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An anonymous reader writes "I am tasked with developing a service project to teach students in a Bangladeshi village how to type. The school has about 500 students, 12 computers donated to them in 2006, and a limited electricity supply. The students will be given job placement opportunities at a local firm in the city once they reach a certain proficiency. Therefore, we are trying to teach as many of them typing skills as possible. The problem: limited electricity, limited computers, many kids. I have some additional funding collected through donations. Instead of buying more computers, I am looking for a cost effective way that does not need a steady flow of electricity. I realize that to teach typing, I do not need a computer. I could achieve the same using a keyboard connected to a display. A solar powered calculator is a perfect example of a cheap device which has a numpad for input and an LCD for display. But so far I have not come across a device that has a qwerty keyboard and an LCD to display what's typed. I know there are some gaming keyboards that have LCDs built in but they are quite expensive. I am aiming to build a device that cost below USD 50. I considered using typewriters but they are in limited supply on the market. I also considered OLPC but it is double my anticipated budget. Do you have other suggestions?" Considering that (at least in China) sub-$50 Android tablets with capacitive screens are already here, I wish the Alphasmart line was cheaper, but apparently it currently starts at $169.

325 comments

  1. Typewriter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What about an old fashioned typewriter?

    1. Re:Typewriter by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Informative
      My mother, now aged 85, learned to type using a printed picture of a keyboard, and exercises very similar to "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing". Its true there is no record of what keys you actually press, etc, but she could type a lot faster than I ever could, and is using an IPad as I type this.

      My point is: stop being obsessed with technology: anyone in the third world can have a photocopy of a picture of a keyboad, and probably has the motivation to try and learn with it. Once a week, use a real machine to test their progress if you have to. (Yes I have visited third world countries).

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    2. Re:Typewriter by na1led · · Score: 1

      stop being obsessed with technology

      I think the whole point is to learn technology, otherwise, what's the point.

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    3. Re:Typewriter by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      What about an old fashioned typewriter?

      The summary says: " I considered using typewriters but they are in limited supply on the market."

      So...exactly how did that get modded 'insightful'?

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    4. Re:Typewriter by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      No - the point is to learn typing. Once you learn to type you can efficiently learn the technology of the limited computers. Frankly - the only class that has any value to me from high school was my freshman year typing class taught on an old IBM Selectric typewriter. Heck - the description in the summary is begging for a typewriter.

      Technology for technology sake is never the answer - old school devices still rule, there is usually never a need for fancy modern devices, they just make thinks easier and more convenient if you happen to have money (and in this case electricity)

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    5. Re:Typewriter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people that modded them up didn't read the summary either.

    6. Re:Typewriter by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      What about an old fashioned typewriter?

      I learned on regular typewriters in middle school in the late 80's. Worked fine for me. Of course he's got to buy ink and paper. If he could find them, he could probably get used typewriters free. Brother still makes electric typewriters, but that doesn't really solve the problem.

    7. Re:Typewriter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Another anecdote from 20+ years ago: I grew up using the hunt-and-peck method, and then I took a typing class my first semester in high school. The class used powered, mechanical typewriters with the correction ribbon removed so we wouldn't be tempted to backspace; our exercises were timed, and we had to start with a fresh piece of paper to fix any mistakes.

      I was doing very poorly in the class, so one afternoon I took the bold step of covering my hands with a piece of blank paper. This forced me to visualize the locations of the keys, and by the next day I was able to touch-type without every looking away from the sample text. My exercise grades literally went from C's to A's overnight.

      p.s. Yes, it probably helped that I had spent weeks staring at a gigantic chalkboard-sized poster of the keyboard in class, but the process of going from hunt-and-peck to touch-typing happened at home without any physical visual aids.

    8. Re:Typewriter by JosefSit · · Score: 1

      I totally like your suggestion! It seems like a low tech, high efficiency solution. One can ALWAYS learn the layout on paper and then practice on an actual keyboard. Sure, it is not the optimal solution but sounds to me as optimal as it could get (also organisation-wise).
      tech is not always needed to learn tech... ;)
      Students could practice on paper and then get a turn at typing at an actual keyboard. You could combine it with a reward system, championships or typing games - or just a typing program to correct the errors.

    9. Re:Typewriter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have a friend who adopted a school and had to solve a problem in a remote rural village of Cambodia. They had a single computer, and zero Internet, limited books. They needed information - so how did he solve it?

      He set it up so the students could query questions to their computers like normal, whatever they wanted. And, once a day after school, a teacher would ride their bikes to the near by city, plug the hard drive from that/those computers into one that had an Internet connection, get the results and data, then return them the next day. This was gratifying to the students who never had such access before.

      You have to use whatever resources are available, on the dime they can afford. If you need to use paper, or fake wooden keyboards, or whatever and turn it into a game with the prize being getting to use the computers, then so be it until better solutions come along. If you can find old keyboards that don't work anymore and get donations - then go for it, I have a couple laying around I'd part with in a second. In this situation, another student can watch his fellow students and record down what they are typing. This is good team involvement and motivation. The stakes are higher with social pressure, and the kids will find it fun.

    10. Re:Typewriter by Richard_J_N · · Score: 1

      For that matter, let them learn with a real PS/2 keyboard - just not connected to anything. That would still be quite useful for the look and feel part.

      [Otherwise, PS2 keyboards are easy to interface and power - you could build something cheap ($10) out of a PIC and a 1 line LCD display]

    11. Re:Typewriter by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      I went to a secondary school where they had a computer science curriculum.
      One of the first things we learned was how a computer worked.
      It was a cardboard thing with writing on it that showed the program counter, accumulator, memory, etc.
      You "computed" by advancing the PC, then doing ( in your head, then writing it down ) what the instruction said.
      I think it was called CARDIAC.
      Yep, like this:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CARDboard_Illustrative_Aid_to_Computation

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    12. Re:Typewriter by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 2

      My mother, now aged 85, learned to type using a printed picture of a keyboard, and exercises very similar to "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing". Its true there is no record of what keys you actually press, etc, but she could type a lot faster than I ever could, and is using an IPad as I type this.

      My point is: stop being obsessed with technology: anyone in the third world can have a photocopy of a picture of a keyboad, and probably has the motivation to try and learn with it. Once a week, use a real machine to test their progress if you have to. (Yes I have visited third world countries).

      That won't work. I speak from personal experience (borned & raised in a third world country). I learned typing with a mechanical typewriter. You have to have a physical feedback from the type writer to develop the necessary muscle memory.

      You also need paper to see that you are typing, and to see if you are doing it right or wrong. And when you commit errors, you need to see how often you made them and where on the keyboard layout. Finally you develop the speed to type with a high degree of correctness.

      You. Will. Never. Ever. Get. That. With. A. Picture. Of. A. Keyboard.

      You need an actual keyboard, mechanical or otherwise.

    13. Re:Typewriter by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      No - the point is to learn typing. Once you learn to type you can efficiently learn the technology of the limited computers. Frankly - the only class that has any value to me from high school was my freshman year typing class taught on an old IBM Selectric typewriter. Heck - the description in the summary is begging for a typewriter.

      Technology for technology sake is never the answer - old school devices still rule, there is usually never a need for fancy modern devices, they just make thinks easier and more convenient if you happen to have money (and in this case electricity)

      I agree with you (wrt mechanical typewriters). I see a problems of logistics though (speaking from personal experience since I learned on a mechanical typewriter). You need paper (lots of it the better), ribbons and white-outs. It takes practice, practice and practice, with the actual output available for grading. Hammering at the keys, hitting an empty rubber drum won't tell the student whether he's making typing mistakes.

    14. Re:Typewriter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Teaching typing? As per the title of the submitted article...

    15. Re:Typewriter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The force required to activate the keys usually isn't as great: You don't have to hammer the keys. It doesn't matter if your finger-tips rest on the keys. Delete, backspace, cut, copy, and paste obviously isn't as practical. There's a lot you couldn't teach, or would have to qualify.

    16. Re:Typewriter by cob666 · · Score: 1

      My mother, now aged 85, learned to type using a printed picture of a keyboard, and exercises very similar to "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing". Its true there is no record of what keys you actually press, etc, but she could type a lot faster than I ever could, and is using an IPad as I type this.

      My point is: stop being obsessed with technology: anyone in the third world can have a photocopy of a picture of a keyboad, and probably has the motivation to try and learn with it. Once a week, use a real machine to test their progress if you have to. (Yes I have visited third world countries).

      That won't work. I speak from personal experience (borned & raised in a third world country). I learned typing with a mechanical typewriter. You have to have a physical feedback from the type writer to develop the necessary muscle memory.

      You also need paper to see that you are typing, and to see if you are doing it right or wrong. And when you commit errors, you need to see how often you made them and where on the keyboard layout. Finally you develop the speed to type with a high degree of correctness.

      You. Will. Never. Ever. Get. That. With. A. Picture. Of. A. Keyboard.

      You need an actual keyboard, mechanical or otherwise.

      I don't agree, I learned to type over 35 years ago on a keyboard diagram, then a manual typewriter and then moved to an IBM Selectric in high school. Modern computer keyboards require almost no real finger strength and virtual keyboards require NO finger strength. Typing is learned by rote exercise, my mother didn't want me breaking her typewriter so she had me practice on the diagram until I knew where most of the letters where.

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    17. Re:Typewriter by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      A keyboard is definitely in his budget range. Unlike the piece of paper, it gives tactile feedback. If you don't require the letters to appear in real (note that they don't for the piece of paper), it doesn't have to be connected to a computer.

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    18. Re:Typewriter by mcmonkey · · Score: 1, Interesting

      What about an old fashioned typewriter?

      The summary says: " I considered using typewriters but they are in limited supply on the market."

      So...exactly how did that get modded 'insightful'?

      Because of this from the OP:

      I realize that to teach typing, I do not need a computer. I could achieve the same using a keyboard connected to a display.

      Typewriters are in limited supply, but this mythical "keyboard connected to a display" that's not a computer is an option?

      How about this: If you're in the land of limited electricity, no computers, and no typewriters, why are wasting time teaching people to type?

      The answer to the original question is manual, non-electric typewriters.

      If you disagree, what is your alternative that is not in limited supply?

    19. Re:Typewriter by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      What about an old fashioned typewriter?

      The summary says: " I considered using typewriters but they are in limited supply on the market."

      They aren't that limited - they're actually VERY plentiful. In fact, most people simplu melt them down as their scrap value is higher than their actual functioning worth. I'm sure a good chunk of the population has a typewriter hiding in the depths of their basement.

      They're really only worth maybe $20 or so.

      Most people over 50 have one in their house somewhere. Just because they don't show up on Craigslist or eBay doesn't mean there's a limited supply - most of those people who own one forgot they even have it and don't even bother selling it because it's worthless.

      It just means you have to go out and do some legwork in rounding them up.

    20. Re:Typewriter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You. Will. Never. Ever. Get. That. With. A. Picture. Of. A. Keyboard.

      Yeah, it's quite clearly absolutely impossible to learn anything off of a picture of a keyboard, since y'know... it's not like you're ACTIVELY REPLYING TO A POST STATING EXACTLY THAT OCCURING! Don't say something's not possible when clearly it WAS possible, since they just said it happened.

      And having feedback would indeed speed things up, no doubt about that. But straight memorizing key layout, practicing finger movement, getting used to quickly resetting your hands on the keyboard in the right place (thanks to the bumps on the F and J keys)... all of that can be done with just a keyboard not hooked up to anything. Hell, it can be done with a wood carving of a keyboard (although you'd miss out on the 'button push' feedback). You can hook them up to a computer every week or so to check their progress.

    21. Re:Typewriter by nbauman · · Score: 1

      White-outs? To learn typing?

    22. Re:Typewriter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You have to have a physical feedback from the type writer to develop the necessary muscle memory."

      Not to mention, typing machines have no Windows key.

    23. Re:Typewriter by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      It just means you have to go out and do some legwork in rounding them up.

      So all he has to do is fly to the US, randomly knock on doors till he finds enough typewriters, ship them to Bangladesh (can't be cheap given how heavy those things are) and then fly back to Bangladesh.

      Or did you miss the part where he wasn't in the US?

    24. Re:Typewriter by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "Yeah, it's quite clearly absolutely impossible to learn anything off of a picture of a keyboard,..."

      People have learned to play the piano that way for centuries.

    25. Re:Typewriter by scorp1us · · Score: 1

      I have one. It is very heavy and not practical to ship.

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    26. Re:Typewriter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people [in the developed world] might have them, but in Bangladesh? Collecting and shipping these to Bangladesh might double or triple that cost, making them too expensive for the limited funds.

    27. Re:Typewriter by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 1
      Actually - They didn't teach me either. There is this invention that we used to use for math - called your head. You can do very complicated math "In your head".

      Funny story. Worked with a brilliant engineer years ago. He was born a decade and a day after I was. I had to use pencil and paper for the SAT - you learned to do simple math very accurately and very quickly "In your head". He was of the age that you got to take in an approved calculator into the SAT test. They no longer required to do Math "In your head". When we played darts - he couldn't add up the scores because he never had to.

      You are learning to type - that is finger placement and styles. Keyboard layouts are all basically the same (Except for the Microsoft keyboard that puts the 6 key in the wrong place) and it is just a matter of slight adjustments. There is not a difference in the layout between a modern keyboard and an old manual typewriter... There are differences in travel, sound, and other things - but those aren't needed to deal with muscle memory and having your fingers know how to type.

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    28. Re:Typewriter by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      People scrap stuff made out of metal, and they scrap it faster in poorer places.

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    29. Re:Typewriter by freman · · Score: 2

      I was thinking the same thing. I was even considering dragging out my pic programmer to try it out :D

      Seems like a worthy project for any self respecting hacker, get the cheapest possible ps2 keyboard you can find, integrate a battery compartment and an lcd...

      Possibly even talking to phone recyclers, those Nokia phone lcd's aren't hard to work with.

      Sourcing from DX for example

      Cheapest 2 line lcd: $4.70
      Or you could go up to a nokia graphical lcd for $4.90
      You can grab 3 ATMEGA8-16PU's for $6.30
      Keyboard for $15.12
      AA battery pack $1.90

      Buying in significant bulk (or even directly from manufacturers) would be cheaper - heck I have a couple of spare ps2 keyboards I could throw in :D

      In fact there's two opportunities here.
      1) for us in the rest of the world to chip in and build (hackerspace project for a week perhaps?)
      2) teach the kids something about electronics and make building an 8 bit computer part of the course work :D

      But having said that, how cheap can OLPC go?

