. I would not act on it, but I would definitely judge.

    2. Re:The Logica hacking ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sweden does not even have a jury in court, only employed judges (not elected) and lay judges (politically appointed but not publicly elected). We do, however, have laws prohibiting defamation so innocent until proven guilty still applies.

    3. Re:The Logica hacking ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not theft. It's at best copyright infringement. What he did was almost certainly not hacking either. Hacking is the pursuit of knowledge. Unless we are talking about what he was after and not what he did he was not hacking.

    4. Re:The Logica hacking ... by Intropy · · Score: 1

      To sue/convict someone of defamation in Sweden do you have to prove the person isn't telling the truth?

    5. Re:The Logica hacking ... by icebraining · · Score: 1

      From what I can tell, telling the truth is a defense, but the burden of proof lies on the accused. I'm not lawyer nor Swedish, though.

    6. Re:The Logica hacking ... by Intropy · · Score: 1

      Putting the burden of proof on the accused sounds pretty chilling. Where I live you can be tried for defamation, but the burden of proof is on the accuser, and not only is truth a defense, but the accuser has to prove that you either actually knew you were lying or you had no idea one way or the other and just didn't care.

    7. Re:The Logica hacking ... by Type44Q · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...he founders of pirate-bay, deserve what the get - let's not make it political...

      Someone should cut off your head - but let's not make it violent! :)

    8. Re:The Logica hacking ... by Freddybear · · Score: 1

      IANAL but the way I understand it, if you are trying to defend yourself against a claim of defamation by saying that you told the truth, it then becomes your burden to prove that what you said was in fact the truth. Not just something you believed at the time, but actually true in fact.

    9. Re:The Logica hacking ... by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      except that we have no idea whether he has been involved or not. It's ALLEGED .

      Way to show your bias as clear as day there.

    10. Re:The Logica hacking ... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      The burden of proof that you did the defaming lies on the plaintiff. But truth (vertitas) is a defence, and thus the burden to bring it to the court lies with the accused, not the plaintiff.

    11. Re:The Logica hacking ... by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      I understand your point. I have been told in my childhood to not judge people quickly. But I always find knowing how biased you are to be more beneficial (and easier) than try to not judge people. I am of the opinion that everyone is judgmental, irrespective of how hard they try.

      Sorry for going off-topic, but this was worth addressing.

    12. Re:The Logica hacking ... by detritus. · · Score: 1

      There aren't charges, only suspicions. To hold someone and prevent them communicating to anyone (which is preposterous since it's all over the news) just because they may have involvement would never fly in the US. He's being detained for 2 weeks, and they can stretch that out indefinitely.

    13. Re:The Logica hacking ... by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

      All he said is that it is copyright infringement at best. Saying crime a [or civil tort a] != crime b is not saying crime a is ok. I'd defer to my book on discrete mathematics to demonstrate the fallacy in this specific statement. As to your second act - illegal yes - but only criminal past a certain point before which it squarely remains a civil issue.

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  2. Weird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The whole thing is surrounded by weird things. At the same time he arrived in Sweden the (completely) new charge was made public. Also the court hearing was magically timed to occur at exactly the same time as the two journalists that was released from Ethiopia (major event in Sweden), thus hardly no journalists where at Wargs hearing.
    Some swedish newspapers have printed articles about it, but nothing major. They all seem perplexed, and are suspicious about it too. Conspiracies, american interests and so on. I guess Gottfrid will have a really hard time from now on. My guess is that he will not be released for many years.

    1. Re:Weird by mrbester · · Score: 1

      Plus there's the whole deportation business. We all know he broke Cambodia's immigration law, but what did he actually do that was illegal?

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    2. Re:Weird by Intropy · · Score: 1

      He doesn't need to have broken a law in Cambodia. Sweden can't go into Cambodia and drag him out, but there's nothing preventing them from asking Cambodia to expel him. Now, hopefully Cambodia has some standards in place for determining whether they will comply with such a request, like asking for enough evidence to warrant a trial.

    3. Re:Weird by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't breaking Cambodia's immigration law be enough to get deported? I figured that was usually what they did with people who they catch on immigration law issues. It's not like they want them in their own jails, sucking up taxpayer dollars.

    4. Re:Weird by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it is enough to get him deported, but not extradited. The difference is, when you are deported you have the right to go to any country you want to. When being extradited, you are in custody the entire time, and you are forcefully moved to the country you are being extradited to, and handed over to the authorities of the country.

    5. Re:Weird by mrbester · · Score: 1

      And my question remains unanswered. Cambodia says he broke immigration law. What did he do to break it? Does anyone know?

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    6. Re:Weird by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      The difference is, when you are deported you have the right to go to any country you want to.

      I don't know anywhere where you have such a right. If you're being deported, the authorities put you on a plane, it's not your choice what plane you get on. Generally they'll send you back to the country you came from. But if they don't know where that is, they'll send you back to your native country.

    7. Re:Weird by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      The US does - search for choice in this page. I cannot find sources for Cambodia, but from what i hear they do (from what I hear most countries do)

    8. Re:Weird by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      Generally they'll send you back to the country you came from.

