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How Big Pharma Hooked America On Legal Heroin

pigrabbitbear writes "The active ingredient in OxyContin, oxycodone, isn't a new compound. It was originally synthesized in Germany in 1916. The patent on the medication had expired well before Purdue Pharma, a Stamford, Connecticut-based pharmaceutical company and the industry leader in pain medication, released it under the brand name in 1996. The genius of Purdue's continued foray into pain-management medication – they had already produced versions of hydromorphone, oxycodone, fentanyl, codeine, and hydrocodone – was twofold. They not only created a drug from an already readily available compound, but they were able to essentially re-patent the active ingredient by introducing a time-release element. Prior to the 1990s, strong opioid medications were not routinely given for miscellaneous or chronic, moderately painful conditions; the strongest classes of drugs were often reserved for the dying. But Purdue parlayed their time-release system not only into the patent for OxyContin. They also went on a PR blitz, claiming their drug was unique because of the time-release element and implied that it was so difficult to abuse that the risk of addiction was 'under 1%.'"

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  1. Well you know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That just proves that Rush Limbaugh is part of the 1%.

    1. Re:Well you know... by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously, how twisted does one have to be to get themselves hooked on heroin, yet thinks pot and people who smoke it, is evil? And people listen to this guy.

    2. Re:Well you know... by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People who yell the loudest often have the most to hide. He's simply a drug addict who hates himself, his ego won't allow that so he projects his behavior onto others.

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    3. Re:Well you know... by emarkp · · Score: 2

      Can you please point to where Limbaugh said "pot and people who smoke it, [are] evil"?

    4. Re:Well you know... by jfengel · · Score: 5, Informative

      "The FDA says there's no -- zilch, zero, nada -- shred of medicinal value to the evil weed marijuana. This is going to be a setback to the long-haired, maggot-infested, dope-smoking crowd."

      Radio broadcast, Apr. 21, 2006

      No, he's not literally calling the smokers evil, but the OP didn't put it in quotes. It's clear that he thinks they're bad people, and he did explicitly call the marijuana itself evil.

    5. Re:Well you know... by Hatta · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He supports candidates that support the criminalization of cannabis. That's close enough. Yes, that applies to anyone who supports Obama too. The War on Drug Users is an atrocity.

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    6. Re:Well you know... by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not a "have you stopped beating your wife" kind of question if the latent assumption (e.g. that Rush Limbaugh "hate[s] teh druggies") is previously established as true (which earlier posts claim is the case).

      In other words, it's not a fallacy to ask "have you stopped beating your wife?" if the previous question, "did you ever beat your wife?" had already been answered in the affirmative.

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    7. Re:Well you know... by crazycheetah · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wrong. The first is prescribed by a doctor and is highly addictive. That part you got right. Congratulations.

      Cannabis, you're wrong on, though. It is prescribed by a doctor in growing number of states in the US, and I can't speak for outside of the US on that, so I'll leave that to someone who knows better (as far as I know, it may or may not be the case elsewhere in the world that doctors prescribe it). So, a little right on the first one there, but equally wrong.

      As for addictive... Cannabis IS addictive. Psychologically for sure (you can be psychologically addicted to all kinds of things, though). Physically, despite popular, bullshit lies, you CAN be physically addicted to cannabis. Physical Dependence requires Tolerance and Withdrawal. You definitely get tolerance with cannabis, specifically because the receptors that the cannabinoids attach to begin to down regulate or stop functioning so that you need more cannabinoids to have the same effect. As for withdrawal, there is very clear withdrawal symptoms associated to stopping cannabis use suddenly: irritability, anger, aggression, restlessness, difficulty focusing, increased appetite, weight gain, sleep disturbances (insomnia, disturbing dreams, etc.), anxiety, depressed mood, cravings, sensitivity to light, stomach pain, increased sweating, fever, chills, and headaches, to name a few. In fact, because this has become accepted fact throughout the psychological and medical fields, they are adding official diagnosis of Cannabis Withdrawal to the latest diagnostic standards (mind you, they are also dropping the terms Abuse and Dependence and moving to simply Substance Use Disorders, with a spectrum of No Diagnosis, Mild, Moderate, and Severe).

      Reputable facts are a good thing to know if you're going to make claims...

    8. Re:Well you know... by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only thing you need to know is that he loves money, and has found a niche that happily pays him plenty of it.

      Frankly, I long ago gave up any hope that any of the major Conservative commentators was being sincere. There's so much money to be made preaching to the choir, and it does matter how over the top the rhetoric they will lap it up, that I think Conservative talk shows are about as real as a carnival side show. Think of Rush as the bearded woman and you've figured out the secret.

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    9. Re:Well you know... by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think the last time I actually listened to Rush was in 1997, so I really can't remember...

      Oh, you're missing out. While Test for Echo was pretty good, that's no way to leave yourself hanging. Rush is still touring, and in fact they released Clockwork Angels in June this year.

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    10. Re:Well you know... by crazycheetah · · Score: 2

      I will add terms that will work, though:

      Of the two drugs mentioned, one can fairly easily be taken in high enough doses to kill you, while the other you practically need an IV with ridiculously high doses for it to kill you. That is a pretty big difference.

      Neither one has withdrawal symptoms that are likely to kill you, though (opiate withdrawal is significantly more severe and also more likely to interact with medical conditions that could lead to death as the withdrawal makes those medical conditions worse, however).

    11. Re:Well you know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes your facts follow that Cannabis overdose is the main reason for ER visits.... lol....

      The legal effects are far more dangerous to the individual than the substance.

      Withdrawal from sugar is far more pysically rough, so whats your point?

      Anyway oxycontin kills daily....

      Here is a fact for you..

      How much cannabis does it take to kill a lab rat? 2.5 pounds if you drop it from about 3 feet.

    12. Re:Well you know... by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am a medical marijuana patient in California.
      I also was a habitual pot user 25 years ago when I was a teen, for about a year.

      I agree that "harmless" is a stupid thing to call anything that you ignite and inhale into your lungs, and would concede that it might be mildly physically addictive.

      If so, however, it is FAR less physically addictive that caffeine (coffee, soda). The withdrawal symptoms, if any, are FAR less severe than those of a Starbucks addict going cold turkey.

      As far as psychologically addictive, there is no such thing. Addiction is bio-chemical. You cannot be "addicted" to gambling, shopping, masturbation, etc. These are compulsive behaviors - they are NOT addiction. That is not meant to insult sufferers, compulsive behavior patterns are an illness and are FAR worse to deal with than simple physical addition. With physical addiction, you simply need to detox.

      But compulsive behavior cannot be blamed on the object of that compulsion, whether it be cannabis, eBay shopping, sex, or collecting beanie babies.

      Beanie babies are not a gateway drug. But they have bankrupted people and destroyed lives. Ban THEM? Of course not.