    30. Re:Typewriter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My son's 1st grade teacher taught the whole class to touch type, as part of her Master's program. She put a standard keyboard on a copier and made a copy, then churned out 30 more. The students cut out the image and pasted it onto a cardboard backing. Every day they would pull ot their "keyboards" and practice touching the letters and numbers.: aaaa bbbb, cccc, etc. He's now 26 and types over 100 wpm. The entire class learned on no electricity and for next to nothing in upfront costs. Totally brilliant idea.

    31. Re:Typewriter by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      You can get keyboards for $2+shipping on Amazon. $15 seems high to me.

      Something like a $35 laptop would work for this guy.

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    32. Re:Typewriter by freman · · Score: 1

      Yeh I figured you'd be able to get keyboards much cheaper than that (we can get them here for $8 - but I wanted to at least pretend I was working - and I had a legit excuse to be on DX :D

      In fact I figure for a bit of leg work you can get all those parts cheaper.

    33. Re:Typewriter by vux984 · · Score: 2

      I totally like your suggestion! It seems like a low tech, high efficiency solution. One can ALWAYS learn the layout on paper and then practice on an actual keyboard.

      Why paper? Why not just use disconnected keyboards? They're dirt cheap new, and practically free used; and since they are disconnected they don't even have to work; electricity is a non-issue, etc.

      Then rotate the kids onto live terminals for feedback and testing. gradually add more live terminals as budget allows.

      True touch typing is done with pure tactile feedback; paper doesn't give them that. But a disconnected keyboard does.

    34. Re:Typewriter by Psychofreak · · Score: 1

      My mother, now aged 85, learned to type using a printed picture of a keyboard, and exercises very similar to "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing". Its true there is no record of what keys you actually press, etc, but she could type a lot faster than I ever could, and is using an IPad as I type this.

      My point is: stop being obsessed with technology: anyone in the third world can have a photocopy of a picture of a keyboad, and probably has the motivation to try and learn with it. Once a week, use a real machine to test their progress if you have to. (Yes I have visited third world countries).

      I am not nearly that old and I remember sitting at a desk in high school with that picture printed on the desk top in a study hall. They did not use them for regular teaching anymore, but the idea is to provide a means to memorize the keyboard and finger positions.

      The image was actually carved into the desk and had a slight texture to it. You had to have a pad of several sheets of paper in order to write with a pen or pencil. Seriously low tech. You have several examples on site and can have local craftspeople make up a few dozen in a few days. Heck, you could have the STUDENTS make up some using a keyboard stencil and paint!

      I never took typing and type faster than most people I know. Touch typing is not as useful in most fields, except where large quantities of text information needs transcribed directly into the machine. Programmers use such a non-language language that touch typing is less useful than a secretary, transcriptionist or author find touch typing.

      Phil

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    35. Re:Typewriter by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      My mother, now aged 85, learned to type using a printed picture of a keyboard, and exercises very similar to "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing". Its true there is no record of what keys you actually press, etc, but she could type a lot faster than I ever could, and is using an IPad as I type this.

      My point is: stop being obsessed with technology: anyone in the third world can have a photocopy of a picture of a keyboad, and probably has the motivation to try and learn with it. Once a week, use a real machine to test their progress if you have to. (Yes I have visited third world countries).

      End of thread, I'd have thought.

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    36. Re:Typewriter by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Funny story. Worked with a brilliant engineer years ago. He was born a decade and a day after I was. I had to use pencil and paper for the SAT - you learned to do simple math very accurately and very quickly "In your head". He was of the age that you got to take in an approved calculator into the SAT test. They no longer required to do Math "In your head". When we played darts - he couldn't add up the scores because he never had to.

      Considering that thousands of drunk, barely numerate people of all ages in Britain do this every night, I have to say he couldn't have been that brilliant an engineer.

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    37. Re:Typewriter by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Why paper? Why not just use disconnected keyboards? They're dirt cheap new, and practically free used

      We're talking about teaching in a poor country, where it is unlikely people chuck out things like keyboards until they physically disintegrate, and your idea of "dirt cheap" might be a month's worth of food to them.

      You are not using your imagination. Not everyone lives in (relatively) prosperous cities, where people can afford to throw away things like last year's clothes, slightly tatty bicycles or three year old computers that won't run the latest games.

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    38. Re:Typewriter by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I learned typing with a mechanical typewriter. You have to have a physical feedback from the type writer to develop the necessary muscle memory.

      No, I learned from the picture of a keyboard method. When I was young, typewriters were relatively expensive, and most people didn't have them. I am not trying to do a Four Yorkshiremen [*] on you, this was in the UK in the 1970s, my parents did eventually get me a typewriter but all through school all our work was handwritten, so it was something of a luxury unless you had pretensions to see your work in print. Ahem.

      {*] A picture of a typewriter keyboard? Luxury. We had to imagine the picture in our heads while we were blindfolded, and if we made a single imaginary mistake, our father would thrash us to death with his belt. Etc.

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    39. Re:Typewriter by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If he could find them, he could probably get used typewriters free.

      Yes, because in poor countries without computers or even regular electricity, where people have nothing to learn typing on, obviously a used typewriter is going to be completely valueless.

      Try thinking outside your own little world, it can be an interesting exercise..

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    40. Re:Typewriter by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Because of this from the OP:

      I realize that to teach typing, I do not need a computer. I could achieve the same using a keyboard connected to a display.

      Point is: He's already thought of using typewriters and discarded the idea for whatever reason.

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    41. Re:Typewriter by na1led · · Score: 1

      There is only so much your brain can handle. When I took physics class in college, I used a graphing calculator to get me through. Others who didn't have a good calculator failed the class. Unless you’re some Einstein, most of us can't computate complex algorithms in our head.

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    42. Re:Typewriter by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      If he could find them, he could probably get used typewriters free.

      Yes, because in poor countries without computers or even regular electricity, where people have nothing to learn typing on, obviously a used typewriter is going to be completely valueless. Try thinking outside your own little world, it can be an interesting exercise..

      Clearly the person setting this up has internet access to post the question in the first place. He could probably contact companies or organizations with requests to donate and *ship* them. I know this whole shipping thing is fairly new to some people..... Try not being an asshole every time you post.

    43. Re:Typewriter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THIS!!!! Sometimes 1st world fancy technology is NOT THE ANSWER. Especially in 3rd world situations where money and electricity are not trivially available. Thinking you should "cram a computer into the mix as a solution" is CLASSIC 1ST WORLD "Ugly American" THINKING. It's NOT SITUATIONALLY APPROPRIATE TECHNOLOGY.

      A manual typewriter is the only technology that makes sense in this situation. I've been using computers for decades and I learned to touch-type on a manual Royal typewriter. It works just fine and the muscle strength you develop helps to both master touch typing well AND avoid many repetitive stress problems.

    44. Re:Typewriter by vux984 · · Score: 1

      We're talking about teaching in a poor country....You are not using your imagination....

      I don't need to use my imagination. He set a budget:

      "I am aiming to build a device that cost below USD 50. I also considered OLPC but it is double my anticipated budget."

      Based on that he can buy some OLPCs, and then fill the rest of the classroom with disconnected keyboards. At pretty close to a 1:1 ratio. So every pair of kids will have an olpc and keyboard.

  2. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by tepples · · Score: 1

    I was under the impression that Bangladesh's education ministry itself would have to order those, not a private charity.

  3. Here's an idea by roc97007 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Mechanical typewriters. Paper. I bet there's a bunch of them already in India. You'll just have to look around.

    Why does everything have to be electronic? Especially in remote or third-world conditions?

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    1. Re:Here's an idea by alphax45 · · Score: 1

      That was my first thought too.

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    2. Re:Here's an idea by localman57 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They don't want them, even in India. The last mechanical typewriter factory in the world (in india) shut down last year...

      http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-04-26/news/30072856_1_typewriters-manufacturers-machines

      You could probably look around for enough of them, eventually, but the effort probably isn't worth it.

    3. Re:Here's an idea by theatreman · · Score: 1

      Typewriters in India are no use to him, he is in Bangladesh...

    4. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't there a story on /. on manual typewriters still being used in this neck of the woods?
      The original way of learning typing.

    5. Re:Here's an idea by OAB_X · · Score: 0

      +1 to mechanical typewriter. Move the best to the computers when they become competent. Used market is not too expensive. Electric typewriters will work too if you can't find enough manual ones (and they are less expensive than computers).

    6. Re:Here's an idea by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Indeed. It is "a device that has a qwerty keyboard and [a method to immediately display] what's typed".

      The old Remington worked just fine for teaching me touch typing.

    7. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mechanical typewriters. Paper. I bet there's a bunch of them already in India. You'll just have to look around.

      Why does everything have to be electronic? Especially in remote or third-world conditions?

      Or about $5 at any garage sale in the U.S. plus $10 shipping - assuming you stockpile typewriters and ship by the container full.

    8. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly! What is wrong with learning to type on a manual Underwood typewriter? In high school I typed all my essays and papers using an Underwood typewriter and achieved sustained speeds of 2 minutes per page, doubled-spaced. People forget there was a time when electricity was scarce in the current developed world but business, education, and life went on rather well. Hades! When I was in high school we still used encyclopedias and other reference books because the Internet and more specifically the World Wide Web was not available to those outside government, academia, and some specialised businesses.

    9. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't it be? Under the conditions he's describing, a mechanical typewriter would be perfect. Furthermore, because they require more key pressure to type, they encourage you to use good typing form.

      It would be helpful if Timothy/Anonymous Reader could explain why he is ruling out mechanical typewriters.

    10. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Did you, or the people that modded you up, even read the summary?

      I considered using typewriters but they are in limited supply on the market.

      Can't use typewriters if you can't find any.

    11. Re:Here's an idea by sjames · · Score: 1

      He doesn't need thousands with a guaranteed supply. If nobody wants them, they should be going for cheap.

    12. Re:Here's an idea by Kergan · · Score: 1

      Plus, it needs paper...

    13. Re:Here's an idea by bunbuntheminilop · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everyone knows that the typewriters aren't worth anything, because they make such a huge profit from the ink ribbons.

    14. Re:Here's an idea by Donwulff · · Score: 1

      Considering the very submission reads " I considered using typewriters but they are in limited supply on the market." I bet that must be the case... and all the non-trollish replies to the article so far just point "use a typewriter". That said, this does seem bit of like a solution looking for a problem, or what have you - any other solution one could come by would be even more "limited supply on the market", given there's not general demand for that.
      Only thing that comes to mind to me is that USB-attached keyboards should be easy to come by, surplus, used, sponsored deal whatever. Get a few USB hubs and connect them together to a single computer with a handy software. Unfortunately that's far from ideal, as the screen will have to be shared, and electricity is still required. But as far as an easily available geeky solution goes, I think that's a start. Maybe blink the lights or something if they make a typo - actually learning/teaching on them would be harder, but then you can do that even on a blackboard or so.

    15. Re:Here's an idea by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      The last factory shut down *last year*. That was actually better than I expected. There must be millions of them still out there, a large percentage still in use.

      Let's look at it from their point of view. I have no power, or very problematic power. I have a very limited budget. (More limited than us fat, gadget-festooned westerners could possibly imagine.) Now, I have to type a letter. What's the practical solution, given the conditions and the budget?

      I'll bet you an iPhone XXVI (due out the latter part of 2014) that mechanical typewriters are very common there, even today. (That's actually not a fair bet, as I've spent some time working there, and can verify from personal observation.)

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    16. Re:Here's an idea by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      India is right next door!

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    17. Re:Here's an idea by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      Indeed. They work even better as a teaching tool if you stick a poster size picture of a QWERTY keyboard on the wall and use sandpaper to remove the markings from the keys so the kids are forced to look up instead of looking at the keys. That's how I learned to touch type, back in high school... looking back, it was the most useful course I ever took.

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    18. Re:Here's an idea by hjf · · Score: 2

      I'm in Argentina and the police here, in some jurisdictions (especially in small towns) still use typewriters for paperwork.

      Sure, they have computers, with internet and all. But if a typewriter does the job just fine, why even bother? They use the computer for the tasks that require, for example, reporting to a remote location. But if it's for forms and paperwork, a typewriter is cheaper and much more reliable.

      In OP's case a typewriter is just fine. And paper, you can get for really cheap (doesn't have to be brand new reams).

      The only problem I can think of is how to deliver the machines. But I'm sure they can manage that. There's another really reliable machine avaliable everywhere: the truck.

    19. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. My thoughts exactly. 'Tis like our modern technology has made us stupid. We managed amazingly well without. Just take a few steps back and see what the older stuff can do.

    20. Re:Here's an idea by kenorland · · Score: 1

      Mechanical typewriters are actually pretty expensive to buy and maintain compared to something electronic.

      If you want to go low-tech and used, a whole bunch of old serial terminals (VT100 etc.) hooked up to a PC via USB-to-serial ports would be another option. Linux supports that kind of usage fully and there is tons of software available for it.

      Of course, as I was saying, I think a low-end Android tablet and a USB keyboard are really the way to go.

    21. Re:Here's an idea by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Yep. The typewriters in my high school class had blank keys too. It's amazing how fast you learn when you're forced to remember. Of course, this predicates that there is some kind of standardization of keyboards, especially for the cute little symbols you don't use much.

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    22. Re:Here's an idea by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      He isn't looking hard enough.

      Typewriters were manufactured in India, right next door, until last year. There has to be a huge used market if he could figure out how to tap into it.

      But, if all you know is gadgets, then gadgets tend to be your solution.

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    23. Re:Here's an idea by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      >>>My kids are in their twenties and I doubt either one ever saw a typewriter, period, let alone a manual one.

      They've never watched old movies with secretaries typing-away on their manual or selectronic typewriters?

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    24. Re:Here's an idea by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      You clearly have not been in that part of the world. You can make paper in your back yard, if you're patient enough.

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    25. Re:Here's an idea by pdabbadabba · · Score: 2

      Read to the end of the summary: he has considered typewriters but does not think he can find them in adequate supply.

    26. Re:Here's an idea by Necron69 · · Score: 5, Informative

      That is a myth that the last typewriter factory in the world shut down. They are still very much in use (and demand) in the Third World.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/26/worlds-last-typewriter-factory-closes_n_853670.html

      The very fact that this question is being asked just reeks of stupidity. You just DON'T go straight from stone age to 21st century, especially without electricity. Buy some manual typewriters. C'mon man....

      Necron69

    27. Re:Here's an idea by Zocalo · · Score: 1, Informative

      Typewriters are definitely the way to go for the initial lessons. Manual ones for starters, then maybe electronic ones if they are available for the next stage - just make sure that any ribbons that are needed are cloth so that they can be re-inked though.