      This is worth addressing, so I will post again. I believe you are referring to case where you are refused entry into the country (which is different from deportation). The usual procedure is to send you back to the last port of call (the airline/ship/who_ever_brought_you is responsible for this, often at their own expense)

      PS: IANAL, in case it was clear.

    9. Re:Weird by X.25 · · Score: 2

      Plus there's the whole deportation business. We all know he broke Cambodia's immigration law, but what did he actually do that was illegal?

      Is this a joke?

      Do you think breaking immigration law is not an 'illegal' thing go do?

      Do it in any country, and you'll be deported. There is no mystery there.

  3. Logica isn't Swedish by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 3, Informative

    Logica used to be a UK company, but since 2012 it is owned by the Canadian CGI group

    1. Re:Logica isn't Swedish by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      I was wondering what it's recent history had been. The last time I knew anyone who worked there, it was a UK company. But that was a good few years ago.

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  4. Re:Nothing weird at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1) Debatable. He was already in custody. Sweden does not have any extradition agreements with Cambodia. But things moved _very_ quick this time.
    2) "Real journalists"? Right. Quite a lot of people care about The Pirate Bay, as is evident in the last few years.

    Nonetheless. Why do Sweden take so much care in bringing him home like this? He's been living quite openly in Cambodia for a while. Sweden do not usually act like this. It's not like he's a major threat to, well, anyone.

    Anyhow, speculation is the only thing there is, right now. Let's wait a few weeks and see. I'd bet a fair amount on things going not-that-good, for him.

  5. Piracy keeps me... by future+assassin · · Score: 3, Funny

    from committing more serious crimes to get money to purchase legal overpriced entertainment not including the money I save also keep my children fed. Now you don't want my children to starve or be sold on the black market, do you?

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  6. If he "hacked" an IT firm by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If he did this, then yes he should be paying the penalty as that is a legitimate crime and uncool.. If he just 'promoted piracy' then no he shouldn't be detained, regardless of the 'law' as its a sham.

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  7. Re:i have no problem with it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Em, no in Sweden its not a crime, moron. How dumb are you exaclty that you can't understand that different countries have different legal systems. People feel entitled to infringe copyright as a form of civil disobedience against criminal cartels who bribe corrupt politicians to instigate corrupt persecutions such as the campaign against the Pirate Bay, and to illegally extend copyright indefinitely.
    And just to reiterate moron, the Pirate Bay ripped off exactly nothing, they hosted not a single piece of copyrighted material, they simply provided links, so genius, as an example, do you think Slashdot should be prosecuted for infringing the copyright of every story they link to, well do you, dumbass?

  8. Re:i have no problem with it by MightyMartian · · Score: 3

    Been going on since the dawn of time. How else would you describe Ovid's work?

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  9. Re:Sucks by Rei · · Score: 2

    Which has nothing to do with whether or not he hacked a company. Just like whether Wikileaks is awesome has nothing to do with whether or not Assange waited until a girl was asleep to have unprotected sex with her when she had spent the evening refusing to do.

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  10. Re:i have no problem with it by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People feel entitled to infringe copyright as a form of civil disobedience against criminal cartels who bribe corrupt politicians to instigate corrupt persecutions such as the campaign against the Pirate Bay, and to illegally extend copyright indefinitely.

    Generally speaking no. People infringe copyright because they'd rather not pay for music and movies if they can get away with getting them for free. They don't have the quasi-moral justification you suggest.

  11. Re:i have no problem with it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Be it this little bit was wrong/right it really doesn't matter. Copyright exists only because the people allow it. The people have clearly shown (regardless of the law) that they don't support it for one reason or another. This is the masses we are talking about. The willful disregard for copyright by the masses should make one think there is something seriously wrong with the political system. The system is not doing what the people want. It's pretty apparent it is doing the bidding of those with an interest somewhere else. No matter what propaganda you may push copyright should not exist as it is today. You don't need a vote to see it's not what the people want.

  12. No, get *your* facts straight by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

    The EAW charge is:

    4. On 17th August 2010, in the home of the injured party [name given] in Enkoping, Assange deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to sleep, was in a helpless state. It is an aggravating circumstance that Assange, who was aware that it was the expressed wish of the injured party and a prerequisite of sexual intercourse that a condom be used, still consummated unprotected sexual intercourse with her. The sexual act was designed to violate the injured party’s sexual integrity.

    Her statement is (skilling past the background details and the whole night of him trying to have unprotected sex with her and her refusing, and him agreeing reluctantly a few times to protected sex and ordering her around; also skipping the aftermath):

    They dozed off and she awoke and felt him penetrating her. She immediately asked, “Are you wearing anything?”, to which he replied, “You”. She said to him: “You better not have HIV”, and he replied, “Of course not”. “She felt that it was too late. He was already inside her and she let him continue. She didn’t have the energy to tell him one more time. She had gone on and on about condoms all night long. She has never had unprotected sex before.