      If anything can be said to be addictive about these things, it is an addiction to brain chemicals the behaviors cause the release of. If you are addicted to your own serotonin, you are NOT a "stamp collecting addict."

      You need treatment, but stamps are not the cause.

      Cannabis, if it has a physical addiction component, has one that is far less severe than many substances that have no regulation whatsoever, and are sold to kids in machines in some of their High Schools.

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    13. Re:Well you know... by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously, though, there is a vast difference between taking a prescribed drug and becoming addicted to it and using a proscribed drug for the explicit purpose of getting high.

      Yes, the first is where you're being abused by people who are supposed to care for you, and the second is living your life like a free person.

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    14. Re:Well you know... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The answer is "yes" he hates the people the same amount. That is, not

      Bullshit. I know you want to parlay the admission of ignorance of his opinion on homosexuals into not actually having listened to him at all, but this is not true and you can't just lie to my face like that. He spoke on the subject more than often enough for your words to mean anything.

      Just so you know, most people realize that calling weed evil isn't the same as calling the people who use it evil.

      Yeah and calling them maggot-infested is both accurate and a compliment. LOL.

      I didn't say he said they were "evil", I said he hates them, and he does. How much vitriol does someone have to spew at a group of people before it is clear that they hate them? The answer is much less than he has.

      If you're going to do a word-mincing jerk-off session, at least make sure you're stroking the right verbiage.

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    15. Re:Well you know... by GarretSidzaka · · Score: 2

      calling being pissed you dont have weed a "withdrawal symptom" is like calling a headache a "major neurological disorder".

      And being a doctor or psychologist does not necessarily mean that they are "truthful" or "unbiased". in fact i would wager that being in the medical field would ensure a healthy bias. And doctors definitely, as a whole, OMIT information from the public about many things: like side effects of drugs, the over prescription of drugs, useless treatments and the 30,000 dead each year in hospitals from C.Diff, preventable with just a bit more money spent on sterilization.

      I DONT TRUST DOCTORS BOSSMAN

    16. Re:Well you know... by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yep, and I am one of them. I am compulsive. I have tried, sometimes very successfully, to channel that compulsion into productive activities.

      For me, cannabis actually helps me chill out and CONTROL that behavior which otherwise has often overturned my life chaotically.

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    17. Re:Well you know... by fatphil · · Score: 2

      > ... in the ICD-10 classification, which would be the diagnostic criteria followed by every medical doctor out there ...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICD-10
      """
      Some 25 countries use ICD-10 for reimbursement and resource allocation in their health system. A few of them made modifications to ICD to better accommodate this use of ICD-10.
      """

      So there're 200 countries which don't use it, and of the 25 that do use it, some of them have rewritten parts of it, and yet you say "every medical doctor"? That's a significant rounding error.

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    18. Re:Well you know... by jfengel · · Score: 3, Informative

      He definitely used the "long-haired, maggot-infested, dope-smoking" line elsewhere, on more than one occasion:

      http://mediamatters.org/video/2011/03/02/limbaugh-wisconsin-protesters-are-long-haired-m/183331
      http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2012/06/06/audio-limbaugh-poor-romney-accused-of-bullying-a-long-haired-maggot-infested-dope-smoking-type-kid-back-in-prep-school/

      and it's obvious he's not joking, and it's clear that he doesn't care for marijuana users.

      The other one may be too far in the past for people to dig up, but this seems sufficient to confirm the OP's point. And given that much, it seems unlikely that the above quote is faked or taken out of context. If it is, it shouldn't be that hard for a dittohead capable of listening to this dreck to dig it up the specific broadcast and refute it.

    19. Re:Well you know... by ortholattice · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In fact, because this has become accepted fact throughout the psychological and medical fields, they are adding official diagnosis of Cannabis Withdrawal to the latest diagnostic standards (mind you, they are also dropping the terms Abuse and Dependence and moving to simply Substance Use Disorders, with a spectrum of No Diagnosis, Mild, Moderate, and Severe).

      In fact, because this has become accepted fact throughout the psychological and medical fields, they are adding official diagnosis of Caffeine Withdrawal to the latest diagnostic standards (mind you, they are also dropping the terms Abuse and Dependence and moving to simply Substance Use Disorders, with a spectrum of No Diagnosis, Mild, Moderate, and Severe).

      It seems to me that the listed symptoms of Cannabis Withdrawal are less severe than those of Caffeine Withdrawal.

    20. Re:Well you know... by tsotha · · Score: 2

      Wait... he supported Obama?

    21. Re:Well you know... by demonlapin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If someone tells me that Rush is an idiot, my usual response is to remind them that he probably works about eight hours a day to make millions a year. He might endorse some stupid opinions, but dumb he ain't.

    22. Re:Well you know... by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Informative

      As far as psychologically addictive, there is no such thing. Addiction is bio-chemical. You cannot be "addicted" to gambling, shopping, masturbation, etc. These are compulsive behaviors - they are NOT addiction. That is not meant to insult sufferers, compulsive behavior patterns are an illness and are FAR worse to deal with than simple physical addition.

      Compulsive behavior is stuff like hair pulling, counting, excessive showering or hand washing, and a hundred other things.
      Psychological addiction is the reason drug users who want to stop cannot, or why smokers have oral fixations, or the cravings you experience once the physiological addiction is conquered.

      Psychological is almost always caused by a physiological addiction.
      There are people who have physiological addiction but not a psychological one.
      Those people can quit smoking or quit heroin on a whim and never have a relapse or craving.

      If you want to argue that physiological addiction leads to compulsive behavior, fine.
      But compulsive behaviors and psychological addictions only overlap, neither is a subset of the other.

      TLDNR: There is a difference between physical needs, mental cravings, and mental compulsions.

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    23. Re:Well you know... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      The only thing you need to know is that he loves money, and has found a niche that happily pays him plenty of it.

      Frankly, I long ago gave up any hope that any of the major Conservative commentators was being sincere. There's so much money to be made preaching to the choir, and it does matter how over the top the rhetoric they will lap it up, that I think Conservative talk shows are about as real as a carnival side show. Think of Rush as the bearded woman and you've figured out the secret.

      Sometimes I wonder if that's what FOX News is about. Is Murdoch a right-winger, or did he just figure out that there was a big niche to be explopited?

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    24. Re:Well you know... by Genda · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sorry but cannibis has one of the longest and most illustrious histories of any cultivated plant, up until the time that well monied interests decided to demonize it to bury the hemp industry. The only thing evil about marijuana is that the pharmaceutical industry has spent millions to ensure it remains unavailable to the millions of people suffering from cancer and chronic pain.