      Some more thoughts for the next stage - moving them onto actual "computers". You might want to looking into re-purpose one or more of the 12 PCs as a *NIX box using your favourite distro (via LiveCD if need be), then running some dumb terminals off it. With an RS-232 port board and a bunch of Wyse terminals you could easily run a whole classroom from a single decently specified server box, or even some more modern terminals that have Ethernet. Dumb terminals are still quite common in India and other countries I've been too in the region, so I'd imagine they wouldn't be too hard or expensive to obtain across the border in Bangladesh. Ask around too - maybe a local company that has upgraded to PCs might have some in a store room they'd be willing to donate for some favourable press... Alternatively, if you can get hold of some extra graphics adapters, monitors and keyboards, you could take a look at this tutorial that walks you through building a six-headed Linux box - one server, six keyboards & monitors and (more importantly) concurrent users. That's all going to need some power, but a heck of a lot less than an equivalent number of stand-alone PCs.

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    28. Re:Here's an idea by dcollins · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From the summary -- "I considered using typewriters but they are in limited supply on the market."

      Seriously, what is wrong with Slashdot people that you can't even read an 8-line summary, and mod something like the above to maximum value? Geez.

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    29. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An all-in-one device seems to be what the OP is asking for. Typewriters do have a 'no power required' advantage but there's also issues involved -- shipping costs (they're relatively quite heavy), storage issues (they're relatively bulky), and there are the incidental costs (a constant based on usage) of ribbons and paper (paper is also bulky and heavy when compared to just reading a LED or LCD readout).

    30. Re:Here's an idea by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 1

      Mod +1 Funny

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    31. Re:Here's an idea by arthurpaliden · · Score: 1

      Up until a few years ago all Letters of Credit our company received from India were always typed.

    32. Re:Here's an idea by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      That was my first thought too.

      Even though the summary says " I considered using typewriters but they are in limited supply on the market."?

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    33. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $10 shipping? Really??? Several thousands, even with some kind of nonprofit discount involved. A container full of metal and plastic will weigh quite a bit and nobody will transfer that amount of bulk and weight several thousand miles for free.

    34. Re:Here's an idea by JustOK · · Score: 1

      Steal it from the photocopies. Just remember to copy the last sheet if you need more.

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    35. Re:Here's an idea by alexander_686 · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up.

      If you are teaching typing, that means you are teaching touch typing – to rapidly and correctly depress keys without looking at the keyboard / hands. Computers are a bit of a disadvantage because they don’t encourage accurate typing. i.e. the penalty for making a mistake on a typewriter is greater than that on a computer – yeah backspace! Learning how to 10k is very different then learning how to use a solar powered

      Learning how to 10k is very different then learning how to use a solar powered calculator. Most don’t have the right spacing.

      Now type 50 times - The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.

      Computer literacy – which is nice – is a separate subject.

    36. Re:Here's an idea by redmid17 · · Score: 1

      If your kids are in their 20s and have never seen a typewriter, you should have let them out of the house every once in awhile

    37. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why there are 10 billion applications that allow you to not backspace while teaching typing. What programs did you learn on?

    38. Re:Here's an idea by mbone · · Score: 1

      He is in Bangladesh. Everything local gets reused until it wears out. He can find used typewriters if he looks.

    39. Re:Here's an idea by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      >>>My kids are in their twenties and I doubt either one ever saw a typewriter, period, let alone a manual one.

      They've never watched old movies with secretaries typing-away on their manual or selectronic typewriters?

      They only watch SpongeBob Squarepants or the Kardashians.

    40. Re:Here's an idea by PhotoJim · · Score: 2

      I assume you're joking, but in case you're not, typewriter ribbons are still easy to get (and are reinkable) and quite inexpensive. They also have a pretty lengthy lifespan.

    41. Re:Here's an idea by alexander_686 · · Score: 0

      I too voted for manual typewriters, but I am not sure they are cheaper then computers. The initial cost may be lower, but when the manual typewriters will fail they will need to be repaired.

      Repair costs will be highly dependent on your local infrastructure. It is not that they are inherently expensive to repair, but it does require somebody trained in the craft.

      In the U.S. that can be expensive. People have lost the manual arts of typewriter and wind up watch repair. It used to be there was a repair shop in every small town – now you need to send it off to a specialized shop.

    42. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hi, I need to pick a number between 1 and 10. All those numbers I cannot use, can someone help with a solution?"

    43. Re:Here's an idea by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      I still have the crappy old Royal manual I learned typing on stashed away in storage somewhere...

    44. Re:Here's an idea by alexander_686 · · Score: 1

      IIRC, this is the 3rd time I have heard about the last typewriter plant being shut down.

      What happens is that they run the factory at full capacity. After a few years they have a warehouse full of them so they switch the line over. Which kicks off a news story. After a few years the warehouse is empty, they switch the line back to typewriters. Amazon is still selling them so there must be some demand left in the morden world.

      Rise and repeat as they say.

    45. Re:Here's an idea by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      Computers are in limited supply. Electricity is in limited supply.

      So what if typewriters are in limited supply? What unlimited resource do you suggest as the solution?

      Manual non-electric typewriters are the answer to the original question.

    46. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy fucking shit read the article first you idiots.

      "I considered using typewriters but they are in limited supply on the market."

    47. Re:Here's an idea by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I learned on a mechanical typewriter myself in the 1980. And I will have to admit that this really helped with muscle memory. Each key has to be hit confidently and forcefully. You also form a rhythm doing this. I think that if I had learned on an electric or a computer that I wouldn't have been as good at typing today.

    48. Re:Here's an idea by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      But those are for new typewriters. You can get old ones. They don't just vanish. These aren't like iphones where they become useless to everyone after 6 months and are thrown away. You just need ribbons and some oil and some cleaning.

    49. Re:Here's an idea by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I learned on a manual typewriter also, and one bit of collateral damage is that forever after, I need a decent keyboard with a reasonably long stroke and positive feedback to type well. (But on a good keyboard I can easily hit 75 words a minute.) Chiclet keyboards and those rubber mat things require slow, careful plunking.

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    50. Re:Here's an idea by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "They've never watched old movies with secretaries typing-away on their manual or selectronic typewriters?"

      They don't watch movies where people didn't have cellphones, it's stone age for them.

    51. Re:Here's an idea by AbhiTheOne · · Score: 0

      They don't want them, even in India. The last mechanical typewriter factory in the world (in india) shut down last year...

      That rumour is debunked - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typewriter#End_of_an_era

    52. Re:Here's an idea by Zalbik · · Score: 1

      The very fact that this question is being asked just reeks of stupidity. You just DON'T go straight from stone age to 21st century, especially without electricity. Buy some manual typewriters. C'mon man....

      FFS, this has got to be the worst case of people not even bothering to read the summary. From the summary:
      "I am aiming to build a device that cost below USD 50."

      Where do you find a manual typewriter that costs less than $50?

    53. Re:Here's an idea by QuantumLeaper · · Score: 1

      How old you? QWERTY keyboards were invented in 1870s.

    54. Re:Here's an idea by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Mechanical typewriters. Paper. I bet there's a bunch of them already in India. You'll just have to look around.

      1. It's in Bangladesh

      2. The FQ stated that manual typewriters were very difficult to get hold of.

      3. You fail.

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    55. Re:Here's an idea by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I still have the crappy old Royal manual I learned typing on stashed away in storage somewhere...

      Yes, but I'd say it's approximately 99.99% certain that you don't live in a fucking village in Bangladesh with no regular electricity supply either.

      There are an awful lot of "let them eat cake" type answers in this thread.

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    56. Re:Here's an idea by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      It would be helpful if Timothy/Anonymous Reader could explain why he is ruling out mechanical typewriters.

      From TFQ:

      "I considered using typewriters but they are in limited supply on the market."

      So, taking a stab in the dark, maybe because they're in limited supply on the market? Just a wild guess.

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    57. Re:Here's an idea by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      India is right next door!

      Right, so Mexico and Canada are also interchangeable with the USA?

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    58. Re:Here's an idea by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      $10 shipping? Really??? Several thousands, even with some kind of nonprofit discount involved. A container full of metal and plastic will weigh quite a bit and nobody will transfer that amount of bulk and weight several thousand miles for free.

      Er, I think he meant $10 shipping each, not $10 for the whole container.

      Disclaimer: I'm not an international shipping expert or maritime lawyer, so don't quote me.

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  4. they once had these things..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about and old school mechanical typewriter? No electricity required, just some paper.

    1. Re:they once had these things..... by localman57 · · Score: 1

      And replacement ribbons. That you have to find in Bangladesh. For a typewriter that hasn't been manufactured for many years. Good luck.

    2. Re:they once had these things..... by sjames · · Score: 1

      If it accepts a cloth ribbon, It can be re-inked. If the intent is simply to learn typing, it doesn't have to produce a crisp beautiful page, it just has to show what was actually typed.

    3. Re:they once had these things..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he's willing to source electronics off eBay, he's capable of ordering typewriter ribbons online. For the record, even dual-spool cloth ribbons are still available to fit many vintage machines and the great thing about them is that they can be re-inked several times.

    4. Re:they once had these things..... by james_pb · · Score: 1

      Why would you need ribbons? Manual typewriters will make a physical impression on the page - it's good enough for teaching.

  5. Ummm... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 0

    Typewriter?

    If you can find just one or two models for which ribbon is still manufacturer, you could probably get some donations of compatible manual typewriters.

    I realize it' a stretch, but it's not a completely impossible idea.

    1. Re:Ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most of the top thread starters in thsi topic... have clearly not read the summary.

      I considered using typewriters but they are in limited supply on the market.

      Sorry to single you out, but it was at this point in the comments that I got sick of reading "Hurr durr, get typewriter, stupid" posts.

    2. Re:Ummm... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Oops. Fair point.

  6. You know what would be cool? by multipartmixed · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you just want to learn to type, you could possibly provision some purely-mechanical keyboards.

    The displays would not need to be particularly high-tech; you could go with a hemp or wood pulp WOD (write only display) that works by mechanically striking the pulp with an embossed pigment delivery die.

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    1. Re:You know what would be cool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or a trs80 model 100...

    2. Re:You know what would be cool? by Fox_1 · · Score: 2

      I know this (the parent) is a joke, but the basis of learning to type is drill and repitition. I see nothing wrong with just geting a bunch of keyboards, don't bother to get computers for them and have the kids drill.
      A A A A
      S S S S
      ASDF
      etc.
      If the kid is going to hit the letter 'W' 12 times in a row, they don't need to see it actually show up on screen or paper, that's not the point, the point is to establish the muscle memory. Make sure the kids have the finger movements down in drill before you ever sit them at a powered computer. Just walk around the class and make sure the kids are hitting the right key as you call it out.

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    3. Re:You know what would be cool? by cvtan · · Score: 1

      Gee, this is almost the same acronym as the wood-insulated gate write-only memory, the WIGWOM.

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    4. Re:You know what would be cool? by JoeInnes · · Score: 1

      Only on fucking Slashdot would this be +5 insightful, not +5 funny.

    5. Re:You know what would be cool? by PNutts · · Score: 1

      Heck, you can even pair them up and monitor each other.

    6. Re:You know what would be cool? by doesnothingwell · · Score: 2

      Two kids per keyboard, one to touch type, the second to hit him when the wrong key is pressed. Kids are plentiful, they make great computer substitutes.

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  7. Typewriter...? by Burning1 · · Score: 0

    Out of curiosity, have you considered purchasing used mechanical typewriters?

    1. Re:Typewriter...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out of curiosity, have you considered reading the summery?

  8. Manual Typewriter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I learned on a manual typewriter. People around me complain I pound on my keyboard. Sometimes the keys fly off.

  9. AVR! by d33tah · · Score: 1

    AVR processors can do pretty good job getting text from PS/2 keyboards. They also don't consume too that much power. The only problem then would be getting a bunch of LCD's, perhaps SD cards for storage and some software...

    1. Re:AVR! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came to see if someone already mentioned this. A 40x2 line character LCD, an Atmel ATmega8, a PS/2 keyboard and a 5V power supply should be available for about $20 combined. 1KB of RAM should be enough for a scrollback buffer. The problem with this approach is that it'll take a lot of time to make these parts into something useful.

      Another option is a cheap Android tablet ($50) or phone and a low cost Bluetooth keyboard ($20).

  10. Did any of you even read the question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "I considered using typewriters but they are in limited supply on the market"

    " I also considered OLPC but it is double my anticipated budget."

    "Do you have other suggestions?"

  11. PS2, Arduino, and an LCD by localman57 · · Score: 2

    It would be fairly trivial to combine a low end Arduino platform, old PS2 keyboards, and an HD44780 based 40x2 LCD into a system that would cost under $30 each, and run on 4 AA NIMH batteries. You could recharge the batteries when the power was available.

    1. Re:PS2, Arduino, and an LCD by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      You don't even need the LCD. There is no reason for the student to review their results real-time. Just a simple circuit to read the keypresses and store them for later retrieval. You could probably operate the device on a watch battery for a year.

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    2. Re:PS2, Arduino, and an LCD by rgbscan · · Score: 1

      Indeed... buy it now... $9.99

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALPHASMART-dana-wireless-Portable-Word-Processor-100-Tested-Working-DANA-/370652122952?pt=BI_Typewriters_Word_Processors&hash=item564c968f48

    3. Re:PS2, Arduino, and an LCD by sbe01 · · Score: 1
    4. Re:PS2, Arduino, and an LCD by sbe01 · · Score: 1

      Hey, if it is just for the typing you could buy PS/2-Connector Keyboards for around $7 each. A cheap microcontroller like Atmels ATTinyXX on a custom PCB could be used to connect display and keyboard. Lets say $10 for both. Than you just need a display and a case. Depending on how many characters it should display it starts from $8 1x16 (1 line, 16 characters). Lets assume a standard case for just $1. Programming this should be fairly easy as multiple projects on the internet have libraries available. So you get your electronic typewriter for $26. It could be even cheaper. These will consume much less than 10 Watt and it would be possible to power them with rechargable batteries or big capacitors. some sources: AVR keyboard: http://avrprogrammers.com/example_avr_keyboard.php AVR display libraries are all over the web. Just my two cents. This could be an initiativ of indiegogo or something similiar!

    5. Re:PS2, Arduino, and an LCD by RecycledElectrons · · Score: 1

      This is what I would do.

      There are hundreds of tutorials on interfacing (PS/2, USB) keyboards to AVRs and to AVRs with Arduino Boot Loaders installed on them.

      A cheap LCD would let your students see their accuracy in real time (WHICH IS CRITICAL!)