    Not only does the Assange team not dispute that she had been spending all night refusing unprotected sex with him, but she has a "paper trail" a mile long to prove it, including her ex boyfriend of 2 1/2 years who testified that she was so paranoid of unprotected sex that not only did she not once allow it in their entire relationship, but she even had him get STD tested before *protected* sex.

    Oh, I'm sorry, "crikey.com.au" is so much better of a source than the actual police statements and the actual arrest warrant.

    Beyond that, you're jumbling everything else up. That was a totally different woman at the party, AA instead of SW. The party was planned in advance. The charges in regards to AA are not rape. At the party she described to one friend the "violent" sex with Assange. This is all straight from the police interviews, including witnes testimony. And please don't get me started on the "how a victim has to behave afterwards for something to be rape". I've known multiple rape victims who *dated* their rapist afterwards to try to make it feel less like rape. I let mine walk me back to my car and even waited for him while he peed in the street. Why? Hell if I know, I was in shock. I didn't exactly have "get raped" on my TODO list for that evening.

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    1. Re:No, get *your* facts straight by sabri · · Score: 1

      If only my modpoints would have lasted one day longer... MOD PARENT UP.

      (but citation needed)

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    2. Re:No, get *your* facts straight by Pav · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the ideal world I think most people, no matter their position on his innocence, would want to see him tried and for justice to be done. The unfortunate fact is that even feminists who want to see him tried can see that this case is politically motivated. Aside from the soft nature of the evidence, in many juristictions the case would be thrown out because of prejudicial media attention.

      Distracted by this sideshow you Americans don't realise the danger you're in. We Australians had our own bumbling George W Bush, the premier of Queensland Joh Bjelke-Petersen. His only mistake was to stay in state politics too long. His bid for Prime Minister was cleverly outmaneuvered with a snap election, and then the smug superiority in the rest of the nation was replaced by fear of what would happen if he got into power. Much energy was expended in prosecuting him, and it was frightening how completely corrupted the police force, judiciary and many other arms of government had become during his time in power. You guys have got rid of GWB but you must know in your bones how deeply wounded your democracy has been, and the influence of the USA worldwide is wounding other democracies by extension. The special persuit of a publisher (Assange) WAY beyond what is normal in a case of this kind by multiple democracies (USA, Sweden, UK, and abandoned by his own country Australia) is a symptom. Who knows what other criticism or leaks have been chilled as a direct result already... the stereotypical journalist is a drinking, smoking womaniser after all. If you want to emotionally "get" how a journalist would feel, and why Americans and by extension everyone should be afraid watch this.

    3. Re:No, get *your* facts straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You got raped, my condolences, but what you endured or how you felt is completeley irrelevant to the Assange case.

      It was funny how Assange became a "rapist" and a "violent sex offender" only AFTER the two ladies learnt Assange had sex with both. It was revenge and a setup, pure and simple. To claim otherwise is to have an astoundingly naïve image of the world. Look at what Assange did and what information was released through him and then figure it out.

      Talking about sources, how about the tweets from the other "raped" person? They've been taken down since, obviously, but mirrors still exist if you look for them. She was positively glowing and looking forward to meeting Assange again. Doesn't sound much of a rape to me, but what do I know, I've never been raped, so I guess I'm completely unqualified to give any input in this matter.

      I think what happened was this: the women wanted to have sex with a Famous Person, but turns out Famous Person had sex with another. Whereas the other woman was probably a honeytrap, the other one just some random woman, and after their visit to the police, magically the situation turns into rape and coercion and whatnot.

    4. Re:No, get *your* facts straight by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      It's just an excuse to get him to Sweden so they can ship him off to the USA.

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    5. Re:No, get *your* facts straight by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You got raped, my condolences, but what you endured or how you felt is completeley irrelevant to the Assange case.

      It was funny how Assange became a "rapist" and a "violent sex offender" only AFTER the two ladies learnt Assange had sex with both.

      When they went to the police they were worried about catching AIDS, not about having been 'raped'. They wanted to know if there was any way they could force Julian Assange to take an AIDS test.

      The first prosecutor let Julian Assange go and he left the country. That's when somebody high up had an "Aha!" monent and figured out they could use this as a way to get Julian Assange in to Sweden and ship him to the USA from there using the "temporary surrender" law. A new prosecutor was appointed and the rest is history.

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    6. Re:No, get *your* facts straight by Rei · · Score: 1

      I didn't, I probably should have. And it was only six months ago.

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  13. Re:file sharing site? by Golden+Section · · Score: 2

    They don't even store torrent files anymore, as of February 29, 2012. They only have Magnet links (links with hashes), which lets your P2P app find a torrent file based on a hash match (not based on server name/location), which in turn... well, you get the drift.

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  14. Re:Nothing weird at all by Pav · · Score: 1

    You're either a know-nothing or a shill. The Pirate Party is the fourth largest party in Sweden. It reached this size from a membership surge following the conviction of those other Pirate Bay guys. A significant proportion of Swedish people get angry politically active over this kind of thing - we could all learn something from them.