      After California legalized medical marijuana, a pot cooperative in the Santa Cruz area was targeted by the Fed. In 2002 they marched into a quiet and peaceful community, held a single woman pinned to the floor with a shotgun to her head, and proceeded to tear up the pot plants in the back yard. The members of the coop began arriving, many in wheelchairs and on oxygen. They simply parked themselves in the driveway. The woman of the house commented "Seems we 're holding the big bad Marshals hostage."

      The incident lead to the painful and untimely deaths of dozens of coop members. The incident was also a PR disaster for the Federal Marshals, and neighboring police departments made it very clear they'd have nothing to do with any future such events hosted by the DEA and Federal Marshals. I'm looking and the number of people dying of prescription drugs in our society is simply shocking, nobody dies of pot, save the victims of the illegal trade made possible by the idiot laws preventing the legal trade, control and taxation of marijuana. At this late and ridiculous point in the process of a product more widely used than any other save perhaps alcohol, is not time to say, Okay, this war was lost, perhaps diplomacy is now a better track.

    25. Re:Well you know... by Genda · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is no particular intellectual component to pandering. The fact that the mouth-breathing, knuckle dragging masses that gobble up his swill are less bright than he, only tells me that his IQ isn't in the single digits... there's still plenty of room for profound idiocy, and Rush has publicly uttered inanities that remain classic even to this day. You do remember his verbal assault on Michael j. Fox for "Faking his Parkinson's" after doing a commercial for Democrat in Missouri. By the way, the year before Mike did a similar commercial for a Republican in another state whose voting record on stem cell research was admirable. Because Mike is passionate about curing the disease that will ultimately kill him. Russ is like Samson from the bible. He kills with the jawbone of an ass.

    26. Re:Well you know... by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2

      You have it wrong, a lab rat will surely survive a drop of 2.5 pounds of cannabis from 3 feet. Do your math properly, you are on news for nerds' website.

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    27. Re:Well you know... by Cytotoxic · · Score: 2

      Shhh.... don't tell them that people with a big (D) after their name are no better, and in some cases much worse than people with a big (R) after their name on the drug war. Next thing you know they'll be looking into Gary Johnson's candidacy.

      Don't talk about pot legalization. It is a gateway drug to all sorts of evil ideas about personal freedom. Stay asleep and choose between your giant douche and turd sandwich.

    28. Re:Well you know... by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      As for addictive... Cannabis IS addictive. Psychologically for sure

      The term for that is habituation, not addiction, and as you alluded, anything can be habitual. Drink a glass of orange juice every morning and when you're out, you have a bad day. It's not anything in the orange juice, it's the act of drinking it every day. marijuana is no different.

      Physical Dependence requires Tolerance and Withdrawal.

      Correct. That is addiction. Coffee, alcohol, tobacco, all addictive. Withdrawal from alcohol or heroin or oxycontin can kill you.

      You definitely get tolerance with cannabis, specifically because the receptors that the cannabinoids attach to begin to down regulate or stop functioning so that you need more cannabinoids to have the same effect.

      Actually with marijuana, if you smoke a joint first thing every morning and keep smoking all day every day, being high will be normal to you and you'll have to smoke more to FEEL high. This is far different from alcohol. Seven beers and I can barely walk at all, but my alcoholic friend Amy walked to the hospital with over a .4 BAC, that's twice as much as will kill most people. If she went without a drink for two weeks, half that amount would kill her. THAT is tolerance. Many heroin addicts who go through treatment or are incarcerated die soon after they're released; they get their first hit and overdose, because they've lost their tolerance and do the same amount they did before thwy dried out.

      As for withdrawal, there is very clear withdrawal symptoms associated to stopping cannabis use suddenly: irritability, anger, aggression, restlessness, difficulty focusing, increased appetite, weight gain, sleep disturbances (insomnia, disturbing dreams, etc.), anxiety, depressed mood, cravings, sensitivity to light, stomach pain, increased sweating, fever, chills, and headaches, to name a few.

      Odd, I've known pot smokers all my adult life, many of them very heavy daily users. Quite often the supply dries up and there's none around for a couple of weeks, but I've never seen these symptoms in anyone, with a couple of exceptions:

      irritability, anger, aggression, restlessness

      These are symptoms of bipolar disorder, not of drug withdrawal, and marijuana is a good treatment for these symptoms. You could say that schitzophrenia is a symptom of Haldol withdrawal and you'd be equally wrong -- the Haldol is prescribed to keep the schitzophrenic from being batshit insane. Folks with bopolar disorder often self-medicate with pot and don't even know they're self-medicating.

      difficulty focusing

      Think about that one for a minute... you've been high for a week and you have difficulty focusing when you quit??? That's insanely illogical.

      increased appetite, weight gain

      LOL, you get the munchies when you're high, not when you stop.

      sleep disturbances (insomnia, disturbing dreams, etc.),

      I never heard anyone having trouble sleeping when quitting pot, but the disturbing dreams, yes -- because when you smoke pot, you don't remember your dreams at all; I suspect that remembering your dreams is a bug, not a feature, of the human brain. But when you haven't had a dream for two years, any dream is going to be disturbing.

      anxiety, depressed mood

      Again, these are symptoms of mental illness that the marijuana simply masked.

      stomach pain

      Not just stomach pain, all pain. Pot is a weak analgesic that works for lots of pains, including arthritis. Again, I must be addicted to aspirin and naproxin, because a withdrawal symptom of those drugs is often arthritis!

      Reputable facts are a good thing to know if you're going to make claims

      You mean REFUTABLE facts. Your "facts" are incorrect, and I don't care who told you, they're incorrect.

      Psychology is almost science, it is where astrology was before it became astronomy. I took a psychology class in collge, and I quote the instructor: "There isn't a psychologist alive that there's not another psychologist calling him a gold-studded liar." Freud and his "everything comes down to sex" is pretty much how scientific psychology is. Where are your controlled studies? Your link cites none.

    29. Re:Well you know... by demonlapin · · Score: 2

      Like I said, with charm like that, I can't imagine why they're not beating a path to your door.

  2. Dont forget the low cost by jhoegl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They keep the cost low even though other drugs have increased considerably in cost.
    Why is that, one might ask.

    1. Re:Dont forget the low cost by Stickerboy · · Score: 4, Informative

      They keep the cost low even though other drugs have increased considerably in cost.

      Why is that, one might ask.

      Low cost? OxyContin is one of the most expensive PO pain medicines doctors use.

      I have insurance companies tell me all the time that they would rather I use one of the cheaper alternatives if OxyContin comes up.

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    2. Re:Dont forget the low cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The man made his income by giving up any semblance of a soul he had to become as close to a literal mouthpiece for a powerful political party as is possible while still being considered "human". His entire career is built around echoing talking points and riling up a voter base according to the whims of the bigwigs in the party. Nothing more. He has no opinions, he has no thoughts, he has no ideas that aren't specifically vetted by whoever's pulling his strings to make him talk and spread hate and fear over the airwaves. He made his income by being a complete tool, plain and simple, cut-and-dry.