      Now for the tricky part: You need a microcontroller, custom PCB, LCD, keyboard, battery, and charger for $50. It can be done. I could even build in some tutor programs for that price, but the $50 would be just for the parts.

    6. Re:PS2, Arduino, and an LCD by sbe01 · · Score: 1

      It is not that tricky. You could also buy a soldering iron and base the microcontroller and some necessary parts completely on a perfboard. You could also add an sd-card so you can grade your students later easily.

      I could provide help in designing the circuit and coding the firmware.

    7. Re:PS2, Arduino, and an LCD by plover · · Score: 1

      No kidding it would be easy. This code for driving an LCD from a USB keyboard was on the first few hits from DDG.

      OK, quick searching revealed a lot more easy answers: Assembled seeeduino (with USB chip): $22. 16x2 LCD is $8. Full size new keyboard from random internet vendor: $7. 3.7V Li-Ion batteries: $4. Total: probably less than $50 from existing parts.

      It also needs project cases, something custom that would clip on to the keyboards and serve as the LCD mount would be ideal. Once designed and posted to Thingiverse, a call could go out to people with RepRaps to ask for volunteers to print up and donate them.

      They'd need a few other things, like shared battery chargers and some teacher's software package, something to create assignments and upload new firmware into the seeeduinos.

      He'd probably be able to convince a local community organization to do the soldering, assembly, and testing. Then there's packaging and shipping, which is probably a sizable expense. Funding it could be a kickstarter project. Actually, this is the kind of project a Boy Scout might complete for his Eagle rank, or a Girl Scout for her Silver project.

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  12. AlphaSmart by akerasi · · Score: 3, Informative

    Old AlphaSmart devices can be had VERY cheaply on e-bay. You already know what they are, since you did mention them, and other than mechanical typewriters, they may be your best bet. Just need a pile of AA batteries.

    1. Re:AlphaSmart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Old AlphaSmart devices can be had VERY cheaply on e-bay. You already know what they are, since you did mention them, and other than mechanical typewriters, they may be your best bet. Just need a pile of AA batteries.

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-46-Alphasmart-2000-Word-Processors-/400322259929?pt=BI_Typewriters_Word_Processors&hash=item5d3510ebd9

  13. One computer between two by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Pair typing. It's agile and totally moar extream.

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    1. Re:One computer between two by SecurityTheatre · · Score: 1
  14. Touch screen downfall by tepples · · Score: 1
    Allow me to be among the first not to duplicate roc97007's comment:

    Considering that (at least in China) sub-$50 Android tablets with capacitive screens are already here

    The problem with trying to type (or to game) on a tablet with a capacitive touch screen is that most such screens have no texture to indicate the positions of the keys. A touch typist positions his hands relative to the keys by feeling the bumps on the F and J keys and the edges of the other keys, and he can't do that on a typical tablet.

    1. Re:Touch screen downfall by abelenky17 · · Score: 1

      Android tablet with Bluetooth, then paired with a Bluetooth keyboard.

      If you can get one keyboard per student, they can practice the fingering even when not attached to a tablet.
      They can share tablets (1 tablet per 3 or 4 kids), and practice fingering the rest of the time.

    2. Re:Touch screen downfall by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Android tablet with Bluetooth, then paired with a Bluetooth keyboard.

      If you can get one keyboard per student, they can practice the fingering even when not attached to a tablet.
      They can share tablets (1 tablet per 3 or 4 kids), and practice fingering the rest of the time.

      If cost is an issue, I'd see if you could find a tablet that works with USB OTG. "Bluetooth" seems to quadruple the price of a keyboard, and usually implies that it will be designed for thinness, not ergonomics. USB keyboards are cheap as dirt by contrast.

  15. Manual Typewriters by mbone · · Score: 2

    Go to the district in Dhaka in that sells used stuff. Buy some manual typewriters. They, obviously, do not need electricity.

  16. Paper Keyboard, Goldenboy Style! by XiaoMing · · Score: 1
  17. Re:Start by spending your entire budget on by queazocotal · · Score: 0

    Start out the class by having a screening test, then kill the worse performing half.
    This both helps with overpopulation, motivates the others, and reduces amount of required hardware.

  18. Raspberry Pi by lisco · · Score: 0

    The Raspberry Pi project seems to be a good fit for this provided you can source the monitor/keyboard somewhere cheaply or already have one. The non-networked version (model A) is $25 and is probably perfect for this, unfortunately that is not out yet (I believe). The version B which has networking and is ~$35 would probably suit you very well in its stead. Throw a linux distro on there like Debian or Arch and you have yourself a great little machine that uses almost no power that you could teach typing. The only high power device at that point would be the monitor. You could probably get a line display and figure out how to get that working with the raspberry pi to resolve that as well.

    1. Re:Raspberry Pi by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      I concur: Raspberry Pi + Small Display + cheap usb keyboard gives you what you're looking for, and within your budget (give or take a couple bucks).

      Since the Pi + LCD listed above pull a total of less than 7 watts a piece, you should have no trouble powering several with a low-cost portable power solution, such as solar/wind generators, or hell, even a dynamo; I mean, why not?

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  19. Awesome by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

    Question: "... I considered using typewriters but they are in limited supply on the market. ..."

    Slashdot: "Typewriters"

    1. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very, very seriously doubt it. Might be in limited supply locally, but they can be purchased, even new. Typewriters would be the best solution in this situation.

    2. Re:Awesome by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      If he can't get hold of typewriters in a country sandwiched between India and Burma, then he's not looking hard enough or just plain hasn't looked. There must be thousands of the things lying around that left over from the latter days of the British Empire, probably the most pedantic bunch of "fill it in in triplicate" record-keeping bureaucrats that the world has seen. Sure, some of them probably need some work, but you have a ready supply of about 500 kids who could muck in there, and maybe learn a thing or two about basic engineering in the process.

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    3. Re:Awesome by mbone · · Score: 1

      Exactly. My experience is in the sub-continent is that nothing usable gets thrown out or, if it does, someone grabs it from the trash and makes use of it.

    4. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree nothing gets trashed. But thing also get recycled. I was getting rid of stuff in my ancestral home in India. I sold the typewriter (part rusted ones) to a scrap iron recycling place (which you will find in every major street corner in India). And if you had tasked me to find tens of type writers for a school in rural India, I would have comeup with the same answer, it is impossible. Coming to think of it, I would have brought 10 year old laptops (that go by the ton), and install Linux in it (power would still be an issue though)

  20. Sounds like a great excuse for by sunking2 · · Score: 1

    Hunger Games to see who gets to use the computer.

  21. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    I think the key here will be virtualizing.

    I did this a while back with Virtual Desktop and my Mac, I am sure other VM can do the same thing.
    I took the VM and I Mapped the USP Device to that virtual machine, then I repeated the process with an other virtual machine. Then I used the laptop keyboard for the primary OS. I in essence had one computer with keyboards(and mice) that controlled 3 OS's at the same time.

    I normally only did this with 2.
    OS X and Virtualized Windows XP. And a seporate monitor plugged in it was like having two computers.

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  22. No problem by vlm · · Score: 2

    about 500 students

    The students will be given job placement opportunities at a local firm in the city once they reach a certain proficiency

    OK huge call center moving in

    The problem: limited electricity, limited computers,

    The solution seems obvious, ask the call center how they're dealing with having limited electricity and limited computers. If the problems seem insurmountable to them, then your problem doesn't matter because the call center will not be opening. If they have a solution, presumably you can copy their solution.

    Also some simple math here... you've got 500 students and 12 computers. Hmm. You can't really "practice" for too long at a time, even under ideal conditions. So 500 / 12 computers = 41 students per computer. Probably the best way to do this is 48 half hour practice sessions per day. So some kids session will be from 2:30 am to 3 am local, so what, welcome to transcontinental call center operations, he's gonna have to get used to it sooner or later.

    Frankly, the biggest call center problem isn't slow typing. As long as the kids know the alphabet and numbers before learning to type, you'll be OK.

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    1. Re:No problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The call center's solution will be to have their own diesel generators. If the dude cannot afford OLPC, he sure as hell isn't going to be buying a diesel generator.

    2. Re:No problem by pdabbadabba · · Score: 2

      The students do not live in the city. They live in a village. They will move from the village to the city where the call center is located once they learn how to type. I imagine there is much less trouble getting a reliable supply of electricity in the city. The call center also, presumably, has a larger budget.

    3. Re:No problem by Bigby · · Score: 1

      I think he should put the financial burden on the "local firm". If they want a work force, supply the education center. If the "local firm" works in unbalanced shifts, maybe let the classes run in the "down" shift. That shift might actually be during the day...I am not sure of the market of the "local firm", so I don't know for sure.

    4. Re:No problem by plover · · Score: 1

      That's a very American attitude, and it doesn't work like that over there. Labor is plentiful. Skill less so.

      He is trying to create an opportunity for those attending the village school. Nobody said "hey, train these students and I'll hire them." His hope is to provide enough qualified candidates so that the employers are pleased. If his students don't know typing they won't get the jobs, they'll simply go to others. In no case will the employer be without enough applicants.

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  23. Raspberry Pi Centered Idea by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, I don't know much about what an average Bangladeshi village has on hand but I'm going to wager that it's a very wide spectrum. So my personal advice is no matter what you find to be your solution, you should provide the DIY equivalent any DIY-able components of the pieces. In this way you can treat yourself as a one man thinktank and you can publish this stuff under CCBY3.0 and your project may enjoy self sufficiency without requiring your constant attention.

    So to start at the core of it, I would personally select a $25 non-ethernet (Type A?) Raspberry Pi, an $8 USB keyboard and $5 flash card. From there those little devices have the RCA Video (analog) out and also an HDMI out. So if one of your computers goes bad, you can always rig it up to one of these little guys. However, I also understand that you need more displays. Now this is where you have the option to become a rockstar superman. If you are not afraid of code and working GPIO pins I would suggest purchasing some of these little guys first getting it to simply display and read across what they are typing and secondly maybe use one row to take in a file that progresses in typing difficult and displays that on the first line while it waits for input and validates on the second line (might even have room to use LEDs or something else on the RPi for score keeper/carrot/stick. If you document all this, it might turn out that the villagers get wise on how to ripe a seven segment display out of anything and hook it up to these GPIO pins?

    So how to power this? Well the easy way would be to use what you have already available for power but get some of these guys and daisy chain these guys from one of your existing computers until they don't produce enough power. I would suggest researching that screen and the Pi and figuring out what their power draw is. Maybe get some cheap fuses to protect your hardware. A lot of broken appliances still have good electric motors in them and electric motors often produce energy as turbines if you spin them. Now, the big problem is how do you clean the power if people are cranking these turbines with their hands or connected to a bike's gear set? That's something I'm not much of an expert in. I do know the Pis run off of two rechargeable AA batteries just great but you also have to take care if they're planning to try to charge those batteries with a hand cranked appliance motor. From my understanding it's pretty tough to not screw stuff up if you're dealing with human generated power. Had to keep that steady and to find existing ways to clean it down to what tiny sensitive devices need.

    The upswing of all this would be that the RPis are versatile, any of those students could really do a whole bunch of things with these. And if you make this a part of the Raspberry Pi wiki, you might get people helping you with those screens -- might. At least others will be able to use your work.

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    1. Re:Raspberry Pi Centered Idea by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      Mod UP! This is the next best alternative to mechanical keyboards.

    2. Re:Raspberry Pi Centered Idea by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 1

      Another thing to consider is Linux, traditionally, has supported multiple simultaneous users so that it might be feasible to put several students on one Raspberry pi but you'd need to use a USB expander to enable several keyboards to be plugged into one computer at once.

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    3. Re:Raspberry Pi Centered Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's also this $18 portable LCD monitor that could be used (check the user images, people are already using it for the Raspberry Pi). It's analog (composite/RCA) so the resolution is limited, but it would be better than the two line LCD (36 character limitation) you linked to, and it would require less planning and development time.

      Sure, the colour LCD would require more power, but if the original poster is willing to go ~$10 over his initial budget he could power both the Raspberry Pi and that monitor from the same batter and it would probably have a decent operating time.

      Or, alternatively, he could use generic UPS units with USB->outlet adapters and power multiple heads from a single UPS unit, rather than having each head using it's own battery system.

    4. Re:Raspberry Pi Centered Idea by Donwulff · · Score: 1

      I love the solution to the power availability here: if the area has limited electricity, just chain up progressively more inefficient electricity connections out of the computer. Problem solved! This reminds me of the old solution to get rid of the evil nuclear power plants, just take the power from the wall-outlet instead.

      I was going to say the whole issue of limited electricity is little beyond the scope of Slashdot, but I suppose in a way this would be a perfect question to ask from Slashdot crowd, but it'd have to be entirely its own topic. Also the original question doesn't really clarify if the currently existing computers can be powered and if so how - I would assume this is very much an on/off situation, with poor electricity quality, brownouts and frequent blackouts. It's entirely possible they've never been powered up because they can't be as well.

      DC power from batteries rigged up to photovoltaics would seem like fairly idea solution to me, but this assumes there isn't a risk of stuff like that getting vandalized intentionally or out of ignorance and of course availability of the batteries and panels (and a couple of high power diodes, or preferably solar charger circuits), but sunlight should be plentiful. Since the computers themselves will use a maximum of 12v of voltage, a PV system should be ideal for powering the computers themselves while avoiding many of the potential pitfalls, displays might still need an inverter. Unfortunately the direct DC power-supplies needed are hard to come by, but then we seem to be dealing in wishful geek thinking anyway :)

      Any microcontroller/custom solutions might be powered off car-batteries (charged with PV or maybe whatever is available) either with individual simple regulators, or preferably laptop car battery adapter powering a bunch of them. But I think the Raspberry PI/Arduino/etc. ideas are pipe-dreams in themselves, though it's certainly nice to think the students could be taught to build up their own microcontroller computers and there'd be no problem getting the neccessary components and materials, and there was ample time to pull it all off...

      A bunch of USB keyboards on HUB's (provided the computers have USB or can be retro-fitted with it) and a program displaying what they type on a line per student would IMHO seem much more like the way to go. If having so many students per computer is indeed needed; at least in my days of basic education it felt like we had even less computers per student, yet somehow managed with a "complete" computer-science curriculum. Perhaps a class time-table design software is all that is needed :)

    5. Re:Raspberry Pi Centered Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems the LCD panel he linked to requires 24 pins to drive it. The Raspberry Pi's GPIO interface only has 26 pins, it could only drive one LCD panel.

    6. Re:Raspberry Pi Centered Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am mistaken, it's a 14-pin connector. Assuming two pins are for VDD and VSS it would seem possible to drive two LCD panels per system.

      The trick now would be directing the traffic of the two different USB keyboards to specific panels.

    7. Re:Raspberry Pi Centered Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Perhaps a class time-table design software is all that is needed

      I'd say not.

      Assuming an eight hour school day for five days a week:

      With 500 students and twelve computers each student would only get ~10 minutes of typing per day, or 50 minutes a week. (rounding down from 11.5 minutes)

      8 / ( 500 / 12 ) * 60 = 11.52 minutes per day

      If students only attended the typing class one day a week they'd get nearly 60 minutes of typing each week.

      8 / ( 500 / 5 / 12 ) * 60 = 57.6 minutes per week

      Of course this doesn't account for time lost due to power or computer failures.

      The instructor needs to add more computers/workstations to the environment to give the students a reasonable amount of time for instruction. Trying to make them as power efficient, and possibly battery powered or self powered somehow, as well would mitigate the risk caused by power outages.

      Simply coming up with a different schedule isn't going to help.

    8. Re:Raspberry Pi Centered Idea by Donwulff · · Score: 1

      An old topic, but I still gotta look through them sometimes :) Good point on actually doing out the math, though there's a lot on the problem setup we don't know. If the goal of the school is to do (well, almost!) nothing but teach the students to type on computer as fast as possible, then indeed that is insufficient. On the other hand if it's a school that's aiming to give the students pretty rounded education, which one should hope is the case, then the situation is little different.

      From my upper secondary school aka. high-school days in first world country I recall, we graduated in three years and courses on computers/typing would not even be on the schedule much of that time. When they were, there were two hours a week (like most other subjects, really). If only third of the students are taking computer classes at the same time and then only take 2 hours a week, then the amount of computers is more than sufficient. They'd still have up to hundred hours of computer education. And I'm not entirely in the wrong in remembering our rate of computers to students was somewhat similar.

      On the other hand reading in between lines, it might be a typing bootcamp like idea where all the students are simply crammed with tying lectures as fast as possible might be more the case. Putting aside moral questions and reservations, there's some practical issues, like finding suitable classrooms and teachers for all of them. I know big classes are all the rage, but I don't think it'd be possible efficiently teach classes more than around 25 students in something like that. Assuming sick leaves, vacations, preparation time etc. does the budget allow for 20 class-rooms and 40 teachers? All in all I think in that kind of mass-teaching just giving them printed or photocopied keyboard layouts and having them practice on that, maybe in pairs taking turns spotting errors, and then giving the best of them 2 hours a week on actual computer would be best solution.

      But of course as noted, we don't even know if the existing computers can actually be made to work...

  24. Build a mechanical keyboard tied to 100 students by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 0

    The school has about 500 students

    Plenty of manpower available for about 5 keyboards. Build a mechanical keyboard with 100 strings attached to students. Each student gets a key. When the learning student is typing on the mechanical keys, the string is pulled, and the key student shouts out his key. Rotate the learning and key students in and out.

    No electricity, and it will make learning boring typing a hoot and a half for the students.

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  25. any recent Android tablet/phone by kenorland · · Score: 1

    You can plug a USB keyboard into any recent Android phone or tablet. Obviously, you can charge them when you have power and use them for many hours. If you look around, you should be able to get a Coby or other Chinese Android tablet and a cheap full-size USB keyboard close to your price range (you also need a USB-to-Go cable, but they are less than $1). I've used them and they are perfectly fine tablets. Students can also use them for reading books.

    There are also some typing tutors, although more geared towards on-screen typing. There are also tons of text editors you can use for practice.

    1. Re:any recent Android tablet/phone by QuestionsNotAnswers · · Score: 1

      If you definitely want a computer solution, Android is the way to go for price and fuctionality. Pick a device that can be rooted (many no-name brands have same hardware - slatedroid.com might help you). Resistive is fine if you have a keyboard plugged in.

      You can even put bangli on it - see http://androidbangladesh.wordpress.com/2012/05/15/bangla-on-android/ also the comments mention some tablets, and the guys at the link might know what is cheap and works if you talk to them.

      If you know some programming or know someone that can help, you can use a USB hub and have two or three keyboards per device... but i wouldn't suggest you start with that idea.

      There are very cheap USB to PS/2 converters, which might help if you get second hand PS/2 keyboards donated.

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  26. Is the screen absolutely needed? by franciscohs · · Score: 1

    This might sound like a stupid question, but couldn't you start learning just using a computer keyboard disconnected from the computer, learn were the keys are, practice on getting better, etc. and then move to the computer?

    I know there is a problem on not having feedback, but I've seen many people (and I've done it myself from time to time) that when they write, they are looking at the keyboard and don't even look at the screen. In a way, this provides all the feedback you need, since you have a visual confirmation that your fingers stroke on the correct key.

    1. Re:Is the screen absolutely needed? by Thoguth · · Score: 1

      Before the advent of cheap quality weighted electronic musical keyboards, pianists would use piano keyboards that made no sound for practicing. I think you'd have to be pretty advanced before this became something of value though.

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  27. Ask for Old PC's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Send a request to HP / Dell or another large Corporation (Microsoft / Google etc). A lot of these corporations get really old PC's no one wants to use for recycling, and they may give them to you if the can write it off in taxes. You don't need gaming level systems or business level PC's, you need a very very very basic PC to teach typing, older models (3/4+ years old) should work perfectly for this.

  28. I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you're in an area where there isn't enough power available to enable computers, but you need to teach people to type on them?

    The only other idea is typewriter, but if there isn't enough money for power, there probably isn't enough money for typewriters and supplies, either.

    The need is what again?

    1. Re:I don't get it... by plover · · Score: 1

      So you're in an area where there isn't enough power available to enable computers, but you need to teach people to type on them?

      The only other idea is typewriter, but if there isn't enough money for power, there probably isn't enough money for typewriters and supplies, either.

      The need is what again?

      The need is to give these students an opportunity.

      Someone is opening a business nearby and hiring many people. This business will presumably have the resources needed to remain in business: money, net access, a reliable backup generator, a building, etc.

      There are many people in Bangladesh willing to work, and at least some of them have typing skills. If his students learn to type, they have a better chance at getting some of those jobs. If his students don't know typing, those jobs will certainly go to others.

      His budget and resources are limited, as he explained. Unlike you, he knows better than to throw his hands up in despair at a simple hurdle. Things like unreliable power are part of everyday life, and people in that region simply deal with it.

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  29. You have defined a null set by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Informative

    You have effectively eliminated all of the commercial solutions with your boundary conditions. You indicate that you don't have reliable power - that means you need a power generation device - or a power storage device - as part of your kit, or a device which does not require external power, but you have ruled out typewriters.

    You have $50, total, per piece, into which you would like to provide a monitor of some type. Given that you need a display device, a power supply, and a usable input interface, you have nearly priced yourself out of the market with this parameter alone. To that you need to add a keyboard and an interface (a raspberry pi would work) to the display. But even at the rock bottom price of a Pi, you've in for $30-35 between these two devices.

    I suppose if you can come up with a display with a DVI or HDMI input, plus a power supply, for under $20, you can get close. With the world market these days, if you need it to be cheaper than a COTS solution (commercial off the shelf) - you need a different budget or enough units to justify hardware production runs.

    Have you considered seeing if Dell will ship you a crate of 6 year old laptops for $40 a piece, and you can throw away or keep for salvage the ones which don't work?

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    1. Re:You have defined a null set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose if you can come up with a display with a DVI or HDMI input, plus a power supply, for under $20, you can get close.

      First hit searching "2x20 USB LCD" is only $24.

      Not sure why you want a DVI monitor that's gonna suck way more power...

    2. Re:You have defined a null set by godrik · · Score: 1

      you could do some tricks such as pluging two keyboards and splitting the display in two. That would require a little bit of software, but will improve the cost per post significantly.

  30. I had this very same idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use a rasberry pi $25 for the core. Build it into a standard keyboard. (~$4 with some looking), you can get small lcd screens from amazon for around $25
    They can be powered using batteries. (the lcd will need 12v so may need to use 2 6v lantern batteries, which can be found cheap at any discount hardware store)

    For slightly more, solar panels could be used. Would put you above your target but save money in the long term. Or Small hand held 12v crank generators can also be had for ~$12 off amazon for possible battery charging.

  31. IT Consultants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Start a company and use the students as it-consultants. Your clients won't be able to tell any difference.

  32. Well... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    New alphasmarts are hilariously overpriced; but used ones can easily be a factor of ten cheaper, so that isn't a bad route to go down. You'll need to fleabay or otherwise scrounge; but you can get them at pleasingly low prices.

    Another option, if the locals have some TVs, might be 'famiclones' or their slightly more modern ilk. The ones that just have controllers are no good; but there is a genre of 'c64' styled keyboard-based ones. RF and/or composite out to a TV, keyboard, usually some sort of BASIC or other typing environment of some degree of not-entirely-useless. Nasty; but cheap, cheap, cheap at the right dodgy flea market.

  33. With some work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could attach a character LCD to an Arduino (or an Attiny once it's working for the extra savings), a battery, and a keyboard and create a $50 typing tool.

  34. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps teach them the same way Kintaro (Golden Boy) taught himself.

  35. Self Built Arduino and 2x16 lcd display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Total Cost about $22, ultra low power.
    Do a search on Home made arduino clone, it will cost you about 30$ to make your programmer (you'll only need 1), but then about 7~9 per unit after that, depending on the bulk of your purchase you can get the 2x16 lcd displays down to 12.00. If your keyboards are USB its a simply hack to make them work, but if they are ps2, it would take a little research.

    Good Luck

  36. Word Processors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Available CHEAP (Under $20 + shipping and seem like EXACTLY what you are asking for)

  37. Alphasmart 3000 on EBay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/251152640672?redirect=mobile as an example. 25 for $400, an surely AA batteries can't be beat for power.

  38. Re:Build a mechanical keyboard tied to 100 student by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would limit them to, pretty much, 1 character a few second. It certainly is a good start though.

  39. Kids Vtech Laptop by na1led · · Score: 2
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  40. The perils of manual typewriters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I learned on a manual typewriter in the 1980s. This was in high school. The class was taught by a classic "proper lady" with gray hair. I have little doubt that she had been in the public school system for a couple decades, grooming young ladies for "secretarial" positions. I have no idea what the transformation was like for her, or what she thought of the boys in her class. IIRC, there were still more girls in the class than usual.

    Arguably, learning how to type did as much to help me in computing as learning how to program! I made a lot of bad choices when I was young, but taking that one course was a stroke of genius. All I remember was that my C-64 had a keyboard and I wanted to be able to use it "as intended" instead of hunting and pecking. The fact that my Dad was a clerk in the Navy and had an old typewriter made it a non-taboo practice. There was no "sissy factor" as far as I was concerned.

    Anyway, we learned on manuals. The problem? To this day I pound the keyboard. It's a habit that's hard to break. People complain about it sometimes. I try to tone it down; but it always comes back.

    So. If you can find manuals and can afford paper and ribbon (ribbons may be hard to find these days) then yes, maybe that's an idea. Somehow I doubt it's the best solution though. I don't know if learning on a manual will gives most people the pounding habit or not; but why chance it?

  41. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you read the submission?

      I also considered OLPC but it is double my anticipated budget. Do you have other suggestions

  42. Two solutions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use a PalmPilot and a folding keyboard - palm pilots start at $10 on ebay and keyboards start at $20. These run on 2 AA batteries.

    The TRS-80 model 100 has a great keyboard and an integrated display. They run on 4 AA batteries if I remember right. They start at $10 on ebay.

    1. Re:Two solutions by omnichad · · Score: 2

      If you can find enough of them, a TRS-80 model 100 is perfect. Just big enough of an LCD screen. You could load custom typing programs written in BASIC via cassette or serial interface (3K of RAM/storage by default, so each lesson might need to be a different program that has to be loaded/unloaded). They have a 4-line LCD, which is just enough to give feedback on your typing or even show them what text to type and show their typing below.

      Four AA batteries last about 20 hours, so it wouldn't be too hard to wire them all up together to a small solar setup.

       

    2. Re:Two solutions by na1led · · Score: 1

      I had a friend who owned one back in the 80s. It had a built in modem to log into local BBS's. I thought that was pretty cool.

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  43. You know what would be cool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you just want to learn to read, you could possibly start by reading things to their entirety (like the summary).

    I considered using typewriters but they are in limited supply on the market.

  44. Less Hi Tech but More Social and Fun by LeoXIII · · Score: 1

    Print a keyboard on sturdy paper (possibly over sized) and pair the kids. Have one kid "type" and the other kid check. Make them compete. Should be fun!

  45. I hate to do this... by mcrbids · · Score: 1

    It's a bit above your $50 price tag, but moments googling "typing tutor toy" took a total of 0.8 seconds to complete and brought me this solution not far from your price range.

    I had something like this as the oldest of 8 kids, the batteries were C or D and lasted for months/years. It was sturdy enough to easily endure the abuse that 8 kids put it through. We weren't "nice" to it.

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    1. Re:I hate to do this... by na1led · · Score: 1

      The Quantity listed on Amazon = 1. I don't think this is going to cut it.

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  46. Re:Start by spending your entire budget on by MightyYar · · Score: 1

    You have it all wrong. Breed them by typing proficiency.

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  47. Whiny babies - learned to type in the Army by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    We used MANUAL typewriters and we LIKED it.

    Whiny whiny babies.

    You don't need a computer to type.

    Heck, Neuromancer was written on a manual typewriter ...

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    1. Re:Whiny babies - learned to type in the Army by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You probably also peeled potatoes by hand with a puny dull knife and like it, right?

    2. Re:Whiny babies - learned to type in the Army by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Nope. cooks did that.

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    3. Re:Whiny babies - learned to type in the Army by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      You forgot to tell us to get off your lawn...

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  48. Laptops are the way to go! by davydagger · · Score: 1

    combined keyboard, monitor, mouse, AND UPS into one easy to cary package.

    the UPS part is a must for unreliable electricity.

    depending on what your budget is, how about a single large, UPS for the entire room? or even a small generator?

  49. USB keyboards connected to a Hub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't remember why my Slashdot Account is anymore, been a while since I posted.

    Anyways, would you consider writing some custom software that will let you connect an arbitrary amount of keyboards to a PC, and then project each line of typing on a wall? (Your only limit is how many kids can type at one time, and still be legible on the screen)

    That way, you only need 1 computer, but you will have many many (cheap!) USB keyboards. I'm guessing you will need to buy a bunch of (cheap!) USB hubs and have an ugly daisychain go across the classroom.