      And you're saying that makes US feel like worthless garbage? Pfui! Looking at that man's "life" makes me more proud than ever of how my own life turned out!

    3. Re:Dont forget the low cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, personally I'm kind of glad Rush Limbaugh hasn't OD'd yet. Everything about him makes me feel like I'm an amazing, intelligent, thoughtful, caring human being. Well... at least by comparison. Otherwise I'm not so impressive.

    4. Re:Dont forget the low cost by jersey_emt · · Score: 4, Informative

      OxyContin is many things, but one thing it is definitely not is cheap. A month's prescription costs hundreds of dollars.

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    5. Re:Dont forget the low cost by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The street price is higher because the pharmacy cost is higher.

      The street price is higher because the drug is on the federal schedule of drugs as something to be restricted. The street price is higher because the demand for it is significant. The street price is higher because the risk of getting caught dealing is higher, and the penalties greater. The street price is higher because people will pay it. For every person who walks away because they think $80 a pill is too high, there is someone next in line who will pay it.

      The point was, however, that using the "street price" as some indicator that the manufacturer charges too much is just silly. It's not the stadium's fault when you buy a ticket from a scalper for a sold-out game for ten times the box office price, nor is it the stadium's fault when the scalper charges you a service fee to make up for his costs in getting tickets and the risks of doing so.

    6. Re:Dont forget the low cost by sjames · · Score: 2

      And they wonder why people can't afford healthcare.

      That is outrageous.It's unfortunate that some people abuse methamphetamine but that's no excuse to make it so expensive for people using it legitimately. It really shouldn't cost much more than generic aspirin at this point.

    7. Re:Dont forget the low cost by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

      I have insurance companies tell me all the time that they would rather I use one of the cheaper alternatives if OxyContin comes up.

      Methadone is dirt cheap, but its use as a painkiller is leading to its outsized share of overdose fatalities.
      It's being prescribed by general practitioners who aren't monitoring patients like they do in methadone clinics, leading to accidental overdoses.
      Nationally, methadone represents 2% of prescriptions and 30% of fatalities.

      The CDC's websites have some information:
      http://www.cdc.gov/features/vitalsigns/methadoneoverdoses/
      http://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/MethadoneOverdoses/

      But what they don't tell you is that these deaths are highly concentrated amongst those on Medicaid
      "In Washington, the poor have been hit the hardest. While Medicaid recipients make up about 8 percent of Washington's adult population, they account for 48 percent of the methadone deaths."

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  3. History repeats itself by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Informative

    And of course, heroin itself was introduced as a "non-addictive" alternative to morphine.

    From Wikipedia:

    From 1898 through to 1910, diacetylmorphine was marketed under the trademark name Heroin as a non-addictive morphine substitute and cough suppressant. Bayer marketed the drug as a cure for morphine addiction before it was discovered that it rapidly metabolizes into morphine.

    Funny how history repeats itself.

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    1. Re:History repeats itself by k6mfw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I cannot help but think of the huge numbers of people in this country are druggies whenever I read articles like this or all these drug commercials and ads. I'm talking about the "legal" ones which I think are higher numbers than your typical addicts that get non-regulated non-prescript from the dealer on the street. And then to think there was a time in China when much of the population were opium addicts which made much of the country dysfunctional and was easily overran by foreign powers (i.e. the Opium Wars). I see the USA going the same route. If I could wave the magic wand, my first would be to prohibit advertisements of prescription drugs on television and internet and magazines. Restrict it to only medical magazines and journals.

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    2. Re:History repeats itself by reub2000 · · Score: 2

      And how many people are addicted to booze? People are looking for ways to alter their minds. Restricting advertising isn't going to do any good.

    3. Re:History repeats itself by Telvin_3d · · Score: 2

      Restricting advertising isn't going to do any good.

      It's illegal to advertise any prescription drug in Canada. Makes a huge difference. Also makes US television commercials seem unwatchable by comparison. A full third of them seem to be for drugs.

    4. Re:History repeats itself by zazzel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's something fundamentally wrong with the "there's a drug for everything!"-attitude in the U.S. I've been brought up by my parents to know that a) most small aches go away anyways, b) medication ALWAYS comes with side effects and c) I should go for the causes of my problems, not the symptoms.

      So, in essence, even for most cases of diagnosed "depression" (not: clinical depression!) these days, I would rather look for changes to my life style (work environment, friends, family, sports, food...) than take medication.

      ESPECIALLY considering the absurd cost of prescription drugs and the insane marketing pressure behind them.

  4. 1% is probably true for all opiates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The vast majority of people who are prescribed opiates do not become addicted to them. Most people who have try heroin or cocaine do not become junkies/fiends who destroy their lives in an attempt to stay high all the time. The "one hit and you're hooked for life" thing is just prohibition propaganda.

    1. Re:1% is probably true for all opiates by sdguero · · Score: 3, Informative

      How many people do you know that have tried heroin and not gotten addicted? How many people do you know that have been "prescribed" heroin? I can think of one person, a roommate I had in college that got violently ill after trying heroin and never did it again. I also know several people that have gone the other route, tried the stuff, loved it, and had sustained heroin addictions for at least a couple months before weaning off. That or they never quit and are now either dead or lost to me. In my experience, heroin addiction is remarkably similar to oxy addiction but is VASTLY different from cocaine (It's not an opiate!!!). The only drug I have seen that is more destructive than heroin/oxy (i.e. opiates) is meth. Meth is really really fucked up.

      Seeing your buddy quit a "mild" oxy addiction cold turkey is enough to make someone never want to touch the stuff. It is brutal.

    2. Re:1% is probably true for all opiates by pepax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I tried heroin once. Back in my hitch-hiking days I smoked it (believe it or not) with one of the drivers. It was absolutely wonderful. It felt like I just totally aced a toughest college exam. A complete euphoria. Pure happiness. In fact, it was so wonderful that I decided not try it ever again, because I could see how easily one can become addicted to it. But I did not get addicted. Then again, even back then, I was a motivated student, and my goal was to pursue science. Wasting my life doing drugs wasn't my plan. I might possibly try it again, given a chance, since it's now been almost 20 years. I am not planning on seeking it out, though, and I don't hitch-hike anymore, so I don't think it's going to happen, which is probably for the better.

    3. Re:1% is probably true for all opiates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How many people do you know that have tried heroin and not gotten addicted?

      Quite a few, actually. A lot of people I knew experimented with heroin at my college, and very few (if any) developed an addiction. I don't think the overall percentage is 1%, but I don't think most people will get physically addicted on first use.

      As for psychological addiction ("loving the stuff"), that's a different story. But the notion of psychological addition and the "addictive personality" is mostly a cultural construct anyway. Not entirely, since some people clearly have a biological susceptibility to certain chemicals -- but mostly.