    The trouble here will be programming, if you don't know how to do it, it could be tricky. I don't know of any "off the shelf" software that does the behaviour you want. The good news is that if you ARE a programmer, making a program that does this should be fairly trivial.

    1. Re:USB keyboards connected to a Hub by Qwertie · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up, it is cheap per-student (one computer, one large screen), it can sort-of be used without power (you can type, you just can't tell if you are typing correctly), and it could do double duty as a video player. No doubt a Linux guy here on Slashdot can suggest some way to make 20 keyboards input into a single application?

  50. IBM Selectric III by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    Done, and done.

    1. Re:IBM Selectric III by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good luck finding one for $50, it costs that much to ship one. check out ebay if you doubt me.

  51. regional solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure if this ever happened, but it might work well: http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/business-brains/cheap-computing-35-solar-powered-laptop-unveiled-in-india/8836

    Also the printed piece of paper works well. Have them type phrases. For touch feedback put bubble wrap underneath. Have them take turns using the real computer keyboards with or without power and do pop quizzes when the power is on to check accuracy.

  52. Re:Start by spending your entire budget on by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    What idiot modded this down? The parent is absolutely right. Overpopulation is the root cause of most of the world's problems.

  53. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Err...do they not make mechanical typewriters any longer??

    Seems like that would be the most straightforward answer to learning typing.

    Hell, I learned mostly on the old IBM Selectric type writers...granted that was electric, but only really a couple of steps above full mechanical.

    I assumed they still made mechanical typewriters....?

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  54. Arduino + LCD shield instead of a computer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Chinese websites offer fairly cheap Arduino boards and LCD shields. How about that for simple typing?
    I suppose you could power the Arduinos via a 12V car battery plus multiple adapters, charge the battery when electricity is available.

  55. Typewriters are the right answer by LostOne · · Score: 1

    Limited supply or not, manual typewriters are the right answer for several reasons:

    1. From the submission, it seems that everything else that is not in limited supply is too expensive in either cash terms or electricity usage.
    2. High technology devices are more likely to fail, and if they fail, are much more difficult (or impossible) to fix.
    3. Even if the limited electricity supply goes away, a manual typewriter still works.
    4. A decently constructed manual typewriter will outlast any electronic device.

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  56. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by Qwertie · · Score: 1

    That's a link to OLPC - the specific thing he mentioned was too expensive for his needs. (Plus, they don't sell small quantities to individuals.)

  57. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by Zocalo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fiddly, but on the right track for getting the most out of the 12 PCs. *NIX is your friend here - what you want is what X.org refers to as a "multiseat" system - your only limit is how many discrete graphics cards you can cram into your PC(s). Here's a walkthough of setting one up with six seats. If you can get them, you could also hook up some VT102 or similar dumb terminals to the same box and maybe rig up some UPSs so you can have power available when it's needed as opposed to when it's available.

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  58. Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have two solutions.

    Before going into the ideas, let me explain where the first idea comes from.

    [ ] Backstory:
    I come from a poor country. When I was younger, I was learning to play the guitar, but I had limited access to a guitar (only a few minutes per week).

    I wanted to learn. So I took a piece of wood (dimensions: 3ft by 2 inches by ~1 inch), drew the strings and fretboard on the wood. And I would practice placing my fingers, playing all those chords and solos (I had access to guitar tabs!). I'd hum the sounds too.

    [Idea 1]
    The first idea is to take a sheet of paper and draw the keyboard (to size) (or print/photocopy the keyboard layout), and let them practice 'typing' on the paper! Probably put a thin plastic sheet on top of the paper (cheap version of lamination) to make sure their paper keyboards last! They won't get the keyboard press feedback, but this is good enough to let them figure out finger placement and relative positions of keys.

    [Idea 2]
    The second idea is to buy the cheapest computer keyboard (only the keyboard) available in the market. Alternatively, you can get donations of old keyboards (e.g. from local communities, NGOs, computer suppliers, government). "Shipping it" from other countries might be too expensive, but that is also possible. They can practice their finger placement on these keyboards, without getting screen feedback, but that is OK.

    When they get their 15 minutes on the computer, they will be comfortable with relative position of the keys in the keyboard and it will be much easier for them to type.

    1. Re:Paper by Merle+Darling · · Score: 1

      RE: paper guitar

      Yes, this, absolutely. I got stuck in a crappy situation once and had to sell my guitar. I didn't want to lose the muscle memory while I got things worked out so I wrapped a piece of cardboard with paper and drew a fretboard on it, marked notes, taped toothpicks under the fretlines and wrapped the whole thing in clear packing tape to prevent wear and decomposition from finger oils. When things got slow at work I'd break it out and jam. Good times.

      A good analog does wonders. In this case you don't even need an analog, as you said they can just use a disconnected keyboard and start slowly.

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  59. A propeller-based design would work. by tibit · · Score: 1

    Parallax Propeller would be a good CPU for this. It has ready-made libraries for PS/2 peripherals and LCDs, including video output if you'd need that. A project like this would run on a few dozen milliamps at 5V. A single solar battery charging a car battery could easily supply a few full classrooms of those.

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  60. Old skool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try getting typewriters. Nobody wants them these days so if you can find some they'll probably be cheap, and perfect for the job. Paper-and-ink based feedback on how the students are doing, no electricity requirement, simple and relatively easy to maintain. And they'll develop finger muscles to crush a modern keyboard....

  61. Dude! Paper and ink are expensive by Kergan · · Score: 1

    You clearly have not been in that part of the world. You can make paper in your back yard, if you're patient enough.

    Actually, I *live* in a similar part of the world, and as much as I can indeed make paper in me backyard if I'd feel like doing so, paper (tons of it anyway) happens to be pricey -- as is ink. I'm very suspicious that the bottom line cost is in favor of the mechanical typewriter.

    1. Re:Dude! Paper and ink are expensive by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      More expensive than electronics and uninterruptable power?

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  62. ummmm typewriter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use a mechanical typewriter that is how I learned. The teacher wanted to give us timed typing tests and it was obvious if you made a mistake using one.

  63. Handspring Visor plus GoType keyboard by steveha · · Score: 2

    I just checked eBay, and there are still plenty of Handspring Visors left for sale cheap. Those things go a very long time on a pair of AAA cells. You don't want the color model, you want the black-and-white that takes AAA cells.

    Then for a keyboard:

    http://www.amazon.com/LandWare-GoType-Keyboard-Handspring-Visor/dp/B00004TF4V

    Finally, buy a stack of NiMH AAA cells and some chargers.

    These should suffice for learning. The keyboard is a little bit small, but I was able to type on it, and my hands are not small.

    I don't know if there are any actual typing tutorial programs, but you might be able to get a college student to write one for you as a project.

    I do remember that there is at least one "typing speed" program for PalmOS. It was intended for users to test their writing speed using the stylus, but it should work for typing.

    steveha

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    1. Re:Handspring Visor plus GoType keyboard by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It doesn't have to be a Visor, either. Any full-size Palm after the III will have a serial port on the bottom and enough memory and power to run your typing tutor app. You'd need different keyboards for those, but they would take a keyboard.

      I do have a visor stowaway though, I keep thinking I'll use it for something. I broke my visor just like every other Palm device I ever had.

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    2. Re:Handspring Visor plus GoType keyboard by steveha · · Score: 1

      It doesn't have to be a Visor, either. Any full-size Palm after the III will have a serial port on the bottom and enough memory and power to run your typing tutor app.

      It doesn't have to be a Visor, but the Visor is a good choice: 16 MHz clock rate, quite good for PalmOS; at least a couple of megabytes of RAM; and a few years newer than the oldest Palm PDAs.

      Even the earliest Palm PDAs had a serial port on the bottom. Later Palms had a newer connector that included both USB and serial. Still later Palms had USB-only. All Visors had the same connector on the bottom and would work with the keyboard.

      (When the very first Palm Pilot PDAs came out, people were using them with an Apple Newton accessory keyboard, using an adapter that mated the Newton connector to the serial port on a Palm sync cable!)

      Newer Palm PDAs could work also, perhaps with Bluetooth keyboards; but they have internal batteries only, so you can't keep them going just by swapping AAA cells, and Bluetooth keyboards will cost more. The Handspring Visor solution is really quite inexpensive and should be a good solution to the problem.

      P.S. I said in my first comment that I don't know if there is a typing tutor program for PalmOS. That shouldn't be a deal-breaker, though. I personally learned to type on a manual typewriter with no typing tutor computer program. It's very possible to learn typing as long as you have a keyboard to type on. (It's probably possible to learn typing just by pretending to have a keyboard, but having feedback when you are making mistakes is a huge help.)

      But anyway I just spent some time with Google and found one typing tutor program for PalmOS. I haven't tested this so I have no idea if it is any good. There could also be others out there.

      http://www.freewarepalm.com/educational/texttutor.shtml

      steveha

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    3. Re:Handspring Visor plus GoType keyboard by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It doesn't have to be a Visor, but the Visor is a good choice: 16 MHz clock rate, quite good for PalmOS; at least a couple of megabytes of RAM; and a few years newer than the oldest Palm PDAs.

      Well, the oldest Palm PDA you could probably use would be a Palm Pro with the 2MB upgrade. A Visor doesn't have any more RAM than that, just a bit more flash (but it never gets to "a lot" of flash.) And you can overclock the pilot to get even higher speeds.

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  64. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Err...do they not make mechanical typewriters any longer??

    Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I learned with a mechanical typewriter when I lived south of the border. It is still far cheaper to get mechanical typewriters than to provide computers for each student (if the goal is to teach typing.)

  65. USED ALPHA SMARTS are cheap on ebay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are you building or buying some new thing when the stupid simple solution exists, works, and is cheap. You can easily recharge the batteries with a low cost solar system. Its certainly cheaper than buying a typewriter, after buying a ribbon, try to find those cheap.

    My four kids have access to laptops, but choose the alpha all the time because there is no chance of losing their work, and battery life is in terms of tens of months. They then can edit and print from the computer. I have a stack in the garage I keep giving to their friends. I had forty that I had bought personally for my classroom but IT didn't want to support them after I took the year off, now i am down to about ten left.)

    Most importantly easy to replace/repair.

  66. Ebay by sdguero · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Ebay by Misagon · · Score: 1

      The cost of shipping at least one typewriter across the ocean is going to cost well over $50. These things are often heavy.

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  67. Re:Start by spending your entire budget on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    greed and self interest are the root of most of the world's problems.

  68. Just order some Vtech kids Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Built in dot matrix lcd screen, qwerty keyboards, designed to take abuse, nearly eternal battery life, and have working mice. the ones for older children even look like real laptops. The price range is well within the budget. Since typing is the goal color graphics and big screen are rather pointless. much lighter than typewriters so cheaper shipping costs too.

    Hope this helps

    1. Re:Just order some Vtech kids Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if it can withstand a 5 year old it could withstand a classroom!

  69. Ask people to donate OLPC computers by steveha · · Score: 1

    I know you said you can't afford OLPC computers. You could try just asking people to donate them, and see if you get any.

    I used to have an OLPC and I gave it to a school in India. Before I handed it over, I bought a $10 USB keyboard, a USB mouse, and I installed a program called "Typing Turtle". Also, I bought an an SD card, and installed a copy of Wikipedia for Schools on it (this is a collection of Wikipedia articles, vetted to remove any vandalism, and indexed so you can use them as pure static web pages, offline).

    If you follow my other suggestion and use Handspring Visor PDAs for students, and you get a handful of OLPC computers, maybe you can use the OLPC computers for test stations.

    Be sure to get an external, USB keyboard and mouse for any OLPC laptops you get. The built-in keyboard sucks, and the built-in trackpad really sucks.

    steveha

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  70. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

    Take the PCs you have, install linux and do multi seat. Then all you need is cheap pci video cards, monitors, keyboards and mice. You should be able to get 5+ displays for each PC.

    It might be better to get some typewriters.

  71. Aside: Typewriters rock for filling out forms: by Hartree · · Score: 0

    I still keep a couple around. Not all forms are in PDF or other fillable electronic form. A typewriter is great for filling out a random paper form.

  72. Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use Manual Typewriters, they require no electricity and can be found used online cheaply and you will never need to worry about OS upgrades or crashes or needing to have everyone using the exact same model. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=manual+typewriter

  73. 7" netbook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I found a 7" netbook that covers the basics (keyboard, display, low power consumption) for $46.99 USD here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834684001

    Combine that with a free open source word processing program such as http://www.libreoffice.org/

    I'm no expert but I think that would serve your purposes. I'm sure you could reduce that rate even further by buying bulk.

    1. Re:7" netbook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That "Anonymous Coward" bothers me. Although I read slashdot daily this is my first reply. I'm known as Gaalin.

  74. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by symbolset · · Score: 1

    Take donations.

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  75. First, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    take the kids to a place where there's reliable electricity.

    Barring that, get a bunch of 50s-60s Royal typewriters, ribbons to feed them, and White Out.

  76. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was under the impression that Bangladesh's education ministry itself would have to order those, not a private charity.

    Nope. They elected a republican.

  77. TTY's? by EpitomicIndifference · · Score: 1

    Admittedly, they would still affected by the lack of power, but another option for devices with keyboard and (single line) screen are old Teletype (TTY) devices used by the deaf prior to the advent of modern smartphones. They can be picked up cheap on eBay or the like, providing a similar keyboard feel to a computer and would require no assembly on your part.

  78. Used Nook Simple Touch + Keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry for posting anonymous, but for the three Posts in the last 10 years I somehow never felt like aquiring an account.

    I believe I might have an viable solution.

    As other posters have already mentioned, the troube lies in the fact that you need a keyboard and a display.
    My first idea was using an Raspberry Pi, but that did not solve the display issue.

    The follwing Idea expects there to be some, but not much power. What is effectivly need ist the average power of one USB 2.0 Port , 5V with 500mA.
    Material need to by bought used:
    Materials:
    Nook Simple Touch: With some luck can be acquired used for $20+
    USB Keyboard: Unknown how much that will cost for a Bangladesh Layout, but $10 should be doable.
    USB Powersupply ($5).
    Selfbuild modified USB Cable ($3-$4) (Using a charged USB Hub + a MicroUsb Cable is simpler but a bit more costly)
    Micro SDHC card (1GB+) (The cheapest and smallest you can find ) ($2)

    What TODO:
    1. Root theNook simple Touch
    2. Install USB Host Mode
    3. Install a simple Text Editor from Adnroid Market
    4. Build /Buy Adapter Cable that Powers an connects the the Nook and the Keyboard.

    The following Link should get you started: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/BN_Nook_Simple_Touch/USB_host_mode

    Good Luck!

  79. test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    learning to type

  80. traitors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice job putting Americans out of work. I hope religious fanatics shoot those OLPC enthusiasts and "educators" in large enough numbers.

  81. TRS-80 Model 100 by CityZen · · Score: 1

    Where's a big box of TRS-80 Model 100's when you need them?

    Of course, I know that it's not practical to dig up a bunch of these. The idea of building something using an Arduino (or similar), a cheap 40x2 character LCD display (or similar), and a regular computer keyboard is probably the most practical. It'll run on batteries, and you can teach the students about electronics and recycling (old keyboards) while building these things.

  82. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by funwithBSD · · Score: 2

    So much misinformation...

    Royal/Olevetti still make manual typewriters. They suck. They are also damn expensive compared to a tablet, $150

    Manual typewriters use a lever system with one lever per uppercase/lowercase character, IBM Selectrics are a ball typewriter.

    Power requirements are significant, based on the heat they gave off, at least 60w, probably more.

    They are still in demand, so a working one is around $350 and up. Way more than a tablet.

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  83. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by icebike · · Score: 1

    I doubt there are any current manufacturers still in business.
    And even if there are, they are probably only making electric models.

    However, there are probably a gazillion of these things moldering away in warehouses or scrap heaps, or corporate basements, or still for sale as re-furbs.
    The problem is that they are http://mytypewriter.com/1960sorlater.aspx>expensive and becoming impossible to maintain.

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  84. Electric Typewriter by Shompol · · Score: 1


    1) Multiple keyboards/monitors connected to one desktop -- too expensive, a pain to setup
    2) Mechanical typewriter -- need to restock paper and tape -- too expensive
    3) Some kind of electric typewriter, like this one on Amazon.com Try to buy them from China, where they cost pennies, or hunt for bargains, like the one I linked. There is 12 of them available for US $28. As far as electricity being in limited supply -- that problem is much easier to fix: get a UPS power supply. (electric typewriters are not power-hungry), a solar panel, or even a power generator connected to a stationary bicycle (my father told me they used to use those during power outages)

  85. Split screen by MtHuurne · · Score: 1

    You could plug USB keyboards into a PC or laptop and let two or maybe three students share a single screen. You'd have to make your own software setup though to send the keys from each keyboard to a different window.

  86. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    /thread

  87. geez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The dude said manual typewriters are in short supply. I wouldn't believe that until I looked myself and I don't care enough to.

    How about a generator powered by gas, runnning water or... a donkey?

  88. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

    Royal/Olevetti still make manual typewriters. They suck. They are also damn expensive compared to a tablet, $150

    Ok..where are you finding a tablet for $150 and less??

    Also...you don't really 'learn' to type on a tablet...it isn't like real typing at all. You need a full sized keyboard to learn that on....and a manual typewriter still sounds like the cheapest solution to use to approximate a real typing experience (touch typing, not hunt and peck).

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  89. More Important than Typing Skills: by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

    Repeat after me:

    Thank you for calling Dell Technical Support...

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  90. 50 Dollar - seems beatable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey,
    if it is just for the typing you could buy PS/2-Connector Keyboards for around $7 each.
    A cheap microcontroller like Atmels ATTinyXX on a custom PCB could be used to connect display and keyboard. Lets say $10 for both.
    Than you just need a display and a case. Depending on how many characters it should display it starts from $8 1x16 (1 line, 16 characters).
    Lets assume a standard case for just $1. Programming this should be fairly easy as multiple projects on the internet have libraries available.

    So you get your electronic typewriter for $26. It could be even cheaper.
    These will consume much less than 10 Watt and it would be possible to power them with rechargable batteries or big capacitors.

    some sources:
    AVR keyboard: http://avrprogrammers.com/example_avr_keyboard.php
    AVR display libraries are all over the web.

    Just my two cents. This could be an initiativ of indiegogo or something similiar!

  91. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

    I learned on a mechanical typewriter in 1983. It is the obvious solution.

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  92. stop suggesting typewriters by Triv · · Score: 2

    Seriously people, stop suggesting typewriters - they're a bitch to repair assuming you can get parts, which you probably can't, are way overbuilt for what he requires of them and, at this point, probably cost more than his $50 budget anyway; all he needs is a qwerty layout with error-checking to make sure the kids are on the right track.

    Just because something is mechanical or non-powered doesn't mean it's simpler, easier, or cheaper. Try to answer his actual question without getting all condescending about it.

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  93. Buy used computers. by Misagon · · Score: 1

    Even the oldest, slowest PC that have any kind of keyboard and can run Windows 95 or up would probably do.

    The PCs don't have to be the same type. Some can be slower than others. The keyboard layout has not changed significantly over the years. There were many typing tutor programs for Windows 95, and programs for Windows 95 still work on even the newest PCs.
    (Of course, you could go even back to 80188 cpu's and DOS, but I find it unlikely that you will find used PCs that are that old. Besides, it would be better to sell those to collectors and buy more cheap PCs for the money)

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  94. AlphaSmart or equivalent by tirerim · · Score: 1

    Seems like a bunch of AlphaSmarts or equivalent would work pretty well -- they seem to be available for about $50 used. I learned to type on something very much like that in elementary school, though I have no idea what brand they were, just that they were red and had some simple typing games. They worked very well: I'm a pretty fast tough typist as a result.

  95. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good grief. Manual, as opposed to electric, typewriters. How old are you?

    Probably the sort of thing you can pick up on ebay. You may have to become proficient at finding ribbons and removing jams, though.

  96. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by lgarner · · Score: 1

    Brand new: http://www.hammacher.com/Product/81898?tid=pr81898. More than a $150 tablet, but better than a $150 tablet that you can't use.

    Not so new: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=manual+typewriter (One of those looks like what I did all my high school & some college papers with).

  97. Solar powered computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you considered using solar powered computers? Something like this http://www.thinvent.in/products/solar/solar-computing should do the trick. You could get one server, and a number of cheap $30 thin clients (see AliExpress). If you're just teaching typing, an Intel Atom, Ubuntu server can easily handle 10 thin clients. A lot of simple typing software should directly run on thin clients, without needing a server.

  98. Commercial sub $100 android laptops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are any number of Chinese producers of ridiculously cheap 7" mini-laptops that run Ice Cream Sandwich:
    http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/7-inch-via-8850-mini-laptop.html

  99. Even cheaper by sbe01 · · Score: 1

    Hey, if it is just for the typing you could buy PS/2-Connector Keyboards for around $7 each. A cheap microcontroller like Atmels ATTinyXX on a custom PCB could be used to connect display and keyboard. Lets say $10 for both. Than you just need a display and a case. Depending on how many characters it should display it starts from $8 1x16 (1 line, 16 characters). Lets assume a standard case for just $1. Programming this should be fairly easy as multiple projects on the internet have libraries available. So you get your electronic typewriter for $26. It could be even cheaper. These will consume much less than 10 Watt and it would be possible to power them with rechargable batteries or big capacitors. some sources: AVR keyboard: http://avrprogrammers.com/example_avr_keyboard.php AVR display libraries are all over the web. Just my two cents. This could be an initiativ of indiegogo or something similiar!

    1. Re:Even cheaper by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Even cheaper by sbe01 · · Score: 1

      It actually does not matter which ÂC is used. But thats a good one as well :)

  100. 7" netbook by Gaalin · · Score: 1

    I found a 7" netbook for $46.99 USD here that meets your basic requirements (keyboard, display, low power consumption) with the quantities you'd need.

    Combine that with a freeware solution like LibreOffice.

    I'm no expert but I think this combination would serve you well.

    1. Re:7" netbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learning touchtyping isn't frustrating enough, so let's do it on a 7" netbook's ludicrously cramped keyboard?

    2. Re:7" netbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Add a $5-$10 USB keyboard, problem solved!

  101. Arduino by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

    You could try using Arduino Unos.

    http://amigojapan.github.com/Arduino-Retro-Computer-with-SD-card-and-LCD-display-and-Keyboard-input-with-BASIC-interpreter/

    With standard TV sets

    http://amigojapan.github.com/Arduino-Retro-Computer-TV/

    And another variation

    http://www.pyroelectro.com/tutorials/ps2_keyboard_lcd/

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  102. Works for Pianos Too by sdoca · · Score: 1

    Similarly, when I was a kid a friend of mine took piano lessons, but she didn't have a piano. Instead her teacher gave her a paper keyboard which she practiced on. It worked for her until she proved to her dad that she was committed to learning the piano and he shelled out the dough for a real one.

  103. Just use the keyboard... by sdoca · · Score: 1

    You can practice on the keyboard without it being hooked up to anything, similarly to the post above about using paper typewriters decades ago for practice.

  104. Printed keyboards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Print keyboards on paper for practice! Learning key placement is a major difficulty for beginners, it will reduce the requirements for real keyboards, is cheap, and they can take it home for practice!

  105. You don't need working keyboards to learn keys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in 1992 my elementary school teacher went and got a whole bunch of keyboard faces that had no mechanical parts. This was a public school in the agriculture 'burbs so I'm guessing he paid for all the equipment himself. Basically a surface with all the keys and the texture of keyboards in that era. He would turn on some songs such as the one they use in the ol' Velveeta commercial and to the beat he'd yell out keys for us to press. I remember quite fondly the opening salvo -- A-S-A-S-A-S-D-F... J-K-J-K-J-K-L-semicolon. When I got to Junior High I was typing 60 to 70 words per minute after only a week or so of lessons in the computer class.

  106. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by jonadab · · Score: 2

    > Err...do they not make mechanical typewriters any longer?

    Not in my lifetime (or, at any rate, not in the part of my lifetime that I can remember), and I'm pushing forty. I suppose there's probably some geek out there somewhere who _rebuilds_ old mechanical typewriters, but new ones, to the best of my knowledge, have not been manufactured for several decades.

    Used ones might be possible to obtain, but I would not recommend using them as a tool for teaching typing. You'll end up with people who thunk the keys down so deliberately, they'll be doing well to hit ten words a minute, and eevverrrryyythhiiingg wwwill ccommme ouuut lllikkke thhhiss. You might about as well get them a Linotype machine. Yes, yes, they could learn the QWERTY layout. They could also learn the QWERTY layout, and finger positioning for that matter, from a printout on a piece of paper, which would be somewhat cheaper to ship to Bangladesh, as compared with fifty-pound typewriters. Any actual typing skill they learn from the mechanical typewriters will do them more harm than good.

    New typewriters were electric when I was a kid. Notice I said electric, not electronic. These old beasts didn't have any logic circuitry (transistors or the like), but they did have an electric motor, which was responsible for causing the little letter thingies to swing up and whack the paper (through the ribbon) significantly harder than would have been the case with just the force of your fingers hitting the keys. Depressing a key just _released_ the relevant lever: it was the electric motor that smacked it up onto the carriage. There were also the ones that used a ball instead of levers, which was particularly useful in academia, because you could substitute in e.g. a Greek ball and type letters and symbols that were not available on the standard ball. Those had somewhat more complicated circuitry than the kind with levers, to control the rotation of the ball to select the right character, but they still were not electronic in the modern sense. Either way, no electrical power meant no typing.

    People who learned to type on electric typewriters often have problems typing on a modern cheap membrane keyboard, because they press the keys down too hard. It's like switching from buckling springs to a touchscreen interface, only worse. It's not nearly as bad as having learned on one of the ancient purely-mechanical monstrosities, though. With *those* things you practically had to *hammer* the keys down to get the lever to hit the ribbon hard enough to fully strike the letter onto the paper.

    Electronic typewriters (the kind with actual logic circuitry and, usually, little LCD built in) came along in the mid-to-late eighties I think, and by the wall came down practically all _new_ typewriters were electronic. The early ones had keyboards with some tactile feedback (maybe about comparable to a Model M keyboard I guess), but they were much more like a computer keyboard than their older electronic and manual counterparts. Later ones may have actually adopted computer-keyboard technology, because by the mid nineties computers were overwhelmingly more common than typewriters. At some point typewriters switched over to dot matrix technology (which was also very popular in computer printers at the time), so then the ability to type exotic characters was purely a matter of software (or, err, firmware). If there are typewriters still made these days, they probably use inkjet printing technology and have spellcheck. I wouldn't be surprised if they use OpenType fonts.

    Dedicated "word processor" electronic devices came along around the same time (as the electronic typewriters) and might've really caught on if they'd had a few more years in the market, but microcomputers all started getting WYSIWYG interfaces just about then, and that was much better, and simultaneously microcomputers were getting to be rather a lot more affordable than previously and the notion of every household having one no longer seemed entirely ridiculous (in the developed world), and the rest is history.

    Of course, kids these days do word processing on their phones. Try explaining *that* to somebody back in the era of mechanical typewriters.

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  107. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by anubi · · Score: 2

    I still have my old Smith-Corona I went through College with. 100% mechanical. This was the one that looked like a small suitcase. Works perfect, but I would have no idea of where to get another ribbon for the thing. It uses the old cloth ribbons saturated with ink and it would shuttle back and forth as keys were pressed. Red and black ink too. Not many mechanical things nearly 100 years old still work ( this was the machine my mom went through school on ). They sure made things to last in those days.

    No erase key. You had to use those old style abrasive eraser pens or a white paint-like fluid for that. If you made a significant screw up, might as well put in a new piece of paper and retype the whole page.

    Would I go back to advocating this? No. I'd rather see them resurrect the old Radio Shack Tandy 100 with its low power processor and reflective LCD screen. With today's technology, these could probably be made with solar cells just like a calculator. I'd love to have one of those that could use a USB stick for program and data storage.

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  108. Thin Clients by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That article was written in 2006. I would be amazed if anyone could actually put it into practice today. Also you generally get a pretty limited number of video outputs even if you use all the slots you can find.

    Thin clients are probably a better way to go, but honestly, you'd have trouble getting them for that price as well, and then you'd still need to power them and have a server.

    As another poster said, the solution is a null set.

  109. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    If it starts talking to you and offering you drugs destroy it and don't do them.

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  110. A couple of ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at toys. just like the barbie camera was the first cheap digital camera I'm sure there is a toy that will do what you need.

    There used to be the Zipit, which had a qwerty layout, but didn't have a size compatible with touch typing. Leapfrog I'm sure makes something over complicated.

    An earlier poster recommended just using a picture of a keyboard, but you can get a bunch of used keyboards, to play around with cheap. and even though it doesn't do anything the hands on training will at least help people who want to learn. and then you just rotate people onto the real computers.