      Everyone has emotional pain in their lives, but if a person can't resist the urge to constantly turn to intoxicants to make that pain go away, saying that they have an "addictive personality" is basically a gussied-up way of saying that they lack self-control and the ability to make rational choices. They haven't learned to say "no" to the bratty toddler inside them; they expect to get what they want, when they want it, and can't handle the fact that life is both pleasure and pain, joy and disappointment, excitement and boredom.

      ("Oh, but it's not their fault, they have an addictive personality"...well, nothing is anyone's fault then, is it? What bad or destructive act can a person commit that can't be blamed on society, parents, or biology? At what point do we say that a person has some free will, and if they're a shitty person it's their own fault more than anyone else's?)

    4. Re:1% is probably true for all opiates by SternisheFan · · Score: 2

      That's opiate addiction for you. As a rule, addicts are selfish people, it's what their addiction demands. Take away the addiction, and you might have a normal, selfless person again, though some people will always be jerks, such is people. I've learned kids start out by raiding their parent's pills (medecine chest), when their parents get wise and lock away their medecine, now the kid is cut off from his/her supply and has to go look elsewhere. (And perhaps the kid has learned that if you crush and snort the pills, you get the pills time released dosage all at once, major rush. Now the kid is hooked for sure. "Friends" show them to heroin dealers, and now the kid usually has to steal to get the money for the dealer. Burglarizing homes is the easiest method, stealing cars for the catalytic converters is another. One kid I talked to told me he stole 30 cars a day! I asked him where his morals were, he just said nothing. Unless you can afford the addiction, you have to steal to satisfy it. Addicts are really the hardest working people. They wake up from their last shot with no money on them, but you can bet that by the end of the day they'll have hustled up that money some way or another. People never intend to become addicts. Some wouldn't steal no matter how bad the withdrawl gets. Bottom line, love the addict, but hate addiction. It might be your kid someday.

  5. lies, damn lies by craftycoder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The son of a colleague of mine chewed up a few at a party and promptly over dosed. Happy 19th birthday kid, you dead.

    1. Re:lies, damn lies by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Informative

      If it was OxyContin, then he probably died from acetominophen overdose. They add huge amounts (near lethal doses) to keep people from taking too many pills. Unfortunately, some people don't read the label nor understand the toxicity of Tylenol.

      And unfortunately, reading comprehension is a problem with at least some ACs.

      Oxycontin DOES NOT have acetaminophen (Tylenol for USer's, paracetamol for the rest of the world).

      Percocet, Roxicet and various other short acting formulations do.

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    2. Re:lies, damn lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He died from a case of stupid.

    3. Re:lies, damn lies by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Is it any wonder this gets confusing? Every drug has a minimum of three different names: The unpronounceable chemical name, the generic name, and the brand name. But most of them are sold under many, many brand names in different countries and by different manufactuers, and sometimes even by one manufacturer in one country. Even the one you refered to you have to mention under three different names, and that's before you even get into formulation differences and different regulatory classification schemes. Only a specialist could hope to keep track of them all.

    4. Re:lies, damn lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      As a pharmacist, I can tell you that Oxycontin DOES NOT have any acetaminophen (APAP) in it. However, Percocet and its various generics do.

    5. Re:lies, damn lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Only a specialist could hope to keep track of them all.

      Even specialists sometimes can't. One of the problems with our health care system is that the sheer amount of medications have overwhelmed the average doctor's ability to keep up. Pharmacists are typically much better, but that's because they focus entirely on prescription drugs.

      Then again, at no time in our history have we, the patients, had as much information at our fingertips. There are online drug databases where we can look up information on the prescriptions we take. It's beyond stupid to take any drug without reading the 2-3 pages of text on precautions, interactions and other general information. Google searches will yield even more information. If you have any concerns, it's very easy to bring your concerns to a pharmacist who will most likely be able to help you on the spot or will, at a minimum, look up the information necessary and figure out how to answer your questions.

    6. Re:lies, damn lies by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Ah crock of shit. What a crock of shit, I take endocet(oxycodone hcl 5mg/acetaminophen 325mg) every 4-6 hours as required for my back along with long acting Hydromorphone(10mg twice daily). And I'll be honest, if I didn't I couldn't even function, I fractured my C2 and C3 a few years ago, and let's be honest here. I'm damn lucky I didn't die from it, or am a paraplegic, or partially crippled(though I would be without the pain killers--though from people who read my posts this would explain why there is sometimes a lack of coherence, especially between that and the 60mg of baclofen I take for the spasms).

      Now before I was on the endocet, my family doctor gave me tylenol 3's(that's 325+30mg codine) and I was taking two of those every 4hrs and it wouldn't do shit, but before that regular over the counter acetaminophen w/codeine didn't do shit. And here in Canada, you get them without a prescription. Now his advice was "as many as you could stomach, not exceeding 20 in a 24hr period" yeah that's a lot of pills(325x20=6500mg acetaminophen+codine) . And I was in a lot of pain. Needless to say, I'm still alive, and my liver is fine.

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  6. More hype and angst by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Another Slashdot 'article' full of slant and hyperbole.

    Yep, Purdue over marketed the drug, Pharma always does that.
    No, it was never considered 'safe' - oxycodone has always been DEA schedule II (the most 'dangerous of legal drugs').
    What isn't discussed is that the reason that long acting opiates were allowed by the FDA was the increasing realization that medicine has done a historically poor job of treating pain.

    Now, allopathic medicine has used, and continues to use a very immature and inadequate model both pain control and addiction. The former is hobbled by limited good research on the issue and the fact that the opiates (heroin, morphine, oxycodone and similar drugs) have been the most effective against serious pain while being significantly addictive. The latter hobbled by addiction being both a legal and a medical problem in the US. The legal system and the medical system tend to work poorly with each other and this is not an exception to that rule.

    And I've not even started on the human propensity to stuff whatever it can down it's collective gullet in order to achieve some different level of consciousness.

    Yep, Purdue did some poor marketing and a lot of docs (for some bizarre reason) fell for it, but they are hardly the only players in the game.

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    1. Re:More hype and angst by aabrown · · Score: 5, Informative

      I agree with you for the most part, but... Mr. allopathic: there are two kinds of medicine: medicine and NOT medicine (homeopathic, reiki, acupuncture, and the rest of the (S)CAM stuff). That is all.

    2. Re:More hype and angst by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      Another Slashdot 'article' full of slant and hyperbole.

      My thoughts exactly. None of this is news (or even noteworthy) to anyone following the medical industry. Drug patents are not on just a chemical, but on exact formulations and their use to treat specific diseases in specific ways. Double the strength of each pill and have doctors prescribe one daily rather than two, and it's a new patentable drug. Mix in a practically-irrelevant bit of aspirin and it's a new combination that relieves symptoms and pain!

      It's not that Purdue was particularly evil in their marketing of the drug. They're no worse than anybody else. Of course, rather than decry the whole medicine business and its ludicrous inefficiencies and rent-seeking, the author picks one particular scapegoat for today's Two Minutes Hate.

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    3. Re:More hype and angst by Nursie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With you right up until 'allopathic'. The use of that word outs you as an 'alternative' medicine nutjob.

      If the pain model used in medicine is immature and inadequate, it still represents the best we have. I very much hope that if it is immature and inadequate that some serious research is going into that area.

      Because any of the alt-med crap may as well have been pulled out of my butthole. I'd rather have immature than a blend of fantasy and charlatanry.

    4. Re:More hype and angst by Tinbuktu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Thank you, ColdWetDog

      I find that many people who have not personally experienced years of serious chronic pain tend not have the slightest idea of what they are talking about. For these people Oxycontin=Rush. That's all they really need to know. Nevermind the solid, repeated research that shows only 2% of chronic pain patients on long term opiate therapy become addicted. Nevermind the conflation of addiction and physical dependence. Nevermind the studies showing that when properly managed, long term opiate therapy is both safe and effective over periods of 20 years or longer. Nevermind the strict protocols in place for both doctor and patient when initiating chronic opiate therapy (COT) for chronic non-cancer pain (CNCP). Nevermind the legally binding agreement

      The truth is that for many people, opiates are the only medicine that provides relief from excruciating pain. But opiates do not make the pain go away, it only reduces the pain to the point where the other tools you are given - relaxation techniques, breathing, exercise, guided imagery, etc. to have a chance to make positive contributions to your condition.

      Frankly, I'm not at all surprised that the community here at Slashdot would hold long-ago disproven ideas and stereotypes about opiate therapy. It doesn't bother me all that much - it is human nature to fear what we do not understand (take Linux for example). I won't try to change your opinion. But I am truly offended by the large percentage of medical professionals who are both willfully ignorant and tragically arrogant on this issue. And because these medical professionals have no desire to enlighten themselves, many people who are in constant pain will not recieve the relief they need.

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      them in the gallery of ignorance."

      ~Robert Green Ingersoll

  7. Which is why... by WillyWanker · · Score: 4, Informative

    I won't touch the stuff. My former dentist gave it to me for a toothache to last thru the weekend till I could be seen. Taking the recommended dose for 2 days and I was already hooked enough to experience withdrawal symptoms for the next 3 days. Unbelievable.

    On the next two occasions where I was offered the drug after surgery I said no, just give me ibuprofen. It's just not worth it.

    1. Re:Which is why... by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2

      I took Oxycontin for kidney stones after increased tolerance from taking opiates over the years for kidney stones. With pain like that, it never goes away, but it made it tolerable. Apparently, I am an exception to the rule, but once the kidney stones were out of me, I felt no compulsion to take anymore. No kidney stones since, and nothing stronger than ibuprofen. Perhaps it is because I haven't gotten "high" off of a pain killer in 20 years. Regardless the reason, it really isn't black or white.

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    2. Re:Which is why... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nope. The NSAIDs (ibuprofen, etc) ARE analgesics - they work directly on the pain pathways. They ALSO are (weak) anti inflammatories and inflammation often plays a part of pain.

      And it's also in your head (where else would it be?).

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  8. Patenting the active ingredient? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

    I don't know how hard is was to introduce that time-release element. However easy it is to defeat it, it might just be a bit harder to come up with than "xyz with rounded corners" or "abc, but on teh interwebz", thus worthy of a patent. And if they indeed patented their proprietary time-release coating rather than the idea of applying such a coating to this specific ingredient, it would seem trivial for other pharma companies to circumvent the patent.

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    1. Re:Patenting the active ingredient? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      If this was a computer thing, the company wouldn't have patented just their time-release system. They'd also have patented 'use of a time-release mechanism for delivery of drugs' to make sure someone else couldn't just invent an alternative.

      While the pharmacutical industry is certainly very patent-driven, they havn't yet reached the point of routinely using the over-broad patents now common in computing and consumer electronics.

  9. CBC The Fifth Estate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you live in Canada, CBC put out an excellent documentary about Perdue Pharma labs and oxydone marketing: http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2011-2012/timebomb/

  10. Re:I had Oxy after my Donor surgery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why in hell would you throw away a legal supply of opiate painkillers ? You put 'em in the back of the medicine cabinet, and take them with you on camping trips and such, so if a member of your party has a real problem (crushed limbs, deep lacerations, etc.) you have something for the pain on the way back out, or (worst case) waiting for a medevac.

  11. Breaking the addiction is easier than you think by trentfoley · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer almost one year ago (7 Oct 2011) and have taken my share of oxycontin/oxycodone. All during chemotherapy, and especially after my surgery, I was taking oxycontin for base pain management, along with oxycodone for 'breakthrough' pain. My tumors responded to chemo wonderfully so that I was a candidate for surgery to have my primary tumor removed, colon ressected, metastatic liver tumors ablated, etc. At this point, I was taking 100mg oxycontin per day and an additional 50mg of oxycodone for 'breakthrough' pain. The narcotic effects slow down one's digestive system so much that I was also taking a shitload of stool softeners... pun intended.

    By the time I finished my chemotherapy treatments (2 Jun 2012) I was thoroughly addicted to oxy. The only remaining pills I was taking were the pain meds and the stool softeners. I decided enough was enough and stopped taking oxycontin. It took a long week before I felt like myself again, escaping the cloudy buzz of oxy. Having gone through so much discomfort, I saw it as just another part of my recovery. Note: 'feeling like myself' is a relative term - after so much chemo, I wasn't myself anymore.

    Now, my cancer is back and I'm starting chemo again this Thursday (20 Sep 2012). Having firsthand knowledge of addiction, kicking a 30+ year smoking habit and an oxy addiction, I will most likely resume taking oxy and get addicted all over again. Why? Because it helped me before. It will help me again. One week of mild discomfort from withdrawal symptoms is nothing compared to the pain and discomfort of chemotherapy.

    1. Re:Breaking the addiction is easier than you think by waferbuster · · Score: 2

      Best wishes on your upcoming therapy, I hope it works for you.

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    2. Re:Breaking the addiction is easier than you think by trentfoley · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Cannabis, of course, is ALWAYS an option :)

    3. Re:Breaking the addiction is easier than you think by fafalone · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well it's nice that overcoming your addiction was so easy, but quite honestly 150mg a day is a very low dose. People with a permanent condition that take it for years, and serious abusers, 150mg might not even be enough to not feel withdrawal symptoms.
      When you take 10-20x that, every day, for years, it's not "part of recovery" and "not feeling like yourself" to stop. It's over a week of vomiting nothing but stomach acid and shitting clear jelly because you can't even keep down a cup of water for more than 10 minutes. when you're not laying in bed screaming, for cold turkey. Tapering from a very high dose is also very different than tapering from a low dose. You'll still feel shitty because you're not taking enough, only it will take 3 or more weeks to get down low enough to stop, and that kind of willpower is not easy.

      Mild discomfort my ass.

  12. Here's the problem by Stickerboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    15-20 years ago, doctors were written up and called out for not treating enough pain. As a profession, we understand intimately the inherent dangers of opioid pain medication, and we were hesitant to use them. But patients were hurting, articles were written, and I'm sure somewhere doctors were sued. So practices changed, "pain management" is now standard curriculum at medical schools and now look, deaths and hospitalizations from prescription pain medication are at all-time highs. Purdue was likely riding the wave of the change in pain management philosophy at the time when they introduced OxyContin. The right drug at the right time, etc.

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    1. Re:Here's the problem by tsotha · · Score: 3, Insightful

      15-20 years ago, doctors were written up and called out for not treating enough pain.

      As they should have been. You had people in the last few weeks of life being denied effective pain treatment because submitting too many of some particular government form might be a headache for the doctor. As far as I'm concerned when someone is near death they ought to be able to get whatever they want. So what if the patient is taking more than he needs for the pain. Are we really worried about addiction in someone who's going to be dead in a few weeks?

  13. What are the alternatives? by drwho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After being the victim of a serious accident, I was in an enormous amount of pain. Oxycodone was a real goddsend. Maybe it takes a soul-shattering amount of pain to really appreciate the value of this drug. Yes, there are lots of addicts - but far more people are addicted to nicotiene. These slams against 'big pharma' for the black market in this drug are counter-productive and quite maddening. Doctors are becoming afraid to prescribe painkillers because they'll be accused of being 'pill doctors', so many people who don't know they have to advocate for themselves in this situation have to suffer unnecessarily. Tip: if you get a prescription, get as many pills as you can. Save some for later, because you'll never know when the anti-drug lobby will cut off the supply.

    BTW this isn't news for nerds. Is this the new direction of Slashdot under new ownership? Rage-news in all categories, not just tech?

  14. DEA written summary by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And the Anti-Drug lobby writes another opinion piece that medicine should not be treating pain and pharma is out of control by providing new pain management options.

    The reason pain prescriptions have gone up is that medicine isn't telling people to take 2 asprin and fuck off. The reason my father has a fucked up GI system is because of the asprin abuse because he was never given the option of real pain management.

    As a chronic pain sufferer I wish every one of these fucktards that think no one should be on pain management could experience a month of what I do every day. The constant thoughts of suicide, the near complete lack of life, enjoyment or any satisfaction in life, the exhaustion and the constant work just getting out of bed every day. There is a reason there is an ex law enforcement organization devoted to campaigning proper pain management and it's because some of those lucky people get to experience real chronic pain.

    Someone that's never experienced chronic severe pain has no fucking idea what it's like.

  15. Re:I like the effort at sensationalism... by Hatta · · Score: 3, Informative

    oxycodone is different and acts through a different receptor

    No, oxycodone acts primarily through the mu opioid receptor just like morphine.

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  16. Nice concept by Fuzzums · · Score: 2

    So if you push your product to 1.000.000 people, you will get 1.000 very satisfied frequent returning customers.
    Close to 0,999% is still under 1%. I'm sure if it was closer to 0,5% they would have said something like 'about 0,5%'.

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  17. SO that by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    added something tat makes it time release, thus fixing some of the major issues.
    I am supposed to be outraged..why? Becasue something was out of patent, that made something new and patented it.

    Well, that's how it's supposed to work.

    Shit you should be applauding the successful and proper use of the patent system

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  18. Re:I like the effort at sensationalism... by fafalone · · Score: 3, Informative

    oxycodone is different and acts through a different receptor

    No it doesn't. It has different selectivity and binding affinity among the subtypes of opioid receptors, but acts through the same receptor as heroin (i.e. predominantly the mu-opioid receptor) and every other drug classified as a full agonist opioid.

  19. Re:Calling Dr. Bob! by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2

    It's "subluxation".

    Let's examine the word: sub means less than or beneath, lux is a measure of brightness, ~tion is a suffix indicating a state. Therefore "subluxation" means "to be less than bright" or, as most people would say, stupid. The word is perfect as is.

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  20. Chronic Pain. by couchslug · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is Chronic, so why not ACCEPT and MANAGE addiction?

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    1. Re:Chronic Pain. by Fjandr · · Score: 2

      From what I've read, the incidence of psychological addiction developing in people who take opiates for chronic pain is actually quite a lot lower than for those who take them for acute pain (post-op, injury, whatever). Unfortunately I cannot remember where I saw the reference to such studies, so anyone interested might wish to dig in that direction.

      Fortunately, cancer pain has so far been relatively insulated from the crackdowns in other areas. I know I'd be non-functional from pain without opiate-based pain management.

  21. You sound familar pigrabbitbear, by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2

    You sound just like my junky ex-girlfriend. First heroin, then "roxies" and "xanies' all self-prescribed for "anxiety". She also said drug companies were making drugs more addictive to get people hooked. She convienently overlooks the fact all her junky friends were never prescribed their drugs of choice. She loved to talk about how herion was better than oxycontin because it was more natural.

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  22. Cannabis cannot be PRESCRIBED... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 4, Informative

    because it is a Schedule I drug. Writing a prescription for a Schedule I drug would quickly bring the DEA down on the prescribing physician, most likely eliminating said doctor's ability to prescribe any other controlled drugs.

    It can, however be RECOMMENDED by a physician. The card you get in CA or other medical MJ states shows that your doctor thinks that cannabis might help your condition. It doesn't specify dosage, form, route of administration, or frequency of use like a standard prescription would.

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  23. Many names by zooblethorpe · · Score: 2

    Is it any wonder this gets confusing? Every drug has a minimum of three different names: The unpronounceable chemical name, the generic name, and the brand name.

    The names for that erectile dysfunction drug aren't all that bad:

    • Chemical name:
      1-[4-ethoxy-3-(6,7-dihydro-1-methyl- 7-oxo-3-propyl-1H-pyrazolo[4,3-d]pyrimidin-5-yl) phenylsulfonyl]-4-methylpiperazine
    • Brand name:
      Viagra
    • Generic name:
      Mycoxaphlopin

    ...

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  24. Thought experiment: by ldunn1958 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Many chronic pain sufferers will tell you that they had never imagined it was even possible to feel so much pain. They live in a universe of pain unknown to most of us. Try to imagine yourself in bed with pain shooting through your body that is so intense that you cannot move. It seems it could get no worse, but any effort to move doubles, triples the intensity. So there you lie weeping but not sobbing because that would hurt even more. Now imagine that you know for a fact that there is a pill you could take that would let you get out of bed and go to work. But you won't get it. Why? Because the DOJ does not trust you not to sell it on the street. How does that make you feel?

  25. Re:I had Oxy after my Donor surgery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't be ridiculous. You take them with you on camping trips because being high as a kite on painkillers is the only way camping is remotely enjoyable.

  26. Cheaper alternatives, like methadone by justthinkit · · Score: 2
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  27. DEA by WilyCoder · · Score: 2

    The fact that the DEA has any legal ability to interrupt the doctor patient relationship shows how messed up the drug laws are.

    Doctors need to prescribe opiates, they are the only drugs that can really manage chronic, debilitating pain. And then the DEA can swoop in and be like "drugs are bad mkay, enjoy your pain". That is so messed up.

    1. Re:DEA by lightknight · · Score: 2

      Indeed. I can remember the first time I tried oxycodone (wisdom teeth removed). Up until around that time, I was somewhat anti-drug -> purity of mind, all that jazz.

      I never realized that a drug like this existed, one which could treat my more powerful migraines. It was a bit like Neo realizing that he was in the Matrix -> everything I had been told were lies. Looking around in my heavenly mental state of mind, the first time in my life I felt some clarity, I realized that our society was built to not only cause suffering, but to reinforce it from all angles. Every exit blocked, the easily accessible medicines were placebos, the effective ones made illegal and restricted, salt in the wounds everywhere the light touched; and the truly hideous part was realizing that the enemy had been standing in our midst the entire time. So complete was the control, that escaping it is nearly impossible. The sheer number of people who go to work everyday, complaining of aches and pains, could easily be alleviated. Peace itself possible. And yet, fear tells people to avoid the very thing that could save them from a life of agony. Cigarettes and alcohol available everywhere, doing far worse things to the soul and mind, but the less dangerous stuff is hidden away. Speaking with my friends, I realized that they were not aware that their suffering could be alleviated, old wounds healed, a breathe of life for every man, woman, and child.

      These drugs do not cloud one's reasoning, they free it! And they are kept from it because some poorly documented psychology study somewhere says that slightly-depressed or slightly-suffering workers are a few percentage points more efficient. A lifetime of suffering, because someone wants an extra couch made that week! The nerve of these people. And what makes it worse, is that they knew! They knew the entire time! It was their own self-servings needs that they had put before the well-being of their friends and family! And as an insult to everything sacred and holy, they have the impetus to continue to peddle their bullsh*t, suggesting even now that pain is merely an illusion of the mind, so it is the belief that one is in pain that must be treated, not the sensory nerves that are transmitting bioelectric impulses to the brain! How much better the world would be if we could free ourselves of these charlatans, these wolves in sheep's clothing. I imagine that the Hippocratic Oath was just words to these people; or that perhaps they see their patients as less than human, less than deserving of sympathy or compassion. Their actions speak loudest to me, and I am ashamed, ashamed! that I once believed as they did. How could I ever make up for my transgressions, manufactured out of blind error? Having been misled, and righted myself, how can I ever be sure that I am not being led down similar paths of injustice, simply as a pleasure or convenience to others? An implicit agreement has been broken, Do No Harm, and it shan't ever be mended. The perpetrators of this travesty will, of course, remain free and at large, while the victims will continue to suffer.

      I can never look up to a doctor, ever again. When I gaze upon them now, I see a set of blind biases that have helped as many as have harmed. Whenever I see a psychologist or psychiatrist, I will see a man or woman with a notebook, quietly labeling and sorting every person their eyes touch, suffering from the bitter arrogance of believing they know more about a man's mind than they do, and calm in their recitation of committed lies. If every they lived in ancient Athens, they would not run the risk of admitting their lack of knowledge -> the words "I know only that I know nothing" would never part those dry lips.

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      I am John Hurt.
  28. Winners by Kupfernigk · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It is said that Murdoch tells his newspapers to support the political parties that look like winning, so that the can then frighten politicians by claiming to be an influence on elections, and get privileges like relaxed media control and access to senior Ministers. But I imagine that in the US, where advertising income is so important, it's more about appealing to the demographic that the advertisers regard as desirable - i.e. well off, sense of entitlement to material goods, and gullible.

    A direct marketer once told me that if he ever managed to get an accurate list of 500 rich, narcissistic and gullible individuals, he would never need to work hard for a living again.

    --
    From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
  29. the fault is heroin's legal status by DABANSHEE · · Score: 2

    Where heroin is prescribed legally, like Switzerland, virtually all it's so-called nasty side effects are negated.

    People prescribed it don't OD because quantity/quality consistencies are guaranteed. They don't catch things like HIV/HCV because IV equipment availability minimizes equipment sharing. The desire to rob or steal is minimized because prescription heroin doesn't cost much more to make than aspirin.

    Heroin is just a catalyst of morphine, that converts back to morphine in the body, & as such negative side-effects of long term use of prescription heroin are as minimal as they are for morphine, being simply a higher rate of dental cavities if one's dental hygiene isn't upgraded, due to DIDMS (drug induced dry mounth syndrome) like many other medications. Yes there are war veterans who have been on autonomous morphine pumps for over 40 years years (for things like shrapnel against the spin, etc) & that is their only negative side-effect. Even this side-effect can be negated through the regular use of a electric toothbrush & extra strong toothpaste like NF2K.

    BTW I know a number of people that were perpetual thieves/scammers/sex-workers till they got on prescription heroin & in very quick time became highly successful professionals in a number of different legitimate industries.

    I Also know many people that tried heroin & didn't like it & moved on, & also know people that don't have any problem using heroin infrequently enough to never get a habit (Simply no more than 2 days a week)

    It's not hard to tell the addicts from those that arn't. The fact is if a person does not have 1 of about 8 specif axis 1 mental disorders or 1 of about 12 personality disorders, the odds are they will never become a addict long term regardless of how much they experiment with drugs in their teens or their 20's. Mind you a large percentage of those that do have personality disorders are never diagnosed as, & thus arn't aware of their risk, are in denial, or are simply written off as junky scums. Adversely you could say that anyone that's over 30 that's still living a dysfunctional drug addict life style, odds on has a personality disorder &/or 1 of about 8 specific A1 mental disorders, whether they have been diagnosed or not. The classic junkie cliché of ripping off one's own grandmother is usually an indicator of a cluster B personality disorder. These facts outline the answers to the old questions of the difference between a heavy drinker & a alcoholic, or a recreational gambler & a compulsive gambler. Invariably the difference is that the alcoholic/compulsive gambler also has a personality disorder or a mental disorder.

    One could also define the 12 steps of AA/NA as a arguably functional lifestyle method for those that are on the wagon in regards their compulsions & have undiagnosed personality disorders or are in-denial in that regard (many addicts have many attitudes that have not matured from their days in high school, where to identify as having a mental problem was considered worse than to identify as a druggie).