    An audio based feedback system could be much lower cost earbud vs monitor, but could be more work to setup.

    if you looked into a heavily modified X multi seat setup you could plug in a large number ~30 USB keyboards into a single PC and then have them share a display, like a split screen game. Does tuxtype support multi-player mode?

  111. You don't need a computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HA! The spoiled kids of today requiring a computer.

    When I was between jobs just out of school I didn't have a computer, but the house we were renting had an old computer keyboard stashed away in its cupboard.

    I thought - great, I want to become a programmer so I should learn touch typing. Asked my sister where to put my fingers and away I went learning A B C D E F etc. In no time I was typing up a storm.

    It wasn't till a few years later sitting typing away at my job that I realized that the dots to guide my fingers didn't match up, my right hand was shifted one key to the left >_ I still type like that to this day.

  112. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  113. All too easy. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    > teach students in a Bangladeshi village how to type...[with] limited
    > electricity.

    Run an extension cord down to the McDonald's.

    Next question?

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  114. Why do you need 1 computer per keyboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are custom programming, you can have 127 USB keyboards per computer. 1 large display for your single computer. If you need to track individual progress, have your program request each student to type their name at the beginning of each exercise. Then track each keyboard and flash the numlock light when they make a mistake or have a small portion of the display allocated to each student.

  115. USB hub and split screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plug cheap easy to get USB keyboards into cheap USB hubs. 7 each, let's say. Plug one hub to each of the 12 computers you have.
    Get your hands coding. A program that reads each connected keyboard and splits the screen into 7 rows were the typing is shown.
    Simple task for an old computer. From the 12 computers you got 84 simple typing machines. Feasible to teach 500 students in turns.

    It wont win the user interface award of the month, but might do the job

  116. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Ok..where are you finding a tablet for $150 and less??

    This is probably the most user-friendly place to find a wide selection in that price range. But there's also AliExpress, some of the sellers there will sell you just one. Some will only sell you 2+ (or 5+ or whatever) but honestly you can probably find a pair of tablets with ICS, 512MB RAM and 8GB flash, 7" with capacitive touch and very very low resolution for $150 :)

    For around $200 you can get 10-point touch, ICS, 10" IPS, Allwinner...

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  117. Faulty keyboards by ryzvonusef · · Score: 1

    Get the faulty keyboards that are thrown away by offices in Dhaka etc from the local recycler (or offices themselves). Give them to kids to manual practice the first couple of training sets (asdf jkl; etc). When ever slots have opened up on functional machines, and the kids have done their manual tests, promote them to those empty slots for practical training and testing.

    The benefit of the faulty keyboards will be that by the time kids move up to the functional slots, they will have gained some muscle memory advantage. Plus the fact that the keys will be faded will be an extra advantage, it will eliminate the crutch of hunt-and-peck ;P

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  118. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    You're talking an order of magnitude more power consumption than Raspberry Pis talking to LCD TVs and connected to bargain-priced keyboards. For myself living in the USA I am able to source LCD monitors with DVI connectors for $15 and less, I have three such here. And keyboards for $5. I hear the Raspi shipping price doesn't change much if you get more than one so I you can get say three of those for around $120, so call it $200 for three machines with displays and keyboards and throw the mice in really because you can get those for a buck or two. But that doesn't help someone who isn't here... Unless they're able to motivate someone here to send them anything that is very small and not easily sourced where they are.

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  119. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by johnrpenner · · Score: 1

    mechanical typewriters might actually cost more to build.. :-p

  120. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You NEED immediate feedback to learn how to type. othere ware is tlolooks like tooal shit.
    Liar.

  121. Easy: by robi5 · · Score: 1

    Harvest the mechanical energy of the keystroke. Either by using a manual typewriter, or using magnets and coils in the keys to generate tiny currents, which in turn charge a capacitor, which drive the mW level processor and LCD. If that does not work, make the kids exercise by taking turns on a stationary bicycle with a dynamo.

  122. Except.. by csumpi · · Score: 1

    Except for the fact that raspberry pis don't work with keyboards. I've tried about a dozen keyboards with mine, none of them worked correctly (repeating characters, dropped key strokes).

    1. Re:Except.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It works fine. I've used a few different keyboards with mine, including a wireless one with no problems. So have many thousands of other users.

      It sounds like a USB power supply issue. Your USB power adapter might not be providing enough power, or if you're using a USB hub it could be putting too much of a strain on the raspberry pi.

      http://devswap.com/blog/raspberry-pi-repeating-keystrokes-when-typing

  123. Typewriter? etc? no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I learned on a plastic mat. When I was 10 years old (26 years ago) we had a lab at school with apple 2s. Nobody could be expected to have access to a computer outside of school, a few might have had typewriters. We were given a plastic mat with the shape and size of a qwerty keyboard along with pages to practice. You don't need a computer at all. Just a simple plastic mat.

    You could always rotate them through the computers for real practice and so they learn to touch type.

  124. Try getting the kids some Palms by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

    You can get a palm (V/T?) with an IR keyboard quite cheap.

    They use batteries which might be more or less expensive for your needs (rechargeables?).

    You can probably get them in bulk somewhere.

    Less than your desired price and come with full size keyboards and VERY minimal power needs.

  125. MOD PARENT UP! by godrik · · Score: 1

    I already posted so I can not follow my own advice. MOD PARENT UP!

  126. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by dbIII · · Score: 1

    The things weigh a lot so would be expensive to get to where they are needed. I started with a mechanical typewriter but didn't really learn to type properly on it - I instead gained the habit of hitting keys so hard that coworkers are convinced that I'm angry.

  127. Sparkfun by porkThreeWays · · Score: 1

    For about $30 dollars you could connect an AVR to a serial enabled lcd and use a PS/2 keyboard. Run it on rechargeable batteries. I did this exact thing years back when I was studying communications protocols. My guess is that even if you don't have the skills to put together such a thing, if you contacted sparkfun and told then what you're trying to do, someone experienced would donate the 4 hours it would take them to design and program this.

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  128. Vtech by JThundley · · Score: 1

    I I learned how to type on a V-Tech aparatus in '98. Vtech mostly makes toys and stuff. This thing had a normal keyboard layout and a small LCD display. I think it only ran on a couple of AA's and might be right up your alley. It was similar to this.

  129. USB OTG exists. by lyuden · · Score: 1

    USB keyboards are cheap. USB OTG adapters are dirt cheap. And tablets under $50 that can be used as usb hosts for exist. What's the problem again?

  130. crowd source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. set up a website where people like us, who have several old machines in the basement, can print a shipping label to a harbor on the coast where we can fill a container with more cpus monitors and keyboards than you can use.

    2. teach the children about how power is made by constructing wind generators, or lower cost solar panels from cells on ebay.

  131. Arduino/LCD by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Any PIC or microcontroller should be fast enough to handle keyboard input and put it onto an LCD display. If you have PS/2 keyboards it should be really simple, USB may require a bit of implementation (like a USB host with HID support) but it shouldn't be too much work for an average programmer.

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  132. Survival of the fittest (e.g. all of them) by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

    Focus on the students. Find the 10 best typers, teach them everything. Then each of them (with help, of course) can teach 10 more.

    Many third-world countries are technocratic.

  133. some options by evilviper · · Score: 1

    Instead of typewriters, how about serial terminals? Vt100, Wyse50, etc. Whatever you can get your hands on will work. Set it to "offline mode" and when you hit a key, it'll appear on the screen, so it can be checked. They require power, but with no smarts, and a pretty tiny CRT, it's a tiny fraction of a computer. And if you get a multiport serial card, serial mux, a bunch of USB-RS232 adapters, or a terminal server, you could hook them all up to a computer, running whatever text-only typing tutor program you've got. If there's any long-standing call / order processing centers in your vicinity, you might find that they've stockpiled their old terminals as they switched over to computers.

    A second option would be pretty much any old PDA with a keyboard... All the better if you go with a B&W screen without backlight. Something like a Psion 3/5 or Osaris will run for 40+ hours on a pair of AAs. String some wires from the battery compartments and supply them with 3V (should be simple enough if you've got a car battery handy) instead of going through batteries, and you should be fine. The WinCE devices out there are almost all high power, due to color screens and faster CPUs, but could still work for you, if you can secure a good number of them.

    It wouldn't be hard to build a simple circuit that takes PS2 input, and outputs the letters to a small LCD, but since there's no such mass-market product, I think it'll end up costing more to get someone to assemble it, than it would cost to buy used junk.

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    1. Re:some options by JFilz · · Score: 1

      I agree - Terminal like Wyse can be had 2nd hand - quite cheap (if you can find them). They are also not drawing too much power. Use in off line mode as is and you got it... Optionally - Get stats and remote control ablity - use a USB serial or muitlport serial and cheap wire to connect all of them to a main PC.

  134. Layout differences? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What language are these kids being taught to type in? If it's Bengali, are we sure that the computer and typewriter layouts are identical? Hindi computers and Hindi typewriters use very different layouts, so teaching Hindi-speaking children to type on a typewriter would do them more harm than good. Bengali script is similar, so I'd check the layouts before screaming at the OP to use typewriters.

  135. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    The cheapest thing I know to "connect a keyboard to a display" is a Raspberry Pi.

    (It also happens to be aimed at educating children. I don't know if that's relevant to the OP or not....)

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  136. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    For myself living in the USA I am able to source LCD monitors with DVI connectors for $15 and less.

    The Pi also has a TV output. It was included precisely for situations like this where old TVs are a lot more common than DVI connectors.

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  137. May be this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/30/8-bit-computer-now-available-for-all-your-homebrewing-needs/

    Granted, you'll need a TV and electricity, but may be those can be lended for in house practicing and returned the following day, so they will run on house electricity and house tv instead of School electricity, keep the in school pc for those that do not have a tv and or electricity available at home

  138. Simplest Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't even need a display for every student. You isn't need them to be able to see what their errors are when they're done.

    The simplest cheapest solution would be a custom typing program attached to several USB hubs and keyboards. In theory, you could have each computer serve 100 students or more.

  139. Get a kids computer + battery charger by aqui · · Score: 2

    Toys R Us has a $20 CDN toy laptop with QWERTY keyboard:

    http://www.toysrus.ca/product/index.jsp?productId=11495909

    add 2 sets of rechargeable batteries: $2*6 = $12
    http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25023__Turnigy_AA_LSD_2400mAh_Low_Self_Discharge_ready_to_use_.html

    and a charger: $6
    http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__27991__NiZN_AA_1_5A_Battery_Charger.html

    You can charge the batteries when you have power.
    Alternatively reduce the number of batteries and chargers to less than 1 set per computer and pool the leftover $$$ to get a solar panel to power a charging station

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  140. Have you looked at Fedora 17's Multi-seat features by jaden78 · · Score: 1

    Fedora 17 has a multiseat feature where you can hookup multiple keyboards, mice, monitors to one pc. If you can get more keyboards, mice, monitors, and video cards donated or purchased you could setup those 6 PC to support 12-24 (and possibly more) students. You may want to look at the Plugable DC-125 too. They are a bit over the $50 price range but might be worth it due to it's low power requirements. You might be able to consolidate some of the PCs to help with your power issues.

  141. Hook up 4 USB Keyboards to a computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your computers have USB ports, hook up 4 USB Keyboards to each computer and have four students share a screen.

    You will probably need a special program that displays the text on the screen.

    Here is a hint how you can get at input from a particular keyboard in linux:

    http://www.thelinuxdaily.com/2010/05/grab-raw-keyboard-input-from-event-device-node-devinputevent/

  142. OLPC + keyboard by vux984 · · Score: 2

    Posted this elsewhere deep in a thread... wanted to make sure you saw it:

    I suggest:

    50% of your students get OLPC @ 100$; 50% get a 5$ disconnected keyboard. They rotate between exercises.

    Or 1/3rd get OLPC and 2/3rds with disconnected keyboards, and rotate. Every third exercise they're on the real keyboard.

  143. teach a man to type by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and he will search for a typewriter. teach a man to tweet and he will be hip

  144. 16 USB connected Keyboards and monitors by JFilz · · Score: 1

    Connected 4 to 16 USB Keyboards (optionally mice as well) and connect same amount of monitors to a few video cards like: http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/products/graphics_cards/m_series/m9188pciex16/ or http://www.amd.com/us/products/workstation/graphics/ati-firemv-2d/ati-firepro-2450-mv/Pages/ati-firepro-2450-mv.aspx or USB to Video.... http://ca.startech.com/AV/USB-Video-Adapters/USB-DVI-External-Multi-Monitor-Video-Adapter~USB2DVIE2 There is software out here to create virtual machines for each monitor and to connect a set of Keyboard/mouse to each monitor. With Windows 98, you can connect up to 9 displays. With Windows NT, you can connect up to 20 displays to one system With Windows 2000, XP, you can connect up to 10 displays to one system. With Window Vista - you can connect minimum of 10 displays to one system. - possibly up to 16 With Windows 7 & 8, you can connect up to 16 displays to one system -possibly more

  145. Re:"One laptop" program may be what you want by rinka · · Score: 1

    Oi!
    Wait a minute. I know you used to get new manual typewriters in India for approx $50-60 or so. I'm sure Bangladesh will not be too different.

    you'll get refurbished/second-hand typewriters for less than half that - most typists are now junking their old elephants for a PC. That's what you need. Oh yes, and a bunch of LED based solar powered lanterns that's very popular in the rural areas. Put them out in the sun in the day and they give you 5-6 hours light in the evening/night (so you can operate all the way till 11pm).

    At approx $20-30 per typewriter & 1 lantern per 15-20 kids, you should have a good business model there. There's loads of people around who'd fund such a business + mentor you to boot.

    All the best.

  146. Seek donations by Dabido · · Score: 1

    Set up a donation site and try to double, (or better) your budget. There are a number of donation websites out there, such as http://gogetfunding.com/ (I found that by Googling and it was top of the list). Even just setting up a PayPal donation site might work. Then, tell everyone you can about it.

    You might even be able to afford some solar panels or a petrol generator and petrol to keep the computers going. Even ask some solar panel manufacturers if you can get some for free, and ask around places like the computer manufacturers who have lease agreements (such as HP finance) if they have any old computers being returned. Approach some big corporations as well, most have budgets for donations. Or even write to Oprah (I'm sure she'd love to get involved).

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  147. You Can Skip The Displays on Practice Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Raspberry Pi has audio out. Using a little bit of programming and some headphones, you could have the computer speak what was typed via text to speech software included with most Linux distributions. Then once those students using the practice devices are proficient, they could be tested on a few computers with displays.

  148. Way to Contact? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would like to discuss a solution for you, is there a way to contact